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Not Screamo

Kaiju15Kaiju15 Registered User regular
edited March 2009 in Help / Advice Forum
My cousin just recently asked me for advice in finding good metal bands that aren't screamo (Lamb of God, Hatebreed, etc.) Can anyone point me in the right direction? So far, I've pointed her towards Metallica, Anthrax and Iron Maiden.

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
  • TopiaTopia Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Be careful labeling metal as screamo around real fans of good metal. Lamb of God, Hatebreed, and ect. are not screamo.

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  • I'd Fuck Chuck Lidell UpI'd Fuck Chuck Lidell Up Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    yeah there are huuuge differences between metal and screamo

    as far as good metal bands; i am a huge fan of viking metal so


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhptP8j-t-M&feature=related

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  • zhen_roguezhen_rogue Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Can't go wrong with Ministry.
    She might dig Pantera as well.
    Maybe even Skinny Puppy.

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  • McKidMcKid Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Go find the Hesher thread in D&D

    It's actually the Metal thread.

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  • SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Those bands aren't screamo, they scream a lot, but they don't cry/whine like in screamo.

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  • wasted pixelswasted pixels Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Geez, guys, I'm pretty sure he was citing Lamb of God and Hatebreed as "bands that aren't screamo".

    Because he said, "I want to find good metal bands that aren't screamo", then listed those two as examples.

    I mean, geez.

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  • ShimShamShimSham Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I was always of the understanding that screamo was a more metal version of emo music.

    And Hatebreed and Lamb of God certainly do not fall under that definition.

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  • wasted pixelswasted pixels Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    ShimSham wrote: »
    I was always of the understanding that screamo was a more metal version of emo music.

    And Hatebreed and Lamb of God certainly do not fall under that definition.

    No one (including the OP) said they did.

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  • ShimShamShimSham Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    The way I believe everyone else understood it is that he was asking for bands that weren't screamo, offered those examples and I think people read it as him saying those were examples of screamo/what he's not looking for.

    Because then he says the bands he's already mentioned, and neither Hatebreed or LoG are listed. If he considered HB and LoG to be bands he didn't consider screamo, then he likely would have already recommended those.

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  • wasted pixelswasted pixels Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I just think it's a little telling that three people responded to the thread by (mistakenly) bitching the guy out about genre definitions instead of providing him with recommendations.

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  • ShimShamShimSham Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    So why are you bitching at those people instead of trying to help?

    And it's hard to recommend anything when you don't fully understand what they're looking for, much less have the same definitions of genres.

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  • wasted pixelswasted pixels Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    ShimSham wrote: »
    So why are you bitching at those people instead of trying to help?

    Because I decided to PM the guy some recommendations -- I've learned from dozens of H/A music threads that you should never talk about bands you like on H/A.

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  • EskimoDaveEskimoDave Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Heres some bands I've heard recently that might fit your criteria;
    Elvenking
    Chrome Division


    I had more when I was scrolling down, but I broke my hand on the weekend and just got a cast put on it today, and it takes me a while to type with one hand. Not to mention frustrating.

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  • bentbent Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Kaiju15 wrote: »
    My cousin just recently asked me for advice in finding good metal bands that aren't screamo (Lamb of God, Hatebreed, etc.) Can anyone point me in the right direction? So far, I've pointed her towards Metallica, Anthrax and Iron Maiden.
    Blind Guardian
    Devin Townsend
    Finntroll
    Indricothere
    Mastodon
    Megadeth
    Opeth
    Pantera
    Rob Zombie
    Slayer
    Symphony X
    Tool

    Those are the more accessible things that I can think of, with any luck they're suitable. None of them with even a hint of screaming emos.

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  • I'd Fuck Chuck Lidell UpI'd Fuck Chuck Lidell Up Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    ShimSham wrote: »
    I was always of the understanding that screamo was a more metal version of emo music.

    And Hatebreed and Lamb of God certainly do not fall under that definition.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBKgDI9ptws&feature=related
    screamo

    i think the bands you're thinking of are metalcore, which is kind of like the gay younger brother of metal

    that being said

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3Vcoq-QRo4

    amazing metal band


    and if you're in the mood for something REALLY different... meet raggametal

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm_XILaLDr8
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsQhuxPsSjE

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I'm pretty sure he's just asking for metal bands that have actual singing rather than screaming

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  • DemerdarDemerdar Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    If you want to get into metal, you're going to have to get over screaming and grunting.

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  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Demerdar wrote: »
    If you want to get into metal, you're going to have to get over screaming and grunting.

    Not completely necessarily. It'll just narrow your options quite a bit.

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  • DemerdarDemerdar Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Darkewolfe wrote: »
    Demerdar wrote: »
    If you want to get into metal, you're going to have to get over screaming and grunting.

    Not completely necessarily. It'll just narrow your options quite a bit.

    You will end up missing out on a lot of great metal.

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  • wasted pixelswasted pixels Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Demerdar wrote: »
    Darkewolfe wrote: »
    Demerdar wrote: »
    If you want to get into metal, you're going to have to get over screaming and grunting.

    Not completely necessarily. It'll just narrow your options quite a bit.

    You will end up missing out on a lot of great metal.

    Avoiding screamo isn't really the same thing as avoiding screaming.

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  • Al_watAl_wat Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Look for a band called Death.

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  • BerserkisBerserkis Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Judas Priest
    Angel Witch
    Saxon
    Megadeth

    all wicked without grunts

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  • Post BluePost Blue Redmond, WARegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Have a two-hour discussion with her about asinine genre distinctions, correct her several times as she tries to follow your methodology, and effectively deflate her interest in the whole damn thing. :P

    Throw on The Great Southern Trendkill.

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  • ToefooToefoo Los Angeles, CARegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Hair/power metal:
    Blind Guardian
    Iced Earth
    Iron Maiden
    Dragonforce
    X-Japan
    Versailles

    Metalcore:
    Unearth
    All That Remains
    The Human Abstract (with tinges of classical)
    Shai Hulud (hardcore/punk with metal influence)

    Thrash/heavy:
    Metallica (obvious)
    Opeth (progressive metal, newer stuff has much more clean vocals and classical song structures)
    Mastodon
    Arsis
    At the Gates
    Children of Bodom (metal + keyboards)
    In Flames (Anything pre-2004)

    Doom/Gothenburg:
    Dark Tranquility
    Novembre
    Darkest Hour (skirts metalcore and gothenburg)
    Katatonia

    Extras worth checking out:
    Amon Amarth (great Viking metal...literally, metal about vikings)
    Between the Buried and Me (metalcore/hardcore/progressive with crazy time changes etc)
    Glass Casket (same style as above)

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  • CarcharodontosaurusCarcharodontosaurus Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Black Sabbath is excellent. Paranoid, Iron Man, and The Mob Rules are pretty much some of the most wonderful heavy metal songs ever performed.

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  • DjinnDjinn Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Some of my favorites from last year:

    Torche - Amnesian

    Earth - The Driver

    Boris - Message

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  • JeffHJeffH Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    screamo isn't bands like thursday and the used, but rather more like hot cross, circle takes the square, blood brothers, and jr ewing. It has been bastardized just like every other genre term.

    op, might want to look into the classics, maiden, priest, motorhead, megadeth, or maybe stoner metal like the sword and baroness. If you aren't a fan of screaming, it's probably pretty doubtful you'd be into stuff like amon amarth and necrophagist

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  • HonsouHonsou Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Hypocrisy

    Scrutinized

    The Final Chapter (Live)

    Eraser (Live)

    damn fine metal right there

    I strongly suggest you give growl/screaming a good try otherwise you really hamstring yourself

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  • SporkedSporked Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    This thread is totally adequate with the glaring exception of a recommendation of Acid Bath.


    So, yeah Acid Bath. It's good stuff.

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  • Kaiju15Kaiju15 Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Kaiju15 wrote: »
    My cousin just recently asked me for advice in finding good metal bands that aren't screamo (Lamb of God, Hatebreed, etc.) Can anyone point me in the right direction? So far, I've pointed her towards Metallica, Anthrax and Iron Maiden.

    Sorry about the the definition issue. The part in bold was practically a direct quote. I just figured someone here would know better than me. (Appears to be quite true)

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  • HeartlashHeartlash Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
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  • TavTav Irish Minister for DefenceRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Gutteral growls != screams. I can see how someone whose not a keen metal fan might not be able to make the distinction.

    Also, for the rest of you, metalcore is not screamo either.

    Screamo:

    If you're music doesn't sound like this, it's not screamo.

    Metalcore:

    Notice how the singer's voice doesn't sound like he's being raped with barbed wire.

    Uh, after that little rant.... Is your cousin against screams, metalcore vocals, growls (I don't think these need explaining :P) or grunts. Having a clearer idea of what he likes would help.

    In the meantime, he should check out the normal metal "gateway" bands like Metallica, Megadeth, Judas Priest, Death, Iron Maiden, Sepultura, Pantera, Mastodon and Opeth.

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited March 2009
    cross out the eyes is such a bad thusday song :(


    but my recommendation is Maylene & the Sons of Disaster

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  • Al PaccioliAl Paccioli Registered User new member
    edited March 2009
    If you want to impress someone just getting to know metal, I would recommend the more famous bands' most accessible and impressive albums.

    For traditional (Heavy/Power/NWOBHM/Speed):
    Motorhead's Bomber and Overkill - gritty, filthy, fun
    Venom's Welcome to Hell and Black Metal - see above, add satanic overtones
    Dio's Holy Diver and The Last in Line - the italian midget with the voice of a titan
    Rainbow's Stargazer and Long Live Rock n Roll - an old school assault with Dio's powerful vocals and Blackmore's masterful riffs
    Judas Priest's Screaming for Vengeance and Defenders of the Faith - these albums are the highlight of Priest's 80's period, with a full production and a more accessible 80's hard rock influence, Halford's wind pipes will ruin your shit.
    Flower Travellin Band's Satori - a more obscure rec to show that metal can be psychedelic and entrancing, not just fast and fun. This Japanese band takes a heavy influence from Sabbath but their sound is completely crazy and unique. You will be hooked from the second you here the first GAAAAA ! shout.

    For Doom:
    Everything Black Sabbath should be mandatory at least up to and including the Dio years.
    Sleep's Holy Mountain - an excellent album to familiarize with the kind of metal produced by a combination of Doom metal's slow pounding riffs and stoner rock's laid back foggy atmosphere.
    Trouble's Psalm 9 - Trouble shows how you can still make epic riffs even if your themes are anything but supportive of the esoteric. A classic.
    Pagan Altar's Volume 1 - this release will be the ultimate archaic experience, the riffage is almost spiritual.

    For Thrash:
    Don't ignore the other big two, early Megadeth and Slayer are a great stepping stone for more aggressive thrash.
    Overkill has probably become one of the hardest working bands in the entire metal scene, their first 5 albums (and debut EP) are all classic thrash with accessible melodies and clear production. Easily as epic as any other legendary band. Perhaps the best consecutive record out of any other metal band.
    Testament and Exodus also play thrash in the same style, clean and heavy. Their early releases should be checked out. I lose appeal for melodic/early thrash at this point, so I have no say in recommending specific albums here.

    Most of this is standard entry level stuff, so chances are you'll get good results. I could continue and add some Death/Black/Thrash recs if you're interested.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Nocturnal Rites - Never Again

    I swear I recommend this in ever Metal thread and never get a response. SOMEONE WILL LIKE THESE GUYS DAMN IT!

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  • TavTav Irish Minister for DefenceRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Power metal is, well, a not very good genre.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Bah! Most power metal is bad.... But Nocturnal Rites is consistently good in their music!

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  • HelloweenHelloween Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    urahonky wrote: »
    Bah! Most power metal is bad.... But Nocturnal Rites is consistently good in their music!

    I'm going by my namesake for this one. Good power metal:


    Helloween: Gamma Ray: Judas Priest (Not Power mind, but great Metal)
    Hope these can add to the growing list of suggestions.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Fuck. I've found some new CDs, thanks Helloween!

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