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  • RizziRizzi Sydney, Australia.Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I have a macro related question.
    Is it possible to make a macro that will cast Haunt when it's ready and Shadowbolt when it isn't?
    I can only refresh so many dots D:

    Rizzi on
  • ArkanArkan Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    xzzy wrote: »
    Opty wrote: »
    Also people worried about getting their passwords brute forced: do you really think Blizzard would let someone try passwords for the 100 hours+ it'd take to figure out your password? C'mon now. And even so, you'd need to tell people which email you've signed up for your WoW account with in the first place. Buncha paranoia is all it is.

    Doesn't change the fact it's much easier to get an email address than a username. I've been using the same address for 10 years, google my forum name and you could have it in under a minute.

    I just don't see why Blizzard has to make it any easier. 11 million accounts, it's a certainty that a notable portion of them have bad passwords. Get the email address and you're halfway there.

    The people with bad passwords are the sort of people who are going to get keylogged and give people they don't know well their information anyway; this won't change anything.

    Arkan on
    Big, honkin' pile of WoW characters
    I think it's hard for someone not to rage at mario kart, while shouting "Fuck you Donkey Kong. Whose dick did you suck to get all those red shells?"
  • reVersereVerse Attack and Dethrone God Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Arkan wrote: »
    xzzy wrote: »
    Opty wrote: »
    Also people worried about getting their passwords brute forced: do you really think Blizzard would let someone try passwords for the 100 hours+ it'd take to figure out your password? C'mon now. And even so, you'd need to tell people which email you've signed up for your WoW account with in the first place. Buncha paranoia is all it is.

    Doesn't change the fact it's much easier to get an email address than a username. I've been using the same address for 10 years, google my forum name and you could have it in under a minute.

    I just don't see why Blizzard has to make it any easier. 11 million accounts, it's a certainty that a notable portion of them have bad passwords. Get the email address and you're halfway there.

    The people with bad passwords are the sort of people who are going to get keylogged and give people they don't know well their information anyway; this won't change anything.

    "I'm always talking about how I love my puppy, Muffins. How did they guess that my password was 'muff1ns'?"

    reVerse on
  • xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Rizzi wrote: »
    I have a macro related question.
    Is it possible to make a macro that will cast Haunt when it's ready and Shadowbolt when it isn't?
    I can only refresh so many dots D:

    Nope. You used to be able to do something like

    /cast spell
    /stopcasting
    /cast other spell


    And have it work on a fallthrough, but it doesn't seem to do that anymore.

    xzzy on
  • xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Arkan wrote: »
    The people with bad passwords are the sort of people who are going to get keylogged and give people they don't know well their information anyway; this won't change anything.

    Excellent logic!

    Because people get hacked anyways, we might as well make it easy.

    xzzy on
  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I still haven't seen anyone explain exactly what the benefit to me of merging is.

    I don't play any other Battle.net games, so there's no convenience factor for me.
    I don't use the WoW forums, so not being able to post on there isn't going to kill me.

    So until I hear exactly what the benefits of merging are, besides the ever-enjoyable "lol u can use 1 account for everyfing now" benefit, I don't see why I need to spend 5-10 mins doing something like this anyway.I'll spend my 5-10 minutes in a different fashion,.

    Dhalphir on
  • ArkanArkan Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    xzzy wrote: »
    Arkan wrote: »
    The people with bad passwords are the sort of people who are going to get keylogged and give people they don't know well their information anyway; this won't change anything.

    Excellent logic!

    Because people get hacked anyways, we might as well make it easy.

    Nothing could be closer to the truth yet still miss the point entirely.

    Arkan on
    Big, honkin' pile of WoW characters
    I think it's hard for someone not to rage at mario kart, while shouting "Fuck you Donkey Kong. Whose dick did you suck to get all those red shells?"
  • RizziRizzi Sydney, Australia.Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    xzzy wrote: »
    Rizzi wrote: »
    I have a macro related question.
    Is it possible to make a macro that will cast Haunt when it's ready and Shadowbolt when it isn't?
    I can only refresh so many dots D:

    Nope. You used to be able to do something like

    /cast spell
    /stopcasting
    /cast other spell


    And have it work on a fallthrough, but it doesn't seem to do that anymore.

    Aw.
    :(

    Rizzi on
  • Racist JokeRacist Joke Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    I still haven't seen anyone explain exactly what the benefit to me of merging is.

    I don't play any other Battle.net games, so there's no convenience factor for me.
    I don't use the WoW forums, so not being able to post on there isn't going to kill me.

    So until I hear exactly what the benefits of merging are, besides the ever-enjoyable "lol u can use 1 account for everyfing now" benefit, I don't see why I need to spend 5-10 mins doing something like this anyway.I'll spend my 5-10 minutes in a different fashion,.

    Blizz did say that eventually, you will need to merge it or else you won't be able to log in at all. Either way, if you want to continue playing down the road, you'll need to do it.

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I'll wait, in that case.
    Merge the account once its necessary, and once any major kinks in the system have been worked out.

    Dhalphir on
  • RizziRizzi Sydney, Australia.Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Bah! Proto-Drake Whelp. I wanted the mount.. :(

    Rizzi on
  • GrundlestiltskinGrundlestiltskin Behind you!Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Rizzi wrote: »
    Bah! Proto-Drake Whelp. I wanted the mount.. :(

    I still need the whelp and the mount. Something like 3 white tickbird hatchlings, 2 tickbird hatchlings, 1 cobra hatchling, and 2 yokes so far :-/

    Grundlestiltskin on
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  • OptyOpty Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    I'll wait, in that case.
    Merge the account once its necessary, and once any major kinks in the system have been worked out.
    That's my stance. Also you don't need to merge to post on the official boards, I posted earlier today and I haven't merged yet.

    Opty on
  • MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I have Starcraft, Warcraft 3 and Diablo 2. I love them but they are in the States and I am not. Thus right now even if I merge my accounts it will not be much use with out those keys. The idea is basically Blizzard's steam which I wouldn't mind. I do love steam since it lets me get US games which sometimes is a pain over here.

    But not worth the effort till I hav my cd-keys or till they force me.

    Mazzyx on
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  • Paradox ControlParadox Control Master MC Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I just merged my account, and logged in to WoW just fine. Guess I'm just lucky.

    Paradox Control on
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  • Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    So did my first two instances as a tank today. Heroic Violet Hold and heroic UK. VH only had one wipe, but it's pretty easy to tank. We got the eye boss and the ethereal boss. The ethereal boss was so easy. I just kited him around the back then turned around when the orbs were coming up behind me. Why did people have trouble with him?

    UK was another story. I've got to have a lot more practice in pulling groups, as we had 3 wipes. None of them on bosses. The 3.1 changes will help, with Avenger's Shield silencing enemies for 3 seconds, but it's still going to take a lot of getting used to. Gotta learn the best way to pull groups and get initial threat with enemies that like to stand still and toss shit.

    Cilla Black on
  • DunxcoDunxco Should get a suit Never skips breakfastRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Utgarde Keep can be a bit unforgiving on a first-time Tanking experience (personally I'd say it was more intensive on the Healer than the Tank), but Violet Hold was a great choice to start out with. There's only two bosses who're remotely challenging in there; the Voidwalker and the Water Elemental. Luckily for caster mobs who like to stand still I've got Death Grip, or at the worst case scenario Strangulate. It's a bit strange that the heroic difficulty curve is completely out of sync with the dungeons that you'd have gone through while levelling. Azjol-Nerub, while fast, gives me all sorts of headaches from trigger-happy DPS on heroic mode. At the other end of the scale, heroic Culling of Stratholme is stupidly easy.

    Edit: While I'm at it - anyone got any good recommendations for epic tanking trinkets? Currently rocking Essence of Gossamer and Valor Medal of the First War, but I can't forsee using the Essence of Gossamer forever (although +1110 HP is damn nice on one trinket, that thing is hax). I'm at 541 Defense currently, I'd link my Armoury but I can't get onto WoW and logged out in my RP gear - but in general, what should I try and get as a Frost DK, do you think? Or is Essence good enough for now and wait until Ulduar to see if something equivalent/better drops?

    Dunxco on
  • ArkanArkan Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Essence is fine, don't be bothered by its blue text name.

    Arkan on
    Big, honkin' pile of WoW characters
    I think it's hard for someone not to rage at mario kart, while shouting "Fuck you Donkey Kong. Whose dick did you suck to get all those red shells?"
  • AldarezAldarez Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    So did my first two instances as a tank today. Heroic Violet Hold and heroic UK. VH only had one wipe, but it's pretty easy to tank. We got the eye boss and the ethereal boss. The ethereal boss was so easy. I just kited him around the back then turned around when the orbs were coming up behind me. Why did people have trouble with him?

    UK was another story. I've got to have a lot more practice in pulling groups, as we had 3 wipes. None of them on bosses. The 3.1 changes will help, with Avenger's Shield silencing enemies for 3 seconds, but it's still going to take a lot of getting used to. Gotta learn the best way to pull groups and get initial threat with enemies that like to stand still and toss shit.

    One of the best tips I think a paladin tank can be given is this - Stop pulling with Avenger's Shield. Charge in and drop Consecration, and then if you still need to get threat on mobs you can throw your shield and Judgement at them. If there's a ranged mob I can't safely/easily get close to I'll often just hold it with taunts and judgements.

    Aldarez on
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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited March 2009
    Aldarez wrote: »
    So did my first two instances as a tank today. Heroic Violet Hold and heroic UK. VH only had one wipe, but it's pretty easy to tank. We got the eye boss and the ethereal boss. The ethereal boss was so easy. I just kited him around the back then turned around when the orbs were coming up behind me. Why did people have trouble with him?

    UK was another story. I've got to have a lot more practice in pulling groups, as we had 3 wipes. None of them on bosses. The 3.1 changes will help, with Avenger's Shield silencing enemies for 3 seconds, but it's still going to take a lot of getting used to. Gotta learn the best way to pull groups and get initial threat with enemies that like to stand still and toss shit.

    One of the best tips I think a paladin tank can be given is this - Stop pulling with Avenger's Shield. Charge in and drop Consecration, and then if you still need to get threat on mobs you can throw your shield and Judgement at them. If there's a ranged mob I can't safely/easily get close to I'll often just hold it with taunts and judgements.
    Or you can be a good tank and LoS the ranged mobs after pulling with Shield, thus eliminating all the risk.

    Sterica on
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  • AldarezAldarez Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Rorus Raz wrote: »
    Aldarez wrote: »
    So did my first two instances as a tank today. Heroic Violet Hold and heroic UK. VH only had one wipe, but it's pretty easy to tank. We got the eye boss and the ethereal boss. The ethereal boss was so easy. I just kited him around the back then turned around when the orbs were coming up behind me. Why did people have trouble with him?

    UK was another story. I've got to have a lot more practice in pulling groups, as we had 3 wipes. None of them on bosses. The 3.1 changes will help, with Avenger's Shield silencing enemies for 3 seconds, but it's still going to take a lot of getting used to. Gotta learn the best way to pull groups and get initial threat with enemies that like to stand still and toss shit.

    One of the best tips I think a paladin tank can be given is this - Stop pulling with Avenger's Shield. Charge in and drop Consecration, and then if you still need to get threat on mobs you can throw your shield and Judgement at them. If there's a ranged mob I can't safely/easily get close to I'll often just hold it with taunts and judgements.
    Or you can be a good tank and LoS the ranged mobs after pulling with Shield, thus eliminating all the risk.

    Sometimes LoS just isn't an option, and it slows pulls right down if you're sitting there waiting for mobs that have been hit with AS.

    I'm pretty sure the tank who can hold threat without needing to LoS is the better one.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    If LoS isn't an option, you have your group sit far back, run in, pull at range, and run the fuck back.

    LoS pulls were something people used to make fun of me for when the game was new. What's worse is, even after it caught on, people didn't understand that THEY had to be out of LoS too.

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  • GrundlestiltskinGrundlestiltskin Behind you!Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Nothing bad ever happened from LoSing a pull and taking your time. Lots of bad things can happen when you run headfirst into a group. 9 times out of 10 it's best to play it safe, particularly in pugs.

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  • AldarezAldarez Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    If you don't know the instance well, sure, play it safe. Calling me a bad tank because I know what's going on and have no need to LoS is just silly though.

    edit: In my experience, 9 times out of 10 pugs will fuck up your attempts to LoS pull anyway.

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  • GrundlestiltskinGrundlestiltskin Behind you!Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    You can know the instance like the back of your hand and the four other retards can still do something to fuck it up. LoSing pulls limits their opportunities to do that. Nobody said you're a bad tank, but I don't think running headlong into packs and dismissing the idea of LoS entirely makes you some cutting edge supertank.

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  • AldarezAldarez Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Being a good tank was offered as an alternative to my method, so it was implied. I'm over it now though.

    I just like to tear through instances as quickly as I can, and I don't see any good reason to slow things down with LoS unless there's a patrol to dodge or something. I will concede that there are times it is a very good idea, but there are also many pulls that people like to LoS that they just don't need to, and I'm being completely honest why I say that someone messes up my attempts to LoS anyway, more often than not, so I've taken to relying on it very little.

    If it works for you, then cool. My way works too :)

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  • xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    You can know the instance like the back of your hand and the four other retards can still do something to fuck it up. LoSing pulls limits their opportunities to do that. Nobody said you're a bad tank, but I don't think running headlong into packs and dismissing the idea of LoS entirely makes you some cutting edge supertank.

    But it sure is fun to run in without worry. Having shit go haywire and coming out on top is a ton of fun. It sucks it usually means the healer is a stressed out wreck though.

    xzzy on
  • BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Utgarde Keep was my first Wotlk tanking instance where I had to deal with a death knight whom harassed me into off tanking/dpsing

    Tanking the ethereal boss in Heroic Vh is a pain because of the shitty healers I have attempted it with

    I don't know if I will create a battlenet account because I do play wow and I started to play Warcraft 3 again
    I have never played Starcraft since when it first came out people discouraged me from trying it



    I am just generality getting bored with the game again since all I do is dailies and play with alts I would like to raid but people keep doing the link achievement/I will armoury you bs before an invite to a pug

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  • PierceNeckPierceNeck Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I have a feeling my guild is going to collapse in the near future. Or at least stop raiding for the most part.

    PierceNeck on
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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited March 2009
    Brainleech wrote: »
    I am just generality getting bored with the game again since all I do is dailies and play with alts I would like to raid but people keep doing the link achievement/I will armoury you bs before an invite to a pug
    That's what happens when you lower the entry to raids and uh...don't make harder raids afterwards for nearly half a year.

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    There really aren't very many situations in wrath five mans that need a gen-u-ine, "don't dps for five seconds" LoS pull. In fact, I can't really think of any.

    There are a couple of spots where pulling back is mildly useful, but none where it's required.

    Eat it You Nasty Pig. on
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  • CharusCharus Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Dyscord wrote: »
    There really aren't very many situations in wrath five mans that need a gen-u-ine, "don't dps for five seconds" LoS pull. In fact, I can't really think of any.

    There are a couple of spots where pulling back is mildly useful, but none where it's required.

    There's one. In the big room in Utgarde Pinnacle between Skadi and King Ymiron, the first pull is a 4-pack of 2 Necromancers and 2 Berserkers. There's a pat that will pull if you fight them in place, the Necros stand still and cast and the Berserkers AoE fear. And every ranged and healer will just stand in that goddamn hallway casting like an idiot.

    Charus on
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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited March 2009
    Aldarez wrote: »
    If you don't know the instance well, sure, play it safe. Calling me a bad tank because I know what's going on and have no need to LoS is just silly though.
    Don't put words in my mouth. The possibility of you being an average tank was also left open.

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  • AldarezAldarez Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Dammit Raz, I can never stay mad at you...

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  • rizriz Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    riz wrote: »
    This is a long post re: Battle.net accounts from a guy in an Alliance guild on my server. He makes a few good points.
    Mick wrote:
    Alright darlings, sit down sit down. Uncle Mick is here to talk to you about something very serious.

    This post is EXTREMELY TL;DR, but it is pretty important. If you don't care, get the fuck out, but ignorance to these subjects can only stand to harm you.

    Today (3/20/09) Blizzard has made a new announcement. It pertains to the new Battle.net system and its merger with World of Warcraft accounts.

    Ok, in a post located here, on the General Discussion Forum, a Blizzard rep explains their new handling of WoW and other game logons, including game forum access. This is quite a big deal of relevant to anyone reading this linked from the ED forums.

    Configuring a Battle.net account goes like such.
    -You create a new (independant from old Starcraft, Diablo et al) Battle.net account.
    -You enter your contact info, including full name, address and phone number.
    -(Optional) You add a credit card number which is associated with the account. I have not tested this feature and can offer no insight.
    -You link your current World of Warcraft account(s) to this Battle.net account.

    From then on your old WoW account is absolutely defunct. You log in to the WoW forums, game client and forums with your new Battle.net account, the name of which mirrors your contact email address for the account. Should you, as I have, associate multiple WoW accounts with the Battle.net account you will be prompted at login to select which account to use.

    Currently you can continue using your regular WoW account to log in to WoW if you do not upgrade, though once you do upgrade you cannot use it. You cannot, however, log into the forum without merging an account.

    To reiterate. YOU CANNOT USE THE WOW FORUMS UNLESS YOU USE THIS FEATURE! Some users are still able to post, but I had this issue, hence me signing up in the first place. I imagine it's being phased in.

    Now for potential problems.

    -Many people playing right now use an account not initially registered under their name. Some buy accounts, some get them from friends, some simply didn't have a credit card when they first opened the account and were unaware of other options available. As creation of a new Battle.net account necessitates entering contact info again the potential exists for Blizzard to check against existing account info and your new info for discrepancies and take action against accounts accordingly, likely with bans. This risk is increased should you maintain multiple accounts under different names.

    -Account sharing. Many of us do it. Sometimes you just want to play another class, or a friend needs to do something but doesn't want to miss a raid you don't give a shit about, or perhaps you're leveling alts together and feel like 2boxing your boy on up. If your accounts are linked under the umbrella of one Blizzard.net account and are logged in at two seperate locations concurrently the risk of detection increases a whole fucking lot.

    How can you possibly explain two accounts registered to the same person, ON THE SAME ACCOUNT, being in two locations at once?

    -Account buying and selling. I don't do it, I wouldn't do it. I only need Mick, he's my pride and joy. Some folks do, though. If you link a WoW account to your Battle.net, it's linked for ever. FOR EVER. You will never get that loose. You have two accounts and want to sell one? No possible way to do it if they're on the same Battle.net account. Same with buying. You can't ever use that unless the seller gives you their whole Battle.net account.

    -The largest issue, in my mind, is the increase risk for identity theft. The old style of contact info storage ran like such:

    First name, First letter of last name, 3 character asterik mask regardless of length of name.
    City, State, Zip code.
    Country.
    Email address, first character visible, 3 character asterik mask regardless of length of name, domain visible.

    The new Battle.net method is like such:

    First name, last name, no masking whatsoever.
    Full street address number, first letter of street name, 1:1 asterik to letter masking.
    City, State, Zip code.
    Country.
    Full email address.

    The street name masking is cute, but just as an example, address selected at random, lets say you live on Avon street in Northfield, Illinois, zip code 60093. Your contact info would show as:

    1234 A***
    Northfield, Illinois, 60093.

    How many 4 letter streets starting with A do you think are in this town? It's a small town. I've been there, its only got one Starbucks.

    One page, thats your full name, address and, in all likelihood, primary email address.

    One stop fucking shop. Again, I haven't used the credit card feature, but they likely also have your credit card type and last 4 digits.

    This is further exacerbated by account sharing. Ok, you lend your account to a 'friend' from your guild. If he jacks it, you lose a character, it sucks, you have to level again.

    With this new system if your 'friend' is unscrupulous enough you lose your fucking credit rating.


    Each of these individual risks are raised as Blizzard implements their stated intent to begin storing user CD-keys for upcoming games and other potential expansions.

    Eventually this service will be mandatory. Until then, I absolutely recommend against using it.

    Thanks, kids.

    -Mick, <Invite Only>, Emerald Dream

    He made a few good points?

    Really, riz.

    Really.

    Really.

    Well I know we're not supposed to talk about "illegal" things here but having a friend log on your account in certain circumstances is not uncommon in this game, and a lot of people DO trade old accounts to friends/younger brother/etc. not just eBay.

    riz on
  • dojangodojango Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    man, i don't like change. For how long can we ignore this battlenet account thing and hope it goes away?

    dojango on
  • Al BaronAl Baron Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    dojango wrote: »
    man, i don't like change. For how long can we ignore this battlenet account thing and hope it goes away?
    Probably until the next expansion or Starcraft II.

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    You can know the instance like the back of your hand and the four other retards can still do something to fuck it up. LoSing pulls limits their opportunities to do that. Nobody said you're a bad tank, but I don't think running headlong into packs and dismissing the idea of LoS entirely makes you some cutting edge supertank.

    I would argue that more shit gets fucked up by trying to LoS with people who don't know how to help it work.
    Casting my mind through most of the heroics I've done, I can't think of a single time where LoS would have made a pull easier.

    You just don't need to do it anymore. These days, if I'm with a tank who pulls slowly and LoSes where I know he doesn't need to, on my DK, I go Frost presence and pull the pack myself. After the first time, I explain why I did it. If he continues to be unnecessarily slow, he keeps getting stuffed pulled off him.

    A tank should be bold. A overly cautious tank wastes everyone's time and patience. And worse, you never learn your own limits. The only way to truly learn and expand your capabilities is to push yourself right to the edge of your abilities. Example: in our 25man Sarth last week I took a healer with me and pulled three packs of trash while the raid was fighting Shadron. I pulled them back to them, the tanks dropped their AOE, and we got it down. Next drake, I pulled four packs, and we wiped. I learned that three is our limit.

    If i'd been cautious and done the instance the same way we always have, we wouldn't have had the fun of doing three packs of trash + miniboss.
    riz wrote: »
    riz wrote: »
    This is a long post re: Battle.net accounts from a guy in an Alliance guild on my server. He makes a few good points.
    Mick wrote:
    Alright darlings, sit down sit down. Uncle Mick is here to talk to you about something very serious.

    This post is EXTREMELY TL;DR, but it is pretty important. If you don't care, get the fuck out, but ignorance to these subjects can only stand to harm you.

    Today (3/20/09) Blizzard has made a new announcement. It pertains to the new Battle.net system and its merger with World of Warcraft accounts.

    Ok, in a post located here, on the General Discussion Forum, a Blizzard rep explains their new handling of WoW and other game logons, including game forum access. This is quite a big deal of relevant to anyone reading this linked from the ED forums.

    Configuring a Battle.net account goes like such.
    -You create a new (independant from old Starcraft, Diablo et al) Battle.net account.
    -You enter your contact info, including full name, address and phone number.
    -(Optional) You add a credit card number which is associated with the account. I have not tested this feature and can offer no insight.
    -You link your current World of Warcraft account(s) to this Battle.net account.

    From then on your old WoW account is absolutely defunct. You log in to the WoW forums, game client and forums with your new Battle.net account, the name of which mirrors your contact email address for the account. Should you, as I have, associate multiple WoW accounts with the Battle.net account you will be prompted at login to select which account to use.

    Currently you can continue using your regular WoW account to log in to WoW if you do not upgrade, though once you do upgrade you cannot use it. You cannot, however, log into the forum without merging an account.

    To reiterate. YOU CANNOT USE THE WOW FORUMS UNLESS YOU USE THIS FEATURE! Some users are still able to post, but I had this issue, hence me signing up in the first place. I imagine it's being phased in.

    Now for potential problems.

    -Many people playing right now use an account not initially registered under their name. Some buy accounts, some get them from friends, some simply didn't have a credit card when they first opened the account and were unaware of other options available. As creation of a new Battle.net account necessitates entering contact info again the potential exists for Blizzard to check against existing account info and your new info for discrepancies and take action against accounts accordingly, likely with bans. This risk is increased should you maintain multiple accounts under different names.

    -Account sharing. Many of us do it. Sometimes you just want to play another class, or a friend needs to do something but doesn't want to miss a raid you don't give a shit about, or perhaps you're leveling alts together and feel like 2boxing your boy on up. If your accounts are linked under the umbrella of one Blizzard.net account and are logged in at two seperate locations concurrently the risk of detection increases a whole fucking lot.

    How can you possibly explain two accounts registered to the same person, ON THE SAME ACCOUNT, being in two locations at once?

    -Account buying and selling. I don't do it, I wouldn't do it. I only need Mick, he's my pride and joy. Some folks do, though. If you link a WoW account to your Battle.net, it's linked for ever. FOR EVER. You will never get that loose. You have two accounts and want to sell one? No possible way to do it if they're on the same Battle.net account. Same with buying. You can't ever use that unless the seller gives you their whole Battle.net account.

    -The largest issue, in my mind, is the increase risk for identity theft. The old style of contact info storage ran like such:

    First name, First letter of last name, 3 character asterik mask regardless of length of name.
    City, State, Zip code.
    Country.
    Email address, first character visible, 3 character asterik mask regardless of length of name, domain visible.

    The new Battle.net method is like such:

    First name, last name, no masking whatsoever.
    Full street address number, first letter of street name, 1:1 asterik to letter masking.
    City, State, Zip code.
    Country.
    Full email address.

    The street name masking is cute, but just as an example, address selected at random, lets say you live on Avon street in Northfield, Illinois, zip code 60093. Your contact info would show as:

    1234 A***
    Northfield, Illinois, 60093.

    How many 4 letter streets starting with A do you think are in this town? It's a small town. I've been there, its only got one Starbucks.

    One page, thats your full name, address and, in all likelihood, primary email address.

    One stop fucking shop. Again, I haven't used the credit card feature, but they likely also have your credit card type and last 4 digits.

    This is further exacerbated by account sharing. Ok, you lend your account to a 'friend' from your guild. If he jacks it, you lose a character, it sucks, you have to level again.

    With this new system if your 'friend' is unscrupulous enough you lose your fucking credit rating.


    Each of these individual risks are raised as Blizzard implements their stated intent to begin storing user CD-keys for upcoming games and other potential expansions.

    Eventually this service will be mandatory. Until then, I absolutely recommend against using it.

    Thanks, kids.

    -Mick, <Invite Only>, Emerald Dream

    He made a few good points?

    Really, riz.

    Really.

    Really.

    Well I know we're not supposed to talk about "illegal" things here but having a friend log on your account in certain circumstances is not uncommon in this game, and a lot of people DO trade old accounts to friends/younger brother/etc. not just eBay.

    example, tonight one of our mages logged onto a different mage's account for 20man naxx, because the other guy couldn't make it, and it was the last achievement he needed for his black drake.
    Dunxco wrote: »
    Utgarde Keep can be a bit unforgiving on a first-time Tanking experience (personally I'd say it was more intensive on the Healer than the Tank), but Violet Hold was a great choice to start out with. There's only two bosses who're remotely challenging in there; the Voidwalker and the Water Elemental. Luckily for caster mobs who like to stand still I've got Death Grip, or at the worst case scenario Strangulate. It's a bit strange that the heroic difficulty curve is completely out of sync with the dungeons that you'd have gone through while levelling. Azjol-Nerub, while fast, gives me all sorts of headaches from trigger-happy DPS on heroic mode. At the other end of the scale, heroic Culling of Stratholme is stupidly easy.

    Edit: While I'm at it - anyone got any good recommendations for epic tanking trinkets? Currently rocking Essence of Gossamer and Valor Medal of the First War, but I can't forsee using the Essence of Gossamer forever (although +1110 HP is damn nice on one trinket, that thing is hax). I'm at 541 Defense currently, I'd link my Armoury but I can't get onto WoW and logged out in my RP gear - but in general, what should I try and get as a Frost DK, do you think? Or is Essence good enough for now and wait until Ulduar to see if something equivalent/better drops?

    Ironically, the two BiS trinkets are both blue. Essence of Gossamer, and Figurine: Monarch Crab from JC. A close third is Defender's Code.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    You can delete posts.

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    thanks :)

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