I've heard that the High Elves, as far as lore is concerned, aren't too much removed from the Dark Elves, in terms of arrogance and so forth. The only difference is that they weren't the ones exiled from Ulthuan. I could be totaly wrong though, and I'm not an expert in Warhammer lore. Just repeating what my friend told me.
As for the staffs, I thought the BWs only touched one aspect of the Winds of magic (Aqshy), whereas the Archmages utilized most if not all of the winds, save Dhar (or whatever it is that the Druchii sorceress use).
Also, a BW wielding an Archmage staff would look really ridiculous.
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I've heard that the High Elves, as far as lore is concerned, aren't too much removed from the Dark Elves, in terms of arrogance and so forth. The only difference is that they weren't the ones exiled from Ulthuan.
Yeah, I was reading one of the new novels, Honourkeeper, and the elves in it are arrogant bastards. This was shortly before the schism with Malekith, and they were still fucking arrogant.
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Sev: Your gameplay is the most heavily yomi based around. Usually you look for characters that allow you to force guessing situations for big dmg. Even if the guess is mathematically nowhere near in your favor lol. You're happiest when you have either a 50/50, 33/33/33 or even a 75/25 situation to go crazy with. And you will take big risks to force those situations to come up.
I've heard that the High Elves, as far as lore is concerned, aren't too much removed from the Dark Elves, in terms of arrogance and so forth. The only difference is that they weren't the ones exiled from Ulthuan. I could be totaly wrong though, and I'm not an expert in Warhammer lore. Just repeating what my friend told me.
As for the staffs, I thought the BWs only touched one aspect of the Winds of magic (Aqshy), whereas the Archmages utilized most if not all of the winds, save Dhar (or whatever it is that the Druchii sorceress use).
Also, a BW wielding an Archmage staff would look really ridiculous.
Dark Elves were basically the losing faction with a heridetary right to the throne, rather than political or voted right. This aside, they really are Chaos elves. Not physically corrupt, but the foundation of their society is based on an assumed right to easy power; this is their "mutation" or corruption. Dark Elves see any means as justifiable to whatever ends they personally want, which is the chink in their cultural or emotional armor that allows Chaos in. As such, Dark Elves don't go through the tedious process of dissecting the Winds of Magic and re-weaving them in a safe(er) form. They just channel raw power of condensed, stagnated, leakage from the Realm of Chaos (that they call Dhar - dark magic).
One could argue that High Elf arrogance, xenophobia, and imperialism are Chaos-touched expressions of the same thing. They are less prone to outright Chaos cults and dark magic using, though.
This is why a BW probably wouldn't be able to use an elf-made Archmage's stuff. The most powerful Bright Wizard is equivalent in skill to a trainee Archmage. Elf wizards learn one of the eight Winds of Magic at a time, as training. After a human generation or two of learning their first Wind, they learn multiples, then how to weave them back together into proper High Magic, using this discipline and slow process to shield themselves from the raw power and corruption of Chaos.
This doesn't necessarily mean that an Archmage is always more powerful than a Bright Wizard, just more skilled and more flexible. A human with accessy to plenty of Aqshy (the Wind of fire, passion, and battle) could kick out quite a bit of raw power.
Bright Wizards (or any other Imperial wizard) learn only a single Wind, ever. Picking up an elvish artifact saturated or attutned to more than their own Wind could be pretty disastrous. An Archmage trying to use a Bright Wizard staff would likely find it useful only for a limited subset of half-remembered trainee spells.
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thats alot of stretching, the real answer is "somebody decided they want all the characters to be mostly cookie cutter in design, they want all tier 4 bright wizards to look alike, and all tier 4 archmages to look alike"
Dark elves are power hungry crazies who live in a crazy society with a crazy leader who wants to do crazy things to other people because he's donging his own mother (who is even crazier) and he is so jealous of the blonde pesky high elves because he is crazy and getting even crazier with every day he spends in his crazy land full of crazy monsters and crazy weather.
The reason for his crazyness can be attributed to the fact that his crazy mother got raped by crazy slaneeshi crazies who converted her to a crazy religion and then his father went crazy due to the Widowmaker (superduper magical sword) which in turn cursed malekith with crazy.
To be honest, Malekith never really stood a chance to end up as anything but a super villain-level-esque crazy person.
This, in turn, infected his followers with the crazy.
I've heard that the High Elves, as far as lore is concerned, aren't too much removed from the Dark Elves, in terms of arrogance and so forth. The only difference is that they weren't the ones exiled from Ulthuan. I could be totaly wrong though, and I'm not an expert in Warhammer lore. Just repeating what my friend told me.
As for the staffs, I thought the BWs only touched one aspect of the Winds of magic (Aqshy), whereas the Archmages utilized most if not all of the winds, save Dhar (or whatever it is that the Druchii sorceress use).
Also, a BW wielding an Archmage staff would look really ridiculous.
Dark Elves were basically the losing faction with a heridetary right to the throne, rather than political or voted right. This aside, they really are Chaos elves. Not physically corrupt, but the foundation of their society is based on an assumed right to easy power; this is their "mutation" or corruption. Dark Elves see any means as justifiable to whatever ends they personally want, which is the chink in their cultural or emotional armor that allows Chaos in. As such, Dark Elves don't go through the tedious process of dissecting the Winds of Magic and re-weaving them in a safe(er) form. They just channel raw power of condensed, stagnated, leakage from the Realm of Chaos (that they call Dhar - dark magic).
One could argue that High Elf arrogance, xenophobia, and imperialism are Chaos-touched expressions of the same thing. They are less prone to outright Chaos cults and dark magic using, though.
This is why a BW probably wouldn't be able to use an elf-made Archmage's stuff. The most powerful Bright Wizard is equivalent in skill to a trainee Archmage. Elf wizards learn one of the eight Winds of Magic at a time, as training. After a human generation or two of learning their first Wind, they learn multiples, then how to weave them back together into proper High Magic, using this discipline and slow process to shield themselves from the raw power and corruption of Chaos.
This doesn't necessarily mean that an Archmage is always more powerful than a Bright Wizard, just more skilled and more flexible. A human with accessy to plenty of Aqshy (the Wind of fire, passion, and battle) could kick out quite a bit of raw power.
Bright Wizards (or any other Imperial wizard) learn only a single Wind, ever. Picking up an elvish artifact saturated or attutned to more than their own Wind could be pretty disastrous. An Archmage trying to use a Bright Wizard staff would likely find it useful only for a limited subset of half-remembered trainee spells.
See this is why I love lore so much. It makes the game that much more enjoyable to play, beyond the "murder people for xps and monies" part.
thats alot of stretching, the real answer is "somebody decided they want all the characters to be mostly cookie cutter in design, they want all tier 4 bright wizards to look alike, and all tier 4 archmages to look alike"
Or it could be that the folks over at Mythic respect the lore of the Warhammer universe enough to not break it to people's petty whims at looking fashionable.
Not to be a dick or anything. I used to care that I couldn't make my character look exactly like I wanted to make them look, and had to choose from a set of faces. But I realized that this game isn't about uniqueness.
It's about murdering that mother fucker over there before they murder you.
I believe it is a similar theory to TF2, allowing you to identify classes and type of character at a glance, from a distance. You can always tell a Witch Hunter by the hat, and all that.
Not being overly familiar with the various classes on Destruction side myself, all Dark Elves seem to look fairly similar I find. I just stab them with my rapier.
So, can Mr.Malekith take his armor off or is it permanently grafted to him? Is he just a burnvictim in a really cool suit of armor, or is he more like one of those chosen boys, with demonic armor melded to their flesh?
Why he fucks his mother has never been explained to me. Maybe it's just an ironic part of elf culture.
I honestly have no idea. But if I had to make an educated guess, based on my newly acquired knowledge of dark elven culture (thanks in part to this thread), and of Malekith himself (again thanks to this thread), I'd have to say that there's a 90% probability he's making out with his mom......
Why he fucks his mother has never been explained to me. Maybe it's just an ironic part of elf culture.
Considering he's grafted to his armor, I think "how" is a better question.
And if Morathi was your mom, you'd probably be interested in that ass. It also doesn't hurt that Morathi is converting everyone to pervert-chaos behind his back.
Why he fucks his mother has never been explained to me. Maybe it's just an ironic part of elf culture.
I honestly have no idea. But if I had to make an educated guess, based on my newly acquired knowledge of dark elven culture (thanks in part to this thread), and of Malekith himself (again thanks to this thread), I'd have to say that there's a 90% probability he's making out with his mom......
.......because she's hot.
I have yet to hear of a Slaaneshi cult leader that wasn't hot. It's part of the Slaaneshi deal, I guess
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Sev: Your gameplay is the most heavily yomi based around. Usually you look for characters that allow you to force guessing situations for big dmg. Even if the guess is mathematically nowhere near in your favor lol. You're happiest when you have either a 50/50, 33/33/33 or even a 75/25 situation to go crazy with. And you will take big risks to force those situations to come up.
Why he fucks his mother has never been explained to me. Maybe it's just an ironic part of elf culture.
Considering he's grafted to his armor, I think "how" is a better question.
And if Morathi was your mom, you'd probably be interested in that ass. It also doesn't hurt that Morathi is converting everyone to pervert-chaos behind his back.
You know if they ever expand the world to include Naggaroth, the "War" over there will be between the Temple of Khaine and the Cult of Slaanesh. I'd put even money on it, in fact. I know that Naggarond is pretty much taken over by the Cult when Malekith leaves to lead the invasion of Ulthuan.
This reminds me, I was thinking about how uncomfortable it would be to have a Slaanesh-based guild on an RP server.
It'd be like running a Planescape campaign with all the PCs belonging to the Sensate Faction, only the Sensates are all Dark Elves who're down with autoerotic asphixiation, cutting, and hard core s&m. Otherwise, they're always down to try something new, just so long as there's blood, drugs, and sex.
thats alot of stretching, the real answer is "somebody decided they want all the characters to be mostly cookie cutter in design, they want all tier 4 bright wizards to look alike, and all tier 4 archmages to look alike"
It's both. Warhammer background is built, ground-up, to support games, not a setting with game rules shoved akwardly over the top.
The cookie cutter thing was basically unique to GW back in the day (most fantasy art was much "mushier" in the 70's and early 80's); the idea of an "elf army" or "ork army" with very distinct visual elements, equipment, and the like was part of the whole deal.
This is why GW ended up using green orcs with a distinct facial structure instead of the Tolkien/D&D template (of hairy, grey/pale/whatever indistinct monstery-things); why High Elves have big hats, and why Mythic carried on this design and made everything unique to races and classes.
Until Blizzard and everyone else followed GW's lead, this racially distinct art was one of the defining characteristics of Warhammer and later, 40k.
Also, GW has always been a bit loose on Malekith's armor. Sometimes he takes it off, sometimes he can but won't, sometimes he can't. They spend much more time describing the fact that he's a pawn of his mom, his mom is a MILF, and they probably get it on (which even Dark Elves think is gross, unless they're into Slaanesh).
edit: YES ZZULU! Lost and the Damned/Slaves to Darkness art is the best. The Tzeentch picture also explains how followers who dream of/see him say he contradicts, clarifies, and whispers over himself.
Why he fucks his mother has never been explained to me. Maybe it's just an ironic part of elf culture.
Considering he's grafted to his armor, I think "how" is a better question.
And if Morathi was your mom, you'd probably be interested in that ass. It also doesn't hurt that Morathi is converting everyone to pervert-chaos behind his back.
You know if they ever expand the world to include Naggaroth, the "War" over there will be between the Temple of Khaine and the Cult of Slaanesh. I'd put even money on it, in fact. I know that Naggarond is pretty much taken over by the Cult when Malekith leaves to lead the invasion of Ulthuan.
I really want to see Naggaroth in this game, if only for their take on Dark Elf cities. They nailed the Arks in my eyes.
I was in one of the old RP servers as Destro (Chaos Wastes) back when the game started. I saw a Marauder and a Witch Elf role play two lovers. I also saw a Disciple of Khaine proclaim that he worshipped Tzeentch.
I wanted to murder those players.
I'm glad the Chaos Wastes RP server is no more. Some things deserve to be rendered to naught.
one wonders why anyone would want to go inside nurgle
Because he's Grandfather Nurgle, they want to give him a hug.
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Sev: Your gameplay is the most heavily yomi based around. Usually you look for characters that allow you to force guessing situations for big dmg. Even if the guess is mathematically nowhere near in your favor lol. You're happiest when you have either a 50/50, 33/33/33 or even a 75/25 situation to go crazy with. And you will take big risks to force those situations to come up.
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As for the staffs, I thought the BWs only touched one aspect of the Winds of magic (Aqshy), whereas the Archmages utilized most if not all of the winds, save Dhar (or whatever it is that the Druchii sorceress use).
Also, a BW wielding an Archmage staff would look really ridiculous.
Yeah, I was reading one of the new novels, Honourkeeper, and the elves in it are arrogant bastards. This was shortly before the schism with Malekith, and they were still fucking arrogant.
It is.
It's the High Elf equivalent of us saying "Jesus" or "Odin's BEARD!"
Dark Elves were basically the losing faction with a heridetary right to the throne, rather than political or voted right. This aside, they really are Chaos elves. Not physically corrupt, but the foundation of their society is based on an assumed right to easy power; this is their "mutation" or corruption. Dark Elves see any means as justifiable to whatever ends they personally want, which is the chink in their cultural or emotional armor that allows Chaos in. As such, Dark Elves don't go through the tedious process of dissecting the Winds of Magic and re-weaving them in a safe(er) form. They just channel raw power of condensed, stagnated, leakage from the Realm of Chaos (that they call Dhar - dark magic).
One could argue that High Elf arrogance, xenophobia, and imperialism are Chaos-touched expressions of the same thing. They are less prone to outright Chaos cults and dark magic using, though.
This is why a BW probably wouldn't be able to use an elf-made Archmage's stuff. The most powerful Bright Wizard is equivalent in skill to a trainee Archmage. Elf wizards learn one of the eight Winds of Magic at a time, as training. After a human generation or two of learning their first Wind, they learn multiples, then how to weave them back together into proper High Magic, using this discipline and slow process to shield themselves from the raw power and corruption of Chaos.
This doesn't necessarily mean that an Archmage is always more powerful than a Bright Wizard, just more skilled and more flexible. A human with accessy to plenty of Aqshy (the Wind of fire, passion, and battle) could kick out quite a bit of raw power.
Bright Wizards (or any other Imperial wizard) learn only a single Wind, ever. Picking up an elvish artifact saturated or attutned to more than their own Wind could be pretty disastrous. An Archmage trying to use a Bright Wizard staff would likely find it useful only for a limited subset of half-remembered trainee spells.
The reason for his crazyness can be attributed to the fact that his crazy mother got raped by crazy slaneeshi crazies who converted her to a crazy religion and then his father went crazy due to the Widowmaker (superduper magical sword) which in turn cursed malekith with crazy.
To be honest, Malekith never really stood a chance to end up as anything but a super villain-level-esque crazy person.
This, in turn, infected his followers with the crazy.
See this is why I love lore so much. It makes the game that much more enjoyable to play, beyond the "murder people for xps and monies" part.
Or it could be that the folks over at Mythic respect the lore of the Warhammer universe enough to not break it to people's petty whims at looking fashionable.
Not to be a dick or anything. I used to care that I couldn't make my character look exactly like I wanted to make them look, and had to choose from a set of faces. But I realized that this game isn't about uniqueness.
It's about murdering that mother fucker over there before they murder you.
at least malekith is,
and his mom.
-which he is having tender incestuous crazy-person sex with
Not being overly familiar with the various classes on Destruction side myself, all Dark Elves seem to look fairly similar I find. I just stab them with my rapier.
She is his consort and queen, yet one wonders how they do it without taking the armor off.
That reminds me of a story from Morrowind...
Why he fucks his mother has never been explained to me. Maybe it's just an ironic part of elf culture.
It seems to go on quite a bit. Every Elf in Warhammer that I know of calls one another 'cousin'. Lot o' inbreedin' over in them thar hills of Chrace.
just sayin'
I honestly have no idea. But if I had to make an educated guess, based on my newly acquired knowledge of dark elven culture (thanks in part to this thread), and of Malekith himself (again thanks to this thread), I'd have to say that there's a 90% probability he's making out with his mom......
.......because she's hot.
And bestiality.
whitelionpron.jpg
You know that someone somewhere did something like that using WAR screenshots.
I hate the internet so much, sometimes. It's like the Chaos Wastes, anything that enters it will be warped and twisted, never to be the same again.
And if Morathi was your mom, you'd probably be interested in that ass. It also doesn't hurt that Morathi is converting everyone to pervert-chaos behind his back.
I have yet to hear of a Slaaneshi cult leader that wasn't hot. It's part of the Slaaneshi deal, I guess
crazy-magic
crazy slaaneshi magic
Only with incest.
You know if they ever expand the world to include Naggaroth, the "War" over there will be between the Temple of Khaine and the Cult of Slaanesh. I'd put even money on it, in fact. I know that Naggarond is pretty much taken over by the Cult when Malekith leaves to lead the invasion of Ulthuan.
It'd be like running a Planescape campaign with all the PCs belonging to the Sensate Faction, only the Sensates are all Dark Elves who're down with autoerotic asphixiation, cutting, and hard core s&m. Otherwise, they're always down to try something new, just so long as there's blood, drugs, and sex.
They're the only illustrations I've found of the chaos gods. It's all ancient GW stuff
and here's good old nurgle,
and tzeentch
It's both. Warhammer background is built, ground-up, to support games, not a setting with game rules shoved akwardly over the top.
The cookie cutter thing was basically unique to GW back in the day (most fantasy art was much "mushier" in the 70's and early 80's); the idea of an "elf army" or "ork army" with very distinct visual elements, equipment, and the like was part of the whole deal.
This is why GW ended up using green orcs with a distinct facial structure instead of the Tolkien/D&D template (of hairy, grey/pale/whatever indistinct monstery-things); why High Elves have big hats, and why Mythic carried on this design and made everything unique to races and classes.
Until Blizzard and everyone else followed GW's lead, this racially distinct art was one of the defining characteristics of Warhammer and later, 40k.
Also, GW has always been a bit loose on Malekith's armor. Sometimes he takes it off, sometimes he can but won't, sometimes he can't. They spend much more time describing the fact that he's a pawn of his mom, his mom is a MILF, and they probably get it on (which even Dark Elves think is gross, unless they're into Slaanesh).
edit: YES ZZULU! Lost and the Damned/Slaves to Darkness art is the best. The Tzeentch picture also explains how followers who dream of/see him say he contradicts, clarifies, and whispers over himself.
It's the rule.
Or all three.
I really want to see Naggaroth in this game, if only for their take on Dark Elf cities. They nailed the Arks in my eyes.
I wanted to murder those players.
I'm glad the Chaos Wastes RP server is no more. Some things deserve to be rendered to naught.
Hell, it'd be cool to be able to just wander around an entire Ark.
Zzulu; they'd be too content with their despair to even worry about it. They'd probably be overjoyed at being part of Papa.
Because he's Grandfather Nurgle, they want to give him a hug.