Has anyone pointed out yet that Bob Averill is/was Rambozo? Because he is, and this is ten kinds of hilarious. My day is made.
Was Rambozo. I learned a thing or two from you Cat. Specifically that arguing like an asshole gets me nowhere, which (as I explained) I was so careful to be inoffensive when discussing spirituality with that girl.
Christ, this is going to go south quickly. I guess you should know that I have changed since then, which is probably why you haven't re-banned me. I was a contentious prick, I understand that, and I changed my attitude accordingly in order to better fit in here.
Well jesus, I've honestly been trying. My efforts not to offend the girl with whom I had the discussion were part of a new strategy on my part called "Not being a massive Dawkins-esque asshole".
Because you've always been kind and reasonable, and never wanted for a second chance with anyone. Am I right? It's been years, dude. I hope you haven't branded me for life.
Well jesus, I've honestly been trying. My efforts not to offend the girl with whom I had the discussion were part of a new strategy on my part called "Not being a massive Dawkins-esque asshole".
Because you've always been kind and reasonable, and never wanted for a second chance with anyone. Am I right?
I don't think you've been bad here. I honestly think that you don't understand how you come across, which is fixable.
I am similarly interested in the previous incidents since, due to my skepticism of announcements by schools, I wonder if they are actually severe/applicable to this situation or convenient items to trot out to justify their apparently unreasonable actions.
Well jesus, I've honestly been trying. My efforts not to offend the girl with whom I had the discussion were part of a new strategy on my part called "Not being a massive Dawkins-esque asshole".
Because you've always been kind and reasonable, and never wanted for a second chance with anyone. Am I right?
I don't think you've been bad here. I honestly think that you don't understand how you come across, which is fixable.
I am similarly interested in the previous incidents since, due to my skepticism of announcements by schools, I wonder if they are actually severe/applicable to this situation or convenient items to trot out to justify their apparently unreasonable actions.
I have difficulty imagining how you could ever possibly get "numerous" out of a topic like this, to the point that people make complaints. Are my worst fears true, is the level of discourse people are capable of alternately dealing with and responding to as low as my online Gen Eds have led me to believe?
All I can say for sure is that I was indeed intent on being gentle and inoffensive precisely because I had learned in the past that one gets more flies with honey than vinegar.
What exactly do the "flies" represent in this analogy? I mean, specifically about this situation with the leprechaun girl.
I don't think you've been bad here. I honestly think that you don't understand how you come across, which is fixable.
On these forums? Actually yes I have. Perhaps you're not familiar with the little outburst that got me banned the first time. Not one of my prouder moments.
I deserved the knife in the eye that Cat gave me and I only snuck back in because I missed the sense of community and general reasonability that I used to shit all over.
It's gonna be hard to buy for alot of people I offended before, but I learned alot from my ban.
I am similarly interested in the previous incidents since, due to my skepticism of announcements by schools, I wonder if they are actually severe/applicable to this situation or convenient items to trot out to justify their apparently unreasonable actions.
Actually the previous cases were unrelated to religion entirely. They involved me arguing over grades. It often didn't even matter because I was already passing, I've just never been able to let go when it comes to academic stuff. Most recently my portion of a group project, (the final assembled art book) was rejected because Kinkos had botched the page order and I hadn't thought to check. My fault? Sure, I should have given it more than a cursory look-over before handing it in. It was still worth haggling for a chance to redo the booklet, but in my desperation to improve my grade I apparently pissed off the professor.
So yeah, the "past incidents" had nothing to do with religious argument. I can see how people might assume that, though.
Because you've always been kind and reasonable, and never wanted for a second chance with anyone. Am I right? It's been years, dude. I hope you haven't branded me for life.
Nah, I've been bad, too. But c'mon, this is hilarious. And I'll bet you don't remember why you pissed me off. Hint: It's not religion. Hint 2: "I'm a devil's advocate!"
But seriously, that's hilarious. I hope you find a better school. Also, I've always enjoyed your stories; they were awesome.
I don't think you've been bad here. I honestly think that you don't understand how you come across, which is fixable.
On these forums? Actually yes I have. Perhaps you're not familiar with the little outburst that got me banned the first time. Not one of my prouder moments.
I deserved the knife in the eye that Cat gave me and I only snuck back in because I missed the sense of community and general reasonability that I used to shit all over.
It's gonna be hard to buy for alot of people I offended before, but I learned alot from my ban.
I am similarly interested in the previous incidents since, due to my skepticism of announcements by schools, I wonder if they are actually severe/applicable to this situation or convenient items to trot out to justify their apparently unreasonable actions.
Actually the previous cases were unrelated to religion entirely. They involved me arguing over grades. It often didn't even matter because I was already passing, I've just never been able to let go when it comes to academic stuff. Most recently my portion of a group project, (the final assembled art book) was rejected because Kinkos had botched the page order and I hadn't thought to check. My fault? Sure, I should have given it more than a cursory look-over before handing it in. It was still worth haggling for a chance to redo the booklet, but in my desperation to improve my grade I apparently pissed off the professor.
So yeah, the "past incidents" had nothing to do with religious argument. I can see how people might assume that, though.
I was only referring to the recent topics. I wasn't around earlier.
Anyway, thanks for the clarification on the previous incidents. My best guess is that you are more aggressive than you think you are and others are either intimidated by it or pissed off by apparent challenging of authority.
Maybe I'm more sympathetic than others because I tend to be this way myself. I just turned it off when I got to college because there was very little reward for a lot of risk. That doesn't help now, but oh well 8)
Nah, I've been bad, too. But c'mon, this is hilarious.
Well yeah, probably a bit easier to appreciate when you're not me. The reason I'm furstrated is that the juxtaposition of this current situation with my past behavior....well, it looks pretty fucking bad for me. I feel like that guy in the intro to every Matlock episode ever made: All hunched over a body with a bloody knife in-hand, stammering to the police "It's not what it looks like!"
And I'll bet you don't remember why you pissed me off. Hint: It's not religion. Hint 2: "I'm a devil's advocate!"
Man, don't ask me why I offended you. You were one of thousands that I shot my mouth off to. I was young, dumb, and the anonymity of the internet made it way too easy for small disagreements to escalate. All I can say is that whatever I did was probably retarded and I wouldn't do it again.
But seriously, that's hilarious. I hope you find a better school. Also, I've always enjoyed your stories; they were awesome.
Well thanks, one of the reasons I came back is that I wanted to start contributing such material again. I was, however, a bit apprehensive about outing myself as someone who was deservedly banned years prior.
I don't think you've been bad here. I honestly think that you don't understand how you come across, which is fixable.
On these forums? Actually yes I have. Perhaps you're not familiar with the little outburst that got me banned the first time. Not one of my prouder moments.
I deserved the knife in the eye that Cat gave me and I only snuck back in because I missed the sense of community and general reasonability that I used to shit all over.
It's gonna be hard to buy for alot of people I offended before, but I learned alot from my ban.
I know I was a dick. I'm attempting to redeem myself with better behavior and awesome stories.
Personally I dont think its OK to throw people out of school for engaging in debate about any issue, no matter how provocative or offensive it may be to the participants. If she had demanded he leave, and he had refused, then tried to leave, and he had follwed her still being rude about her beliefs then he could be disciplined for harasing her.
Not allowing any religious discussion in a school is absurd.
I know I was a dick. I'm attempting to redeem myself with better behavior and awesome stories.
Well, it probably means nothing to you coming from me, but although I'm one of the ones who argued the case that you had done something wrong, in the previous version of this thread, I will say that you've been very disciplined and restrained in your response to all the stuff that's been said about you in both that thread and this. That's a lot harder to do than many people realise, especially if you're naturally combative, so, yeah. As we say here in Oz, goodonya. Keep doing what you're doing, and people will get over whatever it was, way back when.
Nah, I've been bad, too. But c'mon, this is hilarious.
Well yeah, probably a bit easier to appreciate when you're not me. The reason I'm furstrated is that the juxtaposition of this current situation with my past behavior....well, it looks pretty fucking bad for me. I feel like that guy in the intro to every Matlock episode ever made: All hunched over a body with a bloody knife in-hand, stammering to the police "It's not what it looks like!"
And I'll bet you don't remember why you pissed me off. Hint: It's not religion. Hint 2: "I'm a devil's advocate!"
Man, don't ask me why I offended you. You were one of thousands that I shot my mouth off to. I was young, dumb, and the anonymity of the internet made it way too easy for small disagreements to escalate. All I can say is that whatever I did was probably retarded and I wouldn't do it again.
But seriously, that's hilarious. I hope you find a better school. Also, I've always enjoyed your stories; they were awesome.
Well thanks, one of the reasons I came back is that I wanted to start contributing such material again. I was, however, a bit apprehensive about outing myself as someone who was deservedly banned years prior.
heh, I remember PMing you while I was a mod trying to get you to chill out but somehow you saw that as a dueling glove slap.
Did I get in her face? Was I abusive or insulting? Did I yell at her, or even raise my voice? No. All that I did was run her through a few reasons why her "scientific explanation" of the supernatural didn't cut the mustard. I meant to correct her erroneous assumptions regarding quantum theory and ended up shattering her apparently delicate emotional equilibrium, something that I can assure you I regret for reasons unrelated to my expulsion. It was the conversational equivalent of accidentally stepping on a kitten.
Well, if you stomp around enough without giving a crap about where you're stepping, you're bound to run across a kitten or two eventually. Hence the reason most people don't. Or, to put it another way, to the atheist with a hammer everything looks like a nail.
Based on previous experiences, it increases the likelihood that he was kicked out for being a strident douche rather than an poor put-upon atheist from "probable" to "certain".
Based on previous experiences, it increases the likelihood that he was kicked out for being a strident douche rather than an poor put-upon atheist from "probable" to "certain".
I mean, the man has a manifesto.
It changes nothing for me. Though I never consciously made the comparison until now, I had already determined that Bandetta's douchosity was at least equivalent to rambozo's. I guess "certain," or a reasonable approximation thereof, was already in the cards for me.
Based on previous experiences, it increases the likelihood that he was kicked out for being a strident douche rather than an poor put-upon atheist from "probable" to "certain".
I mean, the man has a manifesto.
It changes nothing for me. Though I never consciously made the comparison until now, I had already determined that Bandetta's douchosity was at least equivalent to rambozo's. I guess "certain," or a reasonable approximation thereof, was already in the cards for me.
Bandetta: great douche, or greatest douche?
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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I like his stories. And if he sticks around without getting banned, maybe we can create a stickied "Rambozo and Loren High Five Each Other Forever" thread.
I know I was a dick. I'm attempting to redeem myself with better behavior and awesome stories.
Well, it probably means nothing to you coming from me, but although I'm one of the ones who argued the case that you had done something wrong, in the previous version of this thread, I will say that you've been very disciplined and restrained in your response to all the stuff that's been said about you in both that thread and this. That's a lot harder to do than many people realise, especially if you're naturally combative, so, yeah. As we say here in Oz, goodonya. Keep doing what you're doing, and people will get over whatever it was, way back when.
Well, if you stomp around enough without giving a crap about where you're stepping, you're bound to run across a kitten or two eventually. Hence the reason most people don't. Or, to put it another way, to the atheist with a hammer everything looks like a nail.
This is probably the most useful advice I've gotten out of this thread.
I like his stories. And if he sticks around without getting banned, maybe we can create a stickied "Rambozo and Loren High Five Each Other Forever" thread.
i'd heard so much about rambozo, but to be honest, i'm not all that impressed. no offense intended to bandetta/rambozo, but i have the wisdom to act radically different in person than i do on the internet.
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Mine is, too.
Oh, okay.
Well jesus, I've honestly been trying. My efforts not to offend the girl with whom I had the discussion were part of a new strategy on my part called "Not being a massive Dawkins-esque asshole".
If this isn't enough, I'd like to know.
Because you've always been kind and reasonable, and never wanted for a second chance with anyone. Am I right? It's been years, dude. I hope you haven't branded me for life.
I don't think you've been bad here. I honestly think that you don't understand how you come across, which is fixable.
I am similarly interested in the previous incidents since, due to my skepticism of announcements by schools, I wonder if they are actually severe/applicable to this situation or convenient items to trot out to justify their apparently unreasonable actions.
What exactly do the "flies" represent in this analogy? I mean, specifically about this situation with the leprechaun girl.
On these forums? Actually yes I have. Perhaps you're not familiar with the little outburst that got me banned the first time. Not one of my prouder moments.
I deserved the knife in the eye that Cat gave me and I only snuck back in because I missed the sense of community and general reasonability that I used to shit all over.
It's gonna be hard to buy for alot of people I offended before, but I learned alot from my ban.
Actually the previous cases were unrelated to religion entirely. They involved me arguing over grades. It often didn't even matter because I was already passing, I've just never been able to let go when it comes to academic stuff. Most recently my portion of a group project, (the final assembled art book) was rejected because Kinkos had botched the page order and I hadn't thought to check. My fault? Sure, I should have given it more than a cursory look-over before handing it in. It was still worth haggling for a chance to redo the booklet, but in my desperation to improve my grade I apparently pissed off the professor.
So yeah, the "past incidents" had nothing to do with religious argument. I can see how people might assume that, though.
But seriously, that's hilarious. I hope you find a better school. Also, I've always enjoyed your stories; they were awesome.
I was only referring to the recent topics. I wasn't around earlier.
Anyway, thanks for the clarification on the previous incidents. My best guess is that you are more aggressive than you think you are and others are either intimidated by it or pissed off by apparent challenging of authority.
Maybe I'm more sympathetic than others because I tend to be this way myself. I just turned it off when I got to college because there was very little reward for a lot of risk. That doesn't help now, but oh well 8)
Well yeah, probably a bit easier to appreciate when you're not me. The reason I'm furstrated is that the juxtaposition of this current situation with my past behavior....well, it looks pretty fucking bad for me. I feel like that guy in the intro to every Matlock episode ever made: All hunched over a body with a bloody knife in-hand, stammering to the police "It's not what it looks like!"
Man, don't ask me why I offended you. You were one of thousands that I shot my mouth off to. I was young, dumb, and the anonymity of the internet made it way too easy for small disagreements to escalate. All I can say is that whatever I did was probably retarded and I wouldn't do it again.
Well thanks, one of the reasons I came back is that I wanted to start contributing such material again. I was, however, a bit apprehensive about outing myself as someone who was deservedly banned years prior.
I just don't know if they'd go over well, considering what people seem to think of me lately.
[edit] Here, let's see how it goes.
Oh snap!
See:
I know I was a dick. I'm attempting to redeem myself with better behavior and awesome stories.
Not allowing any religious discussion in a school is absurd.
expelled? wow.
Well, it probably means nothing to you coming from me, but although I'm one of the ones who argued the case that you had done something wrong, in the previous version of this thread, I will say that you've been very disciplined and restrained in your response to all the stuff that's been said about you in both that thread and this. That's a lot harder to do than many people realise, especially if you're naturally combative, so, yeah. As we say here in Oz, goodonya.
That's a great story, which I expected, having read the old ones a few months ago. Keep it up.
All is forgiven.
Indeed. My day has been made as well, and it's not even lunch yet. This sure does suck, rambozo, but goddamn is it funny.
You reap what you sow, I suppose.
Its funny how you give your own good advice;
Well, if you stomp around enough without giving a crap about where you're stepping, you're bound to run across a kitten or two eventually. Hence the reason most people don't. Or, to put it another way, to the atheist with a hammer everything looks like a nail.
But this changes nothing.
Based on previous experiences, it increases the likelihood that he was kicked out for being a strident douche rather than an poor put-upon atheist from "probable" to "certain".
I mean, the man has a manifesto.
Bandetta: great douche, or greatest douche?
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Well hey, thanks. I'm doing my best.
I still have the puppet. Depending on offers, it may end up on EBay.
This is probably the most useful advice I've gotten out of this thread.
i'd heard so much about rambozo, but to be honest, i'm not all that impressed. no offense intended to bandetta/rambozo, but i have the wisdom to act radically different in person than i do on the internet.
the stories are niftysauce, though.
and jesus, getting banned? wtf happened?