So, I'm on the fourth, I think, boss in MPO:
[spoiler:dd8053883e]The second time you fight Null. He's kicking my ass. I've been trying to tranq him, though. I think I would have a lot less trouble if I used the shotgun and RPG, but I always try to stamina kill bosses. Anybody have any tips? Is it possible to CQC him?
It seems essentially the same as the first fight, only there's not really a good spot to snipe him from (with the Mosin) like I did in the first one, so I don't have a good strategy.[/spoiler:dd8053883e]
[spoiler:dd8053883e]Isn't there a ladder somewhere?[/spoiler:dd8053883e]
[spoiler:dd8053883e]Yeah. But he finds me too quickly. In the first one, I managed to find a spot where even after I shot him, he had to run a really long way to get to me, so I managed to get in three shots and beat him before he caught me.[/spoiler:dd8053883e]
So, I'm on the fourth, I think, boss in MPO:
[spoiler:5aeefe4b4a]The second time you fight Null. He's kicking my ass. I've been trying to tranq him, though. I think I would have a lot less trouble if I used the shotgun and RPG, but I always try to stamina kill bosses. Anybody have any tips? Is it possible to CQC him?
It seems essentially the same as the first fight, only there's not really a good spot to snipe him from (with the Mosin) like I did in the first one, so I don't have a good strategy.[/spoiler:5aeefe4b4a]
[spoiler:5aeefe4b4a]Isn't there a ladder somewhere?[/spoiler:5aeefe4b4a]
[spoiler:5aeefe4b4a]Yeah. But he finds me too quickly. In the first one, I managed to find a spot where even after I shot him, he had to run a really long way to get to me, so I managed to get in three shots and beat him before he caught me.[/spoiler:5aeefe4b4a]
[spoiler:5aeefe4b4a]Basically what you want to do is constantly circle strafe him while keeping the crates between you two. Normally he will unload his gun into the crates and you can shoot him as he reloads. You can also run to the generators that are fenced in. This generally gives him trouble and as long as you don't put a ton of distance between you two, he shouldn't jump over it. But really the best thing to do is be patient and keep the crates between you two.[/spoiler:5aeefe4b4a]
So, I'm on the fourth, I think, boss in MPO:
[spoiler:d8eb34216a]The second time you fight Null. He's kicking my ass. I've been trying to tranq him, though. I think I would have a lot less trouble if I used the shotgun and RPG, but I always try to stamina kill bosses. Anybody have any tips? Is it possible to CQC him?
It seems essentially the same as the first fight, only there's not really a good spot to snipe him from (with the Mosin) like I did in the first one, so I don't have a good strategy.[/spoiler:d8eb34216a]
[spoiler:d8eb34216a]Isn't there a ladder somewhere?[/spoiler:d8eb34216a]
[spoiler:d8eb34216a]Yeah. But he finds me too quickly. In the first one, I managed to find a spot where even after I shot him, he had to run a really long way to get to me, so I managed to get in three shots and beat him before he caught me.[/spoiler:d8eb34216a]
[spoiler:d8eb34216a]Basically what you want to do is constantly circle strafe him while keeping the crates between you two. Normally he will unload his gun into the crates and you can shoot him as he reloads. You can also run to the generators that are fenced in. This generally gives him trouble and as long as you don't put a ton of distance between you two, he shouldn't jump over it. But really the best thing to do is be patient and keep the crates between you two.[/spoiler:d8eb34216a]
[spoiler:d8eb34216a]Definitely, I thought the circle strafe+wall technique made the fight pathetically easy: I got hit maybe once or twice, and I'm terrible at MGS games.[/spoiler:d8eb34216a]
edit: Also, 63rd most popular GOTY? One other guy voted it 1? Man, this series lost a lot of popularity on these boards.
Ok, so I just beat Portable Ops today. Time to discuss the ending. As usual, Kojima poses more questions than gives answers, and I'm left not knowing what the hell just happened.
[realspoiler:cfdabaae83]So at the end of the game, Ocelot steals the rest of the legacy and goes on to help form the Patriots. At the very end of the game, he talks on the phone with another unknown party, who is presumably a female. Am I correct to assume that this could be Eva he is talking to? After all, the timeline given at the end of MGS3 states that Eva went "missing."[/realspoiler:cfdabaae83]
I just assumed he was talking to [realspoiler:cfdabaae83]Major Zero. Since based on what Gene said earlier in the game we assume that's who is offering a lot of the funding.[/realspoiler:cfdabaae83]
[realspoiler:cfdabaae83]Bingo. Also, when they talk about the mystery backer, it looked like a man with an eye scar.
Eva doesn't make too much sense as she knew neither Boss nor Volgin and does not have the resources or power to have planned Snake Eater.[/realspoiler:cfdabaae83]
[realspoiler:cfdabaae83]I could have sworn somewhere in the phone conversation Ocelot referred the the person he was speaking to as a woman.... I need to find me a script or something and go over that.
Also, I guess its now safe to assume that Big Boss is a founding member of the patriots. But now this confuses me even more, since Otacon states at the end of MGS2 the all of the patriots have been dead for 200(?) years. What am I missing?[/realspoiler:cfdabaae83]
[realspoiler:cfdabaae83] as regards to the patriots being dead for 200 years, I always thought that was the computer crashing- you know, arsenal gear. it presented wrong documents, the major started talking crazy, etc.
also, why do people think it's major zero? why would he do something like that? [/realspoiler:cfdabaae83]
[realspoiler:cfdabaae83]"...the man with the same code name as Null..." Null is German for Zero. Frank Jeager spoke German.
Remember when Zero gave Snake the question and answer to look for when talking to Adam and Eve in Snake Eater?
"Who are the Patriots?"
"La Li Lu Le Lo."[/realspoiler:cfdabaae83]
[realspoiler:cfdabaae83]Ooooh so thats the connection with major zero. I had always wondered why that was the question and answer for Snake to find Adam and Eve, but what exactly is the significance of "La Li Lu Le Lo?" What do those words actually mean?
[speculation]Also, we might be able to say that Adam is the father of the patriots. Would it then be possible that Eve/Eva be the mother?[/speculation] I'm sorry, I can't get past the fact that Eva isn't involved. After all, isn't she playable in portable ops? [/realspoiler:cfdabaae83]
[realspoiler:cfdabaae83]La Li Lu Le Lo doesn't mean anything. It's Japanese phonetics. It's nonsense sounds. I think Zero did it because he has a sense of humor, and he knows he's clever, and Kojima wanted to plant that seed so that someone would make that connection, like we are right now.
In MGS2, "La Li Lu Le Lo" is what Raiden hears when someone says "The Patriots". That's because he has nanomachines in him that are monitored and created by the Patriots. It's like a *bleep* when someone curses, engineered by the Patriots to keep Raiden confused and clueless about what is really going on.[/realspoiler:cfdabaae83]
Ok, so I just beat Portable Ops today. Time to discuss the ending. As usual, Kojima poses more questions than gives answers, and I'm left not knowing what the hell just happened.
[realspoiler:28bd2ff872]So at the end of the game, Ocelot steals the rest of the legacy and goes on to help form the Patriots. At the very end of the game, he talks on the phone with another unknown party, who is presumably a female. Am I correct to assume that this could be Eva he is talking to? After all, the timeline given at the end of MGS3 states that Eva went "missing."[/realspoiler:28bd2ff872]
I just assumed he was talking to [realspoiler:28bd2ff872]Major Zero. Since based on what Gene said earlier in the game we assume that's who is offering a lot of the funding.[/realspoiler:28bd2ff872]
[realspoiler:28bd2ff872]Bingo. Also, when they talk about the mystery backer, it looked like a man with an eye scar.
Eva doesn't make too much sense as she knew neither Boss nor Volgin and does not have the resources or power to have planned Snake Eater.[/realspoiler:28bd2ff872]
[realspoiler:28bd2ff872]I could have sworn somewhere in the phone conversation Ocelot referred the the person he was speaking to as a woman.... I need to find me a script or something and go over that.
Also, I guess its now safe to assume that Big Boss is a founding member of the patriots. But now this confuses me even more, since Otacon states at the end of MGS2 the all of the patriots have been dead for 200(?) years. What am I missing?[/realspoiler:28bd2ff872]
[realspoiler:28bd2ff872] as regards to the patriots being dead for 200 years, I always thought that was the computer crashing- you know, arsenal gear. it presented wrong documents, the major started talking crazy, etc.
also, why do people think it's major zero? why would he do something like that? [/realspoiler:28bd2ff872]
[realspoiler:28bd2ff872]"...the man with the same code name as Null..." Null is German for Zero. Frank Jeager spoke German.
Remember when Zero gave Snake the question and answer to look for when talking to Adam and Eve in Snake Eater?
"Who are the Patriots?"
"La Li Lu Le Lo."[/realspoiler:28bd2ff872]
[realspoiler:28bd2ff872]Ooooh so thats the connection with major zero. I had always wondered why that was the question and answer for Snake to find Adam and Eve, but what exactly is the significance of "La Li Lu Le Lo?" What do those words actually mean?
[speculation]Also, we might be able to say that Adam is the father of the patriots. Would it then be possible that Eve/Eva be the mother?[/speculation] I'm sorry, I can't get past the fact that Eva isn't involved. After all, isn't she playable in portable ops? [/realspoiler:28bd2ff872]
[realspoiler:28bd2ff872]La Li Lu Le Lo doesn't mean anything. It's Japanese phonetics. It's nonsense sounds. I think Zero did it because he has a sense of humor, and he knows he's clever, and Kojima wanted to plant that seed so that someone would make that connection, like we are right now.
In MGS2, "La Li Lu Le Lo" is what Raiden hears when someone says "The Patriots". That's because he has nanomachines in him that are monitored and created by the Patriots. It's like a *bleep* when someone curses, engineered by the Patriots to keep Raiden confused and clueless about what is really going on.[/realspoiler:28bd2ff872]
Oh ok, thanks.
Never knew that about MGS2 though. What part is that from?
Ok, so I just beat Portable Ops today. Time to discuss the ending. As usual, Kojima poses more questions than gives answers, and I'm left not knowing what the hell just happened.
[realspoiler:a13ea83f14]So at the end of the game, Ocelot steals the rest of the legacy and goes on to help form the Patriots. At the very end of the game, he talks on the phone with another unknown party, who is presumably a female. Am I correct to assume that this could be Eva he is talking to? After all, the timeline given at the end of MGS3 states that Eva went "missing."[/realspoiler:a13ea83f14]
I just assumed he was talking to [realspoiler:a13ea83f14]Major Zero. Since based on what Gene said earlier in the game we assume that's who is offering a lot of the funding.[/realspoiler:a13ea83f14]
[realspoiler:a13ea83f14]Bingo. Also, when they talk about the mystery backer, it looked like a man with an eye scar.
Eva doesn't make too much sense as she knew neither Boss nor Volgin and does not have the resources or power to have planned Snake Eater.[/realspoiler:a13ea83f14]
[realspoiler:a13ea83f14]I could have sworn somewhere in the phone conversation Ocelot referred the the person he was speaking to as a woman.... I need to find me a script or something and go over that.
Also, I guess its now safe to assume that Big Boss is a founding member of the patriots. But now this confuses me even more, since Otacon states at the end of MGS2 the all of the patriots have been dead for 200(?) years. What am I missing?[/realspoiler:a13ea83f14]
[realspoiler:a13ea83f14] as regards to the patriots being dead for 200 years, I always thought that was the computer crashing- you know, arsenal gear. it presented wrong documents, the major started talking crazy, etc.
also, why do people think it's major zero? why would he do something like that? [/realspoiler:a13ea83f14]
[realspoiler:a13ea83f14]"...the man with the same code name as Null..." Null is German for Zero. Frank Jeager spoke German.
Remember when Zero gave Snake the question and answer to look for when talking to Adam and Eve in Snake Eater?
"Who are the Patriots?"
"La Li Lu Le Lo."[/realspoiler:a13ea83f14]
[realspoiler:a13ea83f14]Ooooh so thats the connection with major zero. I had always wondered why that was the question and answer for Snake to find Adam and Eve, but what exactly is the significance of "La Li Lu Le Lo?" What do those words actually mean?
[speculation]Also, we might be able to say that Adam is the father of the patriots. Would it then be possible that Eve/Eva be the mother?[/speculation] I'm sorry, I can't get past the fact that Eva isn't involved. After all, isn't she playable in portable ops? [/realspoiler:a13ea83f14]
[realspoiler:a13ea83f14]La Li Lu Le Lo doesn't mean anything. It's Japanese phonetics. It's nonsense sounds. I think Zero did it because he has a sense of humor, and he knows he's clever, and Kojima wanted to plant that seed so that someone would make that connection, like we are right now.
In MGS2, "La Li Lu Le Lo" is what Raiden hears when someone says "The Patriots". That's because he has nanomachines in him that are monitored and created by the Patriots. It's like a *bleep* when someone curses, engineered by the Patriots to keep Raiden confused and clueless about what is really going on.[/realspoiler:a13ea83f14]
Oh ok, thanks.
Never knew that about MGS2 though. What part is that from?
I really, REALLY have to beat Portable Ops. I'll play it for the rest of the day. I work tomorrow, then I have two days off. Those two days will be filled with Portable Ops and Deus Ex love.
[spoiler:f11dbb5cea]I'm still right before the first boss fight[/spoiler:f11dbb5cea]
I really, REALLY have to beat Portable Ops. I'll play it for the rest of the day. I work tomorrow, then I have two days off. Those two days will be filled with Portable Ops and Deus Ex love.
[spoiler:79efc1552a]I'm still right before the first boss fight[/spoiler:79efc1552a]
I really, REALLY have to beat Portable Ops. I'll play it for the rest of the day. I work tomorrow, then I have two days off. Those two days will be filled with Portable Ops and Deus Ex love.
[spoiler:628a09678e]I'm still right before the first boss fight[/spoiler:628a09678e]
The hell, Kami.
The hell.
I'll just put it in two words.
December sucks.
Actually, it took me a solid 6 months to even start Snake Eater after I bought it. So, waiting a bit to finish up Portable Ops is probably a good sign.
I really, REALLY have to beat Portable Ops. I'll play it for the rest of the day. I work tomorrow, then I have two days off. Those two days will be filled with Portable Ops and Deus Ex love.
[spoiler:79f762d3ae]I'm still right before the first boss fight[/spoiler:79f762d3ae]
The hell, Kami.
The hell.
I'll just put it in two words.
December sucks.
Actually, it took me a solid 6 months to even start Snake Eater after I bought it. So, waiting a bit to finish up Portable Ops is probably a good sign.
I gave you shit about not starting MGS3, so it's only appropriate that I do the same for Portable Ops.
Ok, so I just beat Portable Ops today. Time to discuss the ending. As usual, Kojima poses more questions than gives answers, and I'm left not knowing what the hell just happened.
[realspoiler:32c65b5628]So at the end of the game, Ocelot steals the rest of the legacy and goes on to help form the Patriots. At the very end of the game, he talks on the phone with another unknown party, who is presumably a female. Am I correct to assume that this could be Eva he is talking to? After all, the timeline given at the end of MGS3 states that Eva went "missing."[/realspoiler:32c65b5628]
I just assumed he was talking to [realspoiler:32c65b5628]Major Zero. Since based on what Gene said earlier in the game we assume that's who is offering a lot of the funding.[/realspoiler:32c65b5628]
[realspoiler:32c65b5628]Bingo. Also, when they talk about the mystery backer, it looked like a man with an eye scar.
Eva doesn't make too much sense as she knew neither Boss nor Volgin and does not have the resources or power to have planned Snake Eater.[/realspoiler:32c65b5628]
[realspoiler:32c65b5628]I could have sworn somewhere in the phone conversation Ocelot referred the the person he was speaking to as a woman.... I need to find me a script or something and go over that.
Also, I guess its now safe to assume that Big Boss is a founding member of the patriots. But now this confuses me even more, since Otacon states at the end of MGS2 the all of the patriots have been dead for 200(?) years. What am I missing?[/realspoiler:32c65b5628]
[realspoiler:32c65b5628] as regards to the patriots being dead for 200 years, I always thought that was the computer crashing- you know, arsenal gear. it presented wrong documents, the major started talking crazy, etc.
also, why do people think it's major zero? why would he do something like that? [/realspoiler:32c65b5628]
[realspoiler:32c65b5628]"...the man with the same code name as Null..." Null is German for Zero. Frank Jeager spoke German.
Remember when Zero gave Snake the question and answer to look for when talking to Adam and Eve in Snake Eater?
"Who are the Patriots?"
"La Li Lu Le Lo."[/realspoiler:32c65b5628]
[realspoiler:32c65b5628]Ooooh so thats the connection with major zero. I had always wondered why that was the question and answer for Snake to find Adam and Eve, but what exactly is the significance of "La Li Lu Le Lo?" What do those words actually mean?
[speculation]Also, we might be able to say that Adam is the father of the patriots. Would it then be possible that Eve/Eva be the mother?[/speculation] I'm sorry, I can't get past the fact that Eva isn't involved. After all, isn't she playable in portable ops? [/realspoiler:32c65b5628]
[realspoiler:32c65b5628]La Li Lu Le Lo doesn't mean anything. It's Japanese phonetics. It's nonsense sounds. I think Zero did it because he has a sense of humor, and he knows he's clever, and Kojima wanted to plant that seed so that someone would make that connection, like we are right now.
In MGS2, "La Li Lu Le Lo" is what Raiden hears when someone says "The Patriots". That's because he has nanomachines in him that are monitored and created by the Patriots. It's like a *bleep* when someone curses, engineered by the Patriots to keep Raiden confused and clueless about what is really going on.[/realspoiler:32c65b5628]
Oh ok, thanks.
Never knew that about MGS2 though. What part is that from?
Dammit, if Kojima is going to make Document of MGS2 to explain what's going on in the damn game, what's the freaking point. He should put all that information readily available in one damn game.
...especially not if you're going to seemingly print 5 copies of Document worldwide.
Dammit, if Kojima is going to make Document of MGS2 to explain what's going on in the damn game, what's the freaking point. He should put all that information readily available in one damn game.
...especially not if you're going to seemingly print 5 copies of Document worldwide.
a) You can perfectly understand MGS2 by just playing the game. The Document of MGS2 just gives you a greater insight into the plot (as all "behind the scenes" stuff do).
b) It's pretty easy to find a copy of Document in Europe, a copy was included with every copy of MGS2: Substance.
I really, REALLY have to beat Portable Ops. I'll play it for the rest of the day. I work tomorrow, then I have two days off. Those two days will be filled with Portable Ops and Deus Ex love.
[spoiler:56c5a9f50a]I'm still right before the first boss fight[/spoiler:56c5a9f50a]
The hell, Kami.
The hell.
I'll just put it in two words.
December sucks.
Actually, it took me a solid 6 months to even start Snake Eater after I bought it. So, waiting a bit to finish up Portable Ops is probably a good sign.
Yeah, it took me over a year to finish Snake Eater, so don't feel too bad.
Admittedly, I probably wouldn't have finished PO so soon if I didn't have to review it for eToy.
I really, REALLY have to beat Portable Ops. I'll play it for the rest of the day. I work tomorrow, then I have two days off. Those two days will be filled with Portable Ops and Deus Ex love.
[spoiler:91003fccc0]I'm still right before the first boss fight[/spoiler:91003fccc0]
The hell, Kami.
The hell.
I'll just put it in two words.
December sucks.
Actually, it took me a solid 6 months to even start Snake Eater after I bought it. So, waiting a bit to finish up Portable Ops is probably a good sign.
I gave you shit about not starting MGS3, so it's only appropriate that I do the same for Portable Ops.
Hahah, I think that's the circle of our Metal Gear life.
You play and beat it, I wait around, you yell at me, I play and beat it, then make an insanely large OP.
[realspoiler:ad419b0053]La Li Lu Le Lo doesn't mean anything. It's Japanese phonetics. It's nonsense sounds. I think Zero did it because he has a sense of humor, and he knows he's clever, and Kojima wanted to plant that seed so that someone would make that connection, like we are right now.
In MGS2, "La Li Lu Le Lo" is what Raiden hears when someone says "The Patriots". That's because he has nanomachines in him that are monitored and created by the Patriots. It's like a *bleep* when someone curses, engineered by the Patriots to keep Raiden confused and clueless about what is really going on.[/realspoiler:ad419b0053]
[realspoiler:ad419b0053]Wait wait wait - I thought it was the other way around, that some people were prevented from talking about the Patriots, not about hearing them. While playing as Snake, you hear Col Jackson say "LaLiLuLeLo", but later Snake and Otakon talk about the Patriots a lot. Also, Raiden hears LaLiLuLeLo from some people, but Patriots from others (like the President).[/realspoiler:ad419b0053]
Dammit, if Kojima is going to make Document of MGS2 to explain what's going on in the damn game, what's the freaking point. He should put all that information readily available in one damn game.
...especially not if you're going to seemingly print 5 copies of Document worldwide.
a) You can perfectly understand MGS2 by just playing the game. The Document of MGS2 just gives you a greater insight into the plot (as all "behind the scenes" stuff do).
b) It's pretty easy to find a copy of Document in Europe, a copy was included with every copy of MGS2: Substance.
a) The things Renzo just mentioned in his last Real Spoiler post above is nowhere in MGS2 and only in Document.
[realspoiler:d5fd57f98f]La Li Lu Le Lo doesn't mean anything. It's Japanese phonetics. It's nonsense sounds. I think Zero did it because he has a sense of humor, and he knows he's clever, and Kojima wanted to plant that seed so that someone would make that connection, like we are right now.
In MGS2, "La Li Lu Le Lo" is what Raiden hears when someone says "The Patriots". That's because he has nanomachines in him that are monitored and created by the Patriots. It's like a *bleep* when someone curses, engineered by the Patriots to keep Raiden confused and clueless about what is really going on.[/realspoiler:d5fd57f98f]
[realspoiler:d5fd57f98f]Wait wait wait - I thought it was the other way around, that some people were prevented from talking about the Patriots, not about hearing them. While playing as Snake, you hear Col Jackson say "LaLiLuLeLo", but later Snake and Otakon talk about the Patriots a lot. Also, Raiden hears LaLiLuLeLo from some people, but Patriots from others (like the President).[/realspoiler:d5fd57f98f]
I need to re-read some stuff. It's all very confusing.
Dammit, if Kojima is going to make Document of MGS2 to explain what's going on in the damn game, what's the freaking point. He should put all that information readily available in one damn game.
...especially not if you're going to seemingly print 5 copies of Document worldwide.
a) You can perfectly understand MGS2 by just playing the game. The Document of MGS2 just gives you a greater insight into the plot (as all "behind the scenes" stuff do).
b) It's pretty easy to find a copy of Document in Europe, a copy was included with every copy of MGS2: Substance.
a) The things Renzo just mentioned in his last Real Spoiler post above is nowhere in MGS2 and only in Document.
b) I don't live in Europe.
a) Well luckily for you, Renzo is wrong. [realspoiler:1f944297ff]Like aett says, in the Tanker mission, Scott Dolph (the Marine Commander) refers to the Patriots as the LaLiLuLeLo. However I don't really think anyone is prevented from talking about them, but instead that it's just another name for them.
Also, why does this need to be spoilered, let alone real spoilered?[/realspoiler:1f944297ff]
b) You specifically said '5 copies worldwide' though, which isn't so.
Yeah, we should probably not spoiler the MGS2 stuff, but definitely keep the Portable Ops stuff spoilered... especially since I'm not done yet.
Hopefully we'll find some more information on the Patriots/LaLiLuLeLo soon. I did like the way The Last Days of Foxhound covered the "mental block", though.
Dammit, if Kojima is going to make Document of MGS2 to explain what's going on in the damn game, what's the freaking point. He should put all that information readily available in one damn game.
...especially not if you're going to seemingly print 5 copies of Document worldwide.
a) You can perfectly understand MGS2 by just playing the game. The Document of MGS2 just gives you a greater insight into the plot (as all "behind the scenes" stuff do).
b) It's pretty easy to find a copy of Document in Europe, a copy was included with every copy of MGS2: Substance.
a) The things Renzo just mentioned in his last Real Spoiler post above is nowhere in MGS2 and only in Document.
b) I don't live in Europe.
a) Well luckily for you, Renzo is wrong. [realspoiler:9b53473014]Like aett says, in the Tanker mission, Scott Dolph (the Marine Commander) refers to the Patriots as the LaLiLuLeLo. However I don't really think anyone is prevented from talking about them, but instead that it's just another name for them.
Also, why does this need to be spoilered, let alone real spoilered?[/realspoiler:9b53473014]
b) You specifically said '5 copies worldwide' though, which isn't so.
Ah, thanks for that clarification.
Yes I did say 5 copies worldwide. It was an exaggeration, seeing as I've never actually seen a copy of the game in any store I've ever been to.
Metal Gear isn't going to the Wii, it's pretty simple. Kojima has said multiple times that if he develops a game for the Wii or 360, it'll be a completely original IP..
Boktai Wii or (Lunar Knights Wii) wouldn't surprise me.
I have never played a MGS game but I now have the urge to play the whole series. Which games should I buy? At the price, are substance and subsistance worth it?
I am thinking that I will buy Twin Snakes, MGS2, and MGS3.
I have never played a MGS game but I now have the urge to play the whole series. Which games should I buy? At the price, are substance and subsistance worth it?
I am thinking that I will buy Twin Snakes, MGS2, and MGS3.
I would absolutely purchase the original, MGS2: Substance (for PS2), and MGS3: Subsistence. They offer so much more gameplay than the original releases, that they're almost different games.
If you can't find the original PSOne version, definitely get Twin Snakes, as it's a very good remake.
I was in a similar situation back in 2005. I bought Ac!d when I got my PSP, and it was my first taste of the series. Entranced by the mythos involved in that game, I went online and orderd MGS (PS1), MGS2 (PS2), and MGS3 (PS2) and played through them in a week. I then played MGS3 through twice more times, and got my Foxhound ranking. ^.^
I've since played Ac!d 2, Ghost Babel, MG(NES), and am currently playing MPO (Kil0ton, if you ever see me).
Mr. Llama's advice is sound, though. I wish I had spent more time and found Substance or Integral online, though Subsistence wasn't out at the moment. If you get the "remixed" versions, you'll thank yourself. Believe me.
I was in a similar situation back in 2005. I bought Ac!d when I got my PSP, and it was my first taste of the series. Entranced by the mythos involved in that game, I went online and orderd MGS (PS1), MGS2 (PS2), and MGS3 (PS2) and played through them in a week. I then played MGS3 through twice more times, and got my Foxhound ranking. ^.^
I've since played Ac!d 2, Ghost Babel, MG(NES), and am currently playing MPO (Kil0ton, if you ever see me).
Mr. Llama's advice is sound, though. I wish I had spent more time and found Substance or Integral online, though Subsistence wasn't out at the moment. If you get the "remixed" versions, you'll thank yourself. Believe me.
of what i hear, the NES version of MG is pretty much abominable compared to the MSX version
I was in a similar situation back in 2005. I bought Ac!d when I got my PSP, and it was my first taste of the series. Entranced by the mythos involved in that game, I went online and orderd MGS (PS1), MGS2 (PS2), and MGS3 (PS2) and played through them in a week. I then played MGS3 through twice more times, and got my Foxhound ranking. ^.^
I've since played Ac!d 2, Ghost Babel, MG(NES), and am currently playing MPO (Kil0ton, if you ever see me).
Mr. Llama's advice is sound, though. I wish I had spent more time and found Substance or Integral online, though Subsistence wasn't out at the moment. If you get the "remixed" versions, you'll thank yourself. Believe me.
of what i hear, the NES version of MG is pretty much abominable compared to the MSX version
Yep, it's complete ass compared to the MSX version. Get MGS3: Subsistance, it has the proper version of MG1 and a translated version of MG2 included.
I was in a similar situation back in 2005. I bought Ac!d when I got my PSP, and it was my first taste of the series. Entranced by the mythos involved in that game, I went online and orderd MGS (PS1), MGS2 (PS2), and MGS3 (PS2) and played through them in a week. I then played MGS3 through twice more times, and got my Foxhound ranking. ^.^
I've since played Ac!d 2, Ghost Babel, MG(NES), and am currently playing MPO (Kil0ton, if you ever see me).
Mr. Llama's advice is sound, though. I wish I had spent more time and found Substance or Integral online, though Subsistence wasn't out at the moment. If you get the "remixed" versions, you'll thank yourself. Believe me.
If you have a Gamecube or Wii, you should get Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes. It's a re-make of the first MGS game with new graphics and new cutscenes from the director of Versus, plus gameplay elements from the second game (like the first person aim mode and wall hanging and so forth). I thought the cutscenes were awesome, but some said they were "unbelievable."
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I don't get it, unbelievable?
There is people out there who think MGS is about realism?
I will also state for the record that i enjoyed MGS2 more then the third, it is like playing the lead in a crazy Japanese movie. Even if the third was crazy awesome too, except for the endless switching of cammo.
I don't get it, unbelievable?
There is people out there who think MGS is about realism?
For gods sake, not this again. Thanks a lot Dashui.
But if I have to argue it, I will. So, have you played Twin Snakes? For starters I don't think there's a cutscene where Snake doesn't do a flip. Missile fired at Snake?! Let's do a flip! Sniper?! Flip! Gotta get past a door?! Flip over it baby! It gets fucking stupid.
Secondly, one of the key things in the Metal Gear series (and MGS1 in particular, which you find out at the end) is that Solid Snake is the ultimate underdog. He goes up against people with crazy powers and huge freaking vehicles (whether they be a tank, Hind D or Metal Gear) and yet he still comes out victorious, without superpowers. But in Twin Snakes, he suddenly becomes this superhuman soldier that can do flips over doors, etc.
Don't get me wrong, I loved THE cutscene with Grey Fox. It was awesome. It's a pity that it was included in one of the early trailers though, as it was the main highlight in the game.
Having said this however, the cutscenes are nowhere near Twin Snakes' biggest problem. My biggest problem with Twin Snakes is that it's completely broken. Why? Well for starters, they failed Remake School (the same school that Shinji Mikami left with honours btw). What do they teach in Remake School, you ask? Remake School teaches that you can't add a feature without balancing the game for that feature. Did they do that in Twin Snakes? Nope, thanks to Silicon Knights brilliant insight, you can very easily go into first person view and finish bosses in under a minute.
Take note that if I wanted to, I could easily start arguments about the voice acting, soundtrack, controls and graphics too but like the cutscenes, they are minor complaints compared to my main one.
As far as the choice between MGS1 and Twin Snakes, I'd say that you should buy both. If you really can't stand MGS1's graphics and gameplay (though I have no problems with them) then you can play through Twin Snakes. But if you can play through MGS1 first, you can then play through Twin Snakes to find out how horrible it really is. Oh and get VR Missions as well, the mystery missions are awesome.
I don't get it, unbelievable?
There is people out there who think MGS is about realism?
I will also state for the record that i enjoyed MGS2 more then the third, it is like playing the lead in a crazy Japanese movie. Even if the third was crazy awesome too, except for the endless switching of cammo.
They are absolutely ridiculous. The badass thing about MGS is that all these dudes have these crazy talents, but Snake is just the perfect warrior and no one can beat him, even though he doesn't have supernatural talents. Then in Twin Snakes you see him jumping on missiles in midair flying towards him. It is just fucking retarded.
I finally got my Portable Ops review posted to my blog if anyone cares. I just thought I'd share what I thought to be the two worst parts of the game.
"One is a brief, very uncharacteristic platforming element in the Silo Complex level. I get the feeling Hideo Kojima backhanded someone when he played through that portion. It is especially frustrating on Extreme difficulty due to the key placement. This isn't Mario, okay?
Secondly, in the Ravine level, en route to the Power Substation, you come to a boulder in your path that prompts a codec conversation, telling you to find another route. I suppose one could double back around the other side of the canyon, or perhaps bring explosives to destroy the blockage. I wouldn't know, however, because I just had Snake hang off the edge of the path and climb his way around the large rock. This is Metal Gear Solid, okay? Electrified floors that need to be disabled with remote controlled missiles, I expect that. I also expect to use cigar smoke to identify infrared security systems. But, climbing around a rock? What the fuck, Konami? What is that?"
I don't get it, unbelievable?
There is people out there who think MGS is about realism?
For gods sake, not this again. Thanks a lot Dashui.
But if I have to argue it, I will. So, have you played Twin Snakes? For starters I don't think there's a cutscene where Snake doesn't do a flip. Missile fired at Snake?! Let's do a flip! Sniper?! Flip! Gotta get past a door?! Flip over it baby! It gets fucking stupid.
Secondly, one of the key things in the Metal Gear series (and MGS1 in particular, which you find out at the end) is that Solid Snake is the ultimate underdog. He goes up against people with crazy powers and huge freaking vehicles (whether they be a tank, Hind D or Metal Gear) and yet he still comes out victorious, without superpowers. But in Twin Snakes, he suddenly becomes this superhuman soldier that can do flips over doors, etc.
Don't get me wrong, I loved THE cutscene with Grey Fox. It was awesome. It's a pity that it was included in one of the early trailers though, as it was the main highlight in the game.
Having said this however, the cutscenes are nowhere near Twin Snakes' biggest problem. My biggest problem with Twin Snakes is that it's completely broken. Why? Well for starters, they failed Remake School (the same school that Shinji Mikami left with honours btw). What do they teach in Remake School, you ask? Remake School teaches that you can't add a feature without balancing the game for that feature. Did they do that in Twin Snakes? Nope, thanks to Silicon Knights brilliant insight, you can very easily go into first person view and finish bosses in under a minute.
Take note that if I wanted to, I could easily start arguments about the voice acting, soundtrack, controls and graphics too but like the cutscenes, they are minor complaints compared to my main one.
As far as the choice between MGS1 and Twin Snakes, I'd say that you should buy both. If you really can't stand MGS1's graphics and gameplay (though I have no problems with them) then you can play through Twin Snakes. But if you can play through MGS1 first, you can then play through Twin Snakes to find out how horrible it really is. Oh and get VR Missions as well, the mystery missions are awesome.
Really, that's all opinions opinions lol.
The remake doesn't follow YOUR PERSONAL concept of what Snake SHOULD be. Tough luck, Kojima likes it. That kind of crazy fun shit happens in MGS3 too. It is most definitely not an absolute issue, it is completely and utterly subjective. As opposed to say, making MGSTT a kart racing game. Now THAT would be a real, objective problem with it.
And in most of the bosses, first person shooting didn't do any good. Maybe Psycho Mantis and Revolver Ocelot got a bit easier. But the Tank, Raven, Wolf and the end fights didn't get easier at all. So, another complaint shot down.
Really, we are aware that you hate TT because it offends some of your personal conclusions about MGS, but most people enjoy it a lot. I know I did. I find PSX 3D graphics to be unbearably ugly, and I can't fathom how would shooting the guards on 3rd person could be any fun. That kind of thing happens.
I don't get it, unbelievable?
There is people out there who think MGS is about realism?
For gods sake, not this again. Thanks a lot Dashui.
But if I have to argue it, I will. So, have you played Twin Snakes? For starters I don't think there's a cutscene where Snake doesn't do a flip. Missile fired at Snake?! Let's do a flip! Sniper?! Flip! Gotta get past a door?! Flip over it baby! It gets fucking stupid.
Secondly, one of the key things in the Metal Gear series (and MGS1 in particular, which you find out at the end) is that Solid Snake is the ultimate underdog. He goes up against people with crazy powers and huge freaking vehicles (whether they be a tank, Hind D or Metal Gear) and yet he still comes out victorious, without superpowers. But in Twin Snakes, he suddenly becomes this superhuman soldier that can do flips over doors, etc.
Don't get me wrong, I loved THE cutscene with Grey Fox. It was awesome. It's a pity that it was included in one of the early trailers though, as it was the main highlight in the game.
Having said this however, the cutscenes are nowhere near Twin Snakes' biggest problem. My biggest problem with Twin Snakes is that it's completely broken. Why? Well for starters, they failed Remake School (the same school that Shinji Mikami left with honours btw). What do they teach in Remake School, you ask? Remake School teaches that you can't add a feature without balancing the game for that feature. Did they do that in Twin Snakes? Nope, thanks to Silicon Knights brilliant insight, you can very easily go into first person view and finish bosses in under a minute.
Take note that if I wanted to, I could easily start arguments about the voice acting, soundtrack, controls and graphics too but like the cutscenes, they are minor complaints compared to my main one.
As far as the choice between MGS1 and Twin Snakes, I'd say that you should buy both. If you really can't stand MGS1's graphics and gameplay (though I have no problems with them) then you can play through Twin Snakes. But if you can play through MGS1 first, you can then play through Twin Snakes to find out how horrible it really is. Oh and get VR Missions as well, the mystery missions are awesome.
Really, that's all opinions opinions lol.
The remake doesn't follow YOUR PERSONAL concept of what Snake SHOULD be. Tough luck, Kojima likes it. That kind of crazy fun shit happens in MGS3 too. It is most definitely not an absolute issue, it is completely and utterly subjective. As opposed to say, making MGSTT a kart racing game. Now THAT would be a real, objective problem with it.
And in most of the bosses, first person shooting didn't do any good. Maybe Psycho Mantis and Revolver Ocelot got a bit easier. But the Tank, Raven, Wolf and the end fights didn't get easier at all. So, another complaint shot down.
Really, we are aware that you hate TT because it offends some of your personal conclusions about MGS, but most people enjoy it a lot. I know I did. I find PSX 3D graphics to be unbearably ugly, and I can't fathom how would shooting the guards on 3rd person could be any fun. That kind of thing happens.
Yeah, I don't think I could stomach playing MGS anymore with those graphics and gameplay (actually, I don't mean it that negative; I probably could and still enjoy it, but why when there's an enhanced experience released?). The first person aiming really made it more fun and immersible for me. I thought the cutscenes were great fun, too, and made the game worth purchasing again to see the new content.
I thought the only real unbelievable part was him jumping off a rocket to dodge it, but the rest wasn't that bad. So he dodged a bullet by jumping? He did some cool CQC moves against a few soldiers. He is an enhanced super soldier, after all. It makes sense he can do a few cool things, and it was fun to see. There's no real need to get offended over it; it's not as if Snake was all of a sudden an latino drug dealer.
That's just my opinion of Twin Snakes; I can understand if someone else didn't like it. Yet I don't see how anyone could pass up the chance to play it in a much higher quality with a first person camera (and I can't help it; I really liked the new cutscenes of snake being awesome).
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Secondly, one of the key things in the Metal Gear series (and MGS1 in particular, which you find out at the end) is that Solid Snake is the ultimate underdog. He goes up against people with crazy powers and huge freaking vehicles (whether they be a tank, Hind D or Metal Gear) and yet he still comes out victorious, without superpowers. But in Twin Snakes, he suddenly becomes this superhuman soldier that can do flips over doors, etc.
Um. But he IS a superhuman soldier. Or were you not paying attention to the story?
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[spoiler:5aeefe4b4a]Basically what you want to do is constantly circle strafe him while keeping the crates between you two. Normally he will unload his gun into the crates and you can shoot him as he reloads. You can also run to the generators that are fenced in. This generally gives him trouble and as long as you don't put a ton of distance between you two, he shouldn't jump over it. But really the best thing to do is be patient and keep the crates between you two.[/spoiler:5aeefe4b4a]
edit: Also, 63rd most popular GOTY? One other guy voted it 1? Man, this series lost a lot of popularity on these boards.
In MGS2, "La Li Lu Le Lo" is what Raiden hears when someone says "The Patriots". That's because he has nanomachines in him that are monitored and created by the Patriots. It's like a *bleep* when someone curses, engineered by the Patriots to keep Raiden confused and clueless about what is really going on.[/realspoiler:cfdabaae83]
Never knew that about MGS2 though. What part is that from?
[spoiler:f11dbb5cea]I'm still right before the first boss fight[/spoiler:f11dbb5cea]
The hell.
I'll just put it in two words.
December sucks.
Actually, it took me a solid 6 months to even start Snake Eater after I bought it. So, waiting a bit to finish up Portable Ops is probably a good sign.
Thats one hell of a predictive text system.
...especially not if you're going to seemingly print 5 copies of Document worldwide.
b) It's pretty easy to find a copy of Document in Europe, a copy was included with every copy of MGS2: Substance.
Yeah, it took me over a year to finish Snake Eater, so don't feel too bad.
Admittedly, I probably wouldn't have finished PO so soon if I didn't have to review it for eToy.
Hahah, I think that's the circle of our Metal Gear life.
You play and beat it, I wait around, you yell at me, I play and beat it, then make an insanely large OP.
[realspoiler:ad419b0053]Wait wait wait - I thought it was the other way around, that some people were prevented from talking about the Patriots, not about hearing them. While playing as Snake, you hear Col Jackson say "LaLiLuLeLo", but later Snake and Otakon talk about the Patriots a lot. Also, Raiden hears LaLiLuLeLo from some people, but Patriots from others (like the President).[/realspoiler:ad419b0053]
b) I don't live in Europe.
Also, why does this need to be spoilered, let alone real spoilered?[/realspoiler:1f944297ff]
b) You specifically said '5 copies worldwide' though, which isn't so.
Hopefully we'll find some more information on the Patriots/LaLiLuLeLo soon. I did like the way The Last Days of Foxhound covered the "mental block", though.
"The Lu Le La Li Lo?"
"The-- what?"
Silly Raiden.
I was just thinking today about just how awesome MGS3 was. I ought to break it out of storage.
I don't entirely remember how I even ended up with it.
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Yes I did say 5 copies worldwide. It was an exaggeration, seeing as I've never actually seen a copy of the game in any store I've ever been to.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16566263/
Nice to see some mainstream coverage for a quality game.
Although, I'd have to say the author must be a total tool to be griping about camera control...
Boktai Wii or (Lunar Knights Wii) wouldn't surprise me.
I am thinking that I will buy Twin Snakes, MGS2, and MGS3.
I would absolutely purchase the original, MGS2: Substance (for PS2), and MGS3: Subsistence. They offer so much more gameplay than the original releases, that they're almost different games.
If you can't find the original PSOne version, definitely get Twin Snakes, as it's a very good remake.
I've since played Ac!d 2, Ghost Babel, MG(NES), and am currently playing MPO (Kil0ton, if you ever see me).
Mr. Llama's advice is sound, though. I wish I had spent more time and found Substance or Integral online, though Subsistence wasn't out at the moment. If you get the "remixed" versions, you'll thank yourself. Believe me.
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We have Rosemary
If you have a Gamecube or Wii, you should get Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes. It's a re-make of the first MGS game with new graphics and new cutscenes from the director of Versus, plus gameplay elements from the second game (like the first person aim mode and wall hanging and so forth). I thought the cutscenes were awesome, but some said they were "unbelievable."
There is people out there who think MGS is about realism?
I will also state for the record that i enjoyed MGS2 more then the third, it is like playing the lead in a crazy Japanese movie. Even if the third was crazy awesome too, except for the endless switching of cammo.
But if I have to argue it, I will. So, have you played Twin Snakes? For starters I don't think there's a cutscene where Snake doesn't do a flip. Missile fired at Snake?! Let's do a flip! Sniper?! Flip! Gotta get past a door?! Flip over it baby! It gets fucking stupid.
Secondly, one of the key things in the Metal Gear series (and MGS1 in particular, which you find out at the end) is that Solid Snake is the ultimate underdog. He goes up against people with crazy powers and huge freaking vehicles (whether they be a tank, Hind D or Metal Gear) and yet he still comes out victorious, without superpowers. But in Twin Snakes, he suddenly becomes this superhuman soldier that can do flips over doors, etc.
Don't get me wrong, I loved THE cutscene with Grey Fox. It was awesome. It's a pity that it was included in one of the early trailers though, as it was the main highlight in the game.
Having said this however, the cutscenes are nowhere near Twin Snakes' biggest problem. My biggest problem with Twin Snakes is that it's completely broken. Why? Well for starters, they failed Remake School (the same school that Shinji Mikami left with honours btw). What do they teach in Remake School, you ask? Remake School teaches that you can't add a feature without balancing the game for that feature. Did they do that in Twin Snakes? Nope, thanks to Silicon Knights brilliant insight, you can very easily go into first person view and finish bosses in under a minute.
Take note that if I wanted to, I could easily start arguments about the voice acting, soundtrack, controls and graphics too but like the cutscenes, they are minor complaints compared to my main one.
As far as the choice between MGS1 and Twin Snakes, I'd say that you should buy both. If you really can't stand MGS1's graphics and gameplay (though I have no problems with them) then you can play through Twin Snakes. But if you can play through MGS1 first, you can then play through Twin Snakes to find out how horrible it really is. Oh and get VR Missions as well, the mystery missions are awesome.
They are absolutely ridiculous. The badass thing about MGS is that all these dudes have these crazy talents, but Snake is just the perfect warrior and no one can beat him, even though he doesn't have supernatural talents. Then in Twin Snakes you see him jumping on missiles in midair flying towards him. It is just fucking retarded.
"One is a brief, very uncharacteristic platforming element in the Silo Complex level. I get the feeling Hideo Kojima backhanded someone when he played through that portion. It is especially frustrating on Extreme difficulty due to the key placement. This isn't Mario, okay?
Secondly, in the Ravine level, en route to the Power Substation, you come to a boulder in your path that prompts a codec conversation, telling you to find another route. I suppose one could double back around the other side of the canyon, or perhaps bring explosives to destroy the blockage. I wouldn't know, however, because I just had Snake hang off the edge of the path and climb his way around the large rock. This is Metal Gear Solid, okay? Electrified floors that need to be disabled with remote controlled missiles, I expect that. I also expect to use cigar smoke to identify infrared security systems. But, climbing around a rock? What the fuck, Konami? What is that?"
Oh, btw aett, your haiku pwns.
Really, that's all opinions opinions lol.
The remake doesn't follow YOUR PERSONAL concept of what Snake SHOULD be. Tough luck, Kojima likes it. That kind of crazy fun shit happens in MGS3 too. It is most definitely not an absolute issue, it is completely and utterly subjective. As opposed to say, making MGSTT a kart racing game. Now THAT would be a real, objective problem with it.
And in most of the bosses, first person shooting didn't do any good. Maybe Psycho Mantis and Revolver Ocelot got a bit easier. But the Tank, Raven, Wolf and the end fights didn't get easier at all. So, another complaint shot down.
Really, we are aware that you hate TT because it offends some of your personal conclusions about MGS, but most people enjoy it a lot. I know I did. I find PSX 3D graphics to be unbearably ugly, and I can't fathom how would shooting the guards on 3rd person could be any fun. That kind of thing happens.
Yeah, I don't think I could stomach playing MGS anymore with those graphics and gameplay (actually, I don't mean it that negative; I probably could and still enjoy it, but why when there's an enhanced experience released?). The first person aiming really made it more fun and immersible for me. I thought the cutscenes were great fun, too, and made the game worth purchasing again to see the new content.
I thought the only real unbelievable part was him jumping off a rocket to dodge it, but the rest wasn't that bad. So he dodged a bullet by jumping? He did some cool CQC moves against a few soldiers. He is an enhanced super soldier, after all. It makes sense he can do a few cool things, and it was fun to see. There's no real need to get offended over it; it's not as if Snake was all of a sudden an latino drug dealer.
That's just my opinion of Twin Snakes; I can understand if someone else didn't like it. Yet I don't see how anyone could pass up the chance to play it in a much higher quality with a first person camera (and I can't help it; I really liked the new cutscenes of snake being awesome).
Um. But he IS a superhuman soldier. Or were you not paying attention to the story?