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[WoW] Death Knights: In our defense, Arthas was being kind of a dick.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Then aggro wouldn't be an issue, in which case DnD is awesome for multiple targets, at least as unholy
    And DnD isn't awkward to use at all for non-frost specs. The rune usage fits perfectly with IT->PS->Pestilence.

    forty on
  • ArkanArkan Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    For awkward use I meant the fact it's a template AoE that you have to click seperately from pressing the spell button to use.

    I always found it easier to just mash the mob into the floor as non-frost unless it was a huge group, like 5+ mobs.

    Arkan on
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  • Banzai5150Banzai5150 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Yeah originally I was asking as a lowbie (lvl 60 now) Unholy Spec, for Levelling/Questing Purposes.. btw, what's DnD?

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  • ArkanArkan Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    One of the spells you got when you hit 60.

    Figure it out.

    Arkan on
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  • Banzai5150Banzai5150 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Blah - I'm not in game... you're so mean, and I like abusing asking my newbie questions... but yeah I'll go figure it out.


    edit: Death and Decay - ok, I figured it out, though not sure where to put it in my limited rotation or how many mobs would make it worthwhile to even do so.

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  • HalfmexHalfmex I mock your value system You also appear foolish in the eyes of othersRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I went with the "four or more" rule. Any less than that and the mobs typically died faster than it was worth going through all the trouble to get that AoE and diseases up for all of them.

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  • Banzai5150Banzai5150 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Ok thanks - I'm going to stop asking questions and just see how everything plays out. Ok I lied, one last question, no where in the rotations people suggested was Death Strike. Since I'm Unholy is that not a good thing to use?

    And here is what I plan on using:

    Plague Strike -> Icy Touch -> Pestilence -> Blood Strike -> Death Coil -> Scourge Strike

    if 4 or more:

    not sure the order but use Death and Decay and Blood Boil in there somewhere.

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  • HalfmexHalfmex I mock your value system You also appear foolish in the eyes of othersRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Death Strike is not only good to use, it is absolutely vital to your being an unstoppable killing machine. Basically, make sure your target has a full compliment of diseases up, then hit Death Strike if you're low on HP. You get healed and your killing continues unabated.

    for the 'if four or more' bit, I always lead off with Death and Decay. Blood Boil is fine if you've a rune to spare, but frankly its damage (at least pre 3.1) is fairly trivial, so I don't usually bother with it.

    Halfmex on
  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Hitting a hotkey and then clicking the ground is awkward? Wow. 3+ is a good number for DnD, especially as unholy.

    forty on
  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited April 2009
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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    edited April 2009

    Personally, I would drop Hungering Cold and that 1 point in Merciless Combat to get Chill of the Grave, and I would seriously consider trying to find some way to get Morbidity for the reduced cooldown on DnD. I'd probably drop Acclimation for those three points.
    Otherwise it's pretty similar to what I plan to use for a tank dual spec once 3.1 hits.

    Maddoc on
  • FrdztecFrdztec Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    So I need an opinion, this is a new DPS spec that I swapped into. Does it look to be an effective build?

    http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jfVMZZfMhIxfkgcs0csut

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  • AngryAngry The glory I had witnessed was just a sleight of handRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    not really.

    on a pale horse is a leveling talent, or a filler for unholy tank. 3 points in desecration is a waste; if you want desecration, put 5 points or none at all. master of ghouls and night of the dead are talents that need to be taken together. unless you're grouping with another dk with unholy aura, you should always find points for it.


    i've decided on my 12/0/59 build for 3.1 and i'm really liking the look of it.

    Angry on
  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Virulence is commonly a waste of talent points as well considering how easy it is to get Hit-capped these days, here's the build I'm running for reference...

    http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jfVMVZZfM0GxckgcoMfsut

    And, my impending 3.1 build...

    http://ptr.wowhead.com/?talent=jfVMZZfM0IxcdgcqMcsut

    Maddoc on
  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Maddoc wrote: »
    Virulence is commonly a waste of talent points as well considering how easy it is to get Hit-capped these days, here's the build I'm running for reference...

    http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jfVMVZZfM0GxckgcoMfsut

    And, my impending 3.1 build...

    http://ptr.wowhead.com/?talent=jfVMZZfM0IxcdgcqMcsut

    Virulence is hit for SPELLS.

    You know, the things who's hit cap is a big chunk higher then Melee, who gear for the melee hit cap?

    shryke on
  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    shryke wrote: »
    Maddoc wrote: »
    Virulence is commonly a waste of talent points as well considering how easy it is to get Hit-capped these days, here's the build I'm running for reference...

    http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jfVMVZZfM0GxckgcoMfsut

    And, my impending 3.1 build...

    http://ptr.wowhead.com/?talent=jfVMZZfM0IxcdgcqMcsut

    Virulence is hit for SPELLS.

    You know, the things who's hit cap is a big chunk higher then Melee, who gear for the melee hit cap?

    Ah! That didn't even occur to me, alright, it feels like much less of a waste now that Virulence is required in 3.1 for Unholy DPS.

    Maddoc on
  • AngryAngry The glory I had witnessed was just a sleight of handRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    shryke wrote: »
    Maddoc wrote: »
    Virulence is commonly a waste of talent points as well considering how easy it is to get Hit-capped these days, here's the build I'm running for reference...

    http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jfVMVZZfM0GxckgcoMfsut

    And, my impending 3.1 build...

    http://ptr.wowhead.com/?talent=jfVMZZfM0IxcdgcqMcsut

    Virulence is hit for SPELLS.

    You know, the things who's hit cap is a big chunk higher then Melee, who gear for the melee hit cap?

    being melee hit capped puts you like 20 hit rating away from being spell hit capped with a shadowpriest or boomkin in the raid. virulence isn't that great.

    Angry on
  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Angry wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Maddoc wrote: »
    Virulence is commonly a waste of talent points as well considering how easy it is to get Hit-capped these days, here's the build I'm running for reference...

    http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jfVMVZZfM0GxckgcoMfsut

    And, my impending 3.1 build...

    http://ptr.wowhead.com/?talent=jfVMZZfM0IxcdgcqMcsut

    Virulence is hit for SPELLS.

    You know, the things who's hit cap is a big chunk higher then Melee, who gear for the melee hit cap?

    being melee hit capped puts you like 20 hit rating away from being spell hit capped with a shadowpriest or boomkin in the raid. virulence isn't that great.

    Spell Hit cap is 17% yes?

    8% through being melee hit capped.
    +3% for the Spell Hit buff (Oomkin or Shadow Priest).

    So your still 6% away. That's like 100 Hit Rating WITH Virulence.

    shryke on
  • AngryAngry The glory I had witnessed was just a sleight of handRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    that's not how hit rating works.

    Angry on
  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Angry wrote: »
    that's not how hit rating works.

    Really now? Your gonna have to actually use more then 1 sentence to explain why.

    shryke on
  • AngryAngry The glory I had witnessed was just a sleight of handRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    open up your character tab and mouse over hit rating in spell and melee.

    Angry on
  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited April 2009
    277 hit rating gives you 8.45% melee hit and 10.56 spell hit. Virulence will put you roughly at the spell hit cap after a druid/shadowpriest is in the raid.

    So you're both wrong, stop being dicks.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Angry wrote: »
    open up your character tab and mouse over hit rating in spell and melee.

    If I were to do that, I'd see that I'd still need an extra few percent of hit to be spell hit capped.

    But I wouldn't expect someone who can't string an actual paragraph together to be able to do math.

    shryke on
  • AngryAngry The glory I had witnessed was just a sleight of handRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    277 hit rating gives you 8.45% melee hit and 10.56 spell hit. Virulence will put you roughly at the spell hit cap after a druid/shadowpriest is in the raid.

    So you're both wrong, stop being dicks.

    yeah i've been playing my shaman so much lately i was thinking of his spell hit target.

    shryke, you go girl.

    Angry on
  • UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    it's nice that you two aren't being dicks anymore.

    UnbrokenEva on
  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Fearghaill wrote: »
    it's nice that you two aren't being dicks anymore.

    Vague, bullshit "I know the answer but I'm not going to actually say it cause that might involve typing like 5 more fucking words" responses are stupid and those that make them deserve to be called out for it.

    shryke on
  • GrathGrath I'm a much happier person these days Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited April 2009
    so I'm going to go raid with my DW-Scourge strike build tonight and see how well it works.

    I expect utter failure, but I'll be damned if its not way more fun.
    The main source of my failure will probably stem from not having a slow mainhand. I've got a split greathammer and hailstorm. Which was awesome for HB builds before this last patch.

    Grath on
  • TheGerbilTheGerbil Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    This is what I'm going to use as a frost tank build.

    Currently frost tank right now. Will be interesting to see how it all pans out.

    TheGerbil on
  • Banzai5150Banzai5150 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Just a thanks to everyone that answered my questions recently. I spent a big chunk last night trying to grab 5+ mobs on top of me, to get this AOE thing down. I'm still a bit shaky and seem to drop really low in HP or die, but that's mostly cuz A) I forget about Rune Power B) I forget to use Death Strike instead of Scourge Strike when I'm being beat down.

    Here's my new improved chain:

    Plague Strike -> Icy Touch -> Pestilence -> Blood Boil -> Death Strike/Scourge Strike -> Unholy Blight -> Blood Boil -> Blood Boil -> repeat

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Don't be afraid to use Icebound Fortitude whenever it's up too.

    shryke on
  • bejeavisbejeavis Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    TheGerbil wrote: »
    This is what I'm going to use as a frost tank build.

    Currently frost tank right now. Will be interesting to see how it all pans out.

    I opened up the 3.1 calc this morning to put together a new build. Came up with the same exact thing point for point. Can't wait to try it.

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  • TheGerbilTheGerbil Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    bejeavis wrote: »
    TheGerbil wrote: »
    This is what I'm going to use as a frost tank build.

    Currently frost tank right now. Will be interesting to see how it all pans out.

    I opened up the 3.1 calc this morning to put together a new build. Came up with the same exact thing point for point. Can't wait to try it.

    It is about the only thing that makes sense, based on my old build at least.

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  • JamesJames Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    bejeavis wrote: »
    TheGerbil wrote: »
    This is what I'm going to use as a frost tank build.

    Currently frost tank right now. Will be interesting to see how it all pans out.

    I opened up the 3.1 calc this morning to put together a new build. Came up with the same exact thing point for point. Can't wait to try it.

    I've put together the same thing too, but put two points in Icy Reach instead of Chill of the Grave. The extra range is nice, and I've never had a problem with runic power.

    Looks to be the standard frost tank build this patch, I guess.

    James on
  • Banzai5150Banzai5150 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    shryke wrote: »
    Don't be afraid to use Icebound Fortitude whenever it's up too.


    Only lvl 61 right now. But I'll keep that in mind.

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  • ZerokkuZerokku Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I've taken a much needed break from wow, but if you see any information that needs to be added to the OP or second post, just shoot me a PM with the information and I'll get right on that.

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  • DroolDrool Science! AustinRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    So it looks like leveling a DK you pretty much have to go Unholy? On a Pale Horse seems pretty impossible to pass up since it will save so much time, and you probably don't want to split your points up.

    Drool on
  • HalfmexHalfmex I mock your value system You also appear foolish in the eyes of othersRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Eh, it's not really mandatory. Lots of people go Unholy for the great AoE ability it brings which makes those "kill x hundred mobs" quests a bit more bearable, but it's by no means necessary. I know plenty of people who went with Blood because they enjoyed the better health regen capabilities (not that Unholy's bad in that area, just that Blood's a bit better).

    Just be careful; once you take On A Pale Horse 2/2, going back to other characters will be hard as hell, especially once you've got your epic bone chicken on the DK. Zoom zoom.

    Halfmex on
  • DroolDrool Science! AustinRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Yeah my highest character is a mage, and I've also played a lot of druids so I can't really handle slow dudes, but having an epic mount right away helps. Nobody ever levels with frost I take it?

    Drool on
  • JamesJames Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Drool wrote: »
    Yeah my highest character is a mage, and I've also played a lot of druids so I can't really handle slow dudes, but having an epic mount right away helps. Nobody ever levels with frost I take it?

    I leveled with frost >.>

    But I had the more dps talents and respec'd at 80 so it wasn't horrible.

    James on
  • HalfmexHalfmex I mock your value system You also appear foolish in the eyes of othersRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I know a couple people who leveled with frost, though to be fair that was when dual-wield was still not just viable but was crazy powerful to boot, so I don't know if or how much that helped. I do know that I tried a frost DPS build the other day on the PTR and it was a lot of fun, so I think you're pretty well covered no matter which tree you choose.

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