Thaddius was insanely easy. Much easier than Gluth or Grobbulus. We oneshotted him even though both tanks missed the jump.
Hardest fight for my guild has been Anubarak... laugh it up I know we're pathetic but we would wipe 4 times before killing him every time. That was just being stupid though... hardest fight so far has been Gluth... we barely escaped with the skin of our teeth but that fight can be a bitch.
Funny thing is the two bosses we have never wiped on are both tier 7 bosses (Loatheb and Thaddius).
Anub'rekan can be a really frustrating fight for entry Naxx guilds. If your tank can't outrun the locust swarm, many healers struggle to heal through that damage. Its much easier if you have a tank with Tuskarr's Vitality to boots (or unholy aura). The speed boost can mean the difference between no damage from the swarm and totally fucked by the swarm.
We actually switched tactics and havent wiped since... I dont run the half circle anymore I just stay put with my back to the door where the crypt fiends come out. The problem with our guild wasnt healing me through the damage but when I moved the healers had to reposition and they would get silence for 2-3 seconds before they figured it out and by then it was WOMP dead tank. By staying put I eat all of the damage but my healers have huge balls so healing through it is no problem.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited March 2009
4H is a switch fight. Either your backfield doesn't screw up and everyone dies, or it screws up and everyone dies. I call that a 'difficult fight' for idiot guilds and PUGs because it literally takes one person to wipe that encounter.
KT requires people to CC Mind Controlled People quickly before they destroy the clothies. It also requires at least two competent people to interrupt KT's spellcasting. And then there is "If you healing is slow/sucky/lags, your melee dies," and "If your melee isn't looking at the group the entire time, they die."
I would consider myself an excellent player at this bloody game. I died to a void zone near the end of each KT attempt with the PuG raid because I looked down at a cooldown, and when I looked up it was too late.
Part of my problem was that I would be backstepping instead of stepping to the side, and the other part was that I was under a slowing effect during two of those deaths. But neither is a valid excuse, I had plenty of time. It's just when the DPS on that fight isn't quick enough, you get a lot more room for stupid error.
I would say that KT is the hardest 25 man fight, and I use the term 'hardest' here only comparative to the rest of the instance. Heigan also destroys PuGs and stupid guilds. But I would put Thaddius at number 2 behind KT. Your idiots will die within 30 seconds of that fight, and unlike heigan, you can't complete the fight without enough bodies. The worst part about it is that an idiot doing 900dps still needs to be alive because he's boosting the DPS of 10 other people.
And on that note, here's a happy:
The new raid designs of WotLK.
I was thinking about the designs of the majority of the bosses in vanilla and I realized that almost none of them had any sort of real challenge. They just had stupid enrages or gear checks or both. Look at 4horsemen, considered the pinnacle of difficulty by many guilds. The fight was only hard because you had to output a ridiculous amount of DPS while executing the strategy. It was fine-tuned to the second on raid DPS. The strategy was probably learned by most every guild at that level in a night. You would just spend weeks, months, perfecting it to a T so that nobody died and every did max DPS while on the run.
It's the one frustrating thing about Sarth3d on 10 man to me. If they adjusted the timers on 10 man so the drakes were slightly further apart or if the portals took slightly longer to spawn, then the fight would be tuned for 10 man gear.
And lastly, hope: They put in the 10-man Yogg-Saron hard-mode achievement that requires you to use gear received in Ulduar10 (or at least at the same ilvl of said gear)
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Yeah my guild is notoriously terrible at Heigan. We 3 manned it two weeks in a row. (I was one of those 3 both times, same thing with our main healer. The DPS changed. We're considering creating an exclusive club of those in the guild who have 3 manned Heigan lol)
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One time it came down to me (the tank), and my friend (the healer). We decided to just wipe it, not that we were going to die but we didn't have the will to take the 45m to finish that fight.
Hope: my guild might actually be able to do Ulduar effectively. As a 10 man guild expanded to a 25, I generally trust none but 1 or 2 of our many new recruits, but we 1 shotted KT last week, and killed Maly on attempt 3. Thats not bad at all.
Heigan is notorious for having a guild 3 man him for 2-3 raid resets before stupid people finally "get it" so they don't sit there and wait 15 minutes for their loot.
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I died the first time on Heigan due to terrible explanation of the safe spots. (porkchop, wineglass, whatever whatever) Then someone was like, look at the stage and divide it like this. Then it was the easiest boss fight there is.
"Go stand where you just saw green goo fly a second ago" generally works too.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited March 2009
The frustating thing about heigan deaths on 10 man is that you have to be hit by the waves twice to die if you are at full health.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
Hilarious: The leader of the stupid naxx25 pug said "I think patchwerk is the hardest fight of the instance."
Buhwu
If you don't meet the gearcheck for Patchwerk , he is arguably the hardest fight.
If you do, he's a pushover unless your healers suck.
I don't think it was the raidleader who said that, I think it was the rogue who called for Bloodlust at inopportune times, told the DPS to pull away from Baron on 4H and died to abominations on each Kel attempt.
Hilarious: The leader of the stupid naxx25 pug said "I think patchwerk is the hardest fight of the instance."
Buhwu
If you don't meet the gearcheck for Patchwerk , he is arguably the hardest fight.
If you do, he's a pushover unless your healers suck.
What exactly does it take to make the gearcheck? Actually wearing gear? I've never been in a group, 10 or 25 man that couldn't easily beat the enrage timer. Hell, our first 10-man kill, a rogue engaged before the OT and ate a hateful strike, and we were all "omg gear check no way we'll make it now, lets just make this a practice attempt" and then a minute in, the tank points out we've got him down 33%and are way ahead of the timer.
Hilarious: The leader of the stupid naxx25 pug said "I think patchwerk is the hardest fight of the instance."
Buhwu
If you don't meet the gearcheck for Patchwerk , he is arguably the hardest fight.
If you do, he's a pushover unless your healers suck.
What exactly does it take to make the gearcheck? Actually wearing gear? I've never been in a group, 10 or 25 man that couldn't easily beat the enrage timer. Hell, our first 10-man kill, a rogue engaged before the OT and ate a hateful strike, and we were all "omg gear check no way we'll make it now, lets just make this a practice attempt" and then a minute in, the tank points out we've got him down 33%and are way ahead of the timer.
The gear that is being checked is the tank's/healers more than the DPS. Five days after the release of Wrath I was in a random pug of 10 man Naxx made up of more or less the first 10 people to hit 80 and we were stonewalled by Patchwerk because we were still mostly wearing level 70 gear (and my level 70 gear was terrible and I was the MT), so it was just a struggle to keep the two tanks alive with three healers and everyone went oom about three minutes in. I think we did have the DPS to beat the enrage, but not by much.
Hate: No Trinket off VH
Hate: No trinket off AN
Hate: spent an hour in Old Kingdom with a terrible group, left after warlock went offline, i wnet FF and left.
love: 20 minutes latter logged back in, the only dece member of the group reformed the party with people that were good and I got my bracers!
Hilarious: The leader of the stupid naxx25 pug said "I think patchwerk is the hardest fight of the instance."
Buhwu
If you don't meet the gearcheck for Patchwerk , he is arguably the hardest fight.
If you do, he's a pushover unless your healers suck.
What exactly does it take to make the gearcheck? Actually wearing gear? I've never been in a group, 10 or 25 man that couldn't easily beat the enrage timer. Hell, our first 10-man kill, a rogue engaged before the OT and ate a hateful strike, and we were all "omg gear check no way we'll make it now, lets just make this a practice attempt" and then a minute in, the tank points out we've got him down 33%and are way ahead of the timer.
When you're running with a Feral DPS Druid (among others) who can barely do 1100 DPS.
Aargh: Vent. I'm not even logged into WoW right now (playing Diablo 2 with vent on in case something happens that I'd want to log back), but every five minutes it's, "Disconnected from Server," then ten seconds later, "WHARRGARGLBLERLGLEFLEGLBLERLEGLEFLEGLBRGRGLLRLGLRLG has connected," when everyone auto-joins again.
Hate: Every time I get into a Heroic VH group on my hunter, someone fucks up and people leave, then I get saved to a dead heroic that I need loot from.
Gee, thanks retard, I'm never going to replace my 75 staff at this rate.
Seriously.
I'm going to choke a bitch soon.
especially since I'm a blood elf rogue and by all rights should hate him so much.
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reVerseAttack and Dethrone GodRegistered Userregular
edited March 2009
In my opinion, "Commander" is the bestest title ever.
Which makes me sad because none of my character's have it and now it's gone forever. I tried to get it for my Druid back in the day (mostly for the free epic mount, though), but couldn't quite grind the battlegrounds hard enough. Got bored at Knight-Captain.
Happy: I can solo Anzu reliably now! No deaths tonight at all, done in 30m.
Sad: No mount.
Hope: I get the mount before I become obsessed with getting the mount like what happened with me and the Badge of Tenacity (Took 60 tries for that bitch, I got to the point where I refused to buy it from some weird obsession with it dropping since I could do the demon event so well by that point I finished with full health 90% of the time).
My old world PvP title is Blood Guard which goes well with my character's name. Also I've been getting a lot of people noticing my Salty title lately, it's weird.
I wish rogues could solo old content like that. I really want to grind Outland factions and get mounts like that but I even have trouble soloing the Fel Reaver.
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SenshiBALLING OUT OF CONTROLWavefrontRegistered Userregular
edited March 2009
The best title is Chef, though. Hands down.
Chef Kannaduki or Chef Wavefront. Thing is, I've been working on my professions lately (it's going fairly well, actually) because they were ridiculously underleveled, and Chef Kannaduki has become somewhat of a reality in terms of accessibility (no longer at 199 Cooking--ololol--and I decided to level Fishing--less ololol). I'm torn as to whether or not I want an 80 Blood Elf rogue being a "chef". She's my cool character--but Wavefront the Draenei Shaman is the awesome character, and Chef is decidedly better for him.
Any recommendations for the rogue? Are the Sarth3D titles still gonna be around after 3.1?
If you are an Orc the Guardian of Cenarius is the one to get for the irony of it
My brother is going to try to get the Flame Keeper title on his mage when the summer festivel is here
He wants to get The Immortal for his undead warrior so he can be Settra The Immortal {A warhammer joke}
I can go on and on with whta titles I want on who and why
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reVerseAttack and Dethrone GodRegistered Userregular
On my shaman, I flick between Conqueror, and Legionnaire. My Rogue has Knight-Captain, and my priest has First Sergeant (she needs to win 105 games of AB for her Conqueror title; bit of a slog that). I've also got a low level with the Grunt rank.
No silly Jenkins title for me.
Happy; my shadow priest is on the home stretch having just dinged 79 last night, which means I can afford to be selfish on my resto shaman, and have him have a resto pvp build and a resto pve build (dual spec is lovely, but why can't I have more specs?) and still find myself able to fill in a dps slot if needed.
Hate; her gear is complete crap, mainly because I'm still in low zones having been rested all the time. I think I'm going to have to put some effort in finding where to get her stuff
In my opinion, "Commander" is the bestest title ever.
Which makes me sad because none of my character's have it and now it's gone forever. I tried to get it for my Druid back in the day (mostly for the free epic mount, though), but couldn't quite grind the battlegrounds hard enough. Got bored at Knight-Captain.
Personally, I think they should have untied the ranks from the gear, but kept the ranks obtainable as they were. I'm really curious how much worse attaining ranks was made because people were so competitively trying to obtain them.
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ThomamelasOnly one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered Userregular
edited March 2009
I actually like Knight Captain of the PvP titles but it suits a Paladin pretty well. There are times when I'm tempted to change my title to that one.
And my favor joke name so far has been Salty Nobb.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
If you are an Orc the Guardian of Cenarius is the one to get for the irony of it
My brother is going to try to get the Flame Keeper title on his mage when the summer festivel is here
He wants to get The Immortal for his undead warrior so he can be Settra The Immortal {A warhammer joke}
I can go on and on with whta titles I want on who and why
Flame Keeper would be cool. I wish Deathstalker or Farstrider was attainable as a player title, then it'd be correct lore-wise.
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We actually switched tactics and havent wiped since... I dont run the half circle anymore I just stay put with my back to the door where the crypt fiends come out. The problem with our guild wasnt healing me through the damage but when I moved the healers had to reposition and they would get silence for 2-3 seconds before they figured it out and by then it was WOMP dead tank. By staying put I eat all of the damage but my healers have huge balls so healing through it is no problem.
KT requires people to CC Mind Controlled People quickly before they destroy the clothies. It also requires at least two competent people to interrupt KT's spellcasting. And then there is "If you healing is slow/sucky/lags, your melee dies," and "If your melee isn't looking at the group the entire time, they die."
I would consider myself an excellent player at this bloody game. I died to a void zone near the end of each KT attempt with the PuG raid because I looked down at a cooldown, and when I looked up it was too late.
Part of my problem was that I would be backstepping instead of stepping to the side, and the other part was that I was under a slowing effect during two of those deaths. But neither is a valid excuse, I had plenty of time. It's just when the DPS on that fight isn't quick enough, you get a lot more room for stupid error.
I would say that KT is the hardest 25 man fight, and I use the term 'hardest' here only comparative to the rest of the instance. Heigan also destroys PuGs and stupid guilds. But I would put Thaddius at number 2 behind KT. Your idiots will die within 30 seconds of that fight, and unlike heigan, you can't complete the fight without enough bodies. The worst part about it is that an idiot doing 900dps still needs to be alive because he's boosting the DPS of 10 other people.
And on that note, here's a happy:
The new raid designs of WotLK.
I was thinking about the designs of the majority of the bosses in vanilla and I realized that almost none of them had any sort of real challenge. They just had stupid enrages or gear checks or both. Look at 4horsemen, considered the pinnacle of difficulty by many guilds. The fight was only hard because you had to output a ridiculous amount of DPS while executing the strategy. It was fine-tuned to the second on raid DPS. The strategy was probably learned by most every guild at that level in a night. You would just spend weeks, months, perfecting it to a T so that nobody died and every did max DPS while on the run.
It's the one frustrating thing about Sarth3d on 10 man to me. If they adjusted the timers on 10 man so the drakes were slightly further apart or if the portals took slightly longer to spawn, then the fight would be tuned for 10 man gear.
And lastly, hope: They put in the 10-man Yogg-Saron hard-mode achievement that requires you to use gear received in Ulduar10 (or at least at the same ilvl of said gear)
If you don't meet the gearcheck for Patchwerk , he is arguably the hardest fight.
If you do, he's a pushover unless your healers suck.
Even more hate: Said hunter was a guildie.
[My shaman alt] has earned the achievement [Twilight Duo]!
[My shaman alt] has earned the achievement [Twilight Assist]!
Hate: My paladin didn't because our OT was an abysmal failure and I had to get on my Druid.
What exactly does it take to make the gearcheck? Actually wearing gear? I've never been in a group, 10 or 25 man that couldn't easily beat the enrage timer. Hell, our first 10-man kill, a rogue engaged before the OT and ate a hateful strike, and we were all "omg gear check no way we'll make it now, lets just make this a practice attempt" and then a minute in, the tank points out we've got him down 33%and are way ahead of the timer.
The gear that is being checked is the tank's/healers more than the DPS. Five days after the release of Wrath I was in a random pug of 10 man Naxx made up of more or less the first 10 people to hit 80 and we were stonewalled by Patchwerk because we were still mostly wearing level 70 gear (and my level 70 gear was terrible and I was the MT), so it was just a struggle to keep the two tanks alive with three healers and everyone went oom about three minutes in. I think we did have the DPS to beat the enrage, but not by much.
He was so bad at that.
Hate: No trinket off AN
Hate: spent an hour in Old Kingdom with a terrible group, left after warlock went offline, i wnet FF and left.
love: 20 minutes latter logged back in, the only dece member of the group reformed the party with people that were good and I got my bracers!
Gee, thanks retard, I'm never going to replace my 75 staff at this rate.
Seriously.
I'm going to choke a bitch soon.
Hope: I have only malygos and occulus heroic to get my champion of the frozen wastes title... I really want this title.
so closeeeee
whatever i prefer being elder jim anyway
especially since I'm a blood elf rogue and by all rights should hate him so much.
Which makes me sad because none of my character's have it and now it's gone forever. I tried to get it for my Druid back in the day (mostly for the free epic mount, though), but couldn't quite grind the battlegrounds hard enough. Got bored at Knight-Captain.
which is rad except i don't play him much
I liked the way 'Knight Captain Javen' sounded but I never got that high unfortunately.
Sad: No mount.
Hope: I get the mount before I become obsessed with getting the mount like what happened with me and the Badge of Tenacity (Took 60 tries for that bitch, I got to the point where I refused to buy it from some weird obsession with it dropping since I could do the demon event so well by that point I finished with full health 90% of the time).
My old world PvP title is Blood Guard which goes well with my character's name. Also I've been getting a lot of people noticing my Salty title lately, it's weird.
Chef Kannaduki or Chef Wavefront. Thing is, I've been working on my professions lately (it's going fairly well, actually) because they were ridiculously underleveled, and Chef Kannaduki has become somewhat of a reality in terms of accessibility (no longer at 199 Cooking--ololol--and I decided to level Fishing--less ololol). I'm torn as to whether or not I want an 80 Blood Elf rogue being a "chef". She's my cool character--but Wavefront the Draenei Shaman is the awesome character, and Chef is decidedly better for him.
Any recommendations for the rogue? Are the Sarth3D titles still gonna be around after 3.1?
My brother is going to try to get the Flame Keeper title on his mage when the summer festivel is here
He wants to get The Immortal for his undead warrior so he can be Settra The Immortal {A warhammer joke}
I can go on and on with whta titles I want on who and why
Or Corporal Punishment.
No silly Jenkins title for me.
Happy; my shadow priest is on the home stretch having just dinged 79 last night, which means I can afford to be selfish on my resto shaman, and have him have a resto pvp build and a resto pve build (dual spec is lovely, but why can't I have more specs?) and still find myself able to fill in a dps slot if needed.
Hate; her gear is complete crap, mainly because I'm still in low zones having been rested all the time. I think I'm going to have to put some effort in finding where to get her stuff
Personally, I think they should have untied the ranks from the gear, but kept the ranks obtainable as they were. I'm really curious how much worse attaining ranks was made because people were so competitively trying to obtain them.
And my favor joke name so far has been Salty Nobb.
edit: I actually think it would be cool if you could buy the lower level titles for some exorbitant amount of honor or marks or something
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat