It's been a while since I played MGS2, so if this is obviously stated in the game, my apoligies. However, I was wondering at which points
[realspoiler:fc6c7e2af4]the "IT's A VR SIMULATION" begins and ends. I would imagine it begins with the Big Shell part, but I'm not sure about Snake breaking his 'cuffs/diving after Ocelot and the final sword battle and whatnot officially "happened." [/realspoiler:fc6c7e2af4]What's the cutoff point again?
It's been a while since I played MGS2, so if this is obviously stated in the game, my apoligies. However, I was wondering at which points
[realspoiler:d7c412278c]the "IT's A VR SIMULATION" begins and ends. I would imagine it begins with the Big Shell part, but I'm not sure about Snake breaking his 'cuffs/diving after Ocelot and the final sword battle and whatnot officially "happened." [/realspoiler:d7c412278c]What's the cutoff point again?
[spoiler:d7c412278c]It was never a VR simulation. It was all real, all those things really happened, but the government/gw/arsenal/whatever was all behind everything, and pulled all the strings to make it all happen. The VR training and conditioning is what came before; the powers that be (the patriots, I guess) wanted to see if they could use intensive VR training to create a soldier just as good as Solid Snake. They then agitated/manipulated all parties involved in the Big Shell incident to take action and do what they did. However, no one expected Snake and Otacon to join in. They kind of fucked the whole thing up by revealing to Raiden that he was just being groomed as a replacement for Snake himself.[/spoiler:d7c412278c]
Edit: These are all the details I remember. I haven't played the game in a few years.
God damnit, I really want MGS4. I must know how the saga ends.
...I should probably get around to replaying MGS2.
EDIT: [spoiler:4adc2d982f]This is probably the time since my last playthrough talking again, but if that's the case what's with the whole "RADIEN, TURN OFF THE GAME CONOSLE NOW" stuff? The president really did feel up Raiden? And, with the "fictitious simulation within a fictitious gameworld" VR aspect gone, that sword fight and the fight with the multiple Rays are kinda ridiculous if we're supposed to believe they "actually" happened.
..Hell, I should probably just play the game again before trying to analyze anything.[/spoiler:4adc2d982f]
...I should probably get around to replaying MGS2.
EDIT: [spoiler:b26b073eef]This is probably the time since my last playthrough talking again, but if that's the case what's with the whole "RADIEN, TURN OFF THE GAME CONOSLE NOW" stuff? The president really did feel up Raiden? And, with the "fictitious simulation within a fictitious gameworld" VR aspect gone, that sword fight and the fight with the multiple Rays are kinda ridiculous if we're supposed to believe they "actually" happened.
..Hell, I should probably just play the game again before trying to analyze anything.[/spoiler:b26b073eef]
[spoiler:b26b073eef]It sounds like those are all inspired by that "Turn off the Game Console!" thing. That's just Kojima breaking the 4th wall. It's designed more to freak the player out than to actually be part of the game. In MGS1, at one point you're told to find a codec frequency on the back of the game's case.
It's probably the Sword Fight and Arsenal Crash that lead to the fucked up world of MGS4. That mess is the reason why MGS2's ending is such a cliffhanger.
The multiple rays are explained alot, starting in the tanker chapter. The RAY units were designed for mass-production, and the Arsenal Gear had its own security force of mass-produced RAY units.[/spoiler:b26b073eef]
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[spoiler:61cff9c0b9]The multiple rays are explained alot, starting in the tanker chapter. The RAY units were designed for mass-production, and the Arsenal Gear had its own security force of mass-produced RAY units.[/spoiler:61cff9c0b9]
[spoiler:61cff9c0b9]I didn't think they were actually designed to be mass-produced like that? I mean, I thought the Patriots stole the RAY prototype from the Marines to get it out of their way, and then basically decided "what the hell, let's mass-produce them to protect our Arsenal Gear."[/spoiler:61cff9c0b9]
[spoiler:1dac62c890]The multiple rays are explained alot, starting in the tanker chapter. The RAY units were designed for mass-production, and the Arsenal Gear had its own security force of mass-produced RAY units.[/spoiler:1dac62c890]
[spoiler:1dac62c890]I didn't think they were actually designed to be mass-produced like that? I mean, I thought the Patriots stole the RAY prototype from the Marines to get it out of their way, and then basically decided "what the hell, let's mass-produce them to protect our Arsenal Gear."[/spoiler:1dac62c890]
[spoiler:1dac62c890]I haven't played the game in many years, but I remember Otacon saying during the Tanker that the RAY was designed to be cheap, portable, and efficient for mass production. But maybe that didn't happen, or maybe it was just in the ZOE demo I played over and over and over many moons ago.[/spoiler:1dac62c890]
Hmm, I love MGS2 quite a bit more than MGS3. I'm glad I finally found a copy of Substance for PS2.
Man, I just played through MGS2 twice in the last month, you would think I could remember these details a little better... Here's a minor detail that seems like it might be worth mentioning.
[spoiler:fd1f6b723c]The Metal Gear RAY from the Tanker had that Marines logo on it and was one-of-a-kind, but the mass-produced RAYs at the end had Navy logos on them instead. This was mentioned at some point when Arsenal Gear is first discussed, perhaps by the President. I believe you can see the logos for yourself when you fight them.[/spoiler:fd1f6b723c]
[spoiler:ba683e0fd4]The multiple rays are explained alot, starting in the tanker chapter. The RAY units were designed for mass-production, and the Arsenal Gear had its own security force of mass-produced RAY units.[/spoiler:ba683e0fd4]
[spoiler:ba683e0fd4]I didn't think they were actually designed to be mass-produced like that? I mean, I thought the Patriots stole the RAY prototype from the Marines to get it out of their way, and then basically decided "what the hell, let's mass-produce them to protect our Arsenal Gear."[/spoiler:ba683e0fd4]
[spoiler:ba683e0fd4]I haven't played the game in many years, but I remember Otacon saying during the Tanker that the RAY was designed to be cheap, portable, and efficient for mass production. But maybe that didn't happen, or maybe it was just in the ZOE demo I played over and over and over many moons ago.[/spoiler:ba683e0fd4]
Hmm, I love MGS2 quite a bit more than MGS3. I'm glad I finally found a copy of Substance for PS2.
[spoiler:ba683e0fd4]Nope, the RAY from the Tanker was one of a kind. The ones in Arsenal are mass produced (which is why they were so easily destroyed).
As for Darlan's questions:
The "Raiden, turn off the game console" stuff was just GW being affected by the virus Emma inserted into its system. It just took a while for it to kick in.
Yes, the President did feel up Raiden as he wasn't sure whether Raiden was a guy or a girl. In short it's a joke, straight from Kojima.
As for the last question, what the hell are you talking about? The Ray and Solidus fights DID happen. If you're talking about the locations of the fight, the Ray fight is pretty clearly in a very large room inside Arsenal. The fight with Solidus? Arsenal crashing through New York was cut out because of 9/11 and that's why they suddenly appear in the middle of the city.
Lastly, why are we talking in spoilers? I spoiled my post because all you guys did but MGS2 has been out for over 5 years now, I don't think we need to spoiler discussion of it (especially in a MG thread).[/spoiler:ba683e0fd4]
[spoiler:adb413734f]The multiple rays are explained alot, starting in the tanker chapter. The RAY units were designed for mass-production, and the Arsenal Gear had its own security force of mass-produced RAY units.[/spoiler:adb413734f]
[spoiler:adb413734f]I didn't think they were actually designed to be mass-produced like that? I mean, I thought the Patriots stole the RAY prototype from the Marines to get it out of their way, and then basically decided "what the hell, let's mass-produce them to protect our Arsenal Gear."[/spoiler:adb413734f]
[spoiler:adb413734f]I haven't played the game in many years, but I remember Otacon saying during the Tanker that the RAY was designed to be cheap, portable, and efficient for mass production. But maybe that didn't happen, or maybe it was just in the ZOE demo I played over and over and over many moons ago.[/spoiler:adb413734f]
Hmm, I love MGS2 quite a bit more than MGS3. I'm glad I finally found a copy of Substance for PS2.
[spoiler:adb413734f]Nope, the RAY from the Tanker was one of a kind. The ones in Arsenal are mass produced (which is why they were so easily destroyed).
As for Darlan's questions:
The "Raiden, turn off the game console" stuff was just GW being affected by the virus Emma inserted into its system. It just took a while for it to kick in.
Yes, the President did feel up Raiden as he wasn't sure whether Raiden was a guy or a girl. In short it's a joke, straight from Kojima.
As for the last question, what the hell are you talking about? The Ray and Solidus fights DID happen. If you're talking about the locations of the fight, the Ray fight is pretty clearly in a very large room inside Arsenal. The fight with Solidus? Arsenal crashing through New York was cut out because of 9/11 and that's why they suddenly appear in the middle of the city.
Lastly, why are we talking in spoilers? I spoiled my post because all you guys did but MGS2 has been out for over 5 years now, I don't think we need to spoiler discussion of it (especially in a MG thread).[/spoiler:adb413734f]
aett: That is pretty cool, I didn't notice that.
Good point.
What I meant about the Solidus fight is that we don't know the real rammifications of Arsenal crashing through New York. All we know is that Snake and Raiden both kind of disapear into the chaos, and then.....
What I meant about the Solidus fight is that we have two dudes who, after getting off a big weapon of doom in the middle of New York City, choose to duke it out on top of a building with a sword and such-it seems a tad unbelievable. I know the series is sometimes purposely campy and sci-fi-ish, it seems to break my personal suspension of disbelief that I set for the series. It just seemed a little too out there.
What I meant about the Solidus fight is that we don't know the real rammifications of Arsenal crashing through New York. All we know is that Snake and Raiden both kind of disapear into the chaos, and then.....
...We get surprised with a half-hearted prequel.
Man, Metal Gear Solid 3 was using its whole heart...
What I meant about the Solidus fight is that we don't know the real rammifications of Arsenal crashing through New York. All we know is that Snake and Raiden both kind of disapear into the chaos, and then.....
...We get surprised with a half-hearted prequel.
Man, Metal Gear Solid 3 was using its whole heart...
Maybe subsistence was, I haven't played with the new camera yet.
But Snake Eater let me down more than X-Men 3 did. Which says alot.
What I meant about the Solidus fight is that we don't know the real rammifications of Arsenal crashing through New York. All we know is that Snake and Raiden both kind of disapear into the chaos, and then.....
...We get surprised with a half-hearted prequel.
Man, Metal Gear Solid 3 was using its whole heart...
Maybe subsistence was, I haven't played with the new camera yet.
But Snake Eater let me down more than X-Men 3 did. Which says alot.
I'll say this, if the camera was your major gripe with Snake Eater, you really owe it to yourself to try Subsistence. It's every bit the improvement I wanted, and I didn't particuarly mind the Snake Eater perspective in the first place.
What I meant about the Solidus fight is that we don't know the real rammifications of Arsenal crashing through New York. All we know is that Snake and Raiden both kind of disapear into the chaos, and then.....
...We get surprised with a half-hearted prequel.
Man, Metal Gear Solid 3 was using its whole heart...
Maybe subsistence was, I haven't played with the new camera yet.
But Snake Eater let me down more than X-Men 3 did. Which says alot.
I'll say this, if the camera was your major gripe with Snake Eater, you really owe it to yourself to try Subsistence. It's every bit the improvement I wanted, and I didn't particuarly mind the Snake Eater perspective in the first place.
I just spent a week or two hunting down copies of both Substance and Subsistence. At this point, I own every Metal Gear title released since MGS, with the exception of Xbox (MGS2S) and PC ports(MGS1,MGS2S).
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What I meant about the Solidus fight is that we don't know the real rammifications of Arsenal crashing through New York. All we know is that Snake and Raiden both kind of disapear into the chaos, and then.....
...We get surprised with a half-hearted prequel.
Man, Metal Gear Solid 3 was using its whole heart...
Maybe subsistence was, I haven't played with the new camera yet.
But Snake Eater let me down more than X-Men 3 did. Which says alot.
I'll say this, if the camera was your major gripe with Snake Eater, you really owe it to yourself to try Subsistence. It's every bit the improvement I wanted, and I didn't particuarly mind the Snake Eater perspective in the first place.
Personally I didn't think the camera was a big deal at all. And the only part of the game where I really, really wanted to use the free camera doesn't even let you use it (the final boss).
But if MGS4 were to come out on 360, I imagine a premium bundle would only be $300 by that point. And I'm poor, so...
I even got a PSP for AC!D, and played through AC!D 1 and AC!D 2.
And Ghost Babel is quite possibly my favorite MG ever.
And while I'm just kind of saying things to fight of 4AM boredom, I'll say that I really hope the Wii gets a Metal Gear of some sort (preferentially one that's not Kojima-Headed, so the man can go do something else for awhile). It seems so wrong to have Snake in Smash Bros. Here's my nitpick: MGS1 Snake would work, from Twin Snakes and Ghost Babel. MGS2 Snake does not...
But if MGS4 were to come out on 360, I imagine a premium bundle would only be $300 by that point. And I'm poor, so...
I even got a PSP for AC!D, and played through AC!D 1 and AC!D 2.
And Ghost Babel is quite possibly my favorite MG ever.
And while I'm just kind of saying things to fight of 4AM boredom, I'll say that I really hope the Wii gets a Metal Gear of some sort (preferentially one that's not Kojima-Headed, so the man can go do something else for awhile). It seems so wrong to have Snake in Smash Bros. Here's my nitpick: MGS1 Snake would work, from Twin Snakes and Ghost Babel. MGS2 Snake does not...
Metal Gear isn't going to the Wii, it's pretty simple. Kojima has said multiple times that if he develops a game for the Wii or 360, it'll be a completely original IP.
Also, any talk of a 360 port is pointless. At this point in time, it's not happening.
But if MGS4 were to come out on 360, I imagine a premium bundle would only be $300 by that point. And I'm poor, so...
I even got a PSP for AC!D, and played through AC!D 1 and AC!D 2.
And Ghost Babel is quite possibly my favorite MG ever.
And while I'm just kind of saying things to fight of 4AM boredom, I'll say that I really hope the Wii gets a Metal Gear of some sort (preferentially one that's not Kojima-Headed, so the man can go do something else for awhile). It seems so wrong to have Snake in Smash Bros. Here's my nitpick: MGS1 Snake would work, from Twin Snakes and Ghost Babel. MGS2 Snake does not...
Metal Gear isn't going to the Wii, it's pretty simple. Kojima has said multiple times that if he develops a game for the Wii or 360, it'll be a completely original IP.
Also, any talk of a 360 port is pointless. At this point in time, it's not happening.
Hypothetically, if Kojima wishes not to port MGS4, but Konami does, aren't they quite within their rights to hand off the development of a 360 version to any number of other studios? Legally speaking, does Kojima even count?
But if MGS4 were to come out on 360, I imagine a premium bundle would only be $300 by that point. And I'm poor, so...
I even got a PSP for AC!D, and played through AC!D 1 and AC!D 2.
And Ghost Babel is quite possibly my favorite MG ever.
And while I'm just kind of saying things to fight of 4AM boredom, I'll say that I really hope the Wii gets a Metal Gear of some sort (preferentially one that's not Kojima-Headed, so the man can go do something else for awhile). It seems so wrong to have Snake in Smash Bros. Here's my nitpick: MGS1 Snake would work, from Twin Snakes and Ghost Babel. MGS2 Snake does not...
Metal Gear isn't going to the Wii, it's pretty simple. Kojima has said multiple times that if he develops a game for the Wii or 360, it'll be a completely original IP.
Also, any talk of a 360 port is pointless. At this point in time, it's not happening.
Hypothetically, if Kojima wishes not to port MGS4, but Konami does, aren't they quite within their rights to hand off the development of a 360 version to any number of other studios? Legally speaking, does Kojima even count?
Of course that's within their rights, they own Metal Gear's license. But would they actually risk pissing Kojima off by forcing him to make the port? I'd say probably not. This isn't like the situation between Capcom and Mikami, Kojima is Konami's premier game designer.
So no, I don't really think it's going to happen. And if it does, I don't expect the port to be handled by anyone at Kojima Productions (and that's not a good thing).
But if MGS4 were to come out on 360, I imagine a premium bundle would only be $300 by that point. And I'm poor, so...
I even got a PSP for AC!D, and played through AC!D 1 and AC!D 2.
And Ghost Babel is quite possibly my favorite MG ever.
And while I'm just kind of saying things to fight of 4AM boredom, I'll say that I really hope the Wii gets a Metal Gear of some sort (preferentially one that's not Kojima-Headed, so the man can go do something else for awhile). It seems so wrong to have Snake in Smash Bros. Here's my nitpick: MGS1 Snake would work, from Twin Snakes and Ghost Babel. MGS2 Snake does not...
Metal Gear isn't going to the Wii, it's pretty simple. Kojima has said multiple times that if he develops a game for the Wii or 360, it'll be a completely original IP.
Also, any talk of a 360 port is pointless. At this point in time, it's not happening.
premiere designer or no, he still has to make money. if the ps3's sale trend continues into next year they might have to port it to 360 to make money
Ok, so I just beat Portable Ops today. Time to discuss the ending. As usual, Kojima poses more questions than gives answers, and I'm left not knowing what the hell just happened.
[realspoiler:c54967f0aa]So at the end of the game, Ocelot steals the rest of the legacy and goes on to help form the Patriots. At the very end of the game, he talks on the phone with another unknown party, who is presumably a female. Am I correct to assume that this could be Eva he is talking to? After all, the timeline given at the end of MGS3 states that Eva went "missing."[/realspoiler:c54967f0aa]
Ok, so I just beat Portable Ops today. Time to discuss the ending. As usual, Kojima poses more questions than gives answers, and I'm left not knowing what the hell just happened.
[realspoiler:c43a9b49bd]So at the end of the game, Ocelot steals the rest of the legacy and goes on to help form the Patriots. At the very end of the game, he talks on the phone with another unknown party, who is presumably a female. Am I correct to assume that this could be Eva he is talking to? After all, the timeline given at the end of MGS3 states that Eva went "missing."[/realspoiler:c43a9b49bd]
I just assumed he was talking to [realspoiler:c43a9b49bd]Major Zero. Since based on what Gene said earlier in the game we assume that's who is offering a lot of the funding.[/realspoiler:c43a9b49bd]
Ok, so I just beat Portable Ops today. Time to discuss the ending. As usual, Kojima poses more questions than gives answers, and I'm left not knowing what the hell just happened.
[realspoiler:f4dc178e9e]So at the end of the game, Ocelot steals the rest of the legacy and goes on to help form the Patriots. At the very end of the game, he talks on the phone with another unknown party, who is presumably a female. Am I correct to assume that this could be Eva he is talking to? After all, the timeline given at the end of MGS3 states that Eva went "missing."[/realspoiler:f4dc178e9e]
I just assumed he was talking to [realspoiler:f4dc178e9e]Major Zero. Since based on what Gene said earlier in the game we assume that's who is offering a lot of the funding.[/realspoiler:f4dc178e9e]
[realspoiler:f4dc178e9e]Bingo. Also, when they talk about the mystery backer, it looked like a man with an eye scar.
Eva doesn't make too much sense as she knew neither Boss nor Volgin and does not have the resources or power to have planned Snake Eater.[/realspoiler:f4dc178e9e]
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Ok, so I just beat Portable Ops today. Time to discuss the ending. As usual, Kojima poses more questions than gives answers, and I'm left not knowing what the hell just happened.
[realspoiler:5b4c790f2d]So at the end of the game, Ocelot steals the rest of the legacy and goes on to help form the Patriots. At the very end of the game, he talks on the phone with another unknown party, who is presumably a female. Am I correct to assume that this could be Eva he is talking to? After all, the timeline given at the end of MGS3 states that Eva went "missing."[/realspoiler:5b4c790f2d]
I just assumed he was talking to [realspoiler:5b4c790f2d]Major Zero. Since based on what Gene said earlier in the game we assume that's who is offering a lot of the funding.[/realspoiler:5b4c790f2d]
[realspoiler:5b4c790f2d]Bingo. Also, when they talk about the mystery backer, it looked like a man with an eye scar.
Eva doesn't make too much sense as she knew neither Boss nor Volgin and does not have the resources or power to have planned Snake Eater.[/realspoiler:5b4c790f2d]
[realspoiler:5b4c790f2d]I could have sworn somewhere in the phone conversation Ocelot referred the the person he was speaking to as a woman.... I need to find me a script or something and go over that.
Also, I guess its now safe to assume that Big Boss is a founding member of the patriots. But now this confuses me even more, since Otacon states at the end of MGS2 the all of the patriots have been dead for 200(?) years. What am I missing?[/realspoiler:5b4c790f2d]
Ok, so I just beat Portable Ops today. Time to discuss the ending. As usual, Kojima poses more questions than gives answers, and I'm left not knowing what the hell just happened.
[realspoiler:a786d99279]So at the end of the game, Ocelot steals the rest of the legacy and goes on to help form the Patriots. At the very end of the game, he talks on the phone with another unknown party, who is presumably a female. Am I correct to assume that this could be Eva he is talking to? After all, the timeline given at the end of MGS3 states that Eva went "missing."[/realspoiler:a786d99279]
I just assumed he was talking to [realspoiler:a786d99279]Major Zero. Since based on what Gene said earlier in the game we assume that's who is offering a lot of the funding.[/realspoiler:a786d99279]
[realspoiler:a786d99279]Bingo. Also, when they talk about the mystery backer, it looked like a man with an eye scar.
Eva doesn't make too much sense as she knew neither Boss nor Volgin and does not have the resources or power to have planned Snake Eater.[/realspoiler:a786d99279]
[realspoiler:a786d99279]I could have sworn somewhere in the phone conversation Ocelot referred the the person he was speaking to as a woman.... I need to find me a script or something and go over that.
Also, I guess its now safe to assume that Big Boss is a founding member of the patriots. But now this confuses me even more, since Otacon states at the end of MGS2 the all of the patriots have been dead for 200(?) years. What am I missing?[/realspoiler:a786d99279]
[realspoiler:a786d99279]He never actually joins them though, all Ocelot says is he wants Big Boss to join them. That could just be a strange way of phrasing that he wants BIg Boss to be part of Les Enfants what with all the gene talk going on before that.
I don't think Big Boss would want to be in league with these men who've been using him as a pawn and set up the most emotional parts of his life. We can't really know this yet, though.
But if MGS4 were to come out on 360, I imagine a premium bundle would only be $300 by that point. And I'm poor, so...
I even got a PSP for AC!D, and played through AC!D 1 and AC!D 2.
And Ghost Babel is quite possibly my favorite MG ever.
And while I'm just kind of saying things to fight of 4AM boredom, I'll say that I really hope the Wii gets a Metal Gear of some sort (preferentially one that's not Kojima-Headed, so the man can go do something else for awhile). It seems so wrong to have Snake in Smash Bros. Here's my nitpick: MGS1 Snake would work, from Twin Snakes and Ghost Babel. MGS2 Snake does not...
Metal Gear isn't going to the Wii, it's pretty simple. Kojima has said multiple times that if he develops a game for the Wii or 360, it'll be a completely original IP.
Also, any talk of a 360 port is pointless. At this point in time, it's not happening.
premiere designer or no, he still has to make money. if the ps3's sale trend continues into next year they might have to port it to 360 to make money
And what sales trends are these? One's you made up?
There will be plenty of PS3 units out there by the time MGS4 comes out, stop with the doom and gloom already.
premiere designer or no, he still has to make money. if the ps3's sale trend continues into next year they might have to port it to 360 to make money
And what sales trends are these? One's you made up?
There will be plenty of PS3 units out there by the time MGS4 comes out, stop with the doom and gloom already.
Agreed - there are roughly 1.2 Million PS3s in the wild right now, with the majority of them in the homes of folks out there. In two months. So if the sale trend continues that puts the PS3 at over 8 million installed units by the end of the year. How many copies did MGS3 sell? Think there'll be enough PS3s to support that number again?
I do.
MGS has always felt more "PlayStation" to me. Just like I wouldn't want Halo on the PS3, I don't want to play MGS on my 360.
premiere designer or no, he still has to make money. if the ps3's sale trend continues into next year they might have to port it to 360 to make money
And what sales trends are these? One's you made up?
There will be plenty of PS3 units out there by the time MGS4 comes out, stop with the doom and gloom already.
Agreed - there are roughly 1.2 Million PS3s in the wild right now, with the majority of them in the homes of folks out there. In two months. So if the sale trend continues that puts the PS3 at over 8 million installed units by the end of the year. How many copies did MGS3 sell? Think there'll be enough PS3s to support that number again?
I do.
MGS has always felt more "PlayStation" to me. Just like I wouldn't want Halo on the PS3, I don't want to play MGS on my 360.
The install base for the PS2 was much larger by the time MGS3 came out than the PS3's base will be by the time MGS4 releases.
Also: I just finished Portable Ops last night. HOT. So hot.
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Ok, so I just beat Portable Ops today. Time to discuss the ending. As usual, Kojima poses more questions than gives answers, and I'm left not knowing what the hell just happened.
[realspoiler:7d912586e2]So at the end of the game, Ocelot steals the rest of the legacy and goes on to help form the Patriots. At the very end of the game, he talks on the phone with another unknown party, who is presumably a female. Am I correct to assume that this could be Eva he is talking to? After all, the timeline given at the end of MGS3 states that Eva went "missing."[/realspoiler:7d912586e2]
I just assumed he was talking to [realspoiler:7d912586e2]Major Zero. Since based on what Gene said earlier in the game we assume that's who is offering a lot of the funding.[/realspoiler:7d912586e2]
[realspoiler:7d912586e2]Bingo. Also, when they talk about the mystery backer, it looked like a man with an eye scar.
Eva doesn't make too much sense as she knew neither Boss nor Volgin and does not have the resources or power to have planned Snake Eater.[/realspoiler:7d912586e2]
[realspoiler:7d912586e2]I could have sworn somewhere in the phone conversation Ocelot referred the the person he was speaking to as a woman.... I need to find me a script or something and go over that.
Also, I guess its now safe to assume that Big Boss is a founding member of the patriots. But now this confuses me even more, since Otacon states at the end of MGS2 the all of the patriots have been dead for 200(?) years. What am I missing?[/realspoiler:7d912586e2]
[realspoiler:7d912586e2] as regards to the patriots being dead for 200 years, I always thought that was the computer crashing- you know, arsenal gear. it presented wrong documents, the major started talking crazy, etc.
also, why do people think it's major zero? why would he do something like that? [/realspoiler:7d912586e2]
Ok, so I just beat Portable Ops today. Time to discuss the ending. As usual, Kojima poses more questions than gives answers, and I'm left not knowing what the hell just happened.
[realspoiler:f03ebfd139]So at the end of the game, Ocelot steals the rest of the legacy and goes on to help form the Patriots. At the very end of the game, he talks on the phone with another unknown party, who is presumably a female. Am I correct to assume that this could be Eva he is talking to? After all, the timeline given at the end of MGS3 states that Eva went "missing."[/realspoiler:f03ebfd139]
I just assumed he was talking to [realspoiler:f03ebfd139]Major Zero. Since based on what Gene said earlier in the game we assume that's who is offering a lot of the funding.[/realspoiler:f03ebfd139]
[realspoiler:f03ebfd139]Bingo. Also, when they talk about the mystery backer, it looked like a man with an eye scar.
Eva doesn't make too much sense as she knew neither Boss nor Volgin and does not have the resources or power to have planned Snake Eater.[/realspoiler:f03ebfd139]
[realspoiler:f03ebfd139]I could have sworn somewhere in the phone conversation Ocelot referred the the person he was speaking to as a woman.... I need to find me a script or something and go over that.
Also, I guess its now safe to assume that Big Boss is a founding member of the patriots. But now this confuses me even more, since Otacon states at the end of MGS2 the all of the patriots have been dead for 200(?) years. What am I missing?[/realspoiler:f03ebfd139]
[realspoiler:f03ebfd139] as regards to the patriots being dead for 200 years, I always thought that was the computer crashing- you know, arsenal gear. it presented wrong documents, the major started talking crazy, etc.
also, why do people think it's major zero? why would he do something like that? [/realspoiler:f03ebfd139]
[realspoiler:f03ebfd139]"...the man with the same code name as Null..." Null is German for Zero. Frank Jeager spoke German.
Remember when Zero gave Snake the question and answer to look for when talking to Adam and Eve in Snake Eater?
"Who are the Patriots?"
"La Li Lu Le Lo."[/realspoiler:f03ebfd139]
Ok, so I just beat Portable Ops today. Time to discuss the ending. As usual, Kojima poses more questions than gives answers, and I'm left not knowing what the hell just happened.
[realspoiler:3e406bab81]So at the end of the game, Ocelot steals the rest of the legacy and goes on to help form the Patriots. At the very end of the game, he talks on the phone with another unknown party, who is presumably a female. Am I correct to assume that this could be Eva he is talking to? After all, the timeline given at the end of MGS3 states that Eva went "missing."[/realspoiler:3e406bab81]
I just assumed he was talking to [realspoiler:3e406bab81]Major Zero. Since based on what Gene said earlier in the game we assume that's who is offering a lot of the funding.[/realspoiler:3e406bab81]
[realspoiler:3e406bab81]Bingo. Also, when they talk about the mystery backer, it looked like a man with an eye scar.
Eva doesn't make too much sense as she knew neither Boss nor Volgin and does not have the resources or power to have planned Snake Eater.[/realspoiler:3e406bab81]
[realspoiler:3e406bab81]I could have sworn somewhere in the phone conversation Ocelot referred the the person he was speaking to as a woman.... I need to find me a script or something and go over that.
Also, I guess its now safe to assume that Big Boss is a founding member of the patriots. But now this confuses me even more, since Otacon states at the end of MGS2 the all of the patriots have been dead for 200(?) years. What am I missing?[/realspoiler:3e406bab81]
[realspoiler:3e406bab81] as regards to the patriots being dead for 200 years, I always thought that was the computer crashing- you know, arsenal gear. it presented wrong documents, the major started talking crazy, etc.
also, why do people think it's major zero? why would he do something like that? [/realspoiler:3e406bab81]
[realspoiler:3e406bab81]"...the man with the same code name as Null..." Null is German for Zero. Frank Jeager spoke German.
Remember when Zero gave Snake the question and answer to look for when talking to Adam and Eve in Snake Eater?
"Who are the Patriots?"
"La Li Lu Le Lo."[/realspoiler:3e406bab81]
[realspoiler:3e406bab81]Ooooh so thats the connection with major zero. I had always wondered why that was the question and answer for Snake to find Adam and Eve, but what exactly is the significance of "La Li Lu Le Lo?" What do those words actually mean?
[speculation]Also, we might be able to say that Adam is the father of the patriots. Would it then be possible that Eve/Eva be the mother?[/speculation] I'm sorry, I can't get past the fact that Eva isn't involved. After all, isn't she playable in portable ops? [/realspoiler:3e406bab81]
[realspoiler:b56f268e34]Well Eva is playable...and so are the Acid girls, Teliko and Venus. It's cool that they allowed you to recruit so many characters, but I dont' think it's a sign of anything. Especially since she isn't mentioned in the game.
Besides Eva wasn't Eve. Eve never showed up and Eva just pretended to be that individual. She was never an NSA codebreaker, if my memory serves me right. Besides, the codename Eve doesn't have to be for a female.
Plus she worked for the Chinese philsophers. I'm not saying it's outside the realm of possibility, I just don't think there's any evidence to support Eva being involved in the events of this game, much less one of the creators of the Patriots.
Whereas there's references and depictions of Zero which aren't flashback related.[/realspoiler:b56f268e34]
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So, I'm on the fourth, I think, boss in MPO:
[spoiler:aca9326716]The second time you fight Null. He's kicking my ass. I've been trying to tranq him, though. I think I would have a lot less trouble if I used the shotgun and RPG, but I always try to stamina kill bosses. Anybody have any tips? Is it possible to CQC him?
It seems essentially the same as the first fight, only there's not really a good spot to snipe him from (with the Mosin) like I did in the first one, so I don't have a good strategy.[/spoiler:aca9326716]
So, I'm on the fourth, I think, boss in MPO:
[spoiler:c60ed7e8f3]The second time you fight Null. He's kicking my ass. I've been trying to tranq him, though. I think I would have a lot less trouble if I used the shotgun and RPG, but I always try to stamina kill bosses. Anybody have any tips? Is it possible to CQC him?
It seems essentially the same as the first fight, only there's not really a good spot to snipe him from (with the Mosin) like I did in the first one, so I don't have a good strategy.[/spoiler:c60ed7e8f3]
[spoiler:c60ed7e8f3]Isn't there a ladder somewhere?[/spoiler:c60ed7e8f3]
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A game or maybe even an anime.
[realspoiler:fc6c7e2af4]the "IT's A VR SIMULATION" begins and ends. I would imagine it begins with the Big Shell part, but I'm not sure about Snake breaking his 'cuffs/diving after Ocelot and the final sword battle and whatnot officially "happened." [/realspoiler:fc6c7e2af4]What's the cutoff point again?
[spoiler:d7c412278c]It was never a VR simulation. It was all real, all those things really happened, but the government/gw/arsenal/whatever was all behind everything, and pulled all the strings to make it all happen. The VR training and conditioning is what came before; the powers that be (the patriots, I guess) wanted to see if they could use intensive VR training to create a soldier just as good as Solid Snake. They then agitated/manipulated all parties involved in the Big Shell incident to take action and do what they did. However, no one expected Snake and Otacon to join in. They kind of fucked the whole thing up by revealing to Raiden that he was just being groomed as a replacement for Snake himself.[/spoiler:d7c412278c]
Edit: These are all the details I remember. I haven't played the game in a few years.
God damnit, I really want MGS4. I must know how the saga ends.
...I should probably get around to replaying MGS2.
EDIT: [spoiler:4adc2d982f]This is probably the time since my last playthrough talking again, but if that's the case what's with the whole "RADIEN, TURN OFF THE GAME CONOSLE NOW" stuff? The president really did feel up Raiden? And, with the "fictitious simulation within a fictitious gameworld" VR aspect gone, that sword fight and the fight with the multiple Rays are kinda ridiculous if we're supposed to believe they "actually" happened.
..Hell, I should probably just play the game again before trying to analyze anything.[/spoiler:4adc2d982f]
It's pretty funny, actually.
[spoiler:b26b073eef]It sounds like those are all inspired by that "Turn off the Game Console!" thing. That's just Kojima breaking the 4th wall. It's designed more to freak the player out than to actually be part of the game. In MGS1, at one point you're told to find a codec frequency on the back of the game's case.
It's probably the Sword Fight and Arsenal Crash that lead to the fucked up world of MGS4. That mess is the reason why MGS2's ending is such a cliffhanger.
The multiple rays are explained alot, starting in the tanker chapter. The RAY units were designed for mass-production, and the Arsenal Gear had its own security force of mass-produced RAY units.[/spoiler:b26b073eef]
[spoiler:1dac62c890]I haven't played the game in many years, but I remember Otacon saying during the Tanker that the RAY was designed to be cheap, portable, and efficient for mass production. But maybe that didn't happen, or maybe it was just in the ZOE demo I played over and over and over many moons ago.[/spoiler:1dac62c890]
Hmm, I love MGS2 quite a bit more than MGS3. I'm glad I finally found a copy of Substance for PS2.
[spoiler:fd1f6b723c]The Metal Gear RAY from the Tanker had that Marines logo on it and was one-of-a-kind, but the mass-produced RAYs at the end had Navy logos on them instead. This was mentioned at some point when Arsenal Gear is first discussed, perhaps by the President. I believe you can see the logos for yourself when you fight them.[/spoiler:fd1f6b723c]
As for Darlan's questions:
The "Raiden, turn off the game console" stuff was just GW being affected by the virus Emma inserted into its system. It just took a while for it to kick in.
Yes, the President did feel up Raiden as he wasn't sure whether Raiden was a guy or a girl. In short it's a joke, straight from Kojima.
As for the last question, what the hell are you talking about? The Ray and Solidus fights DID happen. If you're talking about the locations of the fight, the Ray fight is pretty clearly in a very large room inside Arsenal. The fight with Solidus? Arsenal crashing through New York was cut out because of 9/11 and that's why they suddenly appear in the middle of the city.
Lastly, why are we talking in spoilers? I spoiled my post because all you guys did but MGS2 has been out for over 5 years now, I don't think we need to spoiler discussion of it (especially in a MG thread).[/spoiler:ba683e0fd4]
aett: That is pretty cool, I didn't notice that.
Good point.
What I meant about the Solidus fight is that we don't know the real rammifications of Arsenal crashing through New York. All we know is that Snake and Raiden both kind of disapear into the chaos, and then.....
...We get surprised with a half-hearted prequel.
:^:
Man, Metal Gear Solid 3 was using its whole heart...
Maybe subsistence was, I haven't played with the new camera yet.
But Snake Eater let me down more than X-Men 3 did. Which says alot.
I'll say this, if the camera was your major gripe with Snake Eater, you really owe it to yourself to try Subsistence. It's every bit the improvement I wanted, and I didn't particuarly mind the Snake Eater perspective in the first place.
I just spent a week or two hunting down copies of both Substance and Subsistence. At this point, I own every Metal Gear title released since MGS, with the exception of Xbox (MGS2S) and PC ports(MGS1,MGS2S).
I kind of want all my games on one console.
But if MGS4 were to come out on 360, I imagine a premium bundle would only be $300 by that point. And I'm poor, so...
I even got a PSP for AC!D, and played through AC!D 1 and AC!D 2.
And Ghost Babel is quite possibly my favorite MG ever.
And while I'm just kind of saying things to fight of 4AM boredom, I'll say that I really hope the Wii gets a Metal Gear of some sort (preferentially one that's not Kojima-Headed, so the man can go do something else for awhile). It seems so wrong to have Snake in Smash Bros. Here's my nitpick: MGS1 Snake would work, from Twin Snakes and Ghost Babel. MGS2 Snake does not...
Also, any talk of a 360 port is pointless. At this point in time, it's not happening.
Hypothetically, if Kojima wishes not to port MGS4, but Konami does, aren't they quite within their rights to hand off the development of a 360 version to any number of other studios? Legally speaking, does Kojima even count?
So no, I don't really think it's going to happen. And if it does, I don't expect the port to be handled by anyone at Kojima Productions (and that's not a good thing).
[realspoiler:c54967f0aa]So at the end of the game, Ocelot steals the rest of the legacy and goes on to help form the Patriots. At the very end of the game, he talks on the phone with another unknown party, who is presumably a female. Am I correct to assume that this could be Eva he is talking to? After all, the timeline given at the end of MGS3 states that Eva went "missing."[/realspoiler:c54967f0aa]
Eva doesn't make too much sense as she knew neither Boss nor Volgin and does not have the resources or power to have planned Snake Eater.[/realspoiler:f4dc178e9e]
Also, I guess its now safe to assume that Big Boss is a founding member of the patriots. But now this confuses me even more, since Otacon states at the end of MGS2 the all of the patriots have been dead for 200(?) years. What am I missing?[/realspoiler:5b4c790f2d]
I don't think Big Boss would want to be in league with these men who've been using him as a pawn and set up the most emotional parts of his life. We can't really know this yet, though.
Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnKg4wF5V2w
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There will be plenty of PS3 units out there by the time MGS4 comes out, stop with the doom and gloom already.
Agreed - there are roughly 1.2 Million PS3s in the wild right now, with the majority of them in the homes of folks out there. In two months. So if the sale trend continues that puts the PS3 at over 8 million installed units by the end of the year. How many copies did MGS3 sell? Think there'll be enough PS3s to support that number again?
I do.
MGS has always felt more "PlayStation" to me. Just like I wouldn't want Halo on the PS3, I don't want to play MGS on my 360.
Also: I just finished Portable Ops last night. HOT. So hot.
[realspoiler:7d912586e2] as regards to the patriots being dead for 200 years, I always thought that was the computer crashing- you know, arsenal gear. it presented wrong documents, the major started talking crazy, etc.
also, why do people think it's major zero? why would he do something like that?
Remember when Zero gave Snake the question and answer to look for when talking to Adam and Eve in Snake Eater?
"Who are the Patriots?"
"La Li Lu Le Lo."[/realspoiler:f03ebfd139]
[speculation]Also, we might be able to say that Adam is the father of the patriots. Would it then be possible that Eve/Eva be the mother?[/speculation] I'm sorry, I can't get past the fact that Eva isn't involved. After all, isn't she playable in portable ops? [/realspoiler:3e406bab81]
Besides Eva wasn't Eve. Eve never showed up and Eva just pretended to be that individual. She was never an NSA codebreaker, if my memory serves me right. Besides, the codename Eve doesn't have to be for a female.
Plus she worked for the Chinese philsophers. I'm not saying it's outside the realm of possibility, I just don't think there's any evidence to support Eva being involved in the events of this game, much less one of the creators of the Patriots.
Whereas there's references and depictions of Zero which aren't flashback related.[/realspoiler:b56f268e34]
[spoiler:aca9326716]The second time you fight Null. He's kicking my ass. I've been trying to tranq him, though. I think I would have a lot less trouble if I used the shotgun and RPG, but I always try to stamina kill bosses. Anybody have any tips? Is it possible to CQC him?
It seems essentially the same as the first fight, only there's not really a good spot to snipe him from (with the Mosin) like I did in the first one, so I don't have a good strategy.[/spoiler:aca9326716]