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Peace on earth, Goodwill toward men.... or neither you know, whatever works for ya.
The gentleman citing the peace sign as anti-Christ also fired the five member board of the homeowners association when they refused to take action against those dang dirty hippies.
Honestly now, if I live in a community with a homeowners association I must toe the line with the politics of whomevers in charge of it.
While I could never see this going down over something like a Star of David I really can't think of a more neutral symbol of goodwill. I used to see them all over town around Xmas when I was a kid.
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Pagosa Springs -- A homeowners group says it will fine a resident $25 a day until she removes a Christmas wreath with a peace sign that has offended some other residents as an anti-Iraq war protest or a symbol of Satan, said Bob Kearns, president of the Loma Linda Homeowners Association in Pagosa Springs. Lisa Jensen said she's not taking it down until after Christmas."
Bob Kearns:
"The peace sign has a lot of negativity associated with it. It's also an anti-Christ sign. That's how it started."
Changes in Colorado law in 2005 prevent homeowners' associations from prohibiting a number of actions, including display of the American flag, display of a service flag and display of a political sign meant to influence an election.
However, the law does not keep these associations from prohibiting other types of displays. The sign restrictions quoted to Jensen were in force during her presidency.
Peace on earth, Goodwill toward men.... or neither you know, whatever works for ya.
The gentleman citing the peace sign as anti-Christ also fired the five member board of the homeowners association when they refused to take action against those dang dirty hippies.
Honestly now, if I live in a community with a homeowners association I must toe the line with the politics of whomevers in charge of it.
While I could never see this going down over something like a Star of David I really can't think of a more neutral symbol of goodwill. I used to see them all over town around Xmas when I was a kid.
Yes,... yes, I agree. It's totally unfair that sober you gets into trouble for things that drunk you did.
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Edit: Dammit, ALock!
Well, yes and no. It depends on the neighborhood and the state where you live. For one the state may have laws that will supercede that of the NA or other loopholes you can exploit if you really want to get away with shit. For two, there are plenty of NA's that don't get enforced. The neighborhood where I grew up technically had one but nobody gave a damn about what you did.
It would be a lot nicer if there were more of the unenforced/not existing NA's than ones that actually exercise their authoritah, but there's not all that much you can do about 'em.
If they ever try to fuck with me, I will do all I can to bury them under actual law.
Oh my god! they actually assign sinister meaning to THE VULCAN LIVE LONG AND PROSPER SIGN
You do realize that the government has done this to an extremely large degree already, right?
And the peace sign is an inverted cross. It was used by hairless Illuminati to crucify a pacifist in the era of Atlantis. Don't any of you guys read?
NA's are legally binding.
Yeah, I had a condo association give me shit once when I was renting a place and had a satellite dish out front. I told them to direct their complaints to the FCC, who would be happy to advise them of the federal fines and criminal charges they'd face if they decided to push the matter. Surprisingly enough, that was the last time I heard from them.
I'd never heard of it either, but if people can read Satanic intent into Mr. Spock, then I guess they have a deep and abiding need to feel persecuted.
Actual laws supercede private contracts.
I wish I could do that.
Who gave these people power to make rules and charge fines anyway?
Really.
What?
Home owner's associations are so stupid.
There is a possible question of the legality, regardless of the legal weight of the agreement. I'm (fairly) sure you can't sign away certain rights, regardless of any contract you sign, especially if its unclear at the signing that this is happening. Specifically, I'm thinking about how an employment contract can't supercede a worker's right to a safe work environment and so on.
So, there COULD be a case to be made that the NA is violating laws with a higher authority, in this case the right to freedom of speech, and doing so is actually acting against its stated purpose, maintaining property values.
Yeah, but the law has to conflict with the contract in order to take over. Your dish is one case, and I'm sure there are plenty of others, but I don't see how it would apply to a lot of shit that NA's pull that is annoying and stupid, but you would have to do it. Painting your house a non-beige color, for instance, isn't likely to be a protected action in the state house or Congress.
Themselves. Yeah, they're that fucked up.
Not really. At some point the owner of a parcel of land opted into the home owners association. The deed was then altered to give the HOA some legal standing. Whoever bought the house from the first person inherited the legal obligations outlined in the deed.
In principle, they seem to be a good idea to confront actual problems that exist. For example, there was a guy renting to some people who (as it turned out) sold drugs in my old neighborhood. The HA used a significant amount of leverage to convince him to kick them out. But then the HA did other retarded stuff like tell people which color shingles were okay for their house, and has on more than one occasion put a halt to building due to this type of rule.
When there aren't problems, the HA administration has nothing to do. So they make some up.
Generally said HOA's rules would be made up of elected homeowners from the devlopment
Can't the deed be altered again?
No, but all you'd need is something open enough to interpretation to sue the members of the board or their boss directly. They usually aren't well-funded enough to provide legal beagles for members who are sued directly, and most of them are too busy waving their dicks around to cover their asses, seeing as most people aren't going to sue for discrimination or harassment or whatever state law allows over $15 a day or $25 a day or whatever. If you're an asshole with a law degree, I imagine you could probably make them find other things to do pretty damn quick just by starting up a few slapsuits.
Because you agreed to give them the authority over you when you bought the house. Shinto went into it better, but neighborhood associations get their legal authority from the neighborhood itself and your contract. I was mainly talking about the assholes on the committee or whatever who make rules up and then choose to enforce them.
I don't know, though. She should probably call the ACLU.
Most "Satanic" symbols are just leftover, adapted pagan symbols. It's a lot easier to burn a "Satanist" at the stake than some innocent druid nature-lover.
Honestly Satanists are just Christians cheering for the other side. They pretty much follow the same history and teachings of the Christian faiths, just inverted.
If you're going to persecute someone for something, do it directly. Obviously the woman putting a peace sign and a wreath on her door is not worshiping the devil, as most people haven't related those symbols to an evil meaning since the dark ages. They should have just said "We don't like that you don't conform to our extremely Christian, Conservative and reactionary society so we're going to fine you for being different."
It'd make the lawsuit so much less of a headache.
Thankfully my house isn't located in an area affected by a homeowner's association, but most (all?) new homes built here in Phoenix have them. How are people not seeing the problem here? Paying some psychotic organization to micro-manage everything about the exterior of your home and giving them a ridiculous amount of power in the process? Why? Was having someone's '64 Impala rusting in their carport really that much of an eyesore?
I hope to god these things get shut down countrywide.
I don't know. It seems like it should be able to be altered, but property law can be a little weird.
Most the "satanic" influences were invented in recent years. The Pentagram for instance was used very often by Christians in the middle ages. Sir Gawain, the most pious knight in the king Arthur stories, even used it as his coat of arms. it was a pagan symbol but one that was already adopted into a Chistian mindset
Bi-partisian issue.
The Homeowner's Asscoations must be destroyed.
Yes, but the Homeowners association owns those rights layed out in the deed, so you would have to get their consent.
Imagine this. I sell you a house, but retain the right to use the garrage for whatever legal purpose I want. If you sell the house, you cant sell my rights to use the garrage for whatever purpose I want because I own those rights and you dont. So if you sell the house to Yar, then Yar cant stop me from using the garrage for whatever purpose I want. I could also sell you a house and stipulate in the deed that you could not tear down the garrage. In that you owned all the rights except the right to tear down the garrage. If you did tear down the garrage, i would have the right to place a lean on your property[I.E. you would owe me money backed by the property]
The exact same thing happens for homeowners associations, the HA is a legal entity that owns specific useage rights[these are rights dealing with using/doing something or rights dealing with not allowing the owner to use/do something] in all or many of the properties of which it operates.
Depending on the wording of the deed this can grant extraordinary powers to the HA.
So you would have to buy the rights back from the HA, rights that might not be for sale.