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In the mood for a classic JRPG? (BACK OFF WRPG ZEALOTS)

LunkerLunker Registered User regular
edited March 2009 in Games and Technology
The Linear RPG

It's not as fleshed out as Progress Quest IV (IMO the best before PQ changed to the new console and wasted money on all those CGI cutscenes instead of GOOD OLD-FASHIONED GAMEPLAY) but it's got all the things that made the PQ series great: detailed, unique characters, a deep, thought-provoking plot with plenty of twists, amazing battle engine, a forgiving save system and more—much, much more.

Square Enix, you guys could learn a few things!

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  • DeswaDeswa Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Interesting and kinda fun.

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  • AiranAiran Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Well uh, so far I'm running along the path and I die constantly. I'm on the checkpoint where it ~Act 1~ is near the top and not matter what level I am (12 at the moment!) fall down just before the next checkpoint. Am I doing something wrong?

    [edit]Ok, got past it now, this is Korean MMO level grinding! :lol:

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  • CherrnCherrn Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    You need to "grind". The whole thing is a hamfisted criticism/parody of JRPGs.

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  • MumblyfishMumblyfish Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Heh. Look at this scrub. Guess this dude doesn't have my mad JRPG skillz.
    What do you do in a JRPG when the numbers assigned to your characters aren't big enough to progress?
    You grind.
    You can move backwards.

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  • AiranAiran Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Yeah yeah, I was just caught off guard at my HP number decreasing everytime I took a step. I thought it would transfer to a battle screen or something. I got that it was plain sailing.

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  • MblackwellMblackwell Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I found a way to cheat, actually. Go to a dot and then press right and also hold left. You'll run in place. Do that until your health drains nearly all the way and touch the dot. Repeat.

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  • korodullinkorodullin What. SCRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Or you could just
    hold Left when you first start the game, running in place on the starter dot, getting infinite xp but never losing health.

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  • RenegenRenegen Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Why make fun of jRPGs like that? The DS released this month 4 incredible jRPGs, Valkyrie Profile : Covenant of the Plume, Suikoden Teikeris, Avalon Code & Pokemon Platinum.
    Anyone who has played Persona 3 or 4 knows how incredible that series has been at reviving jRPGs. Everyone has their own favourites, like Shadow Hearts, Xenogears, Star Ocean, Valkyrie Profile, Parasite Eve and other great innovative jRPGs.

    Only haters still believe the things for years without ever actually checking the fact, jRPGs have produced some great games that measure up to any other genre or place of development.


    This is seriously insulting, jRPG haters sound like 5 year olds playing a broken record, no one thinks you're funny and you're completely offbase.

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  • MumblyfishMumblyfish Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I have played every game that has ever come out of Japan and I can tell you that this is a perfectly accurate representation of the genre.

    Come back when you have played as many games as me, then we'll talk.

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  • korodullinkorodullin What. SCRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Methinks thou doth protest too much.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    That game where you play as a character with a sword that gradually got bigger was much better. What was its name?

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  • MumblyfishMumblyfish Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Final Fantasy VII.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Why make fun of jRPGs like that? The DS released this month 4 incredible jRPGs, Valkyrie Profile : Covenant of the Plume, Suikoden Teikeris, Avalon Code & Pokemon Platinum.
    Anyone who has played Persona 3 or 4 knows how incredible that series has been at reviving jRPGs. Everyone has their own favourites, like Shadow Hearts, Xenogears, Star Ocean, Valkyrie Profile, Parasite Eve and other great innovative jRPGs.
    XENOGEARS? STAR OCEAN? Pokemon is almost a textbook case of grinding for the hardcore fanatics.

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  • NailbunnyPDNailbunnyPD Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Renegen wrote: »
    This is seriously insulting, jRPG haters sound like 5 year olds playing a broken record, no one thinks you're funny and you're completely offbase.

    If you are genuinely insulted, you take your JRPGs way too seriously, in which case you probably deserve to be insulted by the parody.

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  • RenzoRenzo Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Renegen wrote: »
    Why make fun of jRPGs like that? The DS released this month 4 incredible jRPGs, Valkyrie Profile : Covenant of the Plume, Suikoden Teikeris, Avalon Code & Pokemon Platinum.
    Anyone who has played Persona 3 or 4 knows how incredible that series has been at reviving jRPGs. Everyone has their own favourites, like Shadow Hearts, Xenogears, Star Ocean, Valkyrie Profile, Parasite Eve and other great innovative jRPGs.

    Only haters still believe the things for years without ever actually checking the fact, jRPGs have produced some great games that measure up to any other genre or place of development.


    This is seriously insulting, jRPG haters sound like 5 year olds playing a broken record, no one thinks you're funny and you're completely offbase.

    It's a joke, bro.

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  • LunkerLunker Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Renegen wrote: »
    This is seriously insulting, jRPG haters sound like 5 year olds playing a broken record, no one thinks you're funny and you're completely offbase.

    I was probably more abrasive in the OP than I meant to be. I'm actually a fan of traditional old-school JRPGs, and I just thought it was a funny wink-and-nod satire. Like Progress Quest.

    Although the irony of a poster with a Star Ocean avatar complaining about this Flash game is just searing.

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  • Monolithic_DomeMonolithic_Dome Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Needs more burning the rope

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
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  • DeaconKnowledgeDeaconKnowledge Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    So when did we start calling Action RPG games JRPGs? I've heard that a lot recently, what with Rune Factory Frontier and Avalon Code. Time was people hated the two styles being associated with each other. What happened?

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  • RenegenRenegen Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Mumblyfish wrote: »
    I have played every game that has ever come out of Japan and I can tell you that this is a perfectly accurate representation of the genre.

    Come back when you have played as many games as me, then we'll talk.

    Are you talking to me? Because I can certainly strech my own epeen and have played hundreds of games.

    Here's an easy challenge for me:

    Tell me the stories of Xenogears, Parasite Eve, Shadow Hears, Persona 3 or 4, Valkyrie Profile, Final Fantasy 6, Suikoden 2. You can only leave one 1 game out of these 7 games and you have a max of 15 mins for a quick recap.
    I'm doing this because you probably didn't play them, they're some of the best of the genre. if you are going to criticize the genre, play their games first. The time limit is small enough you don't have time to use Wikipedia.

    Renegen wrote: »
    This is seriously insulting, jRPG haters sound like 5 year olds playing a broken record, no one thinks you're funny and you're completely offbase.

    If you are genuinely insulted, you take your JRPGs way too seriously, in which case you probably deserve to be insulted by the parody.

    It's insulting because when talking of jRPGs, haters categorically refuse to let reality in the way. Do you want to talk to someone who believes the world is flat, or how about who don't believe in evolution? It's the same thing, it's tiring and insulting to everything you know.
    I've played them all, I played Planescape :Torment, I played Persona 4. Anachronox. Beyond Good & Evil. Have you? I have an open mind, don't take things "too seriously". Really it comes down to this, the more genres you like, the more fun gaming will be for you. You're really denying yourself a lot of great games.

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  • NailbunnyPDNailbunnyPD Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Renegen wrote: »
    Mumblyfish wrote: »
    I have played every game that has ever come out of Japan and I can tell you that this is a perfectly accurate representation of the genre.

    Come back when you have played as many games as me, then we'll talk.

    Are you talking to me? Because I can certainly strech my own epeen and have played hundreds of games.

    Here's an easy challenge for me:

    Tell me the stories of Xenogears, Parasite Eve, Shadow Hears, Persona 3 or 4, Valkyrie Profile, Final Fantasy 6, Suikoden 2. You can only leave one 1 game out of these 7 games and you have a max of 15 mins for a quick recap.
    I'm doing this because you probably didn't play them, they're some of the best of the genre. if you are going to criticize the genre, play their games first. The time limit is small enough you don't have time to use Wikipedia.

    Your sarcasm detector, it does nothing!

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Tell me the stories of Xenogears
    Game that is so full of itself that it enjoys the smell of its own farts.

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  • darkmayodarkmayo Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Couscous wrote: »

    man what the fuck is wrong with Star Ocean....

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  • darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I take amusement from looking at the avatars of those who complain.

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  • BrianBrian Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    The gauntlet has been thrown down!

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  • RenegenRenegen Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Couscous wrote: »
    Tell me the stories of Xenogears
    Game that is so full of itself that it enjoys the smell of its own farts.

    Why? It's great, there are so many twists and turns, the world is believable, the story is epic, the love story is powerful. I'd call the game a drudge at times and a bad 2nd CD, but not full of itself.

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  • Fig-DFig-D Tustin, CA, USRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Couscous wrote: »
    That game where you play as a character with a sword that gradually got bigger was much better. What was its name?

    Ginormo Sword. I think I'll go play that right now.

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  • CherrnCherrn Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Fig-D wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    That game where you play as a character with a sword that gradually got bigger was much better. What was its name?

    Ginormo Sword. I think I'll go play that right now.

    http://babarageo.com/flash/ginormo/
    Play it, mother fucker.

    Xenogears feels like a game in which the developers decided to put as many idiotic religious and philosophical references while still having cliches like a amnesiac main character with a secret past.
    This is the worst

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  • DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Couscous wrote: »
    Tell me the stories of Xenogears
    Game that is so full of itself that it enjoys the smell of its own farts.

    That may be true...but it had giant robots in it(and a love story that was actually kind of nice) so it is still one of my most favorite games ever.

    As for all the religious references, I think that goes back to when Japan was still on its Christianity kick and the whole "WAT IF G0D WAS EBILZ!!!???" phase. I'm glad...for the most part...they've gotten over that.

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  • ArchonexArchonex No hard feelings, right? Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    darkmayo wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »

    man what the fuck is wrong with Star Ocean....

    Setting aside the creepy as shit doll-faces, and her screechy voice, that was actually pretty funny. I laughed at the "give me the human meat!" line, and her lines at the end in regards to the blonde-haired uncanny valley knockoff. If that sort of dickery goes on in the newest SO regularly then I might have to pick it up.


    That being said, all JRPG's are are basically advanced number games with a pretty GUI. You could make the case for quite a few games being that, but nowhere is it more prominent then in JRPG's, which typically outright give you the numbers up front to crunch and haven't really progressed technically (Aside from graphics.) since the SNES era. Don't see why people are getting so upset about it.

    Edit: Ironically, the exception to that would be games like Star Ocean and the Tales series, which ignore the oldschool ATB/turn based battle systems in favor of putting your characters on an interactable field. But then, I think that the Tales series has been around since the SNES days, or, at least, early PS1. Either way, mainstream JRPG's are just starting to catch up to them (FF12 and Last Remnant come to mind.).

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  • DjiemDjiem Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Couscous wrote: »
    That game where you play as a character with a sword that gradually got bigger was much better. What was its name?

    Ginormo Sword.
    EDIT: Beaten, badly too.

    Renegen wrote: »
    I'm doing this because you probably didn't play them, they're some of the best of the genre.

    Sumimasen, for I am a gaijin baka, but I really didn't like Final Fantasy 6.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    They have been on an action RPG kick for a while. The stories still mostly suck or are dragged down by horrible writing. They haven't started going on an idiotic morality binge yet, have they? I hate most of those.
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  • DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Couscous wrote: »
    They have been on an action RPG kick for a while. The stories still mostly suck or are dragged down by horrible writing. They haven't started going on an idiotic morality binge yet, have they? I hate most of those.

    Naw, but they make of for the lack of morality choices with the hero's constantly giving "Evil is bad!" speeches.

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  • Fig-DFig-D Tustin, CA, USRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I actually like the morality thing because normally I would be the guy to send kittens off the college with a full scholarship and I play the game like that. In my mind that's what the game's story is, I'm a super nice guy. But when there's that one punk that just gets on my nerves I have the option to go all Jack Bauer and start poppin' knee caps. I was like 90% Paragon and 10% Renegade in Mass Effect.

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  • DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    As for the guy who said something about RPG system haven't really changed since the SNES that isn't really true. I mean there are plenty of games in the last years that have had pretty good systems. Rogue Galaxy, Valkyria Chronicles, Last Remnant like you mentioned and some I haven't even thought of.

    And then even though some games still use the ATB system, there have been enough tweaks to them to make them work in pretty different ways. They also provide different feels to begin with. Games like FFX, Shadow Hearts(2 at least), and quite a few other still use a turn-based system but manage to do so in pretty unique ways by adding stuff to how you interact with them I will agree that the gult of them are pretty cookie-cutter, but that is any genre).

    And really as far as games go in general, when you use such a barebones generalization that could account to a lot of games. And even still, while most games do have a lot of bells and whistles attached, basic functionally is still based off their predecessors. In a FPS you still point and shoot, in a puzzle you're still puzzle solving, in a racer you're still trying to get to the end of the race, in a platformer you're probably going to be jumping and running a lot. How you achieve that goal is important, however.

    But even in that sense people forget that innovation tends to be the exception, not the rule. And even when innovation happens, it happens to bits and rarely once at a time.

    It kind of reminds me of cover in shooters. It didn't become a big thing overnight(actually the first game that had it that I remember, Killswitch, was pretty much forgotten). It wasn't until years later when it was made workable in Gears that it became a bit thing. Not to say it wasn't present to some degree in games before it, but that shows the baby steps it had to take.

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  • RenegenRenegen Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Couscous wrote: »
    Xenogears feels like a game in which the developers decided to put as many idiotic religious and philosophical references while still having cliches like a amnesiac main character with a secret past.


    Except he's not an amnesiac but has
    split personality syndrome and the character everyone knows is actually a minor personality so the major personality controls him

    There, I fucking spoiled Xenogears to you, it was freaking epic. I was scared that the character known as "Fei" would cease to exist at any time, what would happen to his friends, or anyone else then?
    Has anyone ever had split personalities in a video game? Especially for such a major character? BlackIsle? Bioware? Not that I recall. It was unique then, and unique now. And what a colossal plot twist it was.

    As for religious references, it's more like hidden people using religion to control lesser beings. Not a reference, it was goddamn real!

    And look, 40 minutes have passed and nothing! Oops, guess he shouldn't have said that. Seriously people, not all jRPGs are bad. Do you see me playing Unfinite Undiscovery? No, some are bad but not all. Quite a few are great, like any other genre.

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  • DjiemDjiem Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Renegen wrote: »
    And look, 40 minutes have passed and nothing! Oops, guess he shouldn't have said that.

    I'm putting my money on either he didn't give a shit or didn't feel he had to "prove" anything to you.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    split personality syndrome and the character everyone knows is actually a minor personality so the major personality controls him
    Wow, that is retarded. It is also pretty much the same as a "You are really X all along!" plot twist.

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  • tehmarkentehmarken BrooklynRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Cherrn wrote: »

    Fixed that. That was something I liked about Star Ocean 2, it doesn't try to be too serious. It's a game, you have fun, some of it is serious, some of it is light-hearted.

    Star Ocean 3 I thought tried to be too serious all the time, and I only watched my roommate play it and was satisfied only watching and not playing.

    HOWEVER, the constant input of overly cute/young characters always irks me in most JRPGs. It used to appeal to me when I was young, but now that I'm (only slighty) more mature, it just irritates me.

    I still think when it comes to a classic JRPG style, the Breath of Fire series are what I consider the apex. They don't do anything really innovative or new, but they have a good story, good characters, good visuals, and good gameplay (except dragon quarter which was very different from the rest of the series; but that's why they didnt call it BoF5).

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