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MK vs DC or SF4? [SOLVED]
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Pretty simple really. I need your help. Since I'm usually (there are exceptions) totally useless at deciding anything and I've been trying to decide between getting Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe or Street Fighter 4. I only get totally mentally gridlocked on minor, stupid decisions, and since this is just trivial I'm hoping to get some advice on which is better from people that own or have played the games
P.S: For the record I have a preference for the Mortal Kombat games, but even I can't deny the awesomeness of Street Fighter 4, as well as the nostalgia of kicking ass as Vega on Street Fighter 2.
P.S: For the record I have a preference for the Mortal Kombat games, but even I can't deny the awesomeness of Street Fighter 4, as well as the nostalgia of kicking ass as Vega on Street Fighter 2.
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MK vs DC was pretty unimpressive to me. The animations are pretty bad, and I don't care too much for the fighting system itself.
If you have a play n trade near you, you could try them both out and see what you like better.
I'd go with SF4 though.
Although, if you are a Vega player, most people seem to think he is relatively underpowered in this game, and from most of the Vegas I have fought, I would have to agree. If you are good, obviously you can hold your own, but a good Vega vs a good nearly anybody else will have a hard time.
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In conclusion SF4.
All the boss characters were. Sagat is a top-tier character in SF4, with Balrog and Bison in the tier just below that. Vega is down there, but if you are good with him I'm sure you can do better.
Yeah. Originally Vega, Balrog, Sagat and Bison were the four un-selectable characters you fought at the end.
In later iterations of SF2, they were available to play from the start. They were almost all better than the rest of the characters.
There are 4 kinds of players from what I've seen:
Hopeless noobs
Informed noobs
Veterans
Pros
Hopeless noobs just want to play 'for fun'. There's nothing wrong with that - they'll have fun mashing buttons, complaining that dragon punch motions are impossible and saying everything they can't beat is cheap. These players can pick up either SF4 or MKvDCU and probably have a good time regardless. the TC claims to be undefeated in SF2 with Vega, so we go ahead and make the assumption.
Informed noobs are essentially vets who just started a game with no prior knowledge of it. All they need to succeed is information. They're horrible because they're clueless, just like the hopeless - but every loss teaches them something new, to ultimately become a good player... and learning to dominate an opponent is FUN. An informed player should have no problem beating a hopeless player, be it through simple tactics to being able to execute special/super/ultra moves. From my time with MKvDCU, you'll hit a plateau real quick. The game is practically designed for noobs - I'm an advanced player myself, and the system they had in place for this game is a goddamn shitpile. There was nothing to learn, it was simply a matter of implementing the (shitty) basics. The AI either read your mind or was as dumb as a sack of hammers. The online made me want to punch a small baby, with tactics like "crouch the entire match" being viable. (High moves whiff, low moves are blocked, as well as specials - and there's only like one overhead/mid move per character, forcing you to spam it and being called cheap while they uppercut you out of it half the time because they've got the range advantage. That was NOT fun.)
Veterans are the ones with all the information, but maybe lack the dexterity to implement it effectively and consistently. This tier to me is where the most fun is to be had - competitive matches with advanced tactics (ei: crossups. This very basic mechanic adds alot of depth to fighting games (SF4), and MKvDCU had very little of it.) It's like playing 3 games of rock/paper/scissors at the same time and is alot of fun.
Pros are self explanatory - they've got all the knowledge and are not afraid to use it. They'll pummel you to the ground as you jump because they knew you were going to jump even before you did. As you progress in skill in a fighting game, it becomes more and more of a mind game - it's what high level matches amongst pro's are all about.
You can be a noob and still have amazing fun against other noobs, you can be an informed noob and have fun again better players (while learning something and improving your own game). It all depends.
What troubles me are these quotes:
This directly depends on the player's skill level - the tier lists are based on Pro level play. All you need to beat the average scrub is a good trick or two (Walljump -> overhead crossover will just destroy most online players - it can and will even work on alot of the better players too). The problem with Vega is that his tricks are weak and predictable in high level play. Don't let that discourage you from playing him though - He's still very capable of holding his own, as I've experienced first hand (hur hur hur).
Again this is entirely dependent on skill - His super/ultra is no harder then any of the other charge characters, it's simply displayed in his command list in a wonky way. Just like Guile for example, it's simply DB, df, db, uf+p.
If you've gone undefeated you're either actually good, or simply play against terrible players. It's likely a combination of both, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're a half decent player. Given my unnecessarily lengthy explanation above, you really don't need to worry about Vega being underpowered. You'll be playing against people to who tier lists don't matter at all. You'll have fun remembering all the good times with SF2, and will have a great time bringing all your old tricks back to SF4, having a leg up over all the players who're clueless.
MKvDCU would throw you into the clueless bin along with everyone else who picked up the game, and will potentially have you screaming at your TV because of how stupidly infuriating the game is as a whole. It's a shitpile designed to cash in on a license, and plays like one too. Stay the fuck away.
You've forcibly got some idea of how to play SF, so why buy a game practically designed for button mashing stupidity?
Pick up SF4.
TLDR: MKvDCU was made for noobs and is an engineering shitpile. SF4 has alot more depth to it and guarantees fun, no matter your skill level.
That's true, if using something other than a standard XBox controller. I should have specified. I, and most of my friends, have a lot of trouble hitting individual diagonals on that POS with any regularity. Once my arcade stick was assembled, it was much easier. I just don't think that is too likely to help the OP.
You're quite right in saying the 360 dpad is a failure (imo) for fighting games, and the analog isn't accurate enough to play a fighting game on, (again, imo) which makes me glad I've got a PS3. But let's not bring that discussion into this thread - executing the move itself is still mostly 90% player input, and 10% dpad response.
Street Fighter 4. I mean really.
Yeah of course.
There's even a trial mode for every char, going from basic "Do your ultra" to crazy shit like this to teach you the ins and outs of your character. These unlock icons and titles, and are generally a fun way to pick up someone you have no idea how to play with.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_WcA56Ksic
The first match is a good example of the flying overhead crossup I was talking about earlier working well.
The second shows Dhalsim basically shutting it down unfortunately.
Some of you might recognize Combofiend from the MvC2 days =P