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Breaking Bad: "I won" [Past season SPOILERS]

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  • TonyTheLeperTonyTheLeper Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    tofu wrote: »
    Jesus Walt, make that right goddamn decision.

    Kill jesse, kill the gf

    And just cook mad stupid amounts of meth in your own personal RV in the dessert, 35 pounds at a time, and use your new bulk sales partner to unload it all at once, without the need of trying to run your own cartel, a million dollars at a time.

    THAT is the right decision.

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  • tofutofu Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    The right decision is to go to his wife.

    Then leave no witnesses.

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  • Fleck0Fleck0 Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I don't think they'll kill off Jessie, because he's my favorite character. So it's more that I hope they don't. But based on next week's preview
    The chick next door has got to go

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  • Peter PwnPeter Pwn Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    God I think I might die from stress watching this show.

    For what its worth I think new dealer might appreciate walt taking the time to go see his wife instead of rushing and being careless.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2009
    I knew it was coming, little fucking biker kid.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2009
    Im disappointed in Jesse, thought hed at least not let her do it, that would snap him out of it, but no.

    The bodies at the end, Im hoping its not the new distributor because he seems pretty cool thus far, I can see it being the girlfriend though. Not Jesse unless its the end of the series, dunno how Walt would function without Jesse, he seems to get release from trying to teach him things.

    EDIT: WALT!!! Please make the drop Walt.

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  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Peter Pwn wrote: »
    God I think I might die from stress watching this show.

    For what its worth I think new dealer might appreciate walt taking the time to go see his wife instead of rushing and being careless.

    I highly doubt it, just because he's not a thug like Tuco doesn't mean he'll put his own neck on the line to be sympathetic with Walt's family life.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2009
    That would be something he'd cosnider poor judgement and it would make Walt unreliable.

    He won't cut Walts fingers off but he wont deal with him anymore and if Walt confrots him at work Id expect Walt to end up in a ditch.

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  • TL DRTL DR Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    tofu wrote: »
    Jesus Walt, make that right goddamn decision.

    Dude, the baby will be there tomorrow. Pollos dude is maybe his last chance to pay for his medical bills and whatnot. Not to mention if he does kick it and then his wife is left trying to support a new baby.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2009
    Does anyone here think he should choose the baby? I mean the birth ain't that special, he can live with missing that. The other method after the money is cleaned leaves him set for life even with medical bills.

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  • TL DRTL DR Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Does anyone here think he should choose the baby? I mean the birth ain't that special, he can live with missing that. The other method after the money is cleaned leaves him set for life even with medical bills.

    I thought it was $1.2M? Hardly set for life, but significant that I'm starting to get a feeling...

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2009
    1.2 mill is pretty nice, he could live off that if he didnt have to pay 200,000 for his surgery.

    I mean obviously somethings going to fall through here or maybe not, its been shown the money doesnt make him particularly happy and he wants to be in the game in some way but wheres he gonna hide 1.2 million? Or even explain it? He needs to get into some kind of offshore bank account now so he can put it somewhere safer than his vent.

    And then theres the question of him even getting hte surgery considering the cancer is a driving force of the character including his hair cut at the moment. So is he gonna get the money and cure his cancer?

    Unlikely.

    But I hope he does.

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  • PlutoniumPlutonium Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Walt's whole life he's been a pushover and a doormat for everyone around him.

    His colleagues stole his research without Walt putting up a fight, making millions while he ends up teaching high school science to made ends meet, and then offering to pay his medical bills as he's dying, as if it would make things even, instead of just rubbing it more in his face.

    His wife, son, and brother in law don't think much of him, because he's so spineless. Even the universe itself seems to actively treat Walt like its plaything - his firstborn son is crippled, and he gets lung cancer without smoking a day in his life.

    At heart, the show's about a weak but good-hearted man who finally realizes he's had enough of being stepped all over by the world, and taking his life back into his own hands in the only way he can.

    The major conflict isn't anything to do with the drugs, it's whether or not Walt will be able to escape being walked all over by everyone and everything around him, without losing his good-heartedness along with it.

    And even if he loses his innocence, would it still be worth it? How much would it cost to be the right choice?

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  • King KongKing Kong Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Walt's whole life he's been a pushover and a doormat for everyone around him.

    His colleagues stole his research without Walt putting up a fight, making millions while he ends up teaching high school science to made ends meet, and then offering to pay his medical bills as he's dying, as if it would make things even, instead of just rubbing it more in his face.

    His wife, son, and brother in law don't think much of him, because he's so spineless. Even the universe itself seems to actively treat Walt like its plaything - his firstborn son is crippled, and he gets lung cancer without smoking a day in his life.

    At heart, the show's about a weak but good-hearted man who finally realizes he's had enough of being stepped all over by the world, and taking his life back into his own hands in the only way he can.

    The major conflict isn't anything to do with the drugs, it's whether or not Walt will be able to escape being walked all over by everyone and everything around him, without losing his good-heartedness along with it.

    And even if he loses his innocence, would it still be worth it? How much would it cost to be the right choice?
    I agree totally. That's why I thought the episode where he basically tells Hank to fuck off and give him the bottle and where he sets down the paint and goes outside to tell the meth guys to get the fuck out was so bad ass.

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  • MoioinkMoioink Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Nice to see some fans of this grossly underrated show.

    Jessie is even more of a liability now but I hope this is just another of those setbacks which Walt will help him recover from as opposed to him being in one of those body bags. He is an idiot but a strangely loveable one all the same and the show wouldn't be the same without him.

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Moioink wrote: »
    Nice to see some fans of this grossly underrated show.

    Jessie is even more of a liability now but I hope this is just another of those setbacks which Walt will help him recover from as opposed to him being in one of those body bags. He is an idiot but a strangely loveable one all the same and the show wouldn't be the same without him.

    word YO! i just blasted through all 11 eps so far of season 2 YO and this show is dope YO! ok im sorry, i like jesse and all, but shit does the YO thing grind at me, not even the most Bro'ish Bros i know speak like that. you replace YO with 'MAN' and you got yourself a more convincing west coast junkie

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  • WizardFistWizardFist Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Wow, that was some cold, cold shit. Walt is becoming more and more of a bastard with every episode.
    The whole scene where he takes his newborn to see the hidden stash of drug money was just disturbing, and the way he just let Jane choke to death on her own vomit was sick (and he knew it). I also like how Jane saved Jesse from choking in the beginning of the episode by turning him on his side. There was some subtle foreshadowing there.

    Bryan Cranston needs to win another Emmy for this, he's incredible in this role.

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  • ZampanoZampano Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I am feeling too many emotions to be able to sort them out. Disgust, satisfaction, sympathy, sadness, it's incredible. The writing and direction on this show deserve every Emmy.

    Re: Foreshadowing:
    They pulled a nice redirect there with the whole vomit thing. In the beginning, they did it with the baby being put on its side, and then they had Jane doing the same for Jessie, and I assumed that was the end of that. So Jane dying to it came as a completely shock. My mouth was agape for the whole of it.

    I missed it the first time he came around, but John de Lancie is Jane's father. I guess Fatherhood is something that's even beyond Q's understanding.

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  • HyphyKezzyHyphyKezzy The Best On MarsRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Yeah, Walt does seem to be getting colder, however
    I think doing what he did was still really tough on him, he's no Tuco yet. It looked to me like he was about to help at first, and obviously he felt bad about it afterwards. I think it really came down to a difficult decision for him where he came down on the side of protecting not so much himself, but ultimately his family. And I think that includes his "nephew" Jesse. He obviously could see how adversely that junkie bitch (and when it comes down to it, that's what she was, regardless of whether or not daddy loved her, although I guess Jessse is too) was affecting him, just dragging him down deeper. And I think he is starting to see Jesse like family.

    Same thing kind of applies with showing baby the money. It was "look what daddy did for you". He justifies all this shit he does as being for his family since the first episode when he was videotaping himself saying to his family "You may not understand, but I did this all for you". As much bad shit as he does, I still see Walt more as a wounded, cornered animal doing what it thinks it must to survive and protect it's offspring, than some sort of straight up sociopath.

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  • Captain TragedyCaptain Tragedy Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Damn, intense. Now I have to rethink my
    "who's in the body bags?"
    theory.

    http://savewalterwhite.com/

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  • EmotiveEmotive Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I thought the most disturbing part, as a viewer at least,
    was before he went to see his "nephew" Jesse, he was talking to Jane's father and asking for his advice on raising a daughter. If he had not talked to Jane's father at the bar, he may not have made the extra trip to see Jesse and watched Jane die.

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  • tofutofu Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    WizardFist wrote: »
    Wow, that was some cold, cold shit. Walt is becoming more and more of a bastard with every episode.
    The whole scene where he takes his newborn to see the hidden stash of drug money was just disturbing, and the way he just let Jane choke to death on her own vomit was sick (and he knew it). I also like how Jane saved Jesse from choking in the beginning of the episode by turning him on his side. There was some subtle foreshadowing there.

    Bryan Cranston needs to win another Emmy for this, he's incredible in this role.

    I didn't think that was creepy at all.
    Emotive wrote: »
    I thought the most disturbing part, as a viewer at least,
    was before he went to see his "nephew" Jesse, he was talking to Jane's father and asking for his advice on raising a daughter. If he had not talked to Jane's father at the bar, he may not have made the extra trip to see Jesse and watched Jane die.
    Jane wouldn't be dead at all, since Walt's the one who rolled her over while he was trying to wake Jesse up.

    This show is so fantastic, I hate Walt the way he hates himself but sympathize with him anyway.

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  • Fleck0Fleck0 Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I think I sympathize with walt too much, just like him...
    I felt she had to die for the greater good, both for his sake and jessie's

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  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    King Kong wrote: »
    Walt's whole life he's been a pushover and a doormat for everyone around him.

    His colleagues stole his research without Walt putting up a fight, making millions while he ends up teaching high school science to made ends meet, and then offering to pay his medical bills as he's dying, as if it would make things even, instead of just rubbing it more in his face.

    His wife, son, and brother in law don't think much of him, because he's so spineless. Even the universe itself seems to actively treat Walt like its plaything - his firstborn son is crippled, and he gets lung cancer without smoking a day in his life.

    At heart, the show's about a weak but good-hearted man who finally realizes he's had enough of being stepped all over by the world, and taking his life back into his own hands in the only way he can.

    The major conflict isn't anything to do with the drugs, it's whether or not Walt will be able to escape being walked all over by everyone and everything around him, without losing his good-heartedness along with it.

    And even if he loses his innocence, would it still be worth it? How much would it cost to be the right choice?
    I agree totally. That's why I thought the episode where he basically tells Hank to fuck off and give him the bottle and where he sets down the paint and goes outside to tell the meth guys to get the fuck out was so bad ass.

    You guys are really siding with Walt? Sure he was spineless and never took charge of his life before, but to say that he's gone way off the deep end of overcompensating for that would be an understatement. All this shit that's happening to him, and all the damage it's done to his family, is completely the fault of his own ego. This whole thing would have been over if he had accepted Elliott's money. We don't know the details of what happened between them, but he obviously deserves the money and Gretchen flat out told him that it's his fair share. Even now, he's got the money and a plan to create a cover story, assuming it works he could easily just take it and walk away but most likely he'll just come up with some other excuse to go back to the drugs. I don't think Walt was ever a good person - he's a coward and the way he started behaving as soon as he thought he would die before facing the consequences is pretty telling.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2009
    Ego? He washed cars for a living to compensate for not accepting money from rich old flames?

    Its his pride and with the drugs its the excitement. Hes powerful now, rich, hes getting the respect and authority denied him in life, everyone walked all over him and not fearing death, getting into these situations probably made him feel more alive than eating breakfast with his family ever has. I love Walt, he is amazing.

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  • S.S. Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Ego? He washed cars for a living to compensate for not accepting money from rich old flames?
    Yeah, Walt doesn't take money, or for that matter, any charity, assistance, kindness or sympathy from anyone unless he feels they owe him tha- no, wait, he doesn't even accept what he feels is owed to him out of fear that others don't see it the way he does; they might think he's accepting charity! No, he'll have none of that!

    Please, how is that not him being a selfish egomaniac?

    I love Walt too, he is such an amazing bastard.

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  • InvisibleInkInvisibleInk Po,OrRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    S. wrote: »
    Yeah, Walt doesn't take money, or for that matter, any charity, assistance, kindness or sympathy from anyone unless he feels they owe him tha- no, wait, he doesn't even accept what he feels is owed to him out of fear that others don't see it the way he does; they might think he's accepting charity! No, he'll have none of that!

    Please, how is that not him being a selfish egomaniac?

    I love Walt too, he is such an amazing bastard.
    Saul had a great line
    In response to Walters feelings towards Charity

    "Yeah, no deep seated emotional problems there"

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  • DemiurgeDemiurge Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Yeah the bit in Sauls office really shows what kind of fucked up thought process is going on in Walters head. He wants his family to appreciate what he's done and the sacrifices he's made and it kills him that he's not able to get recognition for his hard work.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2009
    I still say it isnt ego, ego doesnt make you live in a shit shack, makes you take the money nso everyone can suck your cock for providing such a god damn awesome house.

    And hes looking out for Jesse which is nice.

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  • King KongKing Kong Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Such a good episode.
    Fuck that junkie bitch. She fucked with a man's family and honestly if she didn't die I suspected her of taking the money and disappearing. I actually was hoping Walt wouldn't save her.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2009
    About half way through but Jesse deserves whatever she gets.

    Walt seems torn, he knows if he gives them the money Jesse is as good as dead but if he doesnt he risks his family. If he didnt care about Jesse hed just give them the money.

    "NIce job, wearing the pants"

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2009
    Oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh man this show is awesome.

    He steps in to save her because thats who he is but in a split second realises that he can save Jesse and himself by letting her do herself in with her own vices. Hes not a monster but he did what he could to save Jesse knowing Jesse would never listen to him with her in his life.

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  • MoioinkMoioink Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Wow. Like others have said, the foreshadowing for what happened is incredible.

    I love that Walt is still looking out for Jesse.

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  • CrayonCrayon Sleeps in the wrong bed. TejasRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    S. wrote: »
    Yeah, Walt doesn't take money, or for that matter, any charity, assistance, kindness or sympathy from anyone unless he feels they owe him tha- no, wait, he doesn't even accept what he feels is owed to him out of fear that others don't see it the way he does; they might think he's accepting charity! No, he'll have none of that!

    Please, how is that not him being a selfish egomaniac?

    I love Walt too, he is such an amazing bastard.
    Saul had a great line
    In response to Walters feelings towards Charity

    "Yeah, no deep seated emotional problems there"

    Seeded. Deep seeded.

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  • S.S. Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    ^ You should probably check that one again.

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  • TL DRTL DR Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    This show keeps going strong.

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  • ilmmadilmmad Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    It's a neat touch how the Donation button on the website links to a four-star cancer charity.

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  • BolthornBolthorn Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Finally just watched the latest episode. The wife doesn't like this show so I have to DVR it and watch it later.

    Wow. Holy Crap, and damn. That was pretty intense. The conversation in the bar kind of freaked me out. I really feel bad for Jane's dad, if we're getting the whole of the story from him and that he has always been there for his daughter and she's just a big ole' screw up.
    I'm conflicted on whether I still sympathize with Walt at all for letting Jane die. Yes I know, he's been responsible for the deaths of Tuco (sort of) and that guy in Jesse's basement, but both of them had direct violent plans against Walt. I don't know. I hated her character as well. Selfish little brat. Although a lot of the characters in this show are extremely selfish aren't they?

    I sort of hope Walt finds out who Jane's father is and what reaction that might cause.

    And Saul's money laundering idea is freaking brilliant.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2009
    Not really.

    Once Walts treatment is paid up, what do you think his wife and son will want to do with the rest?

    Donate it.

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  • Captain TragedyCaptain Tragedy Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I thought they were just going to launder enough through the website to pay for the surgery (and any other future medical needs - Walt can always claim that they may need the extra money down the road even if the idea of donating the rest is brought up), and find different channels for the rest. I doubt they're going to dump it all through the website; it doesn't matter how many different microtransactions they do, sending all the money through a personal website's Paypal link is going to raise flags.

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