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Policies & Procedures Brainstorming Thread

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    1. I don't think "faggot" should be acceptable ever.

    2. I'd like to see more interaction with the forumers by the mods, the G&T mods specificaly. Lots of them posts to mod, poststo be snide and snarky, but rarely actually add to a conversation. I think that if we want to make the forum the best it can be, we need the moderators to lead by example as well as leading by rules. If the G&T mods acted more like the D&D mods, and participated in threads rather than just yelling when they see something they don't like, the forum would be way better.

    I mean check out apo's post history. He has had like, one meaningful conversation in the past few weeks, and then he has just been snarky.

    Orikaeshigitae almost never posts in G&T anymore. Why then is he modding it? Because he used to?

    Sorry to single these guys out, because most of the mods are at fault.

    I think the mods should be pillars of the community, not people standing above the community throwing snark and anger down, while giving little back. It sets a really bad example to all the forumers, and they'll start to think posting nothing but snark without substance is an acceptible method of posting. And in a forum like G&T, it shouldn't be.

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  • EchoEcho Moderator mod
    edited November 2006
    Orikaeshigitae almost never posts in G&T anymore. Why then is he modding it? Because he used to?

    Because he hasn't been removed from the G&T mod group yet. He's asked for it himself.

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  • TheHanku6TheHanku6 Registered User
    edited November 2006
    Echo wrote:
    And let's not talk about that thread with every mod's personal contact info and sometimes phone number.
    Everyone but Tube would be safe.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Echo wrote:
    Orikaeshigitae almost never posts in G&T anymore. Why then is he modding it? Because he used to?

    Because he hasn't been removed from the G&T mod group yet. He's asked for it himself.
    Hey alright :^:

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  • SarksusSarksus ATTACK AND DETHRONE GODRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Are other members from other forums (besides SE++) also expected to be ambassadors?

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited November 2006
    Sarksus wrote:
    Are other members from other forums (besides SE++) also expected to be ambassadors?

    Uh, I'm going to disagree with another moderators post by saying that I don't consider G&T posters to be ambassadors for anything, I just expect them to follow the rules and behave themselves fairly decently. The same is expected of every other forum.

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  • A duck!A duck! Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited November 2006
    Sarksus wrote:
    Are other members from other forums (besides SE++) also expected to be ambassadors?

    You know, you're all supposed to be ambassadors in the on-topics. You're all supposed to act like generally decent human beings, so by nature you should all be good representatives of the on-topics.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited November 2006
    Uh, and orikae hasn't quit. That's a misunderstanding I'm afraid.

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  • SarksusSarksus ATTACK AND DETHRONE GODRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    A duck! wrote:
    Sarksus wrote:
    Are other members from other forums (besides SE++) also expected to be ambassadors?

    You know, you're all supposed to be ambassadors in the on-topics. You're all supposed to act like generally decent human beings, so by nature you should all be good representatives of the on-topics.

    I'm not in disagreement. I just wanted to know if this was the case.

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  • EchoEcho Moderator mod
    edited November 2006
    Related tangent: Why does "Must post frequently in forum" have to be a requirement to moderate it? Heck, I don't consider myself to be a really frequent poster in G&T.

    I'm more interested in moderating skills than posting skills. The two are entirely separated.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Brief lock while I split some stuff out.

    Discussion on use of the word "faggot" can now take place here.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited November 2006
    Sorry, you said "discrimination", I got it wrong. The forums don't discriminate against homosexuals. We have many openly homosexual forumers, who get by just fine. Hell, plenty are pillars of the community. I absolutely refute the claim that these forums discriminate against homosexuals.

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  • TheHanku6TheHanku6 Registered User
    edited November 2006
    Echo wrote:
    Related tangent: Why does "Must post frequently in forum" have to be a requirement to moderate it? Heck, I don't consider myself to be a really frequent poster in G&T.

    I'm more interested in moderating skills than posting skills. The two are entirely separated.
    I think posting gives people comfort that there's someone there engaging in the community and ready to put on their mod cape when a rule is broken, rather than them waiting in the shadows. People might watch themselves better if their presence is made clear too.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Echo wrote:
    Related tangent: Why does "Must post frequently in forum" have to be a requirement to moderate it? Heck, I don't consider myself to be a really frequent poster in G&T.

    I'm more interested in moderating skills than posting skills. The two are entirely separated.
    Mods should lead by example. Be pillars of the community.

    I'd also argue that you cannot govern a group of people you don't understand. And you can't understand people you don't talk to.

    You also need to do this to earn respect among the forumers. The D&D mods are in general well liked and respected in their community because they participate in it.

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  • Non-Existent FreezerNon-Existent Freezer Registered User
    edited November 2006
    I agree that mods making special effort to converse with non-mod users probably isn't the best idea. From my experience with moderation in various places, it really probably should be as impersonal as possible. In some places I've seen tons of favoritism and the like because moderators maintained regular posting/contact with most of the other users.

    So basically what I'm saying is that not having close ties with users can make moderation as objective as possible.

    It can also piss everyone off real bad, so it's kind of a lose lose situation. :|

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  • A duck!A duck! Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited November 2006
    Echo wrote:
    Related tangent: Why does "Must post frequently in forum" have to be a requirement to moderate it? Heck, I don't consider myself to be a really frequent poster in G&T.

    I'm more interested in moderating skills than posting skills. The two are entirely separated.

    I actually disagree. It seemed like the original crop of mods were the type of people who were able to dictate forum policy and moods without actually having a badge, and I think that added a lot to how they could shape the forum they moderated. A lot of us back in the M2 days had little to no actual moderation, so it was a lot of social policy stuff that kept things going smoothly, and it was a lot of fun. I think if you're a no-show in your own forum then it's going to rankle the regulars, and I think they have a right to be that way.

    EDIT - Mods should definately try to be the pillars of their forums.

    EDIT 2 - "Smoothly" might be a bit extreme. Maybe a lot extreme.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    Mods should be visible.

    This doesn't mean they need to be postwhores.

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    TheHanku6 wrote:
    Echo wrote:
    Related tangent: Why does "Must post frequently in forum" have to be a requirement to moderate it? Heck, I don't consider myself to be a really frequent poster in G&T.

    I'm more interested in moderating skills than posting skills. The two are entirely separated.
    I think posting gives people comfort that there's someone there engaging in the community and ready to put on their mod cape when a rule is broken, rather than them waiting in the shadows. People might watch themselves better if their presence is made clear too.

    It's the urban sprawl method of policing.

    In high-crime neighborhoods, smart police divisions make a point of making themselves visible. They get to know the people, helping them out, becoming friends, helping out in community building elements. Thus, when bad shit actually happens, people trust the cops and go to them for help. Less people get hurt, less bad feelings, and less of an "us vs. them" mentality.

    A lot of people, I've seen, would feel this kind of attitude would go a long way in the entirety of the PA forums.

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  • SlungsolowSlungsolow Registered User, ClubPA
    edited November 2006
    A duck! wrote:
    Echo wrote:
    Related tangent: Why does "Must post frequently in forum" have to be a requirement to moderate it? Heck, I don't consider myself to be a really frequent poster in G&T.

    I'm more interested in moderating skills than posting skills. The two are entirely separated.

    I actually disagree. It seemed like the original crop of mods were the type of people who were able to dictate forum policy and moods without actually having a badge, and I think that added a lot to how they could shape the forum they moderated. A lot of us back in the M2 days had little to no actual moderation, so it was a lot of social policy stuff that kept things going smoothly, and it was a lot of fun. I think if you're a no-show in your own forum then it's going to rankle the regulars, and I think they have a right to be that way.

    EDIT - Mods should definately try to be the pillars of their forums.

    I 100% agree. The most important thing a mod does is fit in with their forum peers.

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  • ZierathZierath Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Echo wrote:
    Related tangent: Why does "Must post frequently in forum" have to be a requirement to moderate it? Heck, I don't consider myself to be a really frequent poster in G&T.

    I'm more interested in moderating skills than posting skills. The two are entirely separated.

    I think it gives the impression that the moderators are "secret police" of sorts. This tends to lead to there being a lot of distrust toward the mods.

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  • EpiphyteEpiphyte Registered User
    edited November 2006
    Echo wrote:
    Related tangent: Why does "Must post frequently in forum" have to be a requirement to moderate it? Heck, I don't consider myself to be a really frequent poster in G&T.

    I'm more interested in moderating skills than posting skills. The two are entirely separated.
    Because having the mods throw down bans and jailing and new rules from on high tends to breed an atmosphere of distrust.

    The current Us vs Them atmosphere in G&T is not healthy at all. If the community felt the mods were more heavily invested in their particular forum, it would go a long way toward alleviating this.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited November 2006
    I often guy for a while without posting in SE. It doesn't mean that I "don't understand" them, or that I don't care. It means that maybe I don't have anything to say at that point. Other times something will catch my eye and I'll post a lot. I don't think that necessarily makes me a bad mod, I'd say that's more because of the big ego and constant, nagging boredom.

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  • Whiniest Man On EarthWhiniest Man On Earth Registered User
    edited November 2006
    I agree, I'd like to see more visible mods in G&T, for all of the reasons already stated. I think it helps to lead by example as well as by enforcement.

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  • NeoflyNeofly Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Mods should rotate.


    And, hopefully, post a lot.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Also, modding Accualt in G&T was a fantastic move.

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  • A duck!A duck! Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited November 2006
    I often guy for a while without posting in SE. It doesn't mean that I "don't understand" them, or that I don't care. It means that maybe I don't have anything to say at that point. Other times something will catch my eye and I'll post a lot. I don't think that necessarily makes me a bad mod, I'd say that's more because of the big ego and constant, nagging boredom.

    I think pretty much all of SE is used to your iron fist by now, so it's fine. Back in the day it was me who was the more visible poster, and I think now you have Knob as the more visible mod.

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  • EchoEcho Moderator mod
    edited November 2006
    Athenor wrote:
    In high-crime neighborhoods, smart police divisions make a point of making themselves visible. They get to know the people, helping them out, becoming friends, helping out in community building elements. Thus, when bad shit actually happens, people trust the cops and go to them for help. Less people get hurt, less bad feelings, and less of an "us vs. them" mentality.

    That's how new mods are recruited, pretty much. Lots of names are suggested, and then they're sifted through and we see if we think "Oh, that's a helpful guy without a history of asshatting" and pin a badge on them.

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Neofly wrote:
    Mods should rotate.


    And, hopefully, post a lot.

    *nods* I have heard it used to be this way.

    At the very least, rotate by sub-forum?

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  • NeoflyNeofly Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Athenor wrote:
    Neofly wrote:
    Mods should rotate.


    And, hopefully, post a lot.

    *nods* I have heard it used to be this way.

    At the very least, rotate by sub-forum?

    Uh, that wouldn't be a lot of change.

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  • A duck!A duck! Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited November 2006
    Athenor wrote:
    Neofly wrote:
    Mods should rotate.


    And, hopefully, post a lot.

    *nods* I have heard it used to be this way.

    At the very least, rotate by sub-forum?

    No, I don't think the mods ever rotated. The Deputies were supposed to, but after that turned out to be a mess the whole thing was scrapped.

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Echo wrote:
    Athenor wrote:
    In high-crime neighborhoods, smart police divisions make a point of making themselves visible. They get to know the people, helping them out, becoming friends, helping out in community building elements. Thus, when bad shit actually happens, people trust the cops and go to them for help. Less people get hurt, less bad feelings, and less of an "us vs. them" mentality.

    That's how new mods are recruited, pretty much. Lots of names are suggested, and then they're sifted through and we see if we think "Oh, that's a helpful guy without a history of asshatting" and pin a badge on them.

    Please tell me you guys consider the person's tendencies towards enforcement and personal take on the rules, right? Mods are diplomats, after all. =/

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  • SlungsolowSlungsolow Registered User, ClubPA
    edited November 2006
    No, mods shouldn't rotate. Especially throughout subforums. The subforums are way too specialized, and the mods are equally specialized. Since the rules are dissimilar the "breaking in" period would be hell for everyone here.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Athenor wrote:
    Neofly wrote:
    Mods should rotate.


    And, hopefully, post a lot.
    *nods* I have heard it used to be this way.

    At the very least, rotate by sub-forum?
    Do you mean have the mods switch up which forums they're modding?

    I will be honest, here, and say that after 1 day of having me as a G&T mod, everyone in G&T would think this is a terrible idea. And it's not because I hate G&T (I don't), it's because G&T is just a much different culture from mine. It'd be like asking me to be in charge of putting together a birthday party in Russia; I wouldn't deliberately do anything awful, but it would probably be a good way to guarantee some pretty big fuckups. Oh, and if you think the enforcement of the rules isn't uniform now, just wait until it's changing with the people who mod the forums, every few weeks.

    Not to mention the fact that I wouldn't even know where to begin modding SE++.

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Slungsolow wrote:
    No, mods shouldn't rotate. Especially throughout subforums. The subforums are way too specialized, and the mods are equally specialized. Since the rules are dissimilar the "breaking in" period would be hell for everyone here.

    *shrugs* then standardize the rules across the entire PA forums.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited November 2006
    Neofly wrote:
    Mods should rotate.

    I disagree. I don't think someone should be arbitrarily removed from a position they're doing well at just so someone else can have a go. There's no real benefit to mod rotation, and the negatives of having to deal with shitty new mods outweigh what positives there are.

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  • SlungsolowSlungsolow Registered User, ClubPA
    edited November 2006
    Athenor wrote:
    Slungsolow wrote:
    No, mods shouldn't rotate. Especially throughout subforums. The subforums are way too specialized, and the mods are equally specialized. Since the rules are dissimilar the "breaking in" period would be hell for everyone here.

    *shrugs* then standardize the rules across the entire PA forums.

    even worse. we don't need on-topic rules in a chat forum. we don't need H/A rules anywhere but in H/A.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Athenor wrote:
    Slungsolow wrote:
    No, mods shouldn't rotate. Especially throughout subforums. The subforums are way too specialized, and the mods are equally specialized. Since the rules are dissimilar the "breaking in" period would be hell for everyone here.
    *shrugs* then standardize the rules across the entire PA forums.
    The whole point of having SE++ and D&D be separate places is that they have different rules.

    If everywhere is going to have the same rules, then why bother with subforums at all?

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  • EpiphyteEpiphyte Registered User
    edited November 2006
    Athenor wrote:
    Slungsolow wrote:
    No, mods shouldn't rotate. Especially throughout subforums. The subforums are way too specialized, and the mods are equally specialized. Since the rules are dissimilar the "breaking in" period would be hell for everyone here.

    *shrugs* then standardize the rules across the entire PA forums.
    Is it even possible to create a standard set of rules that could apply in both SE++ and D&D?

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  • A duck!A duck! Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited November 2006
    Slungsolow wrote:
    Athenor wrote:
    Slungsolow wrote:
    No, mods shouldn't rotate. Especially throughout subforums. The subforums are way too specialized, and the mods are equally specialized. Since the rules are dissimilar the "breaking in" period would be hell for everyone here.

    *shrugs* then standardize the rules across the entire PA forums.

    even worse. we don't need on-topic rules in a chat forum. we don't need H/A rules anywhere but in H/A.

    In theory the way rules work is that each forum is supposed to have base rules (I think G+T was once considered the base on topic) with extra rules added to quell certain activities prevalent in that forum. At this point it I think the D&D rules are probably the most general.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited November 2006
    Athenor wrote:
    Slungsolow wrote:
    No, mods shouldn't rotate. Especially throughout subforums. The subforums are way too specialized, and the mods are equally specialized. Since the rules are dissimilar the "breaking in" period would be hell for everyone here.

    *shrugs* then standardize the rules across the entire PA forums.

    Why? There would be no point. The sub forums are different, for very good reasons. SE rules in G&T would make it a horrible mess, and G&T rules in SE would stifle it. Besides which, most of the important rules ARE standardised already. The most basic rule is don't be a dick.

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