As far as I can tell instance servers on all of the realms are just going down. Dunno if it is more people in them or if something broke in the patch.
I will say that I was on early yesterday morning and was able to run several heroics. In the afternoon it was impossible to get anything done. Same thing people have been describing, the instance would lock up and you would be stuck casting. They did rolling restarts this morning, I'm hoping that they figured out what was going on. If not I'll use this time to quest and get some of the gold back that I spent on my guys for dual spec.
I have to say I'm in love with dual spec. Between my shaman and my warrior, I have ranged DPS, melee DPS, a tank, and a healer. So much love.
This Argent Tournament seems...Fairly interesting.
I'm disliking the forced pacing to even get started though. The Quests are easy enough, but requiring three days to hit the initial rank, then another five, THEN start aquiring Champs Seals?
Perhaps I'm simply not used to such activity. Got my eyes on getting each of the Mounts, Tabards, and Small Pets though, so I'm praying that additional quests are added in the near future for more Seals.
Yeah, that's pretty much balls.
I did notice that your faction's vendor sells little doodads that give you 250 rep for that city for one champion's seal.
Exalted with all factions, here I come (yes I know there's a substantial grind in between, it still beats running all over hell's creation on a landspeed mount for those stupid Azeroth quests and then filling in the gaps with runecloth).
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
edited April 2009
If anyone dares to whine about how fast Ensidia cleared Ulduar, I'm going to punch you in the fucking head for being stupid.
HARDMODES
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edited April 2009
I'm not going to whine about it, but I am going to wonder aloud why, knowing how long Blizzard takes to release new content, these guilds have such a hard-on for clearing everything in 30 seconds.
It's like "come oooooooonnnn boredom!"
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
edited April 2009
Why would you dleiberately go slowly?
Oh guys, we're about to kill Yogg Saron, BETTER WIPE COS WE DIDNT TAKE LONG ENOUGH
This Argent Tournament seems...Fairly interesting.
I'm disliking the forced pacing to even get started though. The Quests are easy enough, but requiring three days to hit the initial rank, then another five, THEN start aquiring Champs Seals?
Perhaps I'm simply not used to such activity. Got my eyes on getting each of the Mounts, Tabards, and Small Pets though, so I'm praying that additional quests are added in the near future for more Seals.
Yeah, that's pretty much balls.
I did notice that your faction's vendor sells little doodads that give you 250 rep for that city for one champion's seal.
Exalted with all factions, here I come (yes I know there's a substantial grind in between, it still beats running all over hell's creation on a landspeed mount for those stupid Azeroth quests and then filling in the gaps with runecloth).
Yeah that's pretty much my only gripe with the tournament, also that the Black Knight Questline just up and stops until you hit the next rank. Since I didn't get to play much on patch day I'm gonna have to wait til tomorrow before I even get to the next seal rank.
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I'll admit, it was fun until I found out I couldn't strafe. I hate not being able to strafe.
Vehicles are god damned awesome in pvp though, I mean there's great places for them, I just don't think instances are it.
The basic argument most people have with "vehicles" in instances is "I rolled a x class to play x class, not to get into an instance and be forced to play as a simplified version of y." Your argument seems to have less to do with the vehicles themselves and more to do with the people you play with, otherwise you would have hated Chess (i.e, being forced to play a class with 4 hotkeys that isn't your class). You could just make a hotkey that puts out "I hate raiding with retards," which would cut down on the arguments you have to make
Oh guys, we're about to kill Yogg Saron, BETTER WIPE COS WE DIDNT TAKE LONG ENOUGH
It's not so much that, it's more like Halfmex said, you clear the content in two days and then have nothing to do (blah blah yeah yeah hardmodes but you know the same guild will be clearin that in a week or so anyway)
And then these same people bitch wine moan and complain that there's nothing to do and that Blizzard sucks at making instances that cater to their awesome uberness and all that other bitching they tend to do.
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No, you won't be clearing hardmodes in a week.
I don't know if you've seen Ulduar25, but a lot of the DPS checks are difficult to meet even with full BiS t7 25man. The hardmodes require around an additional 1k-1.5k dps from everyone. At least. You don't get that with current gear.
I'll admit, it was fun until I found out I couldn't strafe. I hate not being able to strafe.
Vehicles are god damned awesome in pvp though, I mean there's great places for them, I just don't think instances are it.
The basic argument most people have with "vehicles" in instances is "I rolled a x class to play x class, not to get into an instance and be forced to play as a simplified version of y." Your argument seems to have less to do with the vehicles themselves and more to do with the people you play with, otherwise you would have hated Chess (i.e, being forced to play a class with 4 hotkeys that isn't your class). You could just make a hotkey that puts out "I hate raiding with retards," which would cut down on the arguments you have to make
The only thing is that with the leviathon you basically are playing your class... except if you're the bike. That fight would be awesome if the tanking vehicles could do the oil slicks so the OT and MT could basically do what they always do instead of relying on a DPS to help them tank. The bikes should be for picking up people for the catapults and maybe a little dps gunner in the side car which I'm really sad they didn't add in.
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HalfmexI mock your value systemYou also appear foolish in the eyes of othersRegistered Userregular
Oh guys, we're about to kill Yogg Saron, BETTER WIPE COS WE DIDNT TAKE LONG ENOUGH
I don't think anyone should deliberately go slowly, but to push all of your raiders to raid their asses off for bleeding-edge content that you end up blowing through in all of a week or two just seems silly when you figure there'll probably be at least another four or five months (if not more) before we see new raidable content, and the true 'endgame' is even further away than that. If tradition holds, the next raid will be more like a mid-tier difference between Ulduar and Icecrown, which means they'll clear it that much more quickly.
I mean, you know, whatever, it's no skin off my nose, I'm just a bit bewildered by the practice I guess because as Reigner said, these are the same cats that have been busting Blizzards balls for not releasing difficult enough content fast enough. It seems like a viscious cycle.
I hear the same freedom that gives them the right to bitch and moan is the same freedom I reserve to ignore them. They didn't quit when Sunwell took so long to come out... They didn't quit when WotLK was cleared in a short amount of time.. I don't see them quitting now.. and if they do, it'll be awesome, because it'll be less bitching to filter through.
I wasn't saying it mockingly. You never see it, and I think it's awesome that they min/max to the point, that Ulduar is hard enough, that 40% extra debuff on demo makes a significant difference. Like I said, I think it's awesome.
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edited April 2009
Example of the kind of tank damage you face in Ulduar.
XT hits for about 20k, with a 2second swing.
Kologarn hits for about 22k with a 10k shockwave that hits the whole raid.
Iron Council Steelbreaker hits very very hard. Around 25k a hit.
Auraiya hits for about 18k a hit.
in my opinion there isn't much difference between a 20K hit and a 25K hit, both will pretty much end you on the second swing on 10 man. At least with 25 man you could do 2 of the 20K.
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I'm not sure if we're miscommunicating or saying the same thing. People had expressed mild concern that the best WoW guild in the world downed YS within a day. My point was more that it required the highest degree of min-maxing (to the point of speccing for 164 reduced AP on the boss) from the best guild in the world to clear the instance on easymode.
I don't think we'll see Joe Bad downing YS this week. Or next week. On normal, let alone hardmode.
I'm not sure if we're miscommunicating or saying the same thing. People had expressed mild concern that the best WoW guild in the world downed YS within a day. My point was more that it required the highest degree of min-maxing (to the point of speccing for 164 reduced AP on the boss) from the best guild in the world to clear the instance on easymode.
I don't think we'll see Joe Bad downing YS this week. Or next week. On normal, let alone hardmode.
Well, keep in mind that the top guild there didn't have the whole raid geared in the best shit available. That's going to be the difference; they beat Y-S in mostly Naxx gear, as opposed to mostly Ulduar gear.
Well looking like if I wanna actually try and get back into the game I need to move on from my guild of the last 4 or so years. I left about 3 months ago and come back to find the guild still has yet to down grob 10 man... and they are also still in the mindset that helped me take a break to begin with and just go with pugs for both vaults, the dragons and 25 man naxx every week. It's like the guild is a chat room that happens to do some heroics and 10 man naxx attempts.
Ulduar is plenty hard enough IMO. Makes nax look the the cake walk is it. We finally killed XT after getting our faces smashed in repeatedly, only to start wiping on trash. Admittedly we were all tired, but that magma trash is serious business.
Forums really make me lose faith in the educational system. Like, I get that it's an web forum, you don't have to write like an English major or anything like that, but jesus christ at least make an effort to communicate clearly.
A prot warrior applied on my guild forum. I critiqued his build and gear, including (but not limited to) the fact that he had no head glyph, honored Hodir but no enchant, no glove enchant, etc etc. His friend in the guild took serious offense to my evaluation, and responded with these gems.
well his gear isnt the best because he hasnt been tanking for his guild and either is his dps set because he hasnt had much luck with his guild runs or pugs that they have done but i use to raid all the time with him pre wrath and he was a very nice tank.. when he raids its not all about gearing himself rather than getting others gear. Weaks my homeboy and yes his raid schedule looks all f*cked up from the fact his job is being random with his hours.
lol he understands hes not very well geard but if u read he hasnt had much luck with running raids and his work has him off and on so he hasnt really been able to.. not everyone has time to go grind through dailies everyday jus time to do certains stuff. lol if u really thought he was expectin to tank ulduar. Hes not looking to bum off us jus looking for a guild thats cool and if asked to help he is willing
im not gonna argue over this kearu ur cool I was jus notifying in my earlier post what has been goin on which has happend for him not aquiring better gear and u went straight into thinking he was expectin to tank ulduar. and they r better raid times and yes hed like to c more content jus maybe u skipped some info on my post or it was posted not in the right manor. and i took ur message as to knocking a guy down pointing out all the flaws sry i took it like that jus how it came off to me
This guy is in his late 20s with a kid. It's a little terrifying.
That's not too bad grundle. Still, if you're applying to a guild you better damned well sure you're trying to gear and gem up. Fuck I'd burn some elixirs and log out just so they can see what elixirs I run with (if armory still shows that).
If I had no interest, I don't know, I'd probably still do it because who doesn't gem or enchant the shit out of their gear?
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That's not too bad grundle. Still, if you're applying to a guild you better damned well sure you're trying to gear and gem up. Fuck I'd burn some elixirs and log out just so they can see what elixirs I run with (if armory still shows that).
If I had no interest, I don't know, I'd probably still do it because who doesn't gem or enchant the shit out of their gear?
Last I checked armory wasn't showing buffs or elixirs anymore, which is how I prefer it.
That's not too bad grundle. Still, if you're applying to a guild you better damned well sure you're trying to gear and gem up. Fuck I'd burn some elixirs and log out just so they can see what elixirs I run with (if armory still shows that).
If I had no interest, I don't know, I'd probably still do it because who doesn't gem or enchant the shit out of their gear?
He said in his application that he wanted to raid, and that he wanted to raid as prot. I'm not sure what I was supposed to take out of that except "i want to tank the content you're raiding," which in this case will be Ulduar. My comments were along the lines of "this guy is AC exalted but no head glyph, Hodir honored but no shoulder enchant (he has 12 stamina, i think), no enchant on his gloves, cheap leg kit on his T7, and a bad spec. This doesn't scream 'I want to be a good tank' to me."
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Forums really make me lose faith in the educational system. Like, I get that it's an web forum, you don't have to write like an English major or anything like that, but jesus christ at least make an effort to communicate clearly.
A prot warrior applied on my guild forum. I critiqued his build and gear, including (but not limited to) the fact that he had no head glyph, honored Hodir but no enchant, no glove enchant, etc etc. His friend in the guild took serious offense to my evaluation, and responded with these gems.
well his gear isnt the best because he hasnt been tanking for his guild and either is his dps set because he hasnt had much luck with his guild runs or pugs that they have done but i use to raid all the time with him pre wrath and he was a very nice tank.. when he raids its not all about gearing himself rather than getting others gear. Weaks my homeboy and yes his raid schedule looks all f*cked up from the fact his job is being random with his hours.
lol he understands hes not very well geard but if u read he hasnt had much luck with running raids and his work has him off and on so he hasnt really been able to.. not everyone has time to go grind through dailies everyday jus time to do certains stuff. lol if u really thought he was expectin to tank ulduar. Hes not looking to bum off us jus looking for a guild thats cool and if asked to help he is willing
im not gonna argue over this kearu ur cool I was jus notifying in my earlier post what has been goin on which has happend for him not aquiring better gear and u went straight into thinking he was expectin to tank ulduar. and they r better raid times and yes hed like to c more content jus maybe u skipped some info on my post or it was posted not in the right manor. and i took ur message as to knocking a guy down pointing out all the flaws sry i took it like that jus how it came off to me
This guy is in his late 20s with a kid. It's a little terrifying.
I'd boot him from the guild with a few olols as punctuation.
YOU MUST SPEAK ENGLISH TO RIDE THIS RIDE
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I'm not sure if we're miscommunicating or saying the same thing. People had expressed mild concern that the best WoW guild in the world downed YS within a day. My point was more that it required the highest degree of min-maxing (to the point of speccing for 164 reduced AP on the boss) from the best guild in the world to clear the instance on easymode.
I don't think we'll see Joe Bad downing YS this week. Or next week. On normal, let alone hardmode.
Well, keep in mind that the top guild there didn't have the whole raid geared in the best shit available. That's going to be the difference; they beat Y-S in mostly Naxx gear, as opposed to mostly Ulduar gear.
BIS prior to Ulduar means some of your upgrades are coming from hard mode 25 man.
Personally I dislike the notion that you have to farm the bosses leading up to the "Final Boss" of an instance for a couple of weeks before you can meet the gear requirements to make genuine attempts.
As many have said here, if they had cleared Ulduar 25 man hard mode in BIS from Naxx, Maly and Sarth, there'd be a problem. But since they haven't and won't, it isn't.
pretty much the only thing we do on our recruitment forum is critique applicants' character wrt pve. the best is hunters, they'll get like 5-6 detailed responses with suggestions/compliments/whatever even though we haven't been recruiting hunters for years.
That's not too bad grundle. Still, if you're applying to a guild you better damned well sure you're trying to gear and gem up. Fuck I'd burn some elixirs and log out just so they can see what elixirs I run with (if armory still shows that).
If I had no interest, I don't know, I'd probably still do it because who doesn't gem or enchant the shit out of their gear?
He said in his application that he wanted to raid, and that he wanted to raid as prot. I'm not sure what I was supposed to take out of that except "i want to tank the content you're raiding," which in this case will be Ulduar. My comments were along the lines of "this guy is AC exalted but no head glyph, Hodir honored but no shoulder enchant (he has 12 stamina, i think), no enchant on his gloves, cheap leg kit on his T7, and a bad spec. This doesn't scream 'I want to be a good tank' to me."
Well. I rescind my comment. I'd just invite him and then kick him out of spite. I'm an asshole though.
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That's not too bad grundle. Still, if you're applying to a guild you better damned well sure you're trying to gear and gem up. Fuck I'd burn some elixirs and log out just so they can see what elixirs I run with (if armory still shows that).
If I had no interest, I don't know, I'd probably still do it because who doesn't gem or enchant the shit out of their gear?
He said in his application that he wanted to raid, and that he wanted to raid as prot. I'm not sure what I was supposed to take out of that except "i want to tank the content you're raiding," which in this case will be Ulduar. My comments were along the lines of "this guy is AC exalted but no head glyph, Hodir honored but no shoulder enchant (he has 12 stamina, i think), no enchant on his gloves, cheap leg kit on his T7, and a bad spec. This doesn't scream 'I want to be a good tank' to me."
Dude, grundle. I asked you in the warrior thread and I'm gonna say it again.
WHY ARE YOU IN THIS GUILD?!
Look, you can transfer over to my server, join my guild, then we can be MA-WoW homies and you can be free of the tards.
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I will say that I was on early yesterday morning and was able to run several heroics. In the afternoon it was impossible to get anything done. Same thing people have been describing, the instance would lock up and you would be stuck casting. They did rolling restarts this morning, I'm hoping that they figured out what was going on. If not I'll use this time to quest and get some of the gold back that I spent on my guys for dual spec.
I have to say I'm in love with dual spec. Between my shaman and my warrior, I have ranged DPS, melee DPS, a tank, and a healer. So much love.
Nah I'll just regale at my tales of woe. I guess you're welcome to ignore me. I enjoy my suffering and would like you to enjoy my suffering too.
Whoever complained about that is more of a retard than the retards in my guild. Now that's saying something.
I did notice that your faction's vendor sells little doodads that give you 250 rep for that city for one champion's seal.
Exalted with all factions, here I come (yes I know there's a substantial grind in between, it still beats running all over hell's creation on a landspeed mount for those stupid Azeroth quests and then filling in the gaps with runecloth).
HARDMODES
It's like "come oooooooonnnn boredom!"
Oh guys, we're about to kill Yogg Saron, BETTER WIPE COS WE DIDNT TAKE LONG ENOUGH
Yeah that's pretty much my only gripe with the tournament, also that the Black Knight Questline just up and stops until you hit the next rank. Since I didn't get to play much on patch day I'm gonna have to wait til tomorrow before I even get to the next seal rank.
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The basic argument most people have with "vehicles" in instances is "I rolled a x class to play x class, not to get into an instance and be forced to play as a simplified version of y." Your argument seems to have less to do with the vehicles themselves and more to do with the people you play with, otherwise you would have hated Chess (i.e, being forced to play a class with 4 hotkeys that isn't your class). You could just make a hotkey that puts out "I hate raiding with retards," which would cut down on the arguments you have to make
It's not so much that, it's more like Halfmex said, you clear the content in two days and then have nothing to do (blah blah yeah yeah hardmodes but you know the same guild will be clearin that in a week or so anyway)
And then these same people bitch wine moan and complain that there's nothing to do and that Blizzard sucks at making instances that cater to their awesome uberness and all that other bitching they tend to do.
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I don't know if you've seen Ulduar25, but a lot of the DPS checks are difficult to meet even with full BiS t7 25man. The hardmodes require around an additional 1k-1.5k dps from everyone. At least. You don't get that with current gear.
The only thing is that with the leviathon you basically are playing your class... except if you're the bike. That fight would be awesome if the tanking vehicles could do the oil slicks so the OT and MT could basically do what they always do instead of relying on a DPS to help them tank. The bikes should be for picking up people for the catapults and maybe a little dps gunner in the side car which I'm really sad they didn't add in.
I mean, you know, whatever, it's no skin off my nose, I'm just a bit bewildered by the practice I guess because as Reigner said, these are the same cats that have been busting Blizzards balls for not releasing difficult enough content fast enough. It seems like a viscious cycle.
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"Tardo Wan" sounds like a Jedi that required 436 years to train and then killed himself by looking into his lightsaber while turning it on."
I wasn't saying it mockingly. You never see it, and I think it's awesome that they min/max to the point, that Ulduar is hard enough, that 40% extra debuff on demo makes a significant difference. Like I said, I think it's awesome.
XT hits for about 20k, with a 2second swing.
Kologarn hits for about 22k with a 10k shockwave that hits the whole raid.
Iron Council Steelbreaker hits very very hard. Around 25k a hit.
Auraiya hits for about 18k a hit.
I don't think we'll see Joe Bad downing YS this week. Or next week. On normal, let alone hardmode.
Well, keep in mind that the top guild there didn't have the whole raid geared in the best shit available. That's going to be the difference; they beat Y-S in mostly Naxx gear, as opposed to mostly Ulduar gear.
You could kill Mag in Kara gear. SSC and TK in Kara/Gruul/Mag gear. Hyjal and BT in tier 5. etc etc
The exception is probably Sunwell.
A prot warrior applied on my guild forum. I critiqued his build and gear, including (but not limited to) the fact that he had no head glyph, honored Hodir but no enchant, no glove enchant, etc etc. His friend in the guild took serious offense to my evaluation, and responded with these gems.
This guy is in his late 20s with a kid. It's a little terrifying.
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Odd. Mine has jump up 10 to 20 fps since the patch hit. Granted I play on absolute minimum settings, but it is still a very nice change.
Grundlestiltskin, that is some horrible writing. I feel bad for your guild mate and maybe even worse for his kid.
I am not impressed with Blizzard's timing on the patch as finals start in 10 days. This gives me no room to play!
If I had no interest, I don't know, I'd probably still do it because who doesn't gem or enchant the shit out of their gear?
Better skip finals, or else by the time you get back you won't be able to get into Ulduar groups unless you're in full Ulduar gear.
Last I checked armory wasn't showing buffs or elixirs anymore, which is how I prefer it.
He said in his application that he wanted to raid, and that he wanted to raid as prot. I'm not sure what I was supposed to take out of that except "i want to tank the content you're raiding," which in this case will be Ulduar. My comments were along the lines of "this guy is AC exalted but no head glyph, Hodir honored but no shoulder enchant (he has 12 stamina, i think), no enchant on his gloves, cheap leg kit on his T7, and a bad spec. This doesn't scream 'I want to be a good tank' to me."
I'd boot him from the guild with a few olols as punctuation.
YOU MUST SPEAK ENGLISH TO RIDE THIS RIDE
BIS prior to Ulduar means some of your upgrades are coming from hard mode 25 man.
Personally I dislike the notion that you have to farm the bosses leading up to the "Final Boss" of an instance for a couple of weeks before you can meet the gear requirements to make genuine attempts.
As many have said here, if they had cleared Ulduar 25 man hard mode in BIS from Naxx, Maly and Sarth, there'd be a problem. But since they haven't and won't, it isn't.
Well. I rescind my comment. I'd just invite him and then kick him out of spite. I'm an asshole though.
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Dude, grundle. I asked you in the warrior thread and I'm gonna say it again.
WHY ARE YOU IN THIS GUILD?!
Look, you can transfer over to my server, join my guild, then we can be MA-WoW homies and you can be free of the tards.
I thought the last time that word was acceptably used was at the very last Kid n' Play concert.