An Invincible Thread

the_Willardthe_Willard Registered User regular
edited March 2009 in Graphic Violence
Unless it gets locked, then it would be...vincible?
Anyway, couldn't find a thread (i searched, twice...and then 2 more times after i was told there was one to no avail) on Invincible, and since it's the only comic i currently read, AND i happen to think it's awesome, here's a thread for fellow Invinciheads (i think kirkman said that once) to talk about it and just maybe stir up some new interest for the book.

while we're here, any one have opinions on Invincible's single issues vs trade paperbacks vs ultimate collection?
i've only had experience with the ultimate collection and i loved seeing the artwork evolve throughout the first one and the extra material included a the end of all of them has been fucking cool, he seems to do a lot of sketches of Mark as a zombie, kinda makes me wish i had read Marvel Zombies.

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  • ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Maybe this is what you were searching for, although it hasn't been touched since last year.

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  • the_Willardthe_Willard Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Wow, how the hell did you find that? i searched like...o yeah, i said already. And it's just extra funny that THAT thread starts with "because what the fuck happened to the old one?"

    this is what i got when i searched, minus this thread, obviously.

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  • ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2009
    whatever, this gets to be the new invincible thread now. the old one is dead to me

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Has anything good happened in Invincible recently? I haven't read it in like a year.

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  • psycojesterpsycojester Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Depends, what was the last thing you read?

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I don't remember. I think the issue had too much of Invincible and Atom Eve discussing their relationship, though!

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  • the_Willardthe_Willard Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    man, the last thing i read was the Ultimate Collection 3. i kinda want to wait until i can get my hands on 4 since i love the extra material, but i'm getting scared that i'm just REALLY far behind now. should i just start getting the trade paperbacks until i can catch up? is there one that'll get me close to where i left off without skipping any issues?

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Invincible War might be interesting.
    I'd like it if the main universe's Invincible was the only one who turned out good.

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  • psycojesterpsycojester Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Urgh, Spawn, Savage Dragon and Witchblade. You can all fuck off back to your own awful comics right now, Invincible doesn't need you lowering the tone.

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  • MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Urgh, Spawn, Savage Dragon and Witchblade. You can all fuck off back to your own awful comics right now, Invincible doesn't need you lowering the tone.

    Yeah, but that'll be countered by the presence of the Firebirds, Dynamo 5, Tech Jacket, the Capes, and Superpatriot.

    In addition to the Invincible War, the big Conquest story is coming up.

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    Reminds me of the Superman/Doomsday teasers from when I was a little kid.

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  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    So guys, explain to me how the Image shared universe works. Which books are a part of it?

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  • MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Erik Larsen laid it out like this- they're all part of the same universe until it's inconvenient, and then they no longer are, but their multiverse duplicates might be. Like, let's say Savage Dragon pops up in Invincible and helps him fight Angstrom Levy on a Tuesday afternoon. This has officially occurred in Invincible, and unofficially occurred in Savage Dragon's timeline somewhere. But later, Larsen decides that Dragon couldn't have been fighting Angstrom that Tuesday, because he was actually getting ice cream. So while a Savage Dragon in the Invincible-verse helped Invincible out, it wasn't the same one in Larsen's book. Ditto for any Invincible appearances in Savage Dragon.

    It's kind of a way to keep continuity streamlined and confined to a single book, while still allowing for crossovers. As for who's a part of the Image superhero universe, the cover for issue 60 has pretty much everyone.

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  • sportzboytjwsportzboytjw squeeeeeezzeeee some more tax breaks outRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    It kind of works the way it should be. Like... it's not all neat and tight, but still is really enjoyable imo.

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  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Munch wrote: »
    Erik Larsen laid it out like this- they're all part of the same universe until it's inconvenient, and then they no longer are, but their multiverse duplicates might be. Like, let's say Savage Dragon pops up in Invincible and helps him fight Angstrom Levy on a Tuesday afternoon. This has officially occurred in Invincible, and unofficially occurred in Savage Dragon's timeline somewhere. But later, Larsen decides that Dragon couldn't have been fighting Angstrom that Tuesday, because he was actually getting ice cream. So while a Savage Dragon in the Invincible-verse helped Invincible out, it wasn't the same one in Larsen's book. Ditto for any Invincible appearances in Savage Dragon.

    It's kind of a way to keep continuity streamlined and confined to a single book, while still allowing for crossovers. As for who's a part of the Image superhero universe, the cover for issue 60 has pretty much everyone.

    Okay, so a multiverse. Is there a primary universe where none of the other books supersede the events?

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  • KyleWPetersonKyleWPeterson Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
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  • MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Okay, so a multiverse. Is there a primary universe where none of the other books supersede the events?

    Not really. The closest thing would be the Kirkmanverse, where all of Robert's characters (Brit, Capes, Invincible, Wolf-Man, and Tech Jacket) exist within the same universe. Or Jay Faerber's little Noble Causes/Dynamo 5/Firebirds universe. And occasionally you'll get stuff like The Pact, where creators work together to tell a story that can be applied to all their characters without issue.

    It's worth pointing out however, that it's really pretty rare for something not to sync up between books. Like, Kirkman's not going to write Dragon into Invincible and have him get killed, forcing Larsen to point out that it was just a multiversal duplicate. When characters cross over from one book to another, it's usually just so a creator can tip their hat to a peer, and have a character they're a fan of make an appearance.

    As a result, nothing of much consequence really happens to a character, without it happening in their own book. Like, Iron Man might make an important appearance in Captain America, setting up his next year's worth of stories, but the same thing won't happen if Witchblade appears in Dynamo 5. But, she may pop in to uppercut a badguy, chat with the protagonists, and then depart back to her own book.

    Personally, I think it's a good system. Kind of a super casual continuity.

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  • psycojesterpsycojester Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I just don't think that Spawn and Witchblade fit tonally with the Kirkmanverse. and that Savage Dragon just isn't a very good book.

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  • FuruFuru Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I just don't think that Spawn and Witchblade fit tonally with the Kirkmanverse. and that Savage Dragon just isn't a very good book.

    I'm staring at this post very intently.

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  • VirralVirral Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Out of interest to those waiting on the Ultimate Collection 4, this was posted on the image Kirkman forums the other day by the artist.

    WyA wrote:
    Well I won't go into details, I'll let Robert do that if he wants. But I do know the book has had a few problems here and there and it'll finally be turned into the printer's very soon. You won't have to wait nearly as long for the 5th hardcover though. We are thinking about getting that one out before the end of the year. Of course that means TPB's 10 and 11 need to come out first. We'll work on it.
    But hey, at least we are killing it on the monthly issues. I just started issue 62, so we are doing pretty well. It's definitely hard to do it all though. And Robert is really pushing this on-time in 09 thing, he wants all the single issues to come out on time which leaves less time to work on the reprints.

    Ryan

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  • WildcatWildcat Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Good, I am hankering for a new Ultimate Collection. Ignoring all of the Invincible spoiler-boxes is getting depressing.

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  • DeMoNDeMoN twitch.tv/toxic_cizzle Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I just started buying the trades like crazy. I'm not patient enough to wait for hardcovers.

    And I would go to the comic book store just to pick up 60, but they never seem to have Invincible. It's weird. They have Wolf-Man and Walking Dead, but no Invincible. I guess people just swoop in and pick them all up or something.

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  • Venkman90Venkman90 Registered User regular
    edited March 2009

    Oooh badass, notice in the last panel how one of the alternate Marks is dressed as a Virilumite with a tache...

    Conquest looks interesting

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  • ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2009
    Furu wrote: »
    I just don't think that Spawn and Witchblade fit tonally with the Kirkmanverse. and that Savage Dragon just isn't a very good book.

    I'm staring at this post very intently.

    yeah, i've never read it but i've also never heard anything but good stuff about savage dragon

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  • the_Willardthe_Willard Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Wildcat wrote: »
    Good, I am hankering for a new Ultimate Collection. Ignoring all of the Invincible spoiler-boxes is getting depressing.

    i can second that. :?

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  • ThisThis Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I think if you like Invincible, there's a reasonable chance that you'll like Savage Dragon. I'm pretty sure I've read that Larsen and Savage Dragon in particular is one of Kirkman's influences. Having been a Savage Dragon fan from the start, and then reading Invincible, I can definitely see it.

    Right now is coincidentally a great time to give Savage Dragon a look, as issue #145 is sort of a "fresh start" "new direction" "back to basics" kind of issue that's designed to be a good jumping on point.

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  • mattharvestmattharvest Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I have to admit, the art on Savage Dragon is quite a turn off, for me.

    Ironically, I adored the series along with Spawn back at the birth of Image Comics (so much so that I brought it when I got my Spawn 1 signed by McFarlane, in the hopes that someone from the book would be there).

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  • ThisThis Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I have to admit, the art on Savage Dragon is quite a turn off, for me.

    Ironically, I adored the series along with Spawn back at the birth of Image Comics (so much so that I brought it when I got my Spawn 1 signed by McFarlane, in the hopes that someone from the book would be there).

    I loved the shit out of it until he pulled the "Savage World" craziness with issue #76. I don't think the book has ever really recovered from that, but right now it's looking good.

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  • DMACDMAC Come at me, bro! Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited March 2009
    I've bought Savage Dragon since the original mini-series back in the 90s and haven't missed an issue. There have been stretches where I can't even remember what was going on but it's always been pretty entertaining.

    It's nice to have a book where the creator can pretty much go where he wants and let the storyline evolve organically without dealing with changes in creative teams/events/crossovers. I have to admit that I still tend to think of the character as a super-powered police officer, even though that hasn't been the case in the book for ages. I'm interested to see what it's going to be like now that he's "Back in Blue".

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  • MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    So, Invincible #60 was pretty awesome. Of all the guest stars, I think Pitt and Jack Staff got the best moments. Though I was ecstatic to see Cyberforce show up. I was a huge fan of that series as a teen.
    I was sad to see Rex bite it. He's been my favorite supporting character for a long time, and I was pretty relieved when he was shown to survive getting shot in the head by the Lizard League. I somehow doubt he'll be recovering from charging and blowing up his own skeleton though.

    Oh, and Dupli Kate having the Immortal's head thrown through her torso? Hilarious.

    I'm not sure if Kirkman really succeeded in doing an entire event condensed down to one issue, but he still told a damn fun story that involved most of the Image-verse.

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  • werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    60 was a pretty good issue in and of itself, I just think it fails at what it was trying to do and wastes a good opportunity. We didn't get anything out of having this storyline wrapped up in one issue instead of over a few issues, and in exchange we've blown through what could have been a great 3 or 4 issue run that could have really spent some time and reveled in the crazy.

    It's not bad at all, mind you, it just does a good job of showing me why a longer event can be good, as opposed to making the case for a done in one.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I really didn't like the issue. Not sure why, something about it just didn't work for me.

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  • werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    The pacing in all the fights was really off, because they kept cramming huge set piece brawls into 2 page spreads with Ottley trying to make it all work with crazy panel layouts.

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  • kdrudykdrudy Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I liked it, but yea doing something big like this in one issue keeps you from seeing the types of thing you want in comic books about superheroes. Big fights, struggles, dramatic savings-of-days, etc. I know that stuff happened because they showed that it happened at times, but they didn't show enough of it for it to really feel like it mattered.

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  • werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    kdrudy wrote: »
    I liked it, but yea doing something big like this in one issue keeps you from seeing the types of thing you want in comic books about superheroes. Big fights, struggles, dramatic savings-of-days, etc. I know that stuff happened because they showed that it happened at times, but they didn't show enough of it for it to really feel like it mattered.

    Like Rex getting a page of being a badass. That needed more than a page to do it justice. I'd have been happy with an entire issue of the fight leading up to that.

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  • werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    As a random aside, the one in the blue suit with white armor on top, where is that look from? I know I recognize it from somewhere, but it's not ringing a bell and I don't want to have to try and flip through old stuff to find it.

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  • MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    If it's the one I'm thinking of, that's the armor that was worn by the Flaxans, the aliens who age at an accelerated pace when they're in Invincible's universe.

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  • werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Yep, that's it.

    And now that I'm reading it again, the book seems even more dysfunctional with each pass. There's just so much stuff that feels like it should be important that gets at best a panel.
    Eve gets badly hurt.
    The Guardians lose a fight and Kate may or may not be dead again.
    The teen team (I guess that's what they're calling themselves) lose a fight.
    Bulletproof loses a hand.
    Eve fights an Invincible and Oliver fights 2, all three of which make it to the end.
    And that's ignoring stuff that can legitimately count as foreshadowing or seeding, with Angstrom and the last 8 Invincibles.

    It's so packed it's blasted past dense into schizophrenic.

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  • MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I kind of feel like Kirkman was trying to do something similar to Final Crisis, condensed down into a single issue. Really, it probably could have been improved immensely by being double-sized. Still, I mostly enjoyed it, even if some parts could have used a little more attention.

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  • NinjabearNinjabear Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Kirkman himself said that Invincible #60 was a pain to do in the letter section of the issue. Still it was pretty awesome and I can't wait to see the full after effects of this event in future issues.

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  • GreenGreen Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas.Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    werehippy wrote: »
    Bulletproof loses a hand.

    I did not notice this at all until I read that spoiler

    I really wanted to see more Darkness action in this issue, but I guess it's good not to see him thrashed like so many of the others at least

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