I'm interested in Arcane more for PvP now, to be honest, since it's nice being able to pop mobs for 3k+ with Arcane Blasts and all, but I lose soo much of my Frost utility. Plus I don't get my little elemental buddy!
I think I'll try Fire next, just to see how that feels. Seems like crazy AoE potential, and AoE is most of what I do in mid-60's 5-mans.
So I got tired of just being an obscenely-high-crit-rate glass cannon as Arcane, a serviceable cannon-on-bosses-but-mana-starved-everywhere-else as Fire, and now I'm back in my comfort zone as 0/0/57 Frost. I just got Ice Lance, and it's not as exciting as I'd envisioned -- sure, it's probably going to replace Fire Blast as the thing I use when Frostbite procs on non-bosses, but the YouTube videos made it seem like I could get several fatty crits in a row, and I'm only seeing one before Nova breaks.
Did they nerf it at some point? I didn't pay attention to magii before, but I do remember something about it being nerfed.
There's some dumb luck involved in whether or not it breaks, and any videos you've seen possibly include the Frost Nova glyph (I don't know if anyone uses this).
There's some dumb luck involved in whether or not it breaks, and any videos you've seen possibly include the Frost Nova glyph (I don't know if anyone uses this).
It doesn't seem better than my Glyph of Eternal Water or Glyph of Mage Armor, so eh.
Wand skill levels up really fast, yeah. Up until about 10 points below cap you'll skill up pretty much once per shot. It's only the last few points that take a fair amount of shots per point. Of course it's still stupid to have to do that, and it's nice that it'll be going away in Cataclysm.
I just started playing WoW again after like a year break and started on a whole new server. I'm making a horde mage and leveling as frost. All of the leveling builds I've seen are from BC and the talent tree has changed since then.
I have 5/5 improved frostbolt and I'm not really sure what to get next. Any tips or a link to a mage website?
I just started playing WoW again after like a year break and started on a whole new server. I'm making a horde mage and leveling as frost. All of the leveling builds I've seen are from BC and the talent tree has changed since then.
I have 5/5 improved frostbolt and I'm not really sure what to get next. Any tips or a link to a mage website?
The frost leveling guide on the mage forums has worked just fine for me so far. Level 70 today. Granted, I don't top the dps charts all the time on the boss, but most trash is just me tossing up blizzard and making a sandwich.
The frost leveling guide on the mage forums has worked just fine for me so far. Level 70 today. Granted, I don't top the dps charts all the time on the boss, but most trash is just me tossing up blizzard and making a sandwich.
How not? I consistently do at least 1k; 1500 was my highest, I think. Switching from Mage Armor to Molten for the fight + 40 seconds of Icy Veins + Double Deep Freeze (wait for Fingers of Frost to proc, hit a Deep Freeze crit, then immediately Cold Snap and hope FoF procs again) is great for bosses.
For trash, I make sure at the beginning of every pull to Nova + Cone of Cold for an almost guaranteed crit on most of the mobs (my CoC's crit for ~2k with only 2/3 Imp. CoC), then switch to Blizzard spam. If the pull lasts long enough for CoC to come back up, that's another big burst of damage.
That's what bosses boil down to; the only times I'm not is when Brainfreeze procs (which really only means using a GCD at the end of your FB cast to add in a Fireball, then start winding up another FB) or when FoF does.
You know I've been wondering why I see asshole mages frost nova'ing in 5 mans again. Most of them don't even realize what is going to happen when they frost nova melee mobs right next to themselves or the healer.
It doesn't matter if the tank isn't doing his job, rooted mobs will ALWAYS attack the closest target, regardless of who has aggro.
Right. But if you pull off a mob and the tank isn't paying attention or what have you would you rather take zero/one hit and have some breathing room or take 5 or 6 and crumple over? It's not rocket science. Sure, Ice block would probably be the better option but that doesn't give you any options for healing yourself or if worst comes to worst, going invisible and getting the hell out of there.
I didn't think we were talking about nova when they pull aggro. I thought we were talking about dickheaded mages using nova every pull for no damn reason.
The complaining tank specifically mentions what will happen to them/the healer when they nova next to them.
If the healer and mage are constantly in traffic well then, they deserve whatever they get. But that's not likely, so this would probably only happen during some sort of aggro pull.
I wait for the mobs to all get over to the tank, then I Nova; no sense in Nova'ing a moving pack of mobs so they're all dispersed when I go to hit 'em with my Cone of Hurt.
Ran into a nova happy mage while tanking Blackfathom the other day. He'd just run in and nova all the mobs that were wailing on me. Couldn't figure out why he was doing it, but didn't bother me too much.
I didn't think we were talking about nova when they pull aggro. I thought we were talking about dickheaded mages using nova every pull for no damn reason.
You are correct. I'm talking about mages who run up to the AoE pulls and frost nova them, often times when one of the mobs is further than melee range from the tank. Rarely have I seen a mage who actually knows how frost nova works. I'm sure they just want to do it to make cone of cold crit as was mentioned before, never mind the fact they would've probably done more damage by just casting blizzard instead of running up and wasting the GCDs to cast frost nova and CoC.
A Nova + CoC combo is about 2-3 Blizzard ticks' worth of damage; more once you fill out the CoC talent. Besides, everyone knows you don't run into the pack of mobs -- you Blink. :P
Meh, I'm sure it's fun and all, but you still have to blink/run in, use a GCD on a frost nova, hit your CoC, then fire up blizzard and wait for it to start ticking. In my groups the stuff will be dead before you ever get any good damage going, and you'd pretty much be guaranteed to be better off just casting blizzard.
I didn't think we were talking about nova when they pull aggro. I thought we were talking about dickheaded mages using nova every pull for no damn reason.
You are correct. I'm talking about mages who run up to the AoE pulls and frost nova them, often times when one of the mobs is further than melee range from the tank. Rarely have I seen a mage who actually knows how frost nova works. I'm sure they just want to do it to make cone of cold crit as was mentioned before, never mind the fact they would've probably done more damage by just casting blizzard instead of running up and wasting the GCDs to cast frost nova and CoC.
Where are you seeing frost spec mages? Because I never see any.
I wouldn't call it frequent, but I get them in random heroics. I just assumed since they made the spec less than awful for 5 mans and stuff people were having fun with it again, and that's when I noticed people casting frost nova. I was like wtf are these mages doing, lol.
The last time I used FN on my mage was during the Brann event in HoS.
The last time I saw FN used on another mage was during the Tunnel event in PoS. He was ahead of the healer, and the tank had control over all but maybe one or two of the little skeletons. Guess what happened to the healer?
I wish players had the ability to use interrupts in their own party members, so when a mage did some shit like that I could start locking him out of his frost school as often as possible. :P
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I think I'll try Fire next, just to see how that feels. Seems like crazy AoE potential, and AoE is most of what I do in mid-60's 5-mans.
EDIT: For PvP, not PvE.
Firestarter is like the greatest talent ever.
Embarassing misquote fix'd.
Did they nerf it at some point? I didn't pay attention to magii before, but I do remember something about it being nerfed.
but in reality just go back to arcane pew pew
It doesn't seem better than my Glyph of Eternal Water or Glyph of Mage Armor, so eh.
*like, you might use it once or twice in a full night of instances
I dunno, I might use it on mobs that aren't stun-immune when FoF procs.
EDIT: It also has a niche in being nice to spam on Deep Freeze'd targets. :P
Very useful for blood princes, if you're on orb duty.
But then again, so is a wand...
I have 5/5 improved frostbolt and I'm not really sure what to get next. Any tips or a link to a mage website?
here you go, up to level 50
http://www.wowhead.com/talent#oZZqcccofu0fdGbo
from there, get deep freeze
then you can put more and more points into frost or start branching to arcane
How not? I consistently do at least 1k; 1500 was my highest, I think. Switching from Mage Armor to Molten for the fight + 40 seconds of Icy Veins + Double Deep Freeze (wait for Fingers of Frost to proc, hit a Deep Freeze crit, then immediately Cold Snap and hope FoF procs again) is great for bosses.
For trash, I make sure at the beginning of every pull to Nova + Cone of Cold for an almost guaranteed crit on most of the mobs (my CoC's crit for ~2k with only 2/3 Imp. CoC), then switch to Blizzard spam. If the pull lasts long enough for CoC to come back up, that's another big burst of damage.
Frost is amazing for every part of instancing. :P
what you should be doing is just spamming frostbolt
over and over again
1. It's an instant cast and they fat fingered it.
2. The tank is stoned and not doing his job.
3. The healer is stoned and not doing his job.
4. The mage is stoned and not doing his job.
5. They'd rather take one hit then ten.
6. To proc something.
Right. But if you pull off a mob and the tank isn't paying attention or what have you would you rather take zero/one hit and have some breathing room or take 5 or 6 and crumple over? It's not rocket science. Sure, Ice block would probably be the better option but that doesn't give you any options for healing yourself or if worst comes to worst, going invisible and getting the hell out of there.
If the healer and mage are constantly in traffic well then, they deserve whatever they get. But that's not likely, so this would probably only happen during some sort of aggro pull.
I wait for the mobs to all get over to the tank, then I Nova; no sense in Nova'ing a moving pack of mobs so they're all dispersed when I go to hit 'em with my Cone of Hurt.
You are correct. I'm talking about mages who run up to the AoE pulls and frost nova them, often times when one of the mobs is further than melee range from the tank. Rarely have I seen a mage who actually knows how frost nova works. I'm sure they just want to do it to make cone of cold crit as was mentioned before, never mind the fact they would've probably done more damage by just casting blizzard instead of running up and wasting the GCDs to cast frost nova and CoC.
But yes, it's just me taking the opportunity to put up lolcrits.
The last time I saw FN used on another mage was during the Tunnel event in PoS. He was ahead of the healer, and the tank had control over all but maybe one or two of the little skeletons. Guess what happened to the healer?