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Tim's Dump. nsfw

t i mt i m Registered User regular
edited May 2012 in Artist's Corner
Enviro's:

devilslakedarkerbg.jpg
Devil's Lake, WI

forestflight.jpg
Riverwalk speedy

yosemiteprev2.jpg
Yosemite speedy

'Toons:

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:)

girlupweb.jpg
Promo

jemaineweb2.jpg
Jemaine

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Concept art.

lola4.jpg
Lola & the Bear 2.

Thanks for looking, crits welcome.

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    beavotronbeavotron Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    it's business time!
    hahah nice work dude!

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    spellchromespellchrome Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Hey, nice work. I like "Riverwalk speedy" and "Yosemite speedy" the best (I dig the look of the water).

    Also, your faces capture expressions very well.

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    rtsrts Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Some lovely color-picking paint-overs there.

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    t i mt i m Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
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    rtsrts Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Fair enough you win. I still feel there is something odd about them. I just have a policy to call out paint-overs when I see them and this is the first time I have ever been wrong.

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    t i mt i m Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    No worries, I took a look at your art thread, and I can understand why you might call me out. You have invested an enormous amount of time into life drawing, long pose studies, and traditional studies (great stuff btw). I've seen my fair share of paint overs and get equally annoyed when the "artist" tries to pawn it off as talent.

    That being said, I suppose the lack of rendering lended itself to the "paint over" feel. However that just tends to be my style. I typically paint fast, working on very few layers, in kind of that neo-impressionistic way. Maybe I should go back to the 'toons. Ha!

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    KrisKris Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    That facial expression in the first piece is fantastic! :^:

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    ShiboeShiboe Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    cakemikz wrote: »
    Fair enough you win. I still feel there is something odd about them. I just have a policy to call out paint-overs when I see them and this is the first time I have ever been wrong.

    Hey man, don't take this wrong, cause I really love your work, but that's an awfully bold (best case) or arrogant (worst) comment to make. Might wanna dial it down a bit, I don't think he said anything one way or the other as to what these where supposed to be anyways.

    And TIM, I like and dislike this style you have going. In some places it feels really strong, the river walk speedy for example is pretty damn exceptional. I love the flow. The Yosemeti is also pretty nifty, I like the color choices. I think it gets a little weaker on your life peoples, the self portrait is pretty strong but seems to get a bit too detailed and dabbed, which I think is what is causing cake's reaction, where it looks like you're just going through methodically and dabbing the colors from one thing to the next, where as the 2 environments there was a lot more expression involved. Then the jk5, the face looks pretty good, but the rest is too messy. I understand the lack of development along the non-interest areas but, I think it needs to be more simplified than rushed, which is what it looks currently. The rest I didn't find terribly interesting, and I just don't like the style on the girl promo. I do think the bear was rendered pretty nicely in the last one but not so much the girl; her face kinda disturbs me.

    I would say work on keeping the expression in your style, devil's lake is an example to me of where the lines just become too apparent and the effect is lost. You seem to have a good handle on color, and I'm jealous for that. ;D

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    rtsrts Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    It was more your 'process' that did it. It has no rhyme or reason to it, which makes it feel like you are painting on top of something we can't see.

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    NotASenatorNotASenator Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Your contriteness is overwhelming, cakemikez.

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    rtsrts Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Shiboe wrote: »
    cakemikz wrote: »
    Fair enough you win. I still feel there is something odd about them. I just have a policy to call out paint-overs when I see them and this is the first time I have ever been wrong.

    Hey man, don't take this wrong, cause I really love your work, but that's an awfully bold (best case) or arrogant (worst) comment to make. Might wanna dial it down a bit, I don't think he said anything one way or the other as to what these where supposed to be anyways.

    Bold? I have only called out 3 or 4 people since I started doing it and I was right every time until now...how is it bold? It's just what happened. At least I have the balls to do it.

    Digital work which tries to emulate representational painting will always be called into question...though it is uncommon because it serves no purpose really (but that is a discussion for another time).

    Anyways Tim, I don't like your portraits much at all..they still feel really forced to me. But the concepts and more cartoony stuff I like.

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    RubberACRubberAC Sidney BC!Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    To be fair I thought they were paintovers at first too.
    I'm not really digging the style either
    It looks less like "this is how i paint" and more like "I haven't finished this yet"

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    rtsrts Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Let me ammend what I just said. I really like the shirt on the first portrait you posted. I think your 'look' is working there really well. But you have broken up the face so much (and this is why I thought..and still kind of think you were color picking) into little color tiles that don't really make sense except that they are in the general vicinity of where a color like that might be. Its because of the flow of the strokes, and thinking about the form underneath. In fact..let me demonstrate.

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    crawdaddiocrawdaddio Tacoma, WARegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2009
    I dunno, I'm kind of digging parts of it, although I think that you might have more success bringing it over to bona fide oils; the texture of an impasto I think would help tie the paint strokes together. Also, don't forget that when you're leaving big strokes like that, it'd help if they did something to contribute to the representation of form, maybe by following the cross-contour of the forms a bit more (EDIT: Basically, what cake just said earlier)

    Some of those painterly pieces remind me a bit of Lucian Freud...is that deliberate?

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    rtsrts Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Here is what I am talking about. Look at the yellow arrows over the shirt, and how they roll with the form. It is of course much easier to see the forms and move with them on the shirt because tension points at the shoulders cause the fabric to create folds that move with the form. On the face it is much less clear, and this is where your image breaks down. I have started to clean up the right side of the face a bit and put some red arrows to show some of the form there. Anyways, here it is.
    timexample.jpg

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    KendeathwalkerKendeathwalker Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    psst

    Dont paint from flash photography. It flattens the form.

    Even worse, Dont try to match photographic colors. Especially a point and shoot camera..

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    t i mt i m Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    The pics were done solely as an exercise in observation, gesture, and implication. I understand where you are coming from cake in terms of there are numerous mistakes in each piece. However, it was not my intention to aim for perfection. It was my intention to imply a complex piece with many very messy brush strokes. Color picking, no...however I did use a color set from the original image, so the training wheels were on in regards to hue, but I was the one who controlled the value. All the pieces were done on just two layers, and a hard rectangular brush at 100% opacity.I tossed in the occasional texture as well. Shiboe was correct to assess that the amount and size of the strokes on the faces were used as both a way to convey detail, and compostional tool. Having the surrounding areas less finished would leave the faces a natural focal point. Furthermore I thought the loosness of the surrounding area might add some depth to the pieces, in the same fashion a camera has a focal range leaving bg elements out of focus. Could I have spent hours and days rendering the hell out of them to achieve perfection? In theory yes, but I doubt I have that kind of skill to have gotten the "realistic" results I was looking for.

    I suppose all of this is mute though. Because ultimately they come off as digital mock ups of better originals, or unfinished pieces with more potential. Neither of which I was aiming for.....sigh.

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    winter_combat_knightwinter_combat_knight Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I don't mind the top portraits. As excercises they're probably good for understanding values and colour (especially if you're digitally mixing them yourself), but i've always thought doing greyscale studies are much better to learn from.
    Do you do traditional work? Your paintings kinda have an oil paint look to them

    Just also, i think your pics of the line of chicks are the best, and the cicuis bear is also petty cool.

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    t i mt i m Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    thx

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    KendeathwalkerKendeathwalker Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    ..Basically just try to light the model by some other way than your flash. The flash on your camera does absoluetly nothing to help describe the form and makes your job harder.


    Id also recommend painting from black and white photography. Because seriously, photographic color is distinctly different than natural, and this is only magnified when your using a lower quality camera.

    I think I just repeated myself with different words.. do you want me to try and explain with pictures?


    Thats a pretty signifigant improvment from what you posted in the OP.. All that texture on the skin was just out of place before.

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    t i mt i m Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Ken - I apologize, I completely misread your earlier post. I appreciate you elaborating, and it makes complete sense!

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    the_Willardthe_Willard Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    love the flight of the conchords one! (not that they aren't ALL pretty awesome) and i have to say when i first saw a thread titled "Tim's dump" i initially went "...eeww." because that's just how juvenile my mind is most of the time, hahaha.

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    t i mt i m Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    willard - thanks buddy, yea maybe not the smartest of thread titles. :lol:

    Couple more:

    dwightfinal.jpg

    beachcropfin-1.jpg

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    beavotronbeavotron Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    dwight!
    yesssss

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    ShiboeShiboe Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Really like the first and third man, but it really makes me want to see you do the same in a traditional medium. I think they would really come across with a lot more power.

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    crawdaddiocrawdaddio Tacoma, WARegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2009
    Indeed; I feel like you should give oils (or acrylics, if you haven't tried them) another shot.

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    t i mt i m Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
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    RubberACRubberAC Sidney BC!Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Those tattoos look more like she is rotting

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    t i mt i m Registered User regular
    edited September 2014
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    MustangMustang Arbiter of Unpopular Opinions Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I know people have brought this up before but your stuff screams "paint-over", I don't know if you need to adjust your style or something or just stop using refs all together but you need to do something about it. If you can ref stuff this well then I'd like to think you can do lots of good without them.

    Also Business Time is fucking epic!

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    GodfatherGodfather Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Yeah man, this paint-over business is driving me crazy. We know you don't do it, but your technique is so poorly executed everyone and their mother is going to say "paint picking" from first glance. If you had more experience with oils this probably wouldn't be an issue, but as of now it just bugs the crap out of me.

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    winter_combat_knightwinter_combat_knight Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Give oils/acrylics a go. It looks like youve got a good understanding of colour. Once you get used to mixing colours and the process of building up the layers, i think you will be able to produce some cool traditional paintings. I think you're kinda wasting your skills on this kind of digital work, just for the fact that people will automatically assume that you're tracing/colour picking (as i did). Go on, give traditional another go! 8-)
    This is sweet!
    lol8.jpg

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    mullymully Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Godfather wrote: »
    Yeah man, this paint-over business is driving me crazy. We know you don't do it, but your technique is so poorly executed everyone and their mother is going to say "paint picking" from first glance. If you had more experience with oils this probably wouldn't be an issue, but as of now it just bugs the crap out of me.

    yeah, agreed -- and with the addition of your videos here, it bothers me even more because we can't see your WHOLE desktop or what you're really doing around those drawings. i know you zoomed in so it'd be easier to see, but since we can't see if you're colour picking, we can't know otherwise. and we can't see your reference or if you even have one.

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    GreatnationGreatnation Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Gentlemen please. People are ranting about Tim's style? What exactly are you all trying to say? Does nobody remember Tim? Hes been drawing better than most people on this board for years, and hes covered more ground stylistically too.

    I remember a thread of his with some gorgeous applications of his style just a couple months ago.

    here it is

    http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=77903


    And here he is again in 2006...

    http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=7821





    Let the man have some fun and tool around. He can obviously draw, and hes eye for color is great. Not everyone makes an image in fear of what the internet will think. I understand the suggestions and cakes crit about form, but I think what would be more helpful than to change tims direction entirely would be to help him fix the kinks with where he's at. Many people paint like how hes working and do it very well.

    Check out Mike Hernandez. http://mikehernandez.blogspot.com/

    Julian Merrow-Smith http://stillives.com/

    Junko Rothwell (look at the pastel travel sketches) http://junkoonorothwell.com/


    I think the trick to working like this is going way way way slower than you feel you should. These finished works vibrate and appear to have been done very quick, but try slowing down. Like obnoxiously slow. Force yourself to think more about the color shapes than anything else, if you can find a way to look at the image long enough for it to dissolve into color shapes in your head, then placing them will feel more natural. The way these work is not to try and paint messy, but to try and see messy.

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    MustangMustang Arbiter of Unpopular Opinions Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Oh shit don't get me wrong, Tim can art like hell and the fact that we are calling him out on paint-overs when he's clearly not doing paint overs is pretty well much a weird sort of compliment.

    I just think he needs to stop using such copying so closely the refs he's working from, especially flash photography.

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    winter_combat_knightwinter_combat_knight Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    The guy can draw, but i still think his skills in colour and form would work great with traditional methods. :)
    Greatnation: Some great links. Thanks for sharing.

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    t i mt i m Registered User regular
    edited September 2014
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    NotASenatorNotASenator Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Godfather wrote: »
    Yeah man, this paint-over business is driving me crazy. We know you don't do it, but your technique is so poorly executed everyone and their mother is going to say "paint picking" from first glance. If you had more experience with oils this probably wouldn't be an issue, but as of now it just bugs the crap out of me.
    Godfather wrote: »
    For some reason I really like your messy paintings. Some of them work really well, I don't know why.

    This amuses me for some reason.

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    valerycevaleryce Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Haha, when I saw your pics in the OP I thought they were paint overs too- I think that it'd help your pecies if you didn't copy so liberally from your photoref. The flash on your camera really wiped out the value in those pictures, so your paintings lack an interesting value range. The color could use some work too.

    I gotta say though I am digging that painterly style. Maybe you could try doing a digital self portrait from observation using a mirror? That way you could get that same awesome painterly style without having washed out color/values. It'd be a win-win situation!

    Keep posting your stuff man, I'm digging it. :)

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    winter_combat_knightwinter_combat_knight Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    t i m wrote: »

    [URL="h ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juuZmZMAvhE"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juuZmZMAvhE[/URL]

    Fin:

    [IMG]http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a296/gr4phic4rt/iajane6.jpg[ /IMG][/img]

    Ahh. i love the greyscale method. Allows you to sort out the contrasts and form much better, before being distracted by colour. Although really, just a speed picture, i think a little more work on her boot laces would be worth working on. Maybe a little more subtle, and less contrasting. Shouldnt be too hard to refine;). Nice work dude. Thanks for posting the video.

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