LOST - SEASON 5 FINALE TONIGHT - It will eat your soul

mxmarks

Lost is here, and it's pretty fuckawesome.

Next *new* episode: "Follow The Leader" airs 5/6/09 at 9PM
ABC Promo for "Follow The Leader":

Follow The Leader.

Use spoiler tags when discussing things from: "The Variable"

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ElJeffe

Here is your new Lost thread, courtesy of mxmarks, more or less.

Monsieur Marks, you may edit the OP as you see fit; just leave the spoiler rule intact.

Malkor

When I go crazy I plan on having a beard just like Jack's.

ZeroCow

To add to the thread and mark it as well, I think we'll find out about the polar bears this season. I won't spoil the title of the upcoming episodes, but one of them that mxmarks posted really made me think that we find out about da' bears.

:edit:

I think it'll be the episode with Hoth in the title.

I'm also really starting to hop on board of the idea that the island is Atlantis. I think the end of the show will be the producers coming on and laughing at America about how they get everyone to watch a sci-fi show.

BladeX

Malkor wrote: »

When I go crazy I plan on having a beard just like Jack's.

I too would like to join the plan of growing an epic JackBeard when I go crazy. Although I will have to start growing the beard now as I can can get away with shaving once a week...

Sir Carcass

OP needs more http://www.jackfaces.com

wiigirl wrote: »

I am wondering how Aaron will play a role in all of this.

Spoiler for speculation based on casting notes

It seems very likely we'll see teenage Aaron and SunJin at some point.

clsCorwin

So, next week is the clip show, right? I hate that.

clsCorwin

Oooh, that sounds intriguing.

Also, hooray for

more young Ben.

Sir Carcass

clsCorwin wrote: »

So, next week is the clip show, right? I hate that.

Actually, next week is a rerun of this week's episode. Clip show is April 22nd.

Tomanta

Speculation on how this season will end:

The season will end with Widmore and his force arriving at/on the island (at the very end of the last episode), marking the start of the "war" that he promised was coming.

MYTHOS20000

I don't believe anyone brought up the theory a few episodes back about the orginal recording that Rosseau's group came across upon arriving on the island being Hurley's voice? Here is a link to the recording:

http://www.sl-lost.com/2009/02/12/radio-transmission-hurley/

What do you think? The last couple numbers really do sound like him, and it makes sense now that we know the O6 ended up in '77. If it is Hurley, why would he have made that recording?

Sir Carcass

MYTHOS20000 wrote: »

I don't believe anyone brought up the theory a few episodes back about the orginal recording that Rosseau's group came across upon arriving on the island being Hurley's voice? Here is a link to the recording:

http://www.sl-lost.com/2009/02/12/radio-transmission-hurley/

What do you think? The last couple numbers really do sound like him, and it makes sense now that we know the O6 ended up in '77. If it is Hurley, why would he have made that recording?

That would be another delicious paradox.

Edit: That totally sounds like Hurley.

mxmarks

So I just refreshed D&D.

I was pretty convinced that future me had time travelled and started this thread, and I didnt remember starting it because I haven't yet.

Thanks very much Jeffe - I'll edit some pics and stuff in today!

Also, the recording sounds like MINKOWSKI to me...

clsCorwin

That totally sounds like Hurley.

Given Hurley's hatred/fear of the numbers, I'm especially curious to know what would prompt him to record that.

Sir Carcass

mxmarks wrote: »

Also, the recording sounds like MINKOWSKI to me...

Yeah, that's possible too. The more I listen to it, the more I go back and forth.

clsCorwin

I think the first half was kinda iffy, but the second half definitely sounded like Hurley. Ionno, we'll see

Sir Carcass

To me, 23 sounds like Hurley and 42 sounds like Minkowski.

Malkor

I'm sure Hurley will be tricked. That's one damn thing I'm sure of.

MYTHOS20000

Do we know of a time when Minkowski was on the island? From what I remember, he was headed to the island in the Zodiac but turned around when his partner started going nuts, and the nosebleeds started when they got back to the freighter.

DesertBox

So here's my own crazy theory on the possible Charlotte age discrepancy. Charlotte and her mom leave the island via the time wheel room and skip ahead a few years. When they got back to the mainland, they just adjusted her birth certificate ~5 years to reflect her current age. Ben obviously got the info from her birth certificate or else he would've known she was born on the island not in Essex.

Facts to support this theory

1) Charlotte was the one that told Locke to go down the well in episode 'This Place is Death.' Cos the Orchid wasn't built yet, but that well was

2) Dharma was training bears to turn the time wheel. That was what the cages were for. So they knew of the wheel

3) They obviously succeeded since Charlotte found polar bear skeleton in Tunisia in the episode she was introduced. I also don't think Dharma time-skipped/nose bled themselves to death since they were there until the Purge

4) Why the hell would Charlotte know to look in Tunisia of all places, if she didn't have some memory of being there before? Her mother wouldn't tell her. I also don't recall her being the least bit surprised that she found a polar bear skeleton in Tunisia

Huh? Anyone?

MYTHOS20000

Damn. That sounds good. Locke skipped ahead 3 years, so we know that it's possible. Well played!

Sir Carcass

The only problem I have is why would Charlotte's mother have access to the FDW?

DesertBox

The FDW (Frozen Donkey Wheel for those who would have to look it up like I did) is at the bottom of the well. Obviously, it would've been wise for Dharma to restrict access, but someone in Dharma had access to get the bears there.

That someone could've been Charlotte's mom.

MYTHOS20000

The more I think about it, though.... If that was indeed Charlotte that Dan saw, then in 1974 she looked at least 4 or 5 years old. For her to have foggy memories of the island due to being young, they would have had to leave in the next couple years or so. So for it to look about right that she was "born" in 1979, they would have had to time jump from roughly 1976 to 1985 or so. That seems like a pretty big jump. Not impossible, but a little weird.

Dalboz

Tomanta wrote: »

Speculation on how this season will end:

The season will end with Widmore and his force arriving at/on the island (at the very end of the last episode), marking the start of the "war" that he promised was coming.

Wait, is there only one more season, or two more? I can't remember now. That may make a difference.

BladeX

The next season (six) is the last one.

Tomanta

Dalboz wrote: »

Tomanta wrote: »

Speculation on how this season will end:

The season will end with Widmore and his force arriving at/on the island (at the very end of the last episode), marking the start of the "war" that he promised was coming.

Wait, is there only one more season, or two more? I can't remember now. That may make a difference.

One more.

DesertBox

MYTHOS20000 wrote: »

The more I think about it, though.... If that was indeed Charlotte that Dan saw, then in 1974 she looked at least 4 or 5 years old. For her to have foggy memories of the island due to being young, they would have had to leave in the next couple years or so. So for it to look about right that she was "born" in 1979, they would have had to time jump from roughly 1976 to 1985 or so. That seems like a pretty big jump. Not impossible, but a little weird.

When Ben pushed the time wheel he jumped forward 9 months or so. When Locke did it, it was 3 years. I don't think there's any standard for the time forward jump

mystikspyral

I know this is kind of old news, but...

When I watched The Life and of Jeremy Bentham I was amped afterwards. It felt like the re-birth of old school Lost.

MYTHOS20000

DesertBox wrote: »

MYTHOS20000 wrote: »

The more I think about it, though.... If that was indeed Charlotte that Dan saw, then in 1974 she looked at least 4 or 5 years old. For her to have foggy memories of the island due to being young, they would have had to leave in the next couple years or so. So for it to look about right that she was "born" in 1979, they would have had to time jump from roughly 1976 to 1985 or so. That seems like a pretty big jump. Not impossible, but a little weird.

When Ben pushed the time wheel he jumped forward 9 months or so. When Locke did it, it was 3 years. I don't think there's any standard for the time forward jump

I totally agree, and think your theory is awesome sauce, I just wanted to estimate the time jump.

mxmarks

I dont know about the bears being used to push the wheel. It seems kinda excessive.

On one hand, it was cold down there, so polar bears would be able to live down there, I guess. It didn't look very roomy, but I guess you could have one down there.

But I feel like that would just be a giant waste of everyone's time. Both Locke and Ben pushed the wheel with very little problem - Locke with a compound fracture. It was tiring, but they both did it just fine.

I love having ideas AS I'm typing - but I just realized something! I was about to say turning the wheel isn't something you'd want to be doing often, so they wouldn't need bears for that on call. But then I realized -- what if you want to turn the wheel to move the island in time, but you yourself don't want to leave? SEND A BEAR DOWN! Bear gets dropped in Tunisia, and you're fine.

I still don't really understand why POLAR BEARS were used - hell, when Locke was down there it wasn't even cold at that time. But I went from disagreeing to agreeing in the course of 2 paragraphs.

mxmarks

I was just thinking about how the O6 basically all came back because Locke told them they had to because bad, terrible, awful things happened and they wern't supposed to leave.

They finally came back, and Sawyer and Juliet are the happiest they've ever been, Miles seemed content, Jin is doing fine...

I don't think the island needed them back at all. I think Ben did.

DesertBox

When Ben went down it was all frozen over. But you're right, when Locke went it didn't seem as cold.

As for the polar bears being trained to turn the wheel, that isn't my theory. That one has been batted around since the finale last year. To the point that it's accepted as true by some people. I agree it seems like an impractical way to do it, but people on the Island don't seem too concerned with practicality. It could be automated (but you could say that about the Button. Let's not start that argument again)

deowolf

DesertBox wrote: »

MYTHOS20000 wrote: »

The more I think about it, though.... If that was indeed Charlotte that Dan saw, then in 1974 she looked at least 4 or 5 years old. For her to have foggy memories of the island due to being young, they would have had to leave in the next couple years or so. So for it to look about right that she was "born" in 1979, they would have had to time jump from roughly 1976 to 1985 or so. That seems like a pretty big jump. Not impossible, but a little weird.

When Ben pushed the time wheel he jumped forward 9 months or so. When Locke did it, it was 3 years. I don't think there's any standard for the time forward jump

Narnia time.

MYTHOS20000

DesertBox wrote: »

When Ben went down it was all frozen over. But you're right, when Locke went it didn't seem as cold.

As for the polar bears being trained to turn the wheel, that isn't my theory. That one has been batted around since the finale last year. To the point that it's accepted as true by some people. I agree it seems like an impractical way to do it, but people on the Island don't seem too concerned with practicality. It could be automated (but you could say that about the Button. Let's not start that argument again)

Well, I am guessing when DHARMA happened upon the wheel, they either had a person turn the wheel first and freaked out when that person disappeared (and then trained strong, cold-resistant animals to do it to study WTF happens when its turned), or it was so difficult to move due to lack of use they had to use an animal large enough to turn it (that is smart enough to train and take commands and resisant to cold).

Question is: if they knew that whatever turns the wheel disappears, why does it have to be a cold weather animal? Obviously the animal won't be down there for long...

Deadfall

Yeah, I just don't buy the polar bears being trained for the wheel theory at all.

How did they get the bears down there? That rickety little elevator thing? How were the bears pushing or pulling this wheel? It wasn't that big. Are the bears turning it with a harness? It didn't look like there was enough room for that. By standing up and literally pushing it? There was nothing in the bear cages from season 3 that would suggest they were being trained to turn a wheel of any kind.

I think the bears were brought over by Dharma just to "see if they could do it."

But then there was the polar bear skeleton in the desert. So, well, I could be totally wrong.

LineNoiz

Based on the polar bear in Tunisa, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say at least once, a polar bear turned the wheel. That may not have been the "intention" of bringing the polar bears in, but it did happen.

Perhaps this is the elusive "incident." Maybe Faraday sees this room, sees some smarty-pants polar bears that do tricks for fish biscuits and says to himself "I'll make a polar bear turn the wheel so we can all go Back to the Future!" Then boom, incident.

Fireflash

For some reason I didn't like the pregnant woman in this week's episode. Her acting felt weird to me. I think it's the faces she made sometimes.

BladeX

Fireflash wrote: »

For some reason I didn't like the pregnant woman in this week's episode. Her acting felt weird to me. I think it's the faces she made sometimes.

But.. But.. Michelle from 24!

Fireflash

BladeX wrote: »

Fireflash wrote: »

For some reason I didn't like the pregnant woman in this week's episode. Her acting felt weird to me. I think it's the faces she made sometimes.

But.. But.. Michelle from 24!

I've never seen a single episode of 24!

Deadfall

I couldn't believe Juliet fell for the "put in fake code, physically open up the code box, and slip in earplugs" bit.

Juliet, in season 3, was this cold, calculating woman who seemed pretty aware of what was going on. And she didn't see the lady actually open the box and hide something in her hand? Did the Others remove that little feature in the future?

Don't get me wrong, fantastic episode, but I just thought Juliet should have seen that coming a mile away.