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Exar34Exar34 Registered User regular
edited March 2009 in Help / Advice Forum
Ok, so I am thinking of getting a console system using some of the money I got/am getting from taxes. I am torn between the XBOX360 and the PS3.

I am looking for the following:
-good games, ie fun, good looking(graphically), can be challenging and such.
-good multiplayer, both local(same room/same system), AND online multiplayer.
-Not too high of cost, I don't wanna drop HUGE money to play online.

Stuff about me:
-wanna be able to play casual, with some hardcore over the weekend, but mostly casual now. Losing interest in present MMORPG due to getting to high in it and lack-luster PvP. (WoW if you're wondering)
-have wireless internet, the router is about 3 rooms away from the room I am playing in, about 30-40 feet.
-want to scratch that PvP itch, nothing like running through a battle map set to FFA with 7 other people, and taking them out as i see them. Always fun.
-No HDTV at present, but looking into getting one soon, not just due to the possible system.
-Cousin and friend both have PS3, cousin has both, friend has only PS3.
-Maybe, or maybe not make huge use of media possibilites, not yet decided.

Things I am thinking of between the two are that the XBOX does cost only the 299, but need another 150 for the wireless adapter and the 12-13 months registration to play online, plus the charger tether. The PS3 is 399 but comes with embedded wireless and the contoller charger included, plus the free online.

Games I would get if I got either system:

XBOX - Halo 3, MAYBE Halo Wars, some other ones as well maybe, or just borrow from my cousin.
PS3 - Drake's, KILLZONE2(haven't played the first one, but looks interesting), and the up-coming God of War 3.
BOTH- Assassin's Creed, along with some others. No real interest in Little Big Planet though.

I would also get games such as Call of Duty World at War, I played it on campaign and online versus(XBOX version) and found it quite enjoyable. I am not leaning one way or the other since I am in no way a major "fan-boy" of either system. I do have a PS2, and a Sony Vaio system, but I am not soo favourable to one thing or the other.

So I ask you, H&A forums, with the above info, please help me.


PS- Single player is big, no doubt, but multiplayer, both local and online are the big thing for me. I am not sure of how popular the above listed games are on either system really, how easy it is to find a good game or match on either XBOX Live or Playstation Network. Any advice or insight into this would be appreciated.

Thank you.

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  • ReznikReznik Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Keep in mind I'm a pretty die-hard PS3 owner who would never even consider letting an XBox in the house.

    Here are the good things about the PS3 catered to what you are looking for:

    -Since the online is free, you're not losing out on anything if you go for a stretch where you don't feel like playing. With something like Live, or an MMORPG for example, since you're paying to play there's that sense of 'I'm wasting money' if you're not using the service all the time

    -I would say it's pretty easy to hop into an active game on PSN. Now the only online multiplayer games I have are Warhawk and Rock Band 1/2, but Warhawk still has a healthy community and as I understand it so do games like Resistance. Killzone 2 will obviously be super popular right now since it's new. Also just about every game has a healthy population of Penny Arcade players so you will always have non-stupid people to play with.

    -All major multiplat games play just fine on PS3. You're still going to be getting Call of Duty World of Modern Warfare 7 whenever it comes out.

    -Your cousin and friend already have PS3s so it seems logical to go that route if you want to play them

    -Games still look stunning even on SDTV. Nothing can make Uncharted not gorgeous. It's just even more gorgeous in HD.

    -I have had no wireless issues with my PS3. Downloads take longer, but that just might be my shitty router. It works excellently for online gaming.

    -I kind of have to mention Uncharted again and its sequel that should be coming out soon because they are/will be awesomesauce.

    -PSN has awesome 'little' games that you can check out, like Flower for example (great if you just want to chill out and relax)

    -Media streaming is dead easy and takes like 2 seconds to set up.

    If you have any more questons feel free to ask. I have had a 60gb PS3 since August 07 and have not regretted the purchase one bit.

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  • illigillig Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    i have both FWIW:

    Xbox 360:
    Pros:
    -Great library of games + somewhat compatible with old xbox titles if you get bored
    -MS is very aggressive about content, so you have lots of console exclusives (including downloadable content), or games that come out on the xbox months before the PS3
    -Netflix streaming (if you have Netflix)
    -Easily hacked to play bootleg games

    Cons:
    -High mortality rate, although this is much less of an issue with new systems
    -Paid online play (although ~$40/year isn't really much)
    -no Wi-Fi
    -Expensive to upgrade ($150 for a 160GB HD, $150 for a wifi adapter)

    PS3:
    Pros:
    -Good selection of games
    -Built in Wi-Fi
    -Amazingly feather-light controllers... they literally feel like PS2 controllers with the cord cut off... i have no idea how they put a rechargeable battery in there
    -Easy to upgrade HD (just pop in a new laptop drive)
    -Blu-Ray playback (again, Netflix is great for this)

    Cons:
    -less console exclusives
    -new consoles are not backwards compatible with your ps2 games (this is a huge con IMHO)
    -Doesn't come with a headset (although any bluetooth headset works)
    -Online is lackluster (PS Home is a joke for now, and each game uses its own multiplayer setup, etc.)
    -Not hacked at the moment (this is a con for me... others may disagree)


    In the end, i use my xbox 360 to play games, and my PS3 to watch Blu-Ray movies mostly... YMMV of course

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  • JustinSane07JustinSane07 Really, stupid? Brockton__BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    Reznik, that's because you're a heathen.

    You wanna play casual with some hardcore? Xbox 360 is the way to go. The PS3 is too hardcore gaming, the Wii is too childish, the Xbox fits snugly in the middle. You can play SRSBSNS games on the system, as well as some fun, cuter stuff like Lego Indiana Jones.

    A battle map to blast the fuck out of people? Uh, hello? Halo! Don't let the critics fool you, it's pure fun. Don't forget CoD4 and 5. Or if shooting people isn't your style, Forza 2 is the best damn racing game ever made anywhere ever. Ever. Maybe you want some one on one competition, Street Fighter IV is mm mm tasty and there's more of us on XBL than there is on PSN here.

    Speaking of XBL, don't get scared about the fact that it costs money. It's like, 50 dollars for a year. That's some cheap shit right there, but it's so much better than PSN. There's way more content, and despite the public outcry, less retards because the ones that are broke can't get their broke asses online.

    Xbox 360 syncs up to your PCs like fucking butta. It's so easy. You just add your media to the library in WMP and then you can access it from your 360. Plus, Netflix streaming right to it.

    As far as your other family members and friends with PS3, get a new family and get new friends. They don't deserve you.

    Xbox 360 for lyfe, yo.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    If you have a computer/laptop that you keep nearby to where the Xbox would be, it's easy to just run a cable between them and use your computer as a wireless bridge - it took me about 5 minutes to set up and saved me the ~$100 or whatever it is they're charging for their stupid wireless dongle.

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  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    both the 360 and PS3 have their advantages or disadvantages.

    the 360 offers a superior multiplayer experience, but you have to pay $50/year for it.

    the PS3 has wireless built in, 360 does not

    360 has netflix, PS3 does not

    360 is cheaper

    as of today, 360 has better downloadable game library, but PS3 is quickly catching up on that

    PS3 has blu-ray

    360 has more exclusives

    I think they are about the same on streaming capability

    The 360 has a larger install base, which means that in theory it has more legs, especially on multiplayer games

    the controller is personal preference, but I think that the 360 controller is the most comfortable gamepad ever made, and I've always hated the Playstation controller design, right from day 1.

    Right now I have a 360, but not a PS3. I figure I'll eventually get a PS3, but not for a long time. the few exclusives on it are not worth the price of the console, and all the multiplatform game I'm going to buy on 360 because of the controller and potential for multiplayer.

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  • vonPoonBurGervonPoonBurGer Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Exar34 wrote: »
    -Cousin and friend both have PS3, cousin has both, friend has only PS3.
    In this case I'd probably recommend a PS3. I have a 360 and like it a lot, but you can't play games online with friends if your friends have the other system. The maturation of online play is absolutely the best part about this generation of consoles. For example, for my money Gears of War 1/2 single player is merely decent, the deathmatch multiplayer I usually skip because I'm too used to WASD+mouse on the PC, but online co-op with friends was an absolute blast. Co-op support is what took GoW 1/2 from "good" to "great" as far as my play experience went. If you prefer to play with/against real life friends online, a PS3 is probably the right choice for you.

    Or alternately, take a look at the pros and cons detailed by illig and score the systems based on that, taking your personal preferences and needs into account. You mention that multiplayer is big to you. If that's the case, you might actually want to buck the trend amongst your friends and go with a 360 for the improved online support. Which is not to say that PSN is bad, it's just much more variable. Sony opted not to go with a single unified online architecture, instead letting each game developer make their own server/matchmaking/online stuff. In some cases what the developers put together just doesn't work very well. Usually it's newer games, and usually the issues get resolved eventually, but you may want to bypass the whole possibility and go with Live. If you're heavily into online play and don't mind playing with/against strangers and making new friends online, then a 360 might be the best choice for you.

    In the end, I doubt either console would be the "wrong" choice. You just need to decide which one is a better fit for you.

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  • Exar34Exar34 Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    KalTorak:

    Really? I didn't even think of that idea. In fact, yes I would be having my laptop on the desk no more than 4 feet from where I would have my console, it's where the tv is. I never thought of that idea of using the wireless card in my laptop as a bridge through a cable and viola. Sort of embarrassed due to me being in tech and all, though i do mostly just design and build circuits.

    And JustineSane07:

    I was looking into joining some PA teams or w/e regardless of the system I would get.


    Knowing I can get a simple cable and use my laptop as a wireless bridge is almsot quite the deal settler I think. The 100 dollar adpater seemed almsot too overpriced, but if I can use my wifi wireless in my laptop as a bridge, then there we go.

    What sort of cable would that be KalTorak, if I may ask? I am a tech guy, but mainly the small scale end rather than the cabling.

    Thanks for the advice. Knowing that I can use my laptopn as a bridge as taken a good bit of doubt from the XBOX for me. I as being a bit stand-offish due to the 100 buck adapter.

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  • DHS OdiumDHS Odium Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Wireless solutions for the 360 can be had for $30, sometimes less. the original Xbox wireless adapter works perfectly, as will any bridge, or old router that can use DD-WRT. For the controllers, the PS3 USB cable it comes with is fucking useless - it doesn't charge when the system is off, and when it's on, you need to sit 3 feet away from the TV, because that's how long the cord they give you is. Keep in mind, the PS3 doesn't come with HD cables, not that you need them right now, but it's stupid.

    I own both systems, multiplat games are fine and dandy, both systems have some fantastic exclusives, but I think the 360 library wins hands down. he controller is also way more confortable, but that's user preference.

    Live costs money, but it's cheap, you can regularly find 13 month cards for around $30. If multiplayer is your thing, the 360 has the better service. There are generally more player, the TrueSkill matching is nice, and the integration of friends and invites and all of that is just vastly superior to anything the PS3 offers.

    Downloadable titles - both systems have some fantastic ones, the 360 just has more.

    Media sharing - the 360 wins this round too. While both can view streamed videos, I believe the 360 has proper Xvid codecs (the PS3 does not). I could be wrong about that though. The 360 definitely wins if you already use Windows Media Center - it's a fantastic extender, something the PS3 lacks.

    You can see I lean heavily towards the 360. That said, the PS3 is a great, solid device. I really don't think you'd be disappointed either way. I do think the benefits of the 360 beat the PS3, and it's cheaper to boot. Hardware reliability has greatly improved, and there is always the warranty to cover you if there is a problem. If you are really interested in Blu-ray though, I'd say that switches things significantly in the PS3s favor.

    As someone who didn't care so much about graphics before, or HD, I can tell you that when I did get an HDTV and hooked it up to all my HD devices - that there is no fucking way I would ever go back. And HD does make a difference in my enjoyment of games. A huge one.

    The 360 has an officially licensed VGA cable, so if you want to hold off on an HDTV, but still want a great looking experience, get that and hook it up to your computer monitor.

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  • ReznikReznik Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    DHS Odium wrote: »
    For the controllers, the PS3 USB cable it comes with is fucking useless - it doesn't charge when the system is off, and when it's on, you need to sit 3 feet away from the TV, because that's how long the cord they give you is.

    This shouldn't be an issue, because it takes like 5 minutes to charge the controller and you can charge it off your computer if you really have to. If you have 2 controllers, just rotate one charging and one playing. I don't think I've ever run into a situation when I wanted to play something and didn't have a charged controller to use.

    And with media streaming, I've never run into codec issues. I'm not sure if that's a benefit of using TVersity or just the PS3 itself.

    What are these mystical 360 exclusives that aren't Halo 3, Gears 1 and Gears 2? I guess Mass Effect is another one but honestly if you have even a semi-decent computer, you can play like 80% of the 360's library, whereas PS3 exclusives will never show up on a PC.

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  • ToefooToefoo Los Angeles, CARegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I'm as biased as Reznik towards the PS3, but I will recommend it as well. I like my 360 just fine, but if you're looking for no-hassle wireless then I'd stay with PS3. If you ever want to play co-op or multiplayer with your friend and/or cousin, it seems PS3 would be the best bet for you as well. PSN is also free (barring anything you spend money on in their store, which has some really good games in there as well), while for Xbox you'll have to buy a Live subscription. Both systems have a healthy online community, with 360 having more players than PS3. Don't let anyone tell you that online play on PS3 is a "barren wasteland", because they're over exaggerating by miles.

    In the end I like both systems, but I have a special love for my PS3. I import games a lot, and being able to play them on a stock PS3 without modding sealed the deal for me. Blu-ray as well.

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  • MagicPrimeMagicPrime FiresideWizard Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    PS3

    If you are diligent you can probably scrape up an 80gb bundle that still has backwards compatibility on it.

    Regardless. All of the Ps3 models have PS1 backwards compat.

    And I've always told people that act really butt hurt about the backwards compatibility that slim ps2s are cheap.

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  • DHS OdiumDHS Odium Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Reznik wrote: »
    DHS Odium wrote: »
    For the controllers, the PS3 USB cable it comes with is fucking useless - it doesn't charge when the system is off, and when it's on, you need to sit 3 feet away from the TV, because that's how long the cord they give you is.

    This shouldn't be an issue, because it takes like 5 minutes to charge the controller and you can charge it off your computer if you really have to. If you have 2 controllers, just rotate one charging and one playing. I don't think I've ever run into a situation when I wanted to play something and didn't have a charged controller to use.

    And with media streaming, I've never run into codec issues. I'm not sure if that's a benefit of using TVersity or just the PS3 itself.

    What are these mystical 360 exclusives that aren't Halo 3, Gears 1 and Gears 2? I guess Mass Effect is another one but honestly if you have even a semi-decent computer, you can play like 80% of the 360's library, whereas PS3 exclusives will never show up on a PC.

    5 minutes to charge a PS3 controller is a flat out lie. It's not that big of an issue, but it's a definite annoyance. If you have the one controller, and it runs out, you need to charge. Your options are having a laptop or other device right next to use to charge, buying a longer USB cord, sitting 3 feet from the PS3, or stopping your game. None of those are ideal, and it's something Sony should have remedied.

    You don't run into streaming issues because you are running TVersity. It's a decent solution, myself, I never got the program working properly. I prefer the device to have native codecs for streaming. You also need a pretty decent computer to transcode on the fly. While I think 360 = PS3 in regards to streaming, if you have and use Windows Media Center, the 360 wins. Also, Netflix support.

    360 exclusives? Halo 3, Halo Wars, Gears of War 1/2, Crackdown, Castle Crashers, Braid, Geometry Wars 2, Project Gotham Racing series, Forza series, Viva Pinata series, Earth Defense Force 2017, Mass Effect, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Ninja Gaiden 2, Fable 2. There's plenty more, and depending on your preference of game type, a lot more worth owning, and plenty more still coming. It's very clear you do not have and probably haven't even used a 360, and your blind hatred towards it hurts your credibility when talking about these things.

    I own all the systems, if you must know, I haven't turned my 360 on in a month because I've been playing my PS3. That doesn't stop the fact that some of the most fun I've had on a console to date has been the 360, and in this case I would recommend it over the PS3.

    People need to stop being so unreasonable when they compare the consoles. This isn't directed at you Reznik, by the way, just in general. The common things thrown about are that the PS3 has no games, or the 360 online costs too much money (!), you have to use batteries with a 360 controller? Have to pay $100 dollars for wireless? All 360 has is Halo and Gears of War?! 360's light on fire after you first turn them on? Everyone has to be a little more realistic here. They are both fine machines, both have legitimate flaws, and clear strengths over the other system. Look at all the exclusives, and specific features you want, and then choose. This isn't a war, and you're not getting anything from attacking the other system.

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  • MagicPrimeMagicPrime FiresideWizard Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Take all games with PC ports off the exclusive list. ;-)

    And Mass-effect is going Multi-platform, along with Dead Rising.

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  • OrogogusOrogogus San DiegoRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    MagicPrime wrote: »
    Take all games with PC ports off the exclusive list. ;-)

    Depends on whether the OP has a gaming PC. The Vaio he mentioned isn't really ideal, for example, and probably doesn't meet the "semi-decent computer" qualification someone else mentioned. My desktop is a $200 Dell, and apparently doesn't play the new Puzzle Quest game (or the demo, anyway), which was kind of unexpected.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    If you're bridging an Xbox with a laptop/computer, you can just use the Ethernet cable that comes with the Xbox. It works on Mac or PC, there are a couple guides floating around on how to do it.

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  • Captain VashCaptain Vash Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I say this as one of the biggest ps3 fans out there;
    PS- Single player is big, no doubt, but multiplayer, both local and online are the big thing for me. I am not sure of how popular the above listed games are on either system really, how easy it is to find a good game or match on either XBOX Live or Playstation Network. Any advice or insight into this would be appreciated.


    get a 360.

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  • DHS OdiumDHS Odium Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    MagicPrime wrote: »
    Take all games with PC ports off the exclusive list. ;-)

    And Mass-effect is going Multi-platform, along with Dead Rising.

    No, that's dumb. Stop assuming everyone has a PC good enough to run games at the same setting as the 360/PS3 does. Or that they want to play it on their monitor. Or without a controller. People really need to stop spouting this line. With the exception of anything from Valve, I'd rather play it on my 360 than my PC.

    We are talking about consoles here, not PCs. Generally exclusive to a console doesn't actually exclude it from a PC, everyone knows that.

    If you say "Oh, I'll get a PS3 cause I can play 360 games on my computer!" then you also have to have another expensive box, nullifying the point. If you already have a great computer, good for you. Still doesn't get you Gears 2 or Halo 3, and PC ports often seem buggy.

    Also, I did forget Dead Rising in my list. Wii abortion (hi urahonky!) doesn't count. Is there a PS3 port of the original coming?

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  • MagicPrimeMagicPrime FiresideWizard Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    DHS Odium wrote: »
    MagicPrime wrote: »
    Take all games with PC ports off the exclusive list. ;-)

    And Mass-effect is going Multi-platform, along with Dead Rising.

    No, that's dumb. Stop assuming everyone has a PC good enough to run games at the same setting as the 360/PS3 does. Or that they want to play it on their monitor. Or without a controller. People really need to stop spouting this line. With the exception of anything from Valve, I'd rather play it on my 360 than my PC.

    We are talking about consoles here, not PCs. Generally exclusive to a console doesn't actually exclude it from a PC, everyone knows that.

    If you say "Oh, I'll get a PS3 cause I can play 360 games on my computer!" then you also have to have another expensive box, nullifying the point. If you already have a great computer, good for you. Still doesn't get you Gears 2 or Halo 3, and PC ports often seem buggy.

    Also, I did forget Dead Rising in my list. Wii abortion (hi urahonky!) doesn't count. Is there a PS3 port of the original coming?

    No original port planned, but the next installment (which takes place in a Vegas like setting) is going to be Multi-platform. Same with mass-effect.

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  • Exar34Exar34 Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Anybody have any guides regarding using a laptop and ether cable to bridge to the Xbox? Or know of where I can find one to use?

    I am leaning towards the 360 guys (sorry all you PS3 guys), for the reason of multiplayer.

    I might not have been as clear as I could have been. My cousin has both systems and some of my friends have either/or system, but I gave them a call regarding it and I got the same response from pretty much all of them. My cousin recommended 360, the 360 friends recommended it, and even some of the PS3 owners recommended 360 for larger online multiplayer.

    Looks like I am probably going to get myself a 360 at a point in time really soon here, and use the cable to bridge to it using my laptop.

    Thanks again for all the help and advice regarding this, helped me make up my mind knowing I could use my laptop as a bridge.

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  • Captain VashCaptain Vash Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    it's so easy.

    Get into your network connections.

    highlight your wifi and your ethernet connection

    right click

    choose "bridge connections"

    done.

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  • GanluanGanluan Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    MagicPrime wrote: »
    No original port planned, but the next installment (which takes place in a Vegas like setting) is going to be Multi-platform. Same with mass-effect.

    Does multi-platform mean Mass Effect is confirmed for the PS3, or for the PC/360 simultaneously this time? I hadn't seen any confirmation about the PS3 but that will make a few friends happy.

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