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  • The Muffin ManThe Muffin Man Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Has anyone ever seen a wow map that has locations of quest givers marked on it? Not how to do quests, just quest givers. I'm sure someone's been working on something like that since Loremaster.

    I'm just annoyed that apparently it's beyond QuestHelper to tell you where to go get quests in the first place.
    Tourguide.
    It practically holds your hand, even telling you where a mob drops a quest item for a new quest line.

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  • reVersereVerse Attack and Dethrone God Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Also, it's a commonly believed fact that there is in fact no such thing as tank or healer shortage, the tanks and healers just don't want to risk getting into shitty, stressful pugs.

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  • HalfmexHalfmex I mock your value system You also appear foolish in the eyes of othersRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Arkan wrote: »
    Because the people who were too lazy to farm as a non-DPS spec before are still lazy now, they're just too lazy to have enough money all at once to pay for dual-spec.
    Honestly I think it's more that a lot of people just don't like to tank/heal. There will always be more damage dealers than tanks and healers in these games, at least until someone figures out how to make those roles as fun as making big numbers flash and big monsters fall down.

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  • Paradox ControlParadox Control Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I only list my self as DPS because I'm still new to tanking. But honestly, after tanking 25 OS last night with the guild, I think I can start listing my self as both.

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    My second spec is another tanking spec. WOOPS

    :^:

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  • SegSeg Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    TheUnsane1 wrote: »
    Lots of people got dual specs for a pvp build to go with a normal raid/group build. I do not believe this is working as intended 100%. Maybe offer Tri spec in a hot fix for 1500g or something would have people heal or tank.

    People who don't want to tank or heal won't magically decide that tanking or healing is worth it once a 3rd option is available.

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  • TheCrumblyCrackerTheCrumblyCracker Registered User
    edited April 2009
    I am assuming you are a dk :P. Once you get the basics down (Aoe tanking and single target threat). You are good to tank anything your gear will let you!

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  • OatsOats Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Arkan wrote: »
    Because the people who were too lazy to farm as a non-DPS spec before are still lazy now, they're just too lazy to have enough money all at once to pay for dual-spec.

    I started up a warrior on a new server.

    Bought my epic mount at 60, dual specs at 70, flying at 73 and I'm 75 now with enough cash for CWflying.

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  • xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Halfmex wrote: »
    Arkan wrote: »
    Because the people who were too lazy to farm as a non-DPS spec before are still lazy now, they're just too lazy to have enough money all at once to pay for dual-spec.
    Honestly I think it's more that a lot of people just don't like to tank/heal. There will always be more damage dealers than tanks and healers in these games, at least until someone figures out how to make those roles as fun as making big numbers flash and big monsters fall down.

    I don't mind tanking.. not as DK. It just feels like DPS where I don't have to watch my threat. But every time someone looks at my gear they're all "no thanks, l2p nub".

    In other words, people's snobbery contributes to the problem as much as people not wanting to tank. ;)

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  • ArkanArkan Registered User
    edited April 2009
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    My second spec is another tanking spec. WOOPS

    :^:

    yo dawg, I heard you like tanking so I put dual specs in your WoW character so you can tank while you tank

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  • lionheart_mlionheart_m Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Halfmex wrote: »
    Arkan wrote: »
    Because the people who were too lazy to farm as a non-DPS spec before are still lazy now, they're just too lazy to have enough money all at once to pay for dual-spec.
    Honestly I think it's more that a lot of people just don't like to tank/heal. There will always be more damage dealers than tanks and healers in these games, at least until someone figures out how to make those roles as fun as making big numbers flash and big monsters fall down.

    Pfft, I'm happy with my 7k Crit Holy Shield Slams, that I don't have to run around getting adds down and that it's ok if I stand in the fire because unlike those lower class citizens I will be healed* (ok maybe not all the time but I can get away with it more often).

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  • HalfmexHalfmex I mock your value system You also appear foolish in the eyes of othersRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    xzzy wrote: »
    Halfmex wrote: »
    Arkan wrote: »
    Because the people who were too lazy to farm as a non-DPS spec before are still lazy now, they're just too lazy to have enough money all at once to pay for dual-spec.
    Honestly I think it's more that a lot of people just don't like to tank/heal. There will always be more damage dealers than tanks and healers in these games, at least until someone figures out how to make those roles as fun as making big numbers flash and big monsters fall down.
    I don't mind tanking.. not as DK. It just feels like DPS where I don't have to watch my threat. But every time someone looks at my gear they're all "no thanks, l2p nub".

    In other words, people's snobbery contributes to the problem as much as people not wanting to tank. ;)
    Yeah, the first time I've tanked since EQ was with my DK a few weeks ago. It's not that much different than DPS (other than that I do far less of it), but it's just too much pressure for me. I don't like being solely responsible for the welfare and success of nine or twenty-four other people. That's just not fun for me.

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  • Paradox ControlParadox Control Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I am assuming you are a dk :P. Once you get the basics down (Aoe tanking and single target threat). You are good to tank anything your gear will let you!

    Yeah thats pretty much it. Threat is never going to be an issue from what I can tell.

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  • TheUnsane1TheUnsane1 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Personally I don't heal on my priest because the character was rolled to be a shadow priest for my guild and his name is Vhader.... no priest name Vhader should be running around not in shadow form. My Dk I wanted to be a tank but my old guild had a tank surplus to the point where I was number 7 tank on the food chain, as such I went to unholy dps.

    The thing I get alot from friends and guild mates who refuse to tank/heal is they don't wanna be yelled at. Most groups don't yell at dps who half know how to play, now a healer or tank with the same skill level as said meh dpser in a group... he's getting dogged on.

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  • TheCrumblyCrackerTheCrumblyCracker Registered User
    edited April 2009
    Arkan wrote: »
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    My second spec is another tanking spec. WOOPS

    :^:

    yo dawg, I heard you like tanking so I put dual specs in your WoW character so you can tank while you tank

    To be fair I have the general Warrior tank spec and the insaneo 7.5k TPS single target spec.

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  • DmanDman Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    TheUnsane1 wrote: »
    Personally I don't heal on my priest because the character was rolled to be a shadow priest for my guild and his name is Vhader.... no priest name Vhader should be running around not in shadow form. My Dk I wanted to be a tank but my old guild had a tank surplus to the point where I was number 7 tank on the food chain, as such I went to unholy dps.

    The thing I get alot from friends and guild mates who refuse to tank/heal is they don't wanna be yelled at. Most groups don't yell at dps who half know how to play, now a healer or tank with the same skill level as said meh dpser in a group... he's getting dogged on.

    Well, dps is a rotation (faceroll) and healing (unless your MT healer) is whackamole. Whackamole is harder than dpsing because if you screw up your rotation you loose maybe 50dps on the fight overall, if the healer screws up whackamole it's a wipe.

    I have noticed groups are starting to yell at the dps for standing in the fire instead of the healer for not healing him, which is a nice change.

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  • TheUnsane1TheUnsane1 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    In your scenario that leaves tanking to be Simon/DDR I guess, since really the tanks job is make sure this guy is here facing this way at this time.

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  • DranythDranyth Surf ColoradoRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    TheUnsane1 wrote: »
    Personally I don't heal on my priest because the character was rolled to be a shadow priest for my guild and his name is Vhader.... no priest name Vhader should be running around not in shadow form. My Dk I wanted to be a tank but my old guild had a tank surplus to the point where I was number 7 tank on the food chain, as such I went to unholy dps.

    The thing I get alot from friends and guild mates who refuse to tank/heal is they don't wanna be yelled at. Most groups don't yell at dps who half know how to play, now a healer or tank with the same skill level as said meh dpser in a group... he's getting dogged on.

    Ugh, the Heroic HoL I healed last night... we had a warrior tank who was putting out about 700-800 DPS, so his threat wasn't great. Luckily the Frost Mage and I don't know which spec DK were *maybe* putting out 1k DPS each. Though when they were hitting other targets, they were still pulling off of him sometimes...

    The one that saved the run was the Destro Warlock (all these people were from the same guild) that they brought in after the rogue we had bailed when we wiped on the first boss. The Destro Lock was easily putting out 2.2k DPS or so, but I think she could've managed more if the tank had been able to hold onto what she was hitting. I tried my damnedest to make sure that Lock stayed alive as much as possible, because if she went down, the rest of the pull would go *sooo* slow. Or we just wouldn't kill the boss, like what happened with the second boss...

    The rather amusing thing was that despite the mediocrity of the overall group, we did all three boss achievements. And Loken still didn't drop my damn belt.

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Arkan wrote: »
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    My second spec is another tanking spec. WOOPS

    :^:

    yo dawg, I heard you like tanking so I put dual specs in your WoW character so you can tank while you tank

    I'm curious if there were flashing sirens or falling balloons when you hit submit reply. You'd think that might happen for the billionth time a joke has been used. Did Dick Clark pop up? Or Dick Cabot?

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited April 2009
    Hamurabi wrote: »
    Arkan wrote: »
    Javen wrote: »
    They really kind of shafted Mages in Ulduar. They get all the shitty jobs. Scrapbot duty, Shatter duty, add duty galore, I feel for them.

    I dunno, once I matured a bit and got out of my noobish "OMG BOSS > EVERYTHING" mindset I find that I enjoy working on adds more than I enjoy working on the boss. 9 times out of 10 you have to run around and be active doing different things on adds, whereas if you're on the boss you just park your butt and faceroll the DPS button.

    But if you don't do at least 6k DPS, how will people know you're good at raiding?

    Oh man.

    Actual forum quotation time!

    Guess which is me.

    Guess which is the amassed horde.
    3.5k standing DPS is more than you need (and above what you should expect) from people in N10 gear and with 10 man buffs. Especially since the majority of the fights are about movement and DPS on things that move.

    Absolutely wrong. I pull 4.5k+ with two pieces of 25 man gear, it is not difficult if you know your rotations and how to play your class.
    An aside: Mages do a disproportionate amount of 'DPS' compared to their actual damage done. Its one of the few consistent things I've seen in recount.

    You do more DPS on a boss that you kill relatively quickly without any movement, as you then spend a greater % of the fight under the effects of bloodlust. The more 'DPS' your raid does, the higher your personal 'DPS' will be.

    Taking people at their word for standing DPS would be a mistake going into Ulduar.

    Using standing DPS as the gauge would be a mistake going into Ulduar. You are not going to be pulling your patchwerk DPS on a single boss in Ulduar, I promise you that.

    The important thing in Ulduar is being reactionary to the many, many things that are happening in a fight. Dead DPS does zero DPS causes wipes.

    With 3 healers and 2 tanks your DPS should be putting out roughly 3k DPS on average on moving targets in order to down the bosses before their enrage timers, and that was before they put in the nerfs on the bosses with tightly tuned enrage timers.
    I already pulled around my patch DPS while handling adds on XT, and during the razorscale attempts I had, I was doing patch DPS during the ground phase, and even on the new VoA boss Emalon. Switching targets is a huge issue for melee, not for casters, which is why I blend the raid, rather than going with a full melee or full caster group.
    DPS to the boss =/= AoE damages on his pittance adds. Next a druid will be showing up talking about his 9k DPS in heroics.
    Your not very bright, his BOSS dps is as good as patch, not overall damage. If you haven't figured out how to look at only boss damage on an add fight than you should not be in his thread.
    " I already pulled around my patch DPS while handling adds on XT"

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  • EriosErios Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Also, XT is a terrible benchmark fight since any class with a dps cooldown and bloodlust will spike their fight dps thanks to heart phases.

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  • ArkanArkan Registered User
    edited April 2009
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    Arkan wrote: »
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    My second spec is another tanking spec. WOOPS

    :^:

    yo dawg, I heard you like tanking so I put dual specs in your WoW character so you can tank while you tank

    I'm curious if there were flashing sirens or falling balloons when you hit submit reply. You'd think that might happen for the billionth time a joke has been used. Did Dick Clark pop up? Or Dick Cabot?

    No, but I do thoroughly enjoy beating dead horses, good sir. It gives me a good chuckle.

    Plus this joke is still new to me, I only started hearing it like 3 weeks ago and only once in a while.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited April 2009
    I don't trust a single person to be honest about their DPS.

    Ever.

    I just watch recount on a variety of fights and try to see where a person isrelative to other people who are doing the same job.

    Asking for DPS as a benchmark to get into a U10 raid? Dumb. Asking for 3.5k+ DPS as the benchmark? Congrats, you're gonna get a bunch of liars.

    If you can do 4k DPS to a single target, your guild should have downed Sarth3d on 10 man, because that's all you need spread out among 8 DPS to kill him before the 3rd drake.

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