Personally when I'm comfortable with the instance or run, the only mana pool I care about is my healer's. If the healer can keep going the rest of those bitches had best drink up or haul ass.
Then again, making my dps work is something I enjoy immensely.
Makes me think of this one memorable heroic run I did at 70 where my friend was tanking and I was healing, and this pug shadow priest kept bitching about waiting for mana every other pull... But if the healer has mana, we're going. Especially as the other DPS were like a hunter and rogue or something. Sorry shadow priest, you're going to look a little worse on Recount but we're going to get done faster. After the run he started sending my friend angry tells about how we didn't roll on Sanguine Hibiscus during the run.
And realistically, everyone comes out of farm raiding looking the same anyway.
Hey even some people who didn't raid at all came out looking like me. My hard-won Robes of Rhonin on every useless caster who needed only enough badges from heroics and Kara to get the same thing from the QD badge vendor.
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I do think you're right though, Zero, in the sense that while it might not necessarily be a "new" phenomenon, people are just starting to really take notice because of how few armor set models are in WotLK as a whole. It's an issue that was brought to the forefront because of how "homogenized" (that word is really getting a workout these days) the sets were coming in to this xpac, and between that and the re-use of the T3 models (which, don't get me wrong, everyone knew about long beforehand but it just sort of served to exacerbate an already noticeable issue), it's starting to come to a head.
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Hey guys let's complain about an unfinished PTR where the art's probably not in place yet for a majority of the items!
The art is final, dawg. A blue already confirmed it. Check WoWInsider, there's a story there about it (or there was yesterday, might have to dig a bit).
Personally when I'm comfortable with the instance or run, the only mana pool I care about is my healer's. If the healer can keep going the rest of those bitches had best drink up or haul ass.
Then again, making my dps work is something I enjoy immensely.
These days, I have to wait for the tank's mana more than my own.
Oh, as far as all this CC/LOS crap talk is going on...
I think it was UK when we realized it wasn't all that worth it. We tried having a mage sheep, but with the way AE tanking works and positioning and stuff, it was too much a pain in the ass. I just tell people now that if you can CC outside of my melee zone, go right ahead, otherwise I will break it.
LOS though does have its handful of uses. Like UP, Nexus, Drak. Anywhere with fearing mobs. I've had pugs and guild groups alike get boned because of a bad fear. Sometimes we handle it, and sometimes we wipe. If anybody tells me that taking 5 seconds to avoid a possible 5 minute corpse run is wrong, then they can go fuck yourselves.
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Back when I started heroics I would pull the Alliance Boss in Nexus out of LoS of the rest of the group. Until they had downed the priests, then they'd join me for Whirlwindy death.
Nowadays, I almost always have a shammy healer, Tremor totem and beatdown to follow.
Back when I started heroics I would pull the Alliance Boss in Nexus out of LoS of the rest of the group. Until they had downed the priests, then they'd join me for Whirlwindy death.
Nowadays, I almost always have a shammy healer, Tremor totem and beatdown to follow.
On that fight I usually tell the group I'll burn the healers and they can focus on the boss. As long as the healer keeps an eye on me, I can usually repentance one cleric, burn the other and then finish off the last cleric fairly quickly.
Is WoTLK still $35? I would pay the $15 for the subscription in a heart beat was it not for the extra $35 hurdle for the X-pack.
are you joking????
What? Why? I'd pay $15 just to get the experience of playing the game again, but I'd only sign up for one month anyways. With the expansion pack, I would have to pay $50 to play WoW for 1 month. At that price point I could also buy a whole new game. The X-pack doesn't come with any free time does it? I am really craving to revisit my mage and see some of the new content, but I'm not going to make a commitment to play past 4 weeks.
I'm just not sure what you're trying to say with that... If you really are craving playing your mage, can't you just play them without the xpack. Or do ayou think the xpack should be free because you only want to play for a month and then drop the account again? That way you can pay as little as possible but gain access to all the cool stuff they are spending money developing...
Is WoTLK still $35? I would pay the $15 for the subscription in a heart beat was it not for the extra $35 hurdle for the X-pack.
are you joking????
What? Why? I'd pay $15 just to get the experience of playing the game again, but I'd only sign up for one month anyways. With the expansion pack, I would have to pay $50 to play WoW for 1 month. At that price point I could also buy a whole new game. The X-pack doesn't come with any free time does it? I am really craving to revisit my mage and see some of the new content, but I'm not going to make a commitment to play past 4 weeks.
There is practically zero chance of you completing all the content in Lich King in a month. How many other new games would have that amount of stuff to do?
plus, most of the old mechanics are changed, and you have revamped talent trees with new talents.
it feels pretty different for most classes, at least it does for Shaman/Warlock
Plus, the whole "completely new class" deal
Ack, that news about the account merging makes me sad. I leveled a character to 62 before I knew that I wasnt suppose to use a game that I got from a friend. He bought the game, leveled a toon to 24 and then gave me the account because he didnt want it. That was 3 years ago. I would reroll but I dont have the kind of time that I used to have. Is this something I should be worried about and is there nothing I can do about it?
I'm just not sure what you're trying to say with that... If you really are craving playing your mage, can't you just play them without the xpack. Or do ayou think the xpack should be free because you only want to play for a month and then drop the account again? That way you can pay as little as possible but gain access to all the cool stuff they are spending money developing...
I don't think he is trying to say he should get the x-pack content free, but he doesn't think he will be playing past a month. To him, a $50 investment for 1 month play time isn't too spectacular. I was in this predicament a month or so ago as well. I eventually bit the bullet and bought WotLK, and don't regret it, but i definately understand his point of view.
And yes, he could play his mage without the xpack, but how much fun would he have assuming he is stuck at level 70? Not like people do 70 content anymore.
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To him, a $50 investment for 1 month play time isn't too spectacular.
Which is a bit weird, because with most modern games you get barely 6 hours of playtime for the same price.
To be fair, in those 6 hours you'll probably be able to experience everything the game has to offer. To do that with WoTLK, you gotta grind to 80, grind through heroics to gear up, then suffer through eons of Naxx pug raids to see all the bosses.
I seriously doubt anyone could experience everything WoTLK has to offer within 30 days, unless they played 40+ hours a week.
That allows DK creation, and levelling up to 1 experience less than 71. It's a trial in every sense of the word. If the FAQ wording is right, if you just have a TBC account you can do the wrath trial without paying $15 to resubscribe, though.
That allows DK creation, and levelling up to 1 experience less than 71. It's a trial in every sense of the word. If the FAQ wording is right, if you just have a TBC account you can do the wrath trial without paying $15 to resubscribe, though.
This is correct - it's the route I went coming back to the game.
It's not really a grind the first time over, it's fun new content.
With alts, it's a grind.
Especially if you make the mistake of doing Fjord and Grizzly.
The Borean - Dragonblight - Icecrown progression is a TON of fun because there's actually a story there and they did a good job making you feel like you were part of it.
So what's the best strategy for getting to Exalted with racial factions? Decided I'm getting my 50 mounts.
I did all of the Exodar 1-20 quests and got about 1/3 into Revered, and a good chunk of runecloth put me to about 11218/21000. I also did Hellfire and Zangamarsh (apart from instances) while leveling. I didn't know what else to do then, so I started on Stormwind and did all of Elwynn which put me at 7236/21000.
So, should I bother with runecloth / are there other areas to gain Exodar rep / should I just leave Exodar alone and hope spillover rep will be enough? Any tips / good areas in general?
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So what's the best strategy for getting to Exalted with racial factions? Decided I'm getting my 50 mounts.
I did all of the Exodar 1-20 quests and got about 1/3 into Revered, and a good chunk of runecloth put me to about 11218/21000. I also did Hellfire and Zangamarsh (apart from instances) while leveling. I didn't know what else to do then, so I started on Stormwind and did all of Elwynn which put me at 7236/21000.
So, should I bother with runecloth / are there other areas to gain Exodar rep / should I just leave Exodar alone and hope spillover rep will be enough? Any tips / good areas in general?
Did you do the draenei quests they added in eastern Ashenvale? That's a good chunk of rep too. I think there are a handful in Swamp of Sorrows too.
So what's the best strategy for getting to Exalted with racial factions? Decided I'm getting my 50 mounts.
I did all of the Exodar 1-20 quests and got about 1/3 into Revered, and a good chunk of runecloth put me to about 11218/21000. I also did Hellfire and Zangamarsh (apart from instances) while leveling. I didn't know what else to do then, so I started on Stormwind and did all of Elwynn which put me at 7236/21000.
So, should I bother with runecloth / are there other areas to gain Exodar rep / should I just leave Exodar alone and hope spillover rep will be enough? Any tips / good areas in general?
There are also various quests that will give rep to "Alliance" which feeds rep to all the city factions. Doing the Wool, Silk, Mageweave, Runecloth turn ins are also pretty big chunks, so gathering 60 of each will help some. But spillover rep is a big part of why my wife reached exalted with Stormwind, on her Night Elf, before she hit level 40.
And as SteevL said, there is a fair amount of direct Exodar rep in Eastern Ashenvale.
And if you don't mind looting in AV, the turn ins inside the BG will get you Ironforge rep, which will "spillover" that is how my Gnome has gotten his factions up so far.
I made sure to do all the cloth turn ins, and then just quested in each races starting area. Had to finish out the gnomes with cloth, though. As there's not enough quests to get exalted. I also got a lot of rep during the elder holidays, though. So that padded it a bit for me.
This upcoming Argent Tournament thingy sounds like it's going to be the new way to gain capital city rep. So you might not have to deal with AV or runecloth grinding.
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If you ever intend to go for loremaster that's the best way to get your home reps to exalted. I didn't do any cloth turnins but have full exalted with all of them for alliance, and I'd guess it'd be the same for horde.
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Yeah, I'm holding off on doing anything capital city rep-related until I hear more about the Argent Tournament. Hopefully it won't suck; I've heard surprisingly little about it from the websites I visit, and I haven't had a chance to test it myself yet.
MMOs also really aren't games you do for a month every now and then.
That's how I play CoH/V. I play with the character creator for a month and then unsubscribe.
Yeah, I did the same with CoV... got the free two week trial, ran around watching some robots beat the crap out of thugs while "Doctor Scientist" watched from the background (good clean fun). Did it again the next time the trial came out.
Tried Eve for about 2 days (lol mining) and DaoC for about 10 minutes. If only there was a free trial for warhammer or AoC, might be interesting to check those out...
But yeah, if you're only going to play WoW for one month, the $50 price tag is a little steep, given that you won't really get a chance to experience everything.
If you ever intend to go for loremaster that's the best way to get your home reps to exalted. I didn't do any cloth turnins but have full exalted with all of them for alliance, and I'd guess it'd be the same for horde.
I was almost full exalted just doing eastern kingdoms. Was just missing a tiny bit of rep with TB.
If you ever intend to go for loremaster that's the best way to get your home reps to exalted. I didn't do any cloth turnins but have full exalted with all of them for alliance, and I'd guess it'd be the same for horde.
I was almost full exalted just doing eastern kingdoms. Was just missing a tiny bit of rep with TB.
It depends on which character you wanted to get exalted with. They really upped the rep gains from quest turnins, dunno when, but it was between the time my priest "Loremaster the Seeker" and my mage "the ambassador" were levelled... for the mage, he just did a ton of intro quests in the other zones and was exalted with little to no runecloth turnins, whereas my priest is a loremaster, and is still only low-revered with 3/5 of the factions.
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Is anyone else stuck on 'handshaking' when trying to log into WoW?
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Makes me think of this one memorable heroic run I did at 70 where my friend was tanking and I was healing, and this pug shadow priest kept bitching about waiting for mana every other pull... But if the healer has mana, we're going. Especially as the other DPS were like a hunter and rogue or something. Sorry shadow priest, you're going to look a little worse on Recount but we're going to get done faster. After the run he started sending my friend angry tells about how we didn't roll on Sanguine Hibiscus during the run.
Hey even some people who didn't raid at all came out looking like me. My hard-won Robes of Rhonin on every useless caster who needed only enough badges from heroics and Kara to get the same thing from the QD badge vendor.
These days, I have to wait for the tank's mana more than my own.
I want my Spider-Man armor back.
I think it was UK when we realized it wasn't all that worth it. We tried having a mage sheep, but with the way AE tanking works and positioning and stuff, it was too much a pain in the ass. I just tell people now that if you can CC outside of my melee zone, go right ahead, otherwise I will break it.
LOS though does have its handful of uses. Like UP, Nexus, Drak. Anywhere with fearing mobs. I've had pugs and guild groups alike get boned because of a bad fear. Sometimes we handle it, and sometimes we wipe. If anybody tells me that taking 5 seconds to avoid a possible 5 minute corpse run is wrong, then they can go fuck yourselves.
Nowadays, I almost always have a shammy healer, Tremor totem and beatdown to follow.
On that fight I usually tell the group I'll burn the healers and they can focus on the boss. As long as the healer keeps an eye on me, I can usually repentance one cleric, burn the other and then finish off the last cleric fairly quickly.
are you joking????
What? Why? I'd pay $15 just to get the experience of playing the game again, but I'd only sign up for one month anyways. With the expansion pack, I would have to pay $50 to play WoW for 1 month. At that price point I could also buy a whole new game. The X-pack doesn't come with any free time does it? I am really craving to revisit my mage and see some of the new content, but I'm not going to make a commitment to play past 4 weeks.
There is practically zero chance of you completing all the content in Lich King in a month. How many other new games would have that amount of stuff to do?
it feels pretty different for most classes, at least it does for Shaman/Warlock
Plus, the whole "completely new class" deal
I don't think he is trying to say he should get the x-pack content free, but he doesn't think he will be playing past a month. To him, a $50 investment for 1 month play time isn't too spectacular. I was in this predicament a month or so ago as well. I eventually bit the bullet and bought WotLK, and don't regret it, but i definately understand his point of view.
And yes, he could play his mage without the xpack, but how much fun would he have assuming he is stuck at level 70? Not like people do 70 content anymore.
Which is a bit weird, because with most modern games you get barely 6 hours of playtime for the same price.
To be fair, in those 6 hours you'll probably be able to experience everything the game has to offer. To do that with WoTLK, you gotta grind to 80, grind through heroics to gear up, then suffer through eons of Naxx pug raids to see all the bosses.
I seriously doubt anyone could experience everything WoTLK has to offer within 30 days, unless they played 40+ hours a week.
Maybe I won't for my next characters, but I quite enjoyed 70-80 on my DK.
With alts, it's a grind.
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/trial/
That allows DK creation, and levelling up to 1 experience less than 71. It's a trial in every sense of the word. If the FAQ wording is right, if you just have a TBC account you can do the wrath trial without paying $15 to resubscribe, though.
This is correct - it's the route I went coming back to the game.
Especially if you make the mistake of doing Fjord and Grizzly.
The Borean - Dragonblight - Icecrown progression is a TON of fun because there's actually a story there and they did a good job making you feel like you were part of it.
I did all of the Exodar 1-20 quests and got about 1/3 into Revered, and a good chunk of runecloth put me to about 11218/21000. I also did Hellfire and Zangamarsh (apart from instances) while leveling. I didn't know what else to do then, so I started on Stormwind and did all of Elwynn which put me at 7236/21000.
So, should I bother with runecloth / are there other areas to gain Exodar rep / should I just leave Exodar alone and hope spillover rep will be enough? Any tips / good areas in general?
Did you do the draenei quests they added in eastern Ashenvale? That's a good chunk of rep too. I think there are a handful in Swamp of Sorrows too.
That's how I play CoH/V. I play with the character creator for a month and then unsubscribe.
There are also various quests that will give rep to "Alliance" which feeds rep to all the city factions. Doing the Wool, Silk, Mageweave, Runecloth turn ins are also pretty big chunks, so gathering 60 of each will help some. But spillover rep is a big part of why my wife reached exalted with Stormwind, on her Night Elf, before she hit level 40.
And as SteevL said, there is a fair amount of direct Exodar rep in Eastern Ashenvale.
And if you don't mind looting in AV, the turn ins inside the BG will get you Ironforge rep, which will "spillover" that is how my Gnome has gotten his factions up so far.
Yeah, I did the same with CoV... got the free two week trial, ran around watching some robots beat the crap out of thugs while "Doctor Scientist" watched from the background (good clean fun). Did it again the next time the trial came out.
Tried Eve for about 2 days (lol mining) and DaoC for about 10 minutes. If only there was a free trial for warhammer or AoC, might be interesting to check those out...
But yeah, if you're only going to play WoW for one month, the $50 price tag is a little steep, given that you won't really get a chance to experience everything.
I was almost full exalted just doing eastern kingdoms. Was just missing a tiny bit of rep with TB.
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It depends on which character you wanted to get exalted with. They really upped the rep gains from quest turnins, dunno when, but it was between the time my priest "Loremaster the Seeker" and my mage "the ambassador" were levelled... for the mage, he just did a ton of intro quests in the other zones and was exalted with little to no runecloth turnins, whereas my priest is a loremaster, and is still only low-revered with 3/5 of the factions.
Figures it'd happen when I take a day off...
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