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KKDragonLord
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Hey guys, new here, i was looking for a place to discuss strips and posts from Gabe and Tycho, but i couldn't find the right place to do so. Ill just leave my comment here then.
Political cartoons are a bit better, actually quite a lot, in countries where there are multiple democratic parties, instead of a bipolar shennanigan dispute between Coke and Pepsi.
Mainly due to actual political engagement and intelligent use of irony from journalists with less strings attached that can actually make real questioning instead of just protecting the interests of the rich and powerful. (technically theres more strings but the conflict of interests from multiple parties allow for some journalism to occur in midst the political disputes).
In other words: Irony, sarcasm and humor can not come from hollow puppets.
Political cartoons are a bit better, actually quite a lot, in countries where there are multiple democratic parties, instead of a bipolar shennanigan dispute between Coke and Pepsi.
Mainly due to actual political engagement and intelligent use of irony from journalists with less strings attached that can actually make real questioning instead of just protecting the interests of the rich and powerful. (technically theres more strings but the conflict of interests from multiple parties allow for some journalism to occur in midst the political disputes).
In other words: Irony, sarcasm and humor can not come from hollow puppets.
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If you just want to discuss political cartoons, here's a decent enough place for it.
Also, I've seen Canadian, Australian, and British political cartoons. They pretty much all suck.
Usually they are also quite bad.
Is there any other kind of puppet? I mean, if I a puppet weren't hollow, where would you stick your hand?
Well, I guess that marionettes could be considered puppets.
Can irony, sarcasm and humor come from marionettes? Discuss!
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Political cartoons are basically a relic - a vestigial organ on a dying species. They're more or less kept around for tradition's sake, much like print newspapers themselves.
EDIT: That new yorker cover has always made me wish Michelle would grow an afro. She'd be even hotter fro'd.
Personally i tend to enjoy Michael leunig's stuff. Admittedly he got a bit heavy handed after the whole Iraq debacle.
That second one isn't even satire. It's just pure racism.
Not the first time around it was used. That's what makes it so goddamn funny.
This is like an Elizabethan woodcut.
Kool-Aid Man represents Kool-Aid. Lower class people use it because it is really cheap, and it became associated with black people like watermelons.
Then some people on the other side found them and said "Wow, this is brilliant."
It's just another stereotype: Blacks love Kool-Aid! I think it's supposed to be grape, for some reason. Or is it just grape soda?
God damn my knowledge base is horrifically skewed.
Republicans: "Hey, pa! Ah see one o' dem ironies o'er dere in tha woods. Wants ah should take this here stick an' done beat the tar outta it?"
I wonder if all us white-ass kids I grew up with guzzling gallons of kool-aid (Grape Kool-Aid, at that) are gonna wake up one day blackified.
Wait a second. Do you two not know Kool-Aid, how to make it, and what flavors it comes in?
The real problem is that they don't even strive for subtlety most of the time. You have a donkey colored blue and wearing a hat labeled "Democrats" standing on a rickety building with "Re-Election Chances" written on it, and there's a wrecking ball labeled "The Economy" hurtling towards it, and the Donkeycrat is saying "I hope that this wrecking ball does not damage the building that I am standing in!" and somehow this is supposed to be clever.
Some guy on a forum like ours was probably joking about stupid racists and one of them spent five minutes in photoshop cramming every stereotype possible into a picture and posted it and said "They'd probably make something retarded like this." And then an idiot stumbled across it.
Oh no. Kool-Aid, BBQ, fried chicken, and water melon are the stereotypical African American foods.
I am reasonably sure that Kool-Aid does, in fact, come in Grape. I was asking if the stereotype specified grape Kool-Aid, or if any flavor would do. I grew up on Kool-Aid. That shit is awesome.
There was actually some poli-cartoonist linked in some thread here recently who was surprisingly good. Like, both the art and the content was really well-done.
You know what is funny? I know this. I know all of this, same with a number of other stereotypes and derogatory terms for all kinds of people...
but I'm not 100% sure HOW I know all that. I mean, a lot comes from classes, and I guess books... (you'd be amazed how much racism iconography you can pick up from Stephen King) but it seems like I know too much about this shit for some reason.
I knew about the other ones. I thought it was grape soda that was stereotypically African American.
Here's the story. In May 08 this guy makes a satirical news post on his blog, complete with Obama Bucks picture. Original post here. You have to scroll down below the "Update" he's since put on the post.
In October, Diane Fedele of the Chaffey Community Republican Women comes across the picture, (obviously) not realizing the satire. She then puts it into their newsletter that goes out to more than 200 households.
Again, comedy gold.