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edited April 2009
One of the earlier empire quests has you tracking down an escaped plague patient who went nuts. The doctor is talking about how no matter what he couldn't cure the plague it resisted all treatments.
You find him standing happily in the chaos encampment he voluntary went to, and he attacks you on sight.
Then you go back and the doctor is all "Man no matter how many leeches I used it didn't work."
I came away from that quest with a great insight into the gritty yuck that is War.
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I went butchering this time around. Fucking cultivation.
With the low numbers of beasts you kill in this game (without going out of your way for them) and the randomness of butchering I don't really see the point. Cultivation with a proper plugin is piss-easy, one click to harvest the plant, one click to replant a new one in its place.
I went butchering this time around. Fucking cultivation.
With the low numbers of beasts you kill in this game (without going out of your way for them) and the randomness of butchering I don't really see the point. Cultivation with a proper plugin is piss-easy, one click to harvest the plant, one click to replant a new one in its place.
I spent like an hour farming spiders and chaos hounds in TM and I had enough rank 200 and 150 stabilizers to make maybe 80 potions.
Cynic- Eh I could see that. I farm lizards for armor pots because you can't get the ingredient from cultivating and you do end up with a lot of stabilizers. 160 in an hour I could see if you had a good spot.
Glal- Not in an hour you don't :P
It is impossible to cultivate 800 level 200 stabilizers in an hour even using the cultivating additives. It might have been possible back when stacks were 20 and not 50. You can only do 160 combines in one hour. 3600 seconds in an hour at 90 seconds (using additives) per set is 40 sets. 4 shots per set is 160 total chances to grow something. I did a test the other day to check out the effectiveness of level 200 additives and doing 100 combines of level 200 extender seeds with additives I ended up with 213 plants (I can post the full results of if anyone is interested).
For anything that cultivating can be used for it is preferable to butchering though. At least assuming you're looking for level 200 ingredients.
With Miracle Grow you can use it while doing other things like RvR/Scens without any kind of penalty to your effectiveness in fights and even better you get the ingredients you're going for much much faster since the drop rates on level 200 butchering ingredients is horribly low. Like 300 dead Cold Ones to get 4 level 200 scales low.
Unfortunately butchering is basically only useful for for ingredients that you can't cultivate which kind of blows. I'm really hoping they take a hard look at butchering sometime in the near future. On the plus side though I whore armor pots on my WL and butchering is still the only avenue for that so my 200 butchering isn't a complete waste :P
Fine, bag in a night (it feels more, I keep needing to destroy the shit), but I am able to do it while doing other things, so it's still a better yield per time invested (as that is zero). :P
Yeah, cultivating is (now) all about having ridiculous amounts of stabilizers. It's nice to be able to freely down potions (particularly restoration and healing for a tank).
Except when you do two rounds of breaking even with your only 125 Elvish Parsley seeds and the third results in critical failures across the board. I will be angry about this until I find some 150 parsley.
have going and wrongly assumes that because they "look" emo, therefore they must be emo.
Do emo people enslave the shit out of any race that isn't them, make sails and clothing from the skin of humans and dwarves, and worship a god who personifies Murder as well as building a society around said god?
Do emo chicks break into people's houses on one night of the year, slaughtering people in the name of this god, steal any newborn babes, and then cast the babes into boiling brass cauldrons of blood?
But they do all of that because of a bad breakup and because their fathers were always away at work and they never got to spend any time with him. So, they are emo is what I am trying to say. All they need now is skinny jeans and they will be set.
Hey guys! If you wanna run some PQs or screw around with me on WAR, you can find me at Ramma on Dark Crag's Destruction side. I tried Order, I really did, but I just don't like it very much. Destruction is everything the Horde on WoW should have been.
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What's that ringing? Ting-ting-a-linging in my head~? Oh, you're always there, making me whole. You're always waiting up for me. You're my first kiss, ever so pure, and ever so defiling, once lost, can never be the same. Fuck me. Violate me. Deny me.
Hey guys! If you wanna run some PQs or screw around with me on WAR, you can find me at Ramma on Dark Crag's Destruction side. I tried Order, I really did, but I just don't like it very much. Destruction is everything the Horde on WoW should have been.
So is Dark Crag the go-to PA Destro server now? I see it mentioned more and more each page...
I'm Stuffsy there btw, 27 Sham.
I'm the complete opposite, I could of played any archtype on Order, but Destro the shaman was the only class I could get into, I'm sure it's aesthetics more then anything.
No matter though, once I discovered trophies the entire game changed for me, I'm going to hang everything off of Stuffsy - Master of Stuff.
Also is logging out in an instance and logging in Tier 1 as a chicken a known bug? I always forget until it's too late, then I get a sweet run back to the first warcamp.
have going and wrongly assumes that because they "look" emo, therefore they must be emo.
Do emo people enslave the shit out of any race that isn't them, make sails and clothing from the skin of humans and dwarves, and worship a god who personifies Murder as well as building a society around said god?
Do emo chicks break into people's houses on one night of the year, slaughtering people in the name of this god, steal any newborn babes, and then cast the babes into boiling brass cauldrons of blood?
But they do all of that because of a bad breakup and because their fathers were always away at work and they never got to spend any time with him. So, they are emo is what I am trying to say. All they need now is skinny jeans and they will be set.
If your ex started stalking you, smashing your windows, and etching love notes into your car using a knife, and killed your dog and grandma, you wouldnt call that emo. Thats crazy.
What's that ringing? Ting-ting-a-linging in my head~? Oh, you're always there, making me whole. You're always waiting up for me. You're my first kiss, ever so pure, and ever so defiling, once lost, can never be the same. Fuck me. Violate me. Deny me.
have going and wrongly assumes that because they "look" emo, therefore they must be emo.
Do emo people enslave the shit out of any race that isn't them, make sails and clothing from the skin of humans and dwarves, and worship a god who personifies Murder as well as building a society around said god?
Do emo chicks break into people's houses on one night of the year, slaughtering people in the name of this god, steal any newborn babes, and then cast the babes into boiling brass cauldrons of blood?
But they do all of that because of a bad breakup and because their fathers were always away at work and they never got to spend any time with him. So, they are emo is what I am trying to say. All they need now is skinny jeans and they will be set.
If your ex started stalking you, smashing your windows, and etching love notes into your car using a knife, and killed your dog and grandma, you wouldnt call that emo. Thats crazy.
The real problem with butchering is getting the 200 ingredients. For Example, I'm killing the level 40 vines because I want to get thorn potions.
Well, these vines drop a restoration main, and also a stabilizer. However, they drop them in the skill levels of 150, 175, and 200. Also, the drop rates for each of these levels seems to be in a 3:2:1 ratio.
So, in order to get say 5 actual 200 thorn ingredients, I'd end up also getting on average:
15 level 150 stabilizers (these are useless)
15 level 150 thorn ingredients (level 32 - so useless)
15 level 150 restoration ingredients (level 32 - so useless)
10 level 175 stabilizers (these are useless)
10 level 175 thorn ingredients (level 35 - so useless)
10 level 175 restoration ingredients (level 35 - so useless)
5 level 200 stabilizers
5 level 200 thorn ingredients - These are what I'm actually looking for
5 level 200 restoration ingredients - These can be obtained in 3 minutes for no cost with cultivating while doing other things.
Even looking at that, it seems a bit off, because you seem to get more stabilizers than main ingredients.
But, the end result seems to match. I have to grind on 90 mobs just to get 5 of the ingredients I actually want. So, yeah, pretty lame. Keep in mind, I'm also not grinding stabilizers or lengtheners because those are so much easier to make with my cultivator.
This grind time is time I can't do anything else in, either.
I know some people will say, "Why don't you just sell the useless ingredients or potions made from them?"
The answer is because there's nothing to buy with money, so it does nothing for me.
Destro on Badlands actually defended last night, instead of just giving up to the warbands full of WP and BW.
There were about 2-3 warbands of order and about 2 warbands of destro.
We ended up retreating to the ramp to the third floor from the lord room, and just dropping massive amounts of PoS, Tzeench's Firestorm, and Disolving mist while order tried to use the camera to throw as much Rain of Fire up in the lord room as possible.
God I can't wait till 1.2.1 where deep defense/attack is no longer "who has the most BW/Sorc".
I'm too addicted to Recall scrolls, I think. Dark Crag is a good server, but sweet, sweet guild rank 24 (and halfway to 25 and flashy mounts) is my thing.
That and I'm getting to know my T3 BW victims pretty well. They know fear.
Cultivating is far superior to butchering. With butchering, it takes too much time to get to a good farm spot and then farm those level 200 ingredients while trashing all the sub-200s and getting unwanted ingredients. And lets say you want, say, strength potions as an order player. Well, the best spot for that is still bears in dragon wake which run the level range of 34-39. Higher level bears and cats exist, but not in high numbers. Worse, what if you want ballistics? I know one spot where about 6 vultures spawn in black crag and that's about it.
Then you ask yourself, why would you ever want ballistics when you can get a liniment of X, cheaply and easily from a guildy-cultivator? Ah, but butchers can make 2 potions that cultivators cannot: armoring and thorns. These potions, along with resistance potions, are separate from liniments and will stack with them.
I turned a teen level warrior priest alt I don't play into a 200 cultivator over a few hours while finishing "Lord of Light" by R. Zelazny and cooking. Now my butchering/apothecary guy is rolling in extenders, stabilizers, and those frequent-use potions, all from level 200 ingredients. The initial time investment in skilling up and growing your own high end seeds will be pretty significant, but once you're there, the time to get those ingredients is far shorter than butchering. And, you can get more seeds from another cultivator. So, if you beg, you only need to work one ingredient up to 175 for the skill.
Butchering is terrible. Get an alt to cultivate at the very least. And if you can do it on a main while playing the game, all the better.
There was a hot fix. Of note:
Bulwark: A door may now be healed by this ability only once every 5 minutes.
Slayer player statues will now display properly in the Altdorf War Quarters.
Adjusted the difficulty of some Contested City Public Quests to bring them more in line with their intended design.
Also, Altdorf siege on the PTS and they will have guilds so you can try out the keep upgrade system.
Destro on Badlands actually defended last night, instead of just giving up to the warbands full of WP and BW.
There were about 2-3 warbands of order and about 2 warbands of destro.
We ended up retreating to the ramp to the third floor from the lord room, and just dropping massive amounts of PoS, Tzeench's Firestorm, and Disolving mist while order tried to use the camera to throw as much Rain of Fire up in the lord room as possible.
God I can't wait till 1.2.1 where deep defense/attack is no longer "who has the most BW/Sorc".
You are on Badlands? I had no idea? Who's your toon/guild?
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Sev: Your gameplay is the most heavily yomi based around. Usually you look for characters that allow you to force guessing situations for big dmg. Even if the guess is mathematically nowhere near in your favor lol. You're happiest when you have either a 50/50, 33/33/33 or even a 75/25 situation to go crazy with. And you will take big risks to force those situations to come up.
Destro on Badlands actually defended last night, instead of just giving up to the warbands full of WP and BW.
There were about 2-3 warbands of order and about 2 warbands of destro.
We ended up retreating to the ramp to the third floor from the lord room, and just dropping massive amounts of PoS, Tzeench's Firestorm, and Disolving mist while order tried to use the camera to throw as much Rain of Fire up in the lord room as possible.
God I can't wait till 1.2.1 where deep defense/attack is no longer "who has the most BW/Sorc".
You are on Badlands? I had no idea? Who's your toon/guild?
I'm on destro. Rolled with a friend, and got too high level before I realized the candymancers were on badlands. I have a 40 DoK named Kryella, and a 39 Magus named Sufferr. Haven't really nailed down a guild yet. Seems like most guilds are retarded, so I keep switching.
There are some really awesome points in the 1.2.1 notes I hadn't heard about yet.
Additionally, defenders will now be able to see the health of the Keep door at all times.
About damn time! Also:
Renown, Influence, and Experience rewards for capturing a Keep have been reduced by 50%; however, once a zone is captured, players who participated in taking a Keep, and who are still in the pairing, will be rewarded double the Renown, Influence, and Experience received from the initial Keep capture. Furthermore, we’ve also added additional Renown rewards for all players in the Tier 4 zone when it becomes captured.
In concept, I love this, as warbands so easily evaporate after taking a keep. With zones being easier to control these days, I don't think it's unfair to encourage people to stick it through to the end.
Also, Rending Blade nerf. I'm a bit scared to see the bitching on the Chosen forum. Despite the fact that they're a very good career.
In concept, I love this, as warbands so easily evaporate after taking a keep. With zones being easier to control these days, I don't think it's unfair to encourage people to stick it through to the end.
Why is it do you think that the warband disappears after the keep take? Its because if they stick around to turtle, the other warband will just avoid them, and they get nothing more at all.
If they want people to defend keeps, they need to reward attackers for attacking a defended keep.
Until attacking a defended keep has rewards commessurate with the effort required to take it, compared to an undefended keep, none of these other changes are going to matter.
Maybe they should divide the rewards into 3 stages on taking keeps, 30% for outer door, 30% for inner door, and 40% for the lord. Then add a periodic reward every 5min that scales with however many defenders are in the area.
or set up a "offensive" player general outside the camp, that works like the Lord in that the attacking players can get a quest to kill x number of players on the attack. or this could be set up at the nearest warcamp. i know there are plenty of qeuts for orvr but at least this would give you reason to siege a defended keep.
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In concept, I love this, as warbands so easily evaporate after taking a keep. With zones being easier to control these days, I don't think it's unfair to encourage people to stick it through to the end.
Why is it do you think that the warband disappears after the keep take? Its because if they stick around to turtle, the other warband will just avoid them, and they get nothing more at all.
No, I don't mean the warband moves on; I mean they often lose players to scenarios, other content, or move to different zones.
Jumping to the other keep in the zone or wandering around trying to ambush foes seem to be better options than leaving the zone completely.
In concept, I love this, as warbands so easily evaporate after taking a keep. With zones being easier to control these days, I don't think it's unfair to encourage people to stick it through to the end.
Why is it do you think that the warband disappears after the keep take? Its because if they stick around to turtle, the other warband will just avoid them, and they get nothing more at all.
No, I don't mean the warband moves on; I mean they often lose players to scenarios, other content, or move to different zones.
Jumping to the other keep in the zone or wandering around trying to ambush foes seem to be better options than leaving the zone completely.
I know your a casual player, but just how many players do you think you are going to run into that you can ambush? How do you ambush them with a full warband, or do you expect everyone to dispurse and hope that the opposing warband / zerg doesnt roll over them piecemeal?
And once you finish capping the second keep and the 4 BFOs, why should you have to sit in the zone for the next 2 hours for zone domination?
And if you dont want to wait the 2 hours for zone domination, then you are going to have to lose players to scenarios.
And in those 2 hours you could easily get 10x the renown from scenarios instead. They need to reward staying in the zone as you are there, not just "yeah, be bored for an hour until you dominate".
Gnome; you make a good point - forcing people to sit around and fight with no focus isn't as strong as that plus some good carrots. We also don't know if you can leave and come back.
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You find him standing happily in the chaos encampment he voluntary went to, and he attacks you on sight.
Then you go back and the doctor is all "Man no matter how many leeches I used it didn't work."
I came away from that quest with a great insight into the gritty yuck that is War.
I spent like an hour farming spiders and chaos hounds in TM and I had enough rank 200 and 150 stabilizers to make maybe 80 potions.
Glal- Not in an hour you don't :P
It is impossible to cultivate 800 level 200 stabilizers in an hour even using the cultivating additives. It might have been possible back when stacks were 20 and not 50. You can only do 160 combines in one hour. 3600 seconds in an hour at 90 seconds (using additives) per set is 40 sets. 4 shots per set is 160 total chances to grow something. I did a test the other day to check out the effectiveness of level 200 additives and doing 100 combines of level 200 extender seeds with additives I ended up with 213 plants (I can post the full results of if anyone is interested).
For anything that cultivating can be used for it is preferable to butchering though. At least assuming you're looking for level 200 ingredients.
With Miracle Grow you can use it while doing other things like RvR/Scens without any kind of penalty to your effectiveness in fights and even better you get the ingredients you're going for much much faster since the drop rates on level 200 butchering ingredients is horribly low. Like 300 dead Cold Ones to get 4 level 200 scales low.
Unfortunately butchering is basically only useful for for ingredients that you can't cultivate which kind of blows. I'm really hoping they take a hard look at butchering sometime in the near future. On the plus side though I whore armor pots on my WL and butchering is still the only avenue for that so my 200 butchering isn't a complete waste :P
Except when you do two rounds of breaking even with your only 125 Elvish Parsley seeds and the third results in critical failures across the board. I will be angry about this until I find some 150 parsley.
But they do all of that because of a bad breakup and because their fathers were always away at work and they never got to spend any time with him. So, they are emo is what I am trying to say. All they need now is skinny jeans and they will be set.
So is Dark Crag the go-to PA Destro server now? I see it mentioned more and more each page...
I'm Stuffsy there btw, 27 Sham.
I'm the complete opposite, I could of played any archtype on Order, but Destro the shaman was the only class I could get into, I'm sure it's aesthetics more then anything.
No matter though, once I discovered trophies the entire game changed for me, I'm going to hang everything off of Stuffsy - Master of Stuff.
Also is logging out in an instance and logging in Tier 1 as a chicken a known bug? I always forget until it's too late, then I get a sweet run back to the first warcamp.
If your ex started stalking you, smashing your windows, and etching love notes into your car using a knife, and killed your dog and grandma, you wouldnt call that emo. Thats crazy.
Dark Elves arent Emo, they are Crazy.
MWO: Adamski
Who knows! Come aboard for RvR!
Emo kids get counseling, Dark Elves get even.
And then enslave you for the lulz.
Well, these vines drop a restoration main, and also a stabilizer. However, they drop them in the skill levels of 150, 175, and 200. Also, the drop rates for each of these levels seems to be in a 3:2:1 ratio.
So, in order to get say 5 actual 200 thorn ingredients, I'd end up also getting on average:
15 level 150 stabilizers (these are useless)
15 level 150 thorn ingredients (level 32 - so useless)
15 level 150 restoration ingredients (level 32 - so useless)
10 level 175 stabilizers (these are useless)
10 level 175 thorn ingredients (level 35 - so useless)
10 level 175 restoration ingredients (level 35 - so useless)
5 level 200 stabilizers
5 level 200 thorn ingredients - These are what I'm actually looking for
5 level 200 restoration ingredients - These can be obtained in 3 minutes for no cost with cultivating while doing other things.
Even looking at that, it seems a bit off, because you seem to get more stabilizers than main ingredients.
But, the end result seems to match. I have to grind on 90 mobs just to get 5 of the ingredients I actually want. So, yeah, pretty lame. Keep in mind, I'm also not grinding stabilizers or lengtheners because those are so much easier to make with my cultivator.
This grind time is time I can't do anything else in, either.
I know some people will say, "Why don't you just sell the useless ingredients or potions made from them?"
The answer is because there's nothing to buy with money, so it does nothing for me.
There were about 2-3 warbands of order and about 2 warbands of destro.
We ended up retreating to the ramp to the third floor from the lord room, and just dropping massive amounts of PoS, Tzeench's Firestorm, and Disolving mist while order tried to use the camera to throw as much Rain of Fire up in the lord room as possible.
God I can't wait till 1.2.1 where deep defense/attack is no longer "who has the most BW/Sorc".
I'm too addicted to Recall scrolls, I think. Dark Crag is a good server, but sweet, sweet guild rank 24 (and halfway to 25 and flashy mounts) is my thing.
That and I'm getting to know my T3 BW victims pretty well. They know fear.
Then you ask yourself, why would you ever want ballistics when you can get a liniment of X, cheaply and easily from a guildy-cultivator? Ah, but butchers can make 2 potions that cultivators cannot: armoring and thorns. These potions, along with resistance potions, are separate from liniments and will stack with them.
I turned a teen level warrior priest alt I don't play into a 200 cultivator over a few hours while finishing "Lord of Light" by R. Zelazny and cooking. Now my butchering/apothecary guy is rolling in extenders, stabilizers, and those frequent-use potions, all from level 200 ingredients. The initial time investment in skilling up and growing your own high end seeds will be pretty significant, but once you're there, the time to get those ingredients is far shorter than butchering. And, you can get more seeds from another cultivator. So, if you beg, you only need to work one ingredient up to 175 for the skill.
Butchering is terrible. Get an alt to cultivate at the very least. And if you can do it on a main while playing the game, all the better.
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Bulwark: A door may now be healed by this ability only once every 5 minutes.
Slayer player statues will now display properly in the Altdorf War Quarters.
Adjusted the difficulty of some Contested City Public Quests to bring them more in line with their intended design.
Also, Altdorf siege on the PTS and they will have guilds so you can try out the keep upgrade system.
You are on Badlands? I had no idea? Who's your toon/guild?
Damn you mythic!
If the president had any real power, he'd be able to live wherever the fuck he wanted.
I'm on destro. Rolled with a friend, and got too high level before I realized the candymancers were on badlands. I have a 40 DoK named Kryella, and a 39 Magus named Sufferr. Haven't really nailed down a guild yet. Seems like most guilds are retarded, so I keep switching.
Additionally, defenders will now be able to see the health of the Keep door at all times.
About damn time! Also:
Renown, Influence, and Experience rewards for capturing a Keep have been reduced by 50%; however, once a zone is captured, players who participated in taking a Keep, and who are still in the pairing, will be rewarded double the Renown, Influence, and Experience received from the initial Keep capture. Furthermore, we’ve also added additional Renown rewards for all players in the Tier 4 zone when it becomes captured.
In concept, I love this, as warbands so easily evaporate after taking a keep. With zones being easier to control these days, I don't think it's unfair to encourage people to stick it through to the end.
Also, Rending Blade nerf. I'm a bit scared to see the bitching on the Chosen forum. Despite the fact that they're a very good career.
edit: and goddamn... a new guild UI. About time!
If they want people to defend keeps, they need to reward attackers for attacking a defended keep.
Until attacking a defended keep has rewards commessurate with the effort required to take it, compared to an undefended keep, none of these other changes are going to matter.
Maybe they should divide the rewards into 3 stages on taking keeps, 30% for outer door, 30% for inner door, and 40% for the lord. Then add a periodic reward every 5min that scales with however many defenders are in the area.
MWO: Adamski
No, I don't mean the warband moves on; I mean they often lose players to scenarios, other content, or move to different zones.
Jumping to the other keep in the zone or wandering around trying to ambush foes seem to be better options than leaving the zone completely.
I know your a casual player, but just how many players do you think you are going to run into that you can ambush? How do you ambush them with a full warband, or do you expect everyone to dispurse and hope that the opposing warband / zerg doesnt roll over them piecemeal?
And once you finish capping the second keep and the 4 BFOs, why should you have to sit in the zone for the next 2 hours for zone domination?
And if you dont want to wait the 2 hours for zone domination, then you are going to have to lose players to scenarios.
MWO: Adamski
Nope. Just short of 31 now. I r slooooow.
Gnome; you make a good point - forcing people to sit around and fight with no focus isn't as strong as that plus some good carrots. We also don't know if you can leave and come back.
EDIT Also, Saturday I have a Deer roast to got o at 5 PM Eastern, so I'll only be able to stick around for part of Saturday Afternoon Scenarios.
I can commit to a few hours, but I won't be on 'till around 9 PST. I also don't want to level past T3 before the event tomorrow.
I'll try and be around for Midnight then (which is 9 your time, damn west coasters).
Damn east coasters and your early bedtimes.