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Hellblazer

LilithiumLilithium __BANNED USERS regular
edited April 2009 in Graphic Violence
So, I'm up to Hellblazer #87 right now. This is the best comic series I've read! The Skrull Invasion arc can't compare to this, nor can any of my most coveted Batman arcs. How awesome can one series get? I don't know!

I'm looking for Silk Cuts as I type this out.

What's that ringing? Ting-ting-a-linging in my head~? Oh, you're always there, making me whole. You're always waiting up for me. You're my first kiss, ever so pure, and ever so defiling, once lost, can never be the same. Fuck me. Violate me. Deny me.
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  • CrayonCrayon Sleeps in the wrong bed. TejasRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I would hope to god no one thought The Skrull Invasion arc was better than this considering that arc isn't even better than sticking hot needles through both your eyes.

    But yes, Hellblazer is quite amazing. If only the movie Constantine was as good as he was in Hellblazer.

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  • psycojesterpsycojester Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    If only John Constantine was actually in the movie Constantine. I really don't understand how you can take a property like that and mangle it so badly it turns into Keanu Reeves: American Catholic Daemon Hunter

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  • VirralVirral Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    According to IMDB the script had been floating around for a while with no takers, and it wasn't until they reworked the main character as an american that it got some interest.

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  • ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I've neither watched the movie nor have I read the comics.

    Judging from the trailers, the movie looks like End of Days, and is not interesting to me at all.

    As for the book, I've seen the character occasionally in Moore's Swampthing, and I think I saw it mentioned here that Ennis wrote some of it.

    I thoroughly enjoyed his Punisher and The Boys, and have read the first trade of Preacher which left me moderately entertained, but the demon/angel shit left me less interested. However, I liked it enough to want to eventually read more of it.

    Taking that into consideration, is Hellblazer good enough to justify reading even though the demons/supernatural stuff really bores me? and, if so, is it worth starting from the beginning, or are there significantly better arcs later on that can stand alone?

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  • LilithiumLilithium __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2009
    Crayon wrote: »
    I would hope to god no one thought The Skrull Invasion arc was better than this considering that arc isn't even better than sticking hot needles through both your eyes.

    But yes, Hellblazer is quite amazing. If only the movie Constantine was as good as he was in Hellblazer.

    Oh? You say that about the greatest retcon plot of all time? Shame!

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    What's that ringing? Ting-ting-a-linging in my head~? Oh, you're always there, making me whole. You're always waiting up for me. You're my first kiss, ever so pure, and ever so defiling, once lost, can never be the same. Fuck me. Violate me. Deny me.
  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    edited April 2009
    I thoroughly enjoyed his Punisher and The Boys, and have read the first trade of Preacher which left me moderately entertained, but the demon/angel shit left me less interested. However, I liked it enough to want to eventually read more of it.

    Taking that into consideration, is Hellblazer good enough to justify reading even though the demons/supernatural stuff really bores me? and, if so, is it worth starting from the beginning, or are there significantly better arcs later on that can stand alone?

    Almost every major UK comics writer (and several American ones) have had a crack at Hellblazer, with varying degrees of success. You can't go wrong just finding a writer you like and checking out his run on the book; rather than keeping strict continuity, each writer tends to rework the character's major themes in their own way, and there's very little that you need to know to get into the book - you're not going to be going "wait! who's that guy?" every five minutes.

    I don't know if you mean that the demon stuff in Preacher bores you, or that supernatural stuff in general bores you. As for the first, Ennis doesn't take supernatural stuff very seriously, so tends to use them to comic (as in ha-ha) purposes rather than dramatic ones, but his Hellblazer nonetheless has some great creepy stories that are massively unlike what you've seen in Preacher. For the second point - well, Hellblazer is a supernatural book. There's no way around that. However, its focus is on telling serious, adult stories where the horror is there to supply flavor and atmosphere to the larger themes: a classic early story, for instance, is a vicious sendup of 80s yuppiedom where upwardly-mobile types sell their souls for eternally thin bodies and stock options.

    As for the best runs - Ennis's is good, and Warren Ellis's brief run nonetheless had some high points. A lot of people are fans of Brian Azzarello's stuff. For my money, though, the best Hellblazer writer is the first one: Jamie Delano, who did the first thirty or forty issues and really defined Constantine as a character. He's never really made it big anywhere else, partly because his work is intensely cynical and bleak, but it's also brilliant, and his style is a perfect fit for the character, and all the subsequent interpretations almost necessarily riff on Delano's at some point.

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited April 2009
    Lilithium wrote: »
    Crayon wrote: »
    I would hope to god no one thought The Skrull Invasion arc was better than this considering that arc isn't even better than sticking hot needles through both your eyes.

    But yes, Hellblazer is quite amazing. If only the movie Constantine was as good as he was in Hellblazer.

    Oh? You say that about the greatest retcon plot of all time? Shame!

    Hey, this is a Hellblazer topic. I know you planted this seed in the OP, but let's drop it.

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  • psycojesterpsycojester Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    The way i like to view Hellblazer is the magical world seen from the bottom up, i love the fact that John is vastly outclassed by just about everybody he goes up against and basically survives on wits, luck and a snarky attitude more than anything else.

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  • TeaSpoonTeaSpoon Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Hellblazer, I think, is at the root a tragedy.

    Constantine cannot get away from the horror and bloodshed; it follows him wherever he goes. In fact, whenever he tries to make a life for himself outside the supernatural, he always ends with everyone he cares for dead. Everyone except himself, that is. Constantine is a survivor, at the expense of everything else.

    Constantine is also a cynic and, some claim, an utter bastard. It's his way of dealing with a world that wants nothing more than to see him shrivel up and die. He is followed a train of dead friends, lovers, and family. He is wrecked with guilt, most of which he entirely deserves.

    While this is true, Constantine is also the man in the streets. He is constantly at the mercy of forces far beyond him, whether it be Thatcher or demons. And like all peasants, he rolls with the punches. Instead of complaining, he does his best to create his own space in an unforgiving world, trying to find a measure of happiness. He has his "mates," a number of faceless barflies (or possibly pubflies), who can be counted on for a good time, to distract him from his woes with good beer and good company.

    There is no black and white in the Hellblazer universe (which is thematically different from the Vertigo universe). Nothing Constantine builds ever lasts. No victory is every without cost. The only way for Constantine to survive in this bleak and dystopian world is by playing unfair, cheating every way possible. It is the essence of his magic.

    At least, this is one interpretations. Other writers, especially those dealing with other Vertigo imprints, have also written him as the "Golden Fool," giving him mythical qualities. There, Constantine defies both angel and devil, spitting in the face of heaven and hell. He exists as a reminder to the hobnobs of the supernatural world that no one is infallible. He is the one who can look upon the gods and still laugh.
    I spent way too much time on this post.

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  • TethTeth __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2009
    This, along with Y, has been my only "must read" book for...shit, for as long as I can remember reading comics. It really doesn't get enough visibility or praise.

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  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Well, this thread prompted me to finally get Original Sins ordered through Amazon.

    Now we play the waiting game.

    ...

    The waiting game sucks. Let's play Hungry Hungry Hippos instead.

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  • Rob AnybodyRob Anybody Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Hellblazer is great. I like pretty much all of the writer-runs that's been mentioned in the thread. Some of the early stuff can feel slightly dated, but that's a natural result of having been around for ages, and dealing with social commentary. On that note, have people read the nixed Warren Ellis story Hellblazer: Shoot? It coincided with the Columbine shootings, although I think it was written beforehand.

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Okay, so, again, on DV's recommendation I picked up the first few trades of this. Quick question... in the first few issues, Constantine makes references to the Invunche that killed his friends... is this story told in Swamp Thing? Or will I find out what he's talking about later?

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  • LilithiumLilithium __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2009
    Thomas Constantine was one bastard of a bloke. :o

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    What's that ringing? Ting-ting-a-linging in my head~? Oh, you're always there, making me whole. You're always waiting up for me. You're my first kiss, ever so pure, and ever so defiling, once lost, can never be the same. Fuck me. Violate me. Deny me.
  • Rob AnybodyRob Anybody Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Sentry wrote: »
    Okay, so, again, on DV's recommendation I picked up the first few trades of this. Quick question... in the first few issues, Constantine makes references to the Invunche that killed his friends... is this story told in Swamp Thing? Or will I find out what he's talking about later?

    Swamp Thing, I think. I seem to remember that question being unanswered until I got my hands on ST years later... Let's just sum it up with "it was his fault" (no real spoiler, it usually is, and if it's not, he assumes it is), I don't think it bothered me much when I read hellblazer, or even when I finally read it in swamp thing later.

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  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    edited April 2009
    Sentry wrote: »
    Okay, so, again, on DV's recommendation I picked up the first few trades of this. Quick question... in the first few issues, Constantine makes references to the Invunche that killed his friends... is this story told in Swamp Thing? Or will I find out what he's talking about later?

    Yeah, that was in Swamp Thing. Fucking creepy, too.

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  • LilithiumLilithium __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2009
    It wasn't that creepy. More so mildly amusing.

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    What's that ringing? Ting-ting-a-linging in my head~? Oh, you're always there, making me whole. You're always waiting up for me. You're my first kiss, ever so pure, and ever so defiling, once lost, can never be the same. Fuck me. Violate me. Deny me.
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