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Policies & Procedures Brainstorming Thread

ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
So, we, the mods, want to hear from you, the forumers, about things that can be changed on these, the forums. Thus, we have created this thread to hear ideas. Mostly, we're looking for things we can change with regards to policies and practices; most of the stuff we'd like to change that's code-related will have to wait until the next version of the forums (yes, there will be a thread for that, too). This thread isn't "let's vote on what to do," either. It's mostly here for the administration to mine for ideas for changes that might be good; it's a way for us to get more brains throwing out ideas than just the mods.

Now, for the ground rules: first and foremost, if you're posting in here, it had damn well better be constructive. If you're dragging the thread off-topic, being snarky, or putting in personal attacks, not only are we temp-banning you, but we're also trashcanning the post. This also goes for anyone replying to said posts. Don't do it. This isn't to say that you can't criticize an idea or a current policy/practice, merely that "that's retarded" is not really helping anything. This also means we refrain not only from ad hominems, but personal attacks altogether (yes, this goes for me, too). We don't want people to be afraid to put out just about any idea they're willing to subject to rational, thoughtful criticism. Second, no discussing the G&T chat thread or the megathreads. They're not coming back, and all such a discussion of that will lead to is a thread full of people yelling at each other, which is exactly what we'd like to avoid. We'll be using the same trashcan/ban policy with these posts, as well as with people replying to them.

Of course, we don't want to limit this merely to G&T, or SE++, or D&D. We're looking for ideas for any of the forums, or overarching ideas for all of the forums. Anything that hasn't previously been mentioned as verboten is fair game.

Just to get people started, we're currently trying to figure out some way to help PAers get together and game, aside from the standard Game On threads. One of the ideas we've come up with is AFK threads with people's DS friend codes, Wii codes, Xbox Live handles, etc.

So, get to it. Let's hear some ideas.

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  • AroducAroduc regular
    edited November 2006
    How about further clarification as to what is and what isn't acceptable NSFW material? Giant ASCII Penises (thanks G&T) and explicit slash Harry Potter fanfiction (thanks SE++) seem kind of... you know... outside what should be acceptable.

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  • SeñorAmorSeñorAmor !!! Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    The only real "complaint" that I can think of is the lack of mod coverage in G&T. I rarely read G&T (peruse it frequently, however), but it seems to me that when I spot something that needs to be cleaned up, there are never any G&T mods online.

    If I think of anything else, I'll be sure to add it later. Otherwise, I really have no gripes about anything here.

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  • TubeTube Administrator, ClubPA admin
    edited November 2006
    Aroduc wrote:
    How about further clarification as to what is and what isn't acceptable NSFW material? Giant ASCII Penises (thanks G&T) and explicit slash Harry Potter fanfiction (thanks SE++) seem kind of... you know... outside what should be acceptable.

    I'd imagine that most workplaces would be less concerned with text than images. Otherwise the whole forum is pretty much NSFW.

    EDIT: Although a giant ASCII penis could obviously get you in trouble, and I can't offhand think of any context in G&T where that would be appropriate anyway.

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  • DynagripDynagrip destroy everything you touch Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    Thanatos wrote:
    Just to get people started, we're currently trying to figure out some way to help PAers get together and game, aside from the standard Game On threads. One of the ideas we've come up with is AFK threads with people's DS friend codes, Wii codes, Xbox Live handles, etc.

    So, get to it. Let's hear some ideas.
    Resurrect my PA Olympics idea. It's in the mod forum somewhere.

    As far as mod/forumer interaction, I wish that some mods wouldn't be the ones to pull the triggers on bans when it makes it look like needless cross moderation to justify their badge. The Rambozo thing comes to mind.

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  • Captain KCaptain K Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    For what it's worth, the only giant ASCII penis in G&T in recent memory was in a Dwarf Fortress thread, and I broke the image tag as soon as it was pointed out to me.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Dynagrip wrote:
    As far as mod/forumer interaction, I wish that some mods wouldn't be the ones to pull the triggers on bans when it makes it look like needless cross moderation to justify their badge. The Rambozo thing comes to mind.
    Rambozo was posting in the Writer's Block, and was banned by a Writer's Block mod; I'm not really seeing how that's cross-moderation, let alone needless cross-moderation.

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  • headn00bheadn00b Registered User
    edited November 2006
    Maybe I missed something about this, and if I did I apologize, but some kind of clarification regarding Linksville-esque threads and what is/isn't acceptable now that Linksville is gone would be nice.

    Edit: Thinking about this more, maybe have more regular announcements in The Monkey Den, as opposed to in individual forums. That way everyone is more likely to notice them.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    ASCII peni draws a line because a person would only get in trouble if their boss looked at it that precise moment, it wouldn't be stored on the server and come back to haunt them (I think). Same with slash text. People could post that 'Guts' story in context and I wouldn't call it NSFW.

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  • TheHanku6TheHanku6 Registered User
    edited November 2006
    How about letting us see the Mod forum? Whenever issues come up, we only get what the mods say, and they don't quote it directly.

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  • TubeTube Administrator, ClubPA admin
    edited November 2006
    TheHanku6 wrote:
    How about letting us see the Mod forum? Whenever issues come up, we only get what the mods say, and they don't quote it directly.

    No.

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  • EchoEcho Moderator mod
    edited November 2006
    The only real "complaint" that I can think of is the lack of mod coverage in G&T. I rarely read G&T (peruse it frequently, however), but it seems to me that when I spot something that needs to be cleaned up, there are never any G&T mods online.

    I may not have an active session on the forums and thus show up in the online list, but I do spend pretty much my entire day in front of the computer with the forums open in Firefox, and is thus reachable via IM and IRC.

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  • Captain KCaptain K Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Echo wrote:
    The only real "complaint" that I can think of is the lack of mod coverage in G&T. I rarely read G&T (peruse it frequently, however), but it seems to me that when I spot something that needs to be cleaned up, there are never any G&T mods online.

    I may not have an active session on the forums and thus show up in the online list, but I do spend pretty much my entire day in front of the computer with the forums open in Firefox, and is thus reachable via IM and IRC.
    The same goes for me. I spend pretty much every second of my time at home with the forums open in Firefox, and I can easily be reached on Ventrilo or through Xfire.

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  • NeoflyNeofly Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    It would be good if we knew exactly what does Whippy and the mods expect from G&T.

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  • SixfortyfiveSixfortyfive Registered User
    edited November 2006
    Some quick thoughts on G&T:

    Spam threads: Personally, I'm glad to see you guys cracking down on them but I think the rules regarding them could be worded a little better, and I think some people have been getting the wrong impression. Now, I know that by bumping spam threads, you increase their visibility, increase the odds of spam links being clicked, increase the number of referals to these sites from Penny Arcade, and probably increase the odds that additional spam accounts are created here. Perhaps something like this could be added to the rules so that people don't get the wrong impression.

    Thread assassination: I've never really liked this rule. I know that nobody likes to see legit threads sidetracked by asshats, but there IS such a thing as a bad thread and it is a shame--nay, an OUTRAGE--that we can never have a broken microwave (open in IE) or where is the internet stored thread ever again. They gave this forum a lot of personality.

    Poll threads: These have been a point of contention for a while. I don't think there was ever an official rule about them, but I remember Raijin cracking down on them some time ago and with good reason, so maybe it's time something was set in stone. Basically, any time a thread becomes a question-and-answer list topic, like "Wut is ur favorit game muzak," followed by people rushing to give their input without really participating in any kind of discussion, have it locked and done away with. Don't ban any kind of topic outright, but make it apparent that threads must have substance in order to survive.

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  • DynagripDynagrip destroy everything you touch Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    Thanatos wrote:
    Dynagrip wrote:
    As far as mod/forumer interaction, I wish that some mods wouldn't be the ones to pull the triggers on bans when it makes it look like needless cross moderation to justify their badge. The Rambozo thing comes to mind.
    Rambozo was posting in the Writer's Block, and was banned by a Writer's Block mod; I'm not really seeing how that's cross-moderation, let alone needless cross-moderation.
    Did he do anything ban worthy in there? Last I heard he posted a few of his stories, partially inspired most likely from general acclaim in D&D. The D&D mods didn't seem to have any problem with his return. Sure the dude would probably fuck up again and get his ass banned, but whatever. He could have provided some amusing forum anecdotes in the mean time.

    It just looks really bad to me.

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  • SeñorAmorSeñorAmor !!! Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Captain K wrote:
    Echo wrote:
    The only real "complaint" that I can think of is the lack of mod coverage in G&T. I rarely read G&T (peruse it frequently, however), but it seems to me that when I spot something that needs to be cleaned up, there are never any G&T mods online.

    I may not have an active session on the forums and thus show up in the online list, but I do spend pretty much my entire day in front of the computer with the forums open in Firefox, and is thus reachable via IM and IRC.
    The same goes for me. I spend pretty much every second of my time at home with the forums open in Firefox, and I can easily be reached on Ventrilo or through Xfire.

    Well, admittedly I've only tried to contact you on AIM once, and you were offline that time, so :P

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  • AccualtAccualt Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Neofly wrote:
    It would be good if we knew exactly what does Whippy and the mods expect from G&T.

    I expect you guys to play nice together and with new posters. Lets face it most people who are visiting the PA forums for the first time are fans of games. The least intimidatingly named forum is G&T so they will probably head there first (WTF is an SE++? Why is there a Den full of Monkeys?). G&T regulars should consider themselves ambassadors and act accordingly.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    TheHanku6 wrote:
    How about letting us see the Mod forum? Whenever issues come up, we only get what the mods say, and they don't quote it directly.
    The problem we run into with that is that the mods need someplace to discuss things they wouldn't want every user seeing. Most of the stuff we discuss in there either doesn't matter to the users, or would be useless to have if the users could see them. I'll risk people yelling about "mod forum leak," here, and give an example:

    We have a thread called "forumers to watch." This is where we post forumers we want to keep an eye on, for whatever reason. For instance, if we suspect forumer X is a shill, we'll mention it in there, and make a point of checking his IP occasionally, to see where he's posting from. If we were to make that post public, it would defeat the purpose, because forumer X could simply avoid logging in from any revealing IP, or make a point of mixing up his shill-like behavior, so we couldn't make as solid of a case.

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  • SixfortyfiveSixfortyfive Registered User
    edited November 2006
    Thanatos wrote:
    One of the ideas we've come up with is AFK threads with people's DS friend codes, Wii codes, Xbox Live handles, etc.
    Maybe some kind of official wiki could be set up? I know there are existing DS and 360 wikis that G&Ters use to post game recommendations, high scores, friend codes / gamertags, etc.

    AFK is a good idea in theory but it's underused and so much information there is outdated.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Dynagrip wrote:
    Thanatos wrote:
    Dynagrip wrote:
    As far as mod/forumer interaction, I wish that some mods wouldn't be the ones to pull the triggers on bans when it makes it look like needless cross moderation to justify their badge. The Rambozo thing comes to mind.
    Rambozo was posting in the Writer's Block, and was banned by a Writer's Block mod; I'm not really seeing how that's cross-moderation, let alone needless cross-moderation.
    Did he do anything ban worthy in there? Last I heard he posted a few of his stories, partially inspired most likely from general acclaim in D&D. The D&D mods didn't seem to have any problem with his return. Sure the dude would probably fuck up again and get his ass banned, but whatever. He could have provided some amusing forum anecdotes in the mean time.

    It just looks really bad to me.
    Technically, he was evading 2 bans, so, it was ban-worthy. We are discussing it, though.

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  • EchoEcho Moderator mod
    edited November 2006
    Ages ago I did a quick PHP hack that stored everyone's user name, Steam name, Xfire name etc. Something like that would be easier to use than trudging through a text list in AFK.

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  • DocDoc Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    Thanatos wrote:
    We have a thread called "forumers to watch." This is where we post forumers we want to keep an eye on, for whatever reason. For instance, if we suspect forumer X is a shill, we'll mention it in there, and make a point of checking his IP occasionally, to see where he's posting from. If we were to make that post public, it would defeat the purpose, because forumer X could simply avoid logging in from any revealing IP, or make a point of mixing up his shill-like behavior, so we couldn't make as solid of a case.

    The thread is mostly about Elkamil, though.

    Doc on
  • DynagripDynagrip destroy everything you touch Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    Thanatos wrote:
    Technically, he was evading 2 bans, so, it was ban-worthy. We are discussing it, though.
    I'm pretty sure that Orik believes in Leprechauns and didn't want to be ridiculed.

    I don't spend a lot of time in G&T so I can't really speak to any problems they might have. I really like D&D and SE++ at the moment. Lots of good threads in both. Or maybe I've been drinking more, whichever.

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  • AroducAroduc regular
    edited November 2006
    Thanatos wrote:
    One of the ideas we've come up with is AFK threads with people's DS friend codes, Wii codes, Xbox Live handles, etc.
    Maybe some kind of official wiki could be set up? I know there are existing DS and 360 wikis that G&Ters use to post game recommendations, high scores, friend codes / gamertags, etc.

    AFK is a good idea in theory but it's underused and so much information there is outdated.

    That reminds me, it hasn't been much of an issue recently with the next gen stuff, but I imagine it will be again soon enough...

    I detest those "I just bought an X, what games should I get for it?" threads with a passion since they immediately just devolve into the most generic of generic poll threads despite popping up four or five times a week at their worst and there are mostly duplicate AFK threads, but they're completely out of date and nobody would bother to look there anyway. I'm not really certain what would fix it, but making AFK more visible/used would be delightful.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Thread assassination: I've never really liked this rule. I know that nobody likes to see legit threads sidetracked by asshats, but there IS such a thing as a bad thread and it is a shame--nay, an OUTRAGE--that we can never have a broken microwave (open in IE) or where is the internet stored thread ever again. They gave this forum a lot of personality.
    I'll let someone else address the other two issues, but here's what I think on the thread assassination issue: one of the problems we get complaints about from an awful lot of users is that enforcement of the rules isn't uniform. This is especially true of the thread assassination rule, because of what people judge to be "bad threads." If another microwave thread came up, I sure as hell wouldn't jail or ban people for treating it like that. The problem is that in a sub-forum the size of G&T, you'll have a certain portion of the population (not even necessarily a large portion) deciding that the "microwave threads" are license for them to assassinate every thread. And then, when that person gets punished for assassinating those threads, many people complain that it's not fair, because no one was punished for assassinating "where is the internet stored," which kind of forces our hand to a zero-tolerance policy.

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  • TheHanku6TheHanku6 Registered User
    edited November 2006
    Thanatos wrote:
    TheHanku6 wrote:
    How about letting us see the Mod forum? Whenever issues come up, we only get what the mods say, and they don't quote it directly.
    The problem we run into with that is that the mods need someplace to discuss things they wouldn't want every user seeing. Most of the stuff we discuss in there either doesn't matter to the users, or would be useless to have if the users could see them. I'll risk people yelling about "mod forum leak," here, and give an example:

    We have a thread called "forumers to watch." This is where we post forumers we want to keep an eye on, for whatever reason. For instance, if we suspect forumer X is a shill, we'll mention it in there, and make a point of checking his IP occasionally, to see where he's posting from. If we were to make that post public, it would defeat the purpose, because forumer X could simply avoid logging in from any revealing IP, or make a point of mixing up his shill-like behavior, so we couldn't make as solid of a case.
    Wouldn't keeping watch on him shown in public make him stop? Does one thread justify keeping everyone from seeing it? And Doc just pointed out someone so...

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    TheHanku6 wrote:
    Thanatos wrote:
    TheHanku6 wrote:
    How about letting us see the Mod forum? Whenever issues come up, we only get what the mods say, and they don't quote it directly.
    The problem we run into with that is that the mods need someplace to discuss things they wouldn't want every user seeing. Most of the stuff we discuss in there either doesn't matter to the users, or would be useless to have if the users could see them. I'll risk people yelling about "mod forum leak," here, and give an example:

    We have a thread called "forumers to watch." This is where we post forumers we want to keep an eye on, for whatever reason. For instance, if we suspect forumer X is a shill, we'll mention it in there, and make a point of checking his IP occasionally, to see where he's posting from. If we were to make that post public, it would defeat the purpose, because forumer X could simply avoid logging in from any revealing IP, or make a point of mixing up his shill-like behavior, so we couldn't make as solid of a case.
    Wouldn't keeping watch on him shown in public make him stop? Does one thread justify keeping everyone from seeing it? And Doc just pointed out someone so...
    Doc was joking. Elkamil is a regular in D&D. :P

    And showing it in public probably wouldn't make him stop, it'd just make him be more careful about it. And that's an example, not the only example.

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  • TubeTube Administrator, ClubPA admin
    edited November 2006
    TheHanku6 wrote:
    Wouldn't keeping watch on him shown in public make him stop? Does one thread justify keeping everyone from seeing it? And Doc just pointed out someone so...

    Doc was kidding. There's plenty of stuff in the mod forum that isn't particularly inflammatory but isn't really for public consumption either. Discussing of new mods, various policies etc...

    Making the forum public means that discussion of any controversial policies (that may never come to pass) is impossible without drama explosions. I can say pretty certainly that the mod forum is not going to be made public in the forseeable future.

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  • TheHanku6TheHanku6 Registered User
    edited November 2006
    Thanatos wrote:
    TheHanku6 wrote:
    Thanatos wrote:
    TheHanku6 wrote:
    How about letting us see the Mod forum? Whenever issues come up, we only get what the mods say, and they don't quote it directly.
    The problem we run into with that is that the mods need someplace to discuss things they wouldn't want every user seeing. Most of the stuff we discuss in there either doesn't matter to the users, or would be useless to have if the users could see them. I'll risk people yelling about "mod forum leak," here, and give an example:

    We have a thread called "forumers to watch." This is where we post forumers we want to keep an eye on, for whatever reason. For instance, if we suspect forumer X is a shill, we'll mention it in there, and make a point of checking his IP occasionally, to see where he's posting from. If we were to make that post public, it would defeat the purpose, because forumer X could simply avoid logging in from any revealing IP, or make a point of mixing up his shill-like behavior, so we couldn't make as solid of a case.
    Wouldn't keeping watch on him shown in public make him stop? Does one thread justify keeping everyone from seeing it? And Doc just pointed out someone so...
    Doc was joking. Elkamil is a regular in D&D. :P

    And showing it in public probably wouldn't make him stop, it'd just make him be more careful about it. And that's an example, not the only example.
    What do you do with the shills anyway? Say stop, jail or ban?

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  • DynagripDynagrip destroy everything you touch Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    TheHanku6 wrote:
    Wouldn't keeping watch on him shown in public make him stop? Does one thread justify keeping everyone from seeing it? And Doc just pointed out someone so...

    Doc was kidding. There's plenty of stuff in the mod forum that isn't particularly inflammatory but isn't really for public consumption either. Discussing of new mods, various policies etc...

    Making the forum public means that discussion of any controversial policies (that may never come to pass) is impossible without drama explosions. I can say pretty certainly that the mod forum is not going to be made public in the forseeable future.
    Unless some A/C mod fucks things up again.

    It would probably be good if both Admins were more visible. Whippy does a good job making appearances into the SE++ side of things, but he's probably scarce elsewhere. I think alphamonkey is rotting away somewhere.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    TheHanku6 wrote:
    Thanatos wrote:
    TheHanku6 wrote:
    How about letting us see the Mod forum? Whenever issues come up, we only get what the mods say, and they don't quote it directly.
    The problem we run into with that is that the mods need someplace to discuss things they wouldn't want every user seeing. Most of the stuff we discuss in there either doesn't matter to the users, or would be useless to have if the users could see them. I'll risk people yelling about "mod forum leak," here, and give an example:

    We have a thread called "forumers to watch." This is where we post forumers we want to keep an eye on, for whatever reason. For instance, if we suspect forumer X is a shill, we'll mention it in there, and make a point of checking his IP occasionally, to see where he's posting from. If we were to make that post public, it would defeat the purpose, because forumer X could simply avoid logging in from any revealing IP, or make a point of mixing up his shill-like behavior, so we couldn't make as solid of a case.
    Wouldn't keeping watch on him shown in public make him stop? Does one thread justify keeping everyone from seeing it? And Doc just pointed out someone so...

    One of the reasons why it is in private is so we don't have to worry about the politics of constant scrutiny for our views in the public eye. More communication would be a good thing, between mods and forumers (as this thread is intent on doing). But opening the window entirely would make everything much more political than it needs to be.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    TheHanku6 wrote:
    Thanatos wrote:
    TheHanku6 wrote:
    Thanatos wrote:
    TheHanku6 wrote:
    How about letting us see the Mod forum? Whenever issues come up, we only get what the mods say, and they don't quote it directly.
    The problem we run into with that is that the mods need someplace to discuss things they wouldn't want every user seeing. Most of the stuff we discuss in there either doesn't matter to the users, or would be useless to have if the users could see them. I'll risk people yelling about "mod forum leak," here, and give an example:

    We have a thread called "forumers to watch." This is where we post forumers we want to keep an eye on, for whatever reason. For instance, if we suspect forumer X is a shill, we'll mention it in there, and make a point of checking his IP occasionally, to see where he's posting from. If we were to make that post public, it would defeat the purpose, because forumer X could simply avoid logging in from any revealing IP, or make a point of mixing up his shill-like behavior, so we couldn't make as solid of a case.
    Wouldn't keeping watch on him shown in public make him stop? Does one thread justify keeping everyone from seeing it? And Doc just pointed out someone so...
    Doc was joking. Elkamil is a regular in D&D. :P

    And showing it in public probably wouldn't make him stop, it'd just make him be more careful about it. And that's an example, not the only example.
    What do you do with the shills anyway? Say stop, jail or ban?
    Depends on the shill. I can't imagine a circumstance where we'd merely jail them. But saying "stop" and banning are both options. We've discussed merely outing them in the past.

    Thanatos on
  • Non-Existent FreezerNon-Existent Freezer Registered User
    edited November 2006
    Accualt wrote:
    I expect you guys to play nice together and with new posters. Lets face it most people who are visiting the PA forums for the first time are fans of games. The least intimidatingly named forum is G&T so they will probably head there first (WTF is an SE++? Why is there a Den full of Monkeys?). G&T regulars should consider themselves ambassadors and act accordingly.
    Just like how when someone starts playing a squad-based shooter online and doesn't know what they're doing, everyone is bound to treat them well and show them the ropes, right?

    G&T was the first forum I was inclined to visit when I first arrived here, and I was treated just like any other user. I've met a pretty wide array of new users and seen others' reactions to them in my time here. From what I've seen, it always, always, always follows the same pattern; act civilly, everyone treats you normally/well. Do something completely moronic, you get smothered with insults for it.

    I'm not seeing this "Oh man a new person hide the booze party's over" stuff that everyone seems to think is so abundant around here.

    It just seems a little unfair that people on one forum are supposed to follow some higher standard than all of the others just because of the board's name, even moreso because usually the only time that people *don't* follow this higher standard is when someone breaks a rule. This indicates to me that a person with a more recent join date can get away with more things without consequences, creating a double standard.

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  • DocDoc Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    Making the forum public means that discussion of any controversial policies (that may never come to pass) is impossible without drama explosions. I can say pretty certainly that the mod forum is not going to be made public in the forseeable future.

    Not only that, but we also have things like an off-duty thread that explains when we are taking off, and asks other mods to keep an eye on our forum for us. I'd just as soon not have this information publicly available. I remember what happened to substitute teachers in high school.

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  • SixfortyfiveSixfortyfive Registered User
    edited November 2006
    I don't think lobbying to make the mod forum public is a good idea.

    If it solves any problems, it would just create others.

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  • TubeTube Administrator, ClubPA admin
    edited November 2006
    It just seems a little unfair that people on one forum are supposed to follow some higher standard than all of the others just because of the board's name

    The standards G&T are held to aren't any higher than those of the other forums, except perhaps SE. And really, isn't most of the world expected to behave better than people in SE do?

    Tube on
    Hobnail wrote: »
    This forum has taken everything from me
    This hurts but I deserve it

  • EchoEcho Moderator mod
    edited November 2006
    And let's not talk about that thread with every mod's personal contact info and sometimes phone number.

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    Echo wrote: »
    Let they who have not posted about their balls in the wrong thread cast the first stone.
  • EchoEcho Moderator mod
    edited November 2006
    For the latest plant in G&T I told him to either contribute more stuff than threads with links to his own less than interesting site, or GTFO.

    Haven't seen him since.

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    Echo wrote: »
    Let they who have not posted about their balls in the wrong thread cast the first stone.
  • rayofashrayofash Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I don't think lobbying to make the mod forum public is a good idea.

    If it solves any problems, it would just create others.

    Agreed.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Accualt wrote:
    I expect you guys to play nice together and with new posters. Lets face it most people who are visiting the PA forums for the first time are fans of games. The least intimidatingly named forum is G&T so they will probably head there first (WTF is an SE++? Why is there a Den full of Monkeys?). G&T regulars should consider themselves ambassadors and act accordingly.
    Just like how when someone starts playing a squad-based shooter online and doesn't know what they're doing, everyone is bound to treat them well and show them the ropes, right?

    G&T was the first forum I was inclined to visit when I first arrived here, and I was treated just like any other user. I've met a pretty wide array of new users and seen others' reactions to them in my time here. From what I've seen, it always, always, always follows the same pattern; act civilly, everyone treats you normally/well. Do something completely moronic, you get smothered with insults for it.

    I'm not seeing this "Oh man a new person hide the booze party's over" stuff that everyone seems to think is so abundant around here.

    It just seems a little unfair that people on one forum are supposed to follow some higher standard than all of the others just because of the board's name, even moreso because usually the only time that people *don't* follow this higher standard is when someone breaks a rule. This indicates to me that a person with a more recent join date can get away with more things without consequences, creating a double standard.
    If you think G&T is held to a high standard, try coming into D&D sometime. Or the WB, A/C... pretty much everywhere except SE++.

    And yeah, there are different standards for all the subforums. The most authoritarian of which, I'm fine with admitting, is probably H/A. That's because each subforum has a different atmosphere, and a different context from which people should be posting. I'd say that probably the hardest one to come up with an appropriate standard for is G&T, but it's a constantly ongoing project, there.

    Thanatos on
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