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Policies & Procedures Brainstorming Thread

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    edited December 2006
    Thanatos wrote:
    What are people's opinions on those fucking obnoxious "scare" links? You know, the ones that appear innocuous, but have a ridiculously loud scream in them, with some form of scare image?

    I file those under "shock images".

    Failing that, I fall back to the "Don't be a damn moron" rule.

    Echo on
  • The Far SideThe Far Side __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2006
    Thanatos wrote:
    Lewisham wrote:
    Just what is the rules here about work safety and G&T?
    I'm not sure what the rules are for in-line images, but Apo once said "anything that is not porn can be put behind a NSFW link."
    In this case, "shock images" fall under "porn."

    What are people's opinions on those fucking obnoxious "scare" links? You know, the ones that appear innocuous, but have a ridiculously loud scream in them, with some form of scare image?
    Well, if I was at a school computer lab, and that went off, I'd be pretty pissed, that's for sure

    pretty sure this applies to work as well

    The Far Side on
  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited December 2006
    Lewisham wrote:
    Just what is the rules here about work safety and G&T?
    I'm not sure what the rules are for in-line images, but Apo once said "anything that is not porn can be put behind a NSFW link."

    If he really said that, he's wrong. It's expected that people will exercise some common sense as to what's acceptable on a 13+ forum, regardless of a NSFW link.

    Tube on
  • A duck!A duck! Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited December 2006
    Thanatos wrote:
    Lewisham wrote:
    Just what is the rules here about work safety and G&T?
    I'm not sure what the rules are for in-line images, but Apo once said "anything that is not porn can be put behind a NSFW link."
    In this case, "shock images" fall under "porn."

    What are people's opinions on those fucking obnoxious "scare" links? You know, the ones that appear innocuous, but have a ridiculously loud scream in them, with some form of scare image?

    I don't think I've seen one in a long time, but they are definately NSFW in a way. They don't really deserve to be banned, but I can't think of a rule that doesn't kill them.
    A duck! wrote:
    I think the concept of "don't be a dick" is in every forum
    Do you feel that this rule should apply to mods as well?
    Shut up.

    A duck! on
  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    edited December 2006
    Now, let's talk people with "I EAT DICKS" in big clashing letters in their sigs.

    Echo on
  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    A duck! wrote:
    Thanatos wrote:
    Lewisham wrote:
    Just what is the rules here about work safety and G&T?
    I'm not sure what the rules are for in-line images, but Apo once said "anything that is not porn can be put behind a NSFW link."
    In this case, "shock images" fall under "porn."

    What are people's opinions on those fucking obnoxious "scare" links? You know, the ones that appear innocuous, but have a ridiculously loud scream in them, with some form of scare image?
    I don't think I've seen one in a long time, but they are definately NSFW in a way. They don't really deserve to be banned, but I can't think of a rule that doesn't kill them.
    Vixendetta's sig.

    Thanatos on
  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited December 2006
    Echo wrote:
    Thanatos wrote:
    What are people's opinions on those fucking obnoxious "scare" links? You know, the ones that appear innocuous, but have a ridiculously loud scream in them, with some form of scare image?

    I file those under "shock images".

    Failing that, I fall back to the "Don't be a damn moron" rule.

    Yeah, seriously. There's a catch all against being a fucking tool. You can't do something fucking stupid and then say "but there's no rule!", because there's a rule against doing things that are clearly the work of a dick.

    Tube on
  • The Far SideThe Far Side __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2006
    Echo wrote:
    Now, let's talk people with "I EAT DICKS" in big clashing letters in their sigs.
    Shit, I forgot to remove it up here, I'm sorry. D:

    The Far Side on
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    edited December 2006
    Echo wrote:
    Now, let's talk people with "I EAT DICKS" in big clashing letters in their sigs.

    I adblock all offsite images when at work for this very reason.
    Text is NSFW too if it's in 72 point font readable at 5 meters on a 14" laptop screen.

    Feral on
    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • SixfortyfiveSixfortyfive Registered User
    edited December 2006
    It might be a good idea to remind people about the "Who is Online" link in the rules thread or something. I was looking for a moderator to close a thread or something a month or so ago and just then became aware of its usefulness.

    Sixfortyfive on
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  • LewishamLewisham Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Echo wrote:
    Now, let's talk people with "I EAT DICKS" in big clashing letters in their sigs.

    Yes please, I had to minimize my window pretty quick.

    Yes, I am at work.

    Lewisham on
  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited December 2006
    Echo wrote:
    Now, let's talk people with "I EAT DICKS" in big clashing letters in their sigs.
    Shit, I forgot to remove it up here, I'm sorry. D:
    I think the point is that it's pretty obviously not work safe now is it?

    Tube on
  • SlungsolowSlungsolow Registered User, ClubPA
    edited December 2006
    It might be a good idea to remind people about the "Who is Online" link in the rules thread or something. I was looking for a moderator to close a thread or something a month or so ago and just then became aware of its usefulness.

    I'm sure there would be a better way to deal with "what mod's are online" in the next version of the forums. I'll save my suggestions for the thread mentioned in the first post.

    Slungsolow on
    fuck your forums, fuck your administrator and fuck dynagrip for getting away with the long troll.
  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited December 2006
    A duck! wrote:
    I think the concept of "don't be a dick" is in every forum
    Do you feel that this rule should apply to mods as well?
    If you're going to just snipe endlessly from the sidelines without adding anything, you can, to be blunt, fuck off. There are people who are being constructive in here, and further misbehaviour from you will result in a temp ban. Feel free to post constructively.

    Tube on
  • The Far SideThe Far Side __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2006
    Echo wrote:
    Now, let's talk people with "I EAT DICKS" in big clashing letters in their sigs.
    Shit, I forgot to remove it up here, I'm sorry. D:
    I think the point is that it's pretty obviously not work safe now is it?
    It's just that I went a week with it without a single mod (or any other forumer for that matter)in SE complaining about it, but I'll remove it now, then

    The Far Side on
  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited December 2006
    Echo wrote:
    Now, let's talk people with "I EAT DICKS" in big clashing letters in their sigs.
    Shit, I forgot to remove it up here, I'm sorry. D:
    I think the point is that it's pretty obviously not work safe now is it?
    It's just that I went a week with it without a single mod (or any other forumer for that matter)in SE complaining about it, but I'll remove it now, then
    I thought about it but kind of figured it would be ok. Mea culpa.

    Tube on
  • Garlic BreadGarlic Bread cassie Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    edited December 2006
    My dad walked by like three times when that was on the screen

    He smacked me in the head

    Garlic Bread on
  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    edited December 2006
    Slungsolow wrote:
    I'm sure there would be a better way to deal with "what mod's are online" in the next version of the forums. I'll save my suggestions for the thread mentioned in the first post.

    Much needed, considering that I had to tell someone that the link was there not a week ago. Making a mental note of that for the future forum software.

    Echo on
  • RookRook Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Rook wrote:
    We could do with a little consistency in modding though. We seem to have gone from tempbanning everyone for 3 days for daring to suggest the opening post ought to be decent and spelled properly to this.

    http://www.penny-arcade.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1073838829&highlight=

    I don't get it.

    I don't follow, that thread was made before those policies were enacted.

    No, that thread was way, way after the K incident.
    Echo wrote:
    As the one who locked that thread, let me say that I was veeeery close to jailing the entire thread.

    See, and this is obviously my misunderstanding but, it looks more like you're agreeing with everyone that's derailing the thread and that is essentially what the lock does. Those people that are wanting to discuss .hack are basically boned, especially the new guy who got his thread locked.

    But dicking on new threads from new people is still really common in G&T.

    edit:

    I forgot to add, the other bit of consistency in G&T that's really missing is films of games. For some reason halo film discussion is ok, but others get shifted to D&D.

    Rook on
  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited December 2006
    Rook wrote:
    See, and this is obviously my misunderstanding but, it looks more like you're agreeing with everyone that's derailing the thread and that is essentially what the lock does. Those people that are wanting to discuss .hack are basically boned, especially the new guy who got his thread locked.

    But dicking on new threads from new people is still really common in G&T.

    Not to be a dick, but I agree.

    Tube on
  • The Far SideThe Far Side __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2006
    Keith wrote:
    My dad walked by like three times when that was on the screen

    He smacked me in the head
    There, I fixed it.

    The Far Side on
  • Garlic BreadGarlic Bread cassie Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    edited December 2006
    Keith wrote:
    My dad walked by like three times when that was on the screen

    He smacked me in the head
    There, I fixed it.

    But I might get pregnant!

    Garlic Bread on
  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    edited December 2006
    Rook wrote:
    See, and this is obviously my misunderstanding but, it looks more like you're agreeing with everyone that's derailing the thread and that is essentially what the lock does. Those people that are wanting to discuss .hack are basically boned, especially the new guy who got his thread locked.

    But dicking on new threads from new people is still really common in G&T.

    More than 50% of the lock reason was the OP being a horrible unreadable travesty. Those people that are wanting to discuss .hack are free to start a new one.

    Stuff like this happens all the time. I have to ransack myself and think real hard about what to jail for and not to jail for and shit did I jail for that before and should I jail for it again god damnit.

    Sure, I'm not consistent. But I know it. Ideally I should have posted something about "OP sucks, write a better one and study the rules where we require at least a basic attempt at punctuation" etc instead. Hindsight is 20/20 and so on.

    Echo on
  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2006
    http://www.penny-arcade.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1073840175 Nov. 24
    http://www.penny-arcade.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1073838829&highlight= Nov. 8

    I know you are referencing the thread assasination rule, but the explicit punishment of blanket jailing was not enforced then.

    Munkus Beaver on
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  • Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2006
    Echo wrote:
    Related tangent: Why does "Must post frequently in forum" have to be a requirement to moderate it? Heck, I don't consider myself to be a really frequent poster in G&T.

    I'm more interested in moderating skills than posting skills. The two are entirely separated.
    Mods should lead by example. Be pillars of the community.

    I'd also argue that you cannot govern a group of people you don't understand. And you can't understand people you don't talk to.

    You also need to do this to earn respect among the forumers. The D&D mods are in general well liked and respected in their community because they participate in it.

    I would contend that you cannot understand people that you don't listen to. Small distinction, but significant.

    Just_Bri_Thanks on
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  • CorvusCorvus . VancouverRegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Some random thoughts on various topics.

    Making the mod forum public would be pretty terrible. The mods need somewhere to talk about mod issues in private. I imagine its sort of like a teacher's lounge where they get to blow off steam too.

    Standard Rules: Some rules being standard is a good idea, but not all the rules. We've got different communities and cultures in the subforums, and the rules need to acknowledge that. SE couldn't be SE with D&D rules and vice-versa.

    Spoiler Tags. I'm fine with the rules on these, but theres nothing in the post screen that actually lets new people know how to use them. Ideally, the next vesion of the forum will have a button for them in the post screen. In the meantime, why not update the BBCode explantion page to explain them.

    Corvus on
    :so_raven:
  • MeizMeiz Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Accualt wrote:
    Neofly wrote:
    It would be good if we knew exactly what does Whippy and the mods expect from G&T.

    I expect you guys to play nice together and with new posters. Lets face it most people who are visiting the PA forums for the first time are fans of games. The least intimidatingly named forum is G&T so they will probably head there first (WTF is an SE++? Why is there a Den full of Monkeys?). G&T regulars should consider themselves ambassadors and act accordingly.

    I have a problem with this mainly as it serves as a great screening policy against stupid.

    I'd rather they just leave because they will more then likely have little to bring to a discussion, let alone the entire forum.

    I see enough ass kissing in the 9-5 hours of my day.

    Meiz on
  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited December 2006
    I would contend that you cannot understand people that you don't listen to. Small distinction, but significant.

    I put it to you that listening to someone doesn't make you obliged to agree with them. I've read every post in this thread, and disagreed with many of them, and explained why. The G&T mods are listening to what goes on in the splinter forums, and from what the forumers are saying here, but that does not mean that they're obliged to to agree, or act upon such things. Sometimes we're right, sometimes it turns out that the guys complaining were right, but that's how it works.

    A big problem is that people aren't going to be listened to if they're rude, snipey and unpleasant. If you act like a dick, I don't care what you say any more, and your voice will go unheard. Not you personally, y'know.

    Tube on
  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2006
    Meiz wrote:
    Accualt wrote:
    Neofly wrote:
    It would be good if we knew exactly what does Whippy and the mods expect from G&T.

    I expect you guys to play nice together and with new posters. Lets face it most people who are visiting the PA forums for the first time are fans of games. The least intimidatingly named forum is G&T so they will probably head there first (WTF is an SE++? Why is there a Den full of Monkeys?). G&T regulars should consider themselves ambassadors and act accordingly.

    I have a problem with this mainly as it serves as a great screening policy against stupid.

    I'd rather they just leave because they will more then likely have little to bring to a discussion, let alone the entire forum.

    I see enough ass kissing in the 9-5 hours of my day.

    Yes, but the point is that your elitism is not the meter stick by which we determine if a new user is someone who deserves to post here or not, and the rules are in place to prevent that from ever becoming the case.

    Pheezer on
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  • A duck!A duck! Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited December 2006
    pheezer FD wrote:
    Meiz wrote:
    Accualt wrote:
    Neofly wrote:
    It would be good if we knew exactly what does Whippy and the mods expect from G&T.

    I expect you guys to play nice together and with new posters. Lets face it most people who are visiting the PA forums for the first time are fans of games. The least intimidatingly named forum is G&T so they will probably head there first (WTF is an SE++? Why is there a Den full of Monkeys?). G&T regulars should consider themselves ambassadors and act accordingly.

    I have a problem with this mainly as it serves as a great screening policy against stupid.

    I'd rather they just leave because they will more then likely have little to bring to a discussion, let alone the entire forum.

    I see enough ass kissing in the 9-5 hours of my day.

    Yes, but the point is that your elitism is not the meter stick by which we determine if a new user is someone who deserves to post here or not, and the rules are in place to prevent that from ever becoming the case.

    ....again. I liked it back in M2, but unfortunately those days are never coming back, Meiz.

    A duck! on
  • DeaconKnowledgeDeaconKnowledge Registered User
    edited December 2006
    I think my one complaint would be threads that are generally good natured having two or three bad apples that "spoil the bunch". Instead of dealing with the people derailing the threads individually the entire thread gets locked. I find this stifles conversation and gives way to the "olol what do you drink when u game" braindead poll threads.

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2006
    A duck! wrote:
    pheezer FD wrote:
    Meiz wrote:
    Accualt wrote:
    Neofly wrote:
    It would be good if we knew exactly what does Whippy and the mods expect from G&T.

    I expect you guys to play nice together and with new posters. Lets face it most people who are visiting the PA forums for the first time are fans of games. The least intimidatingly named forum is G&T so they will probably head there first (WTF is an SE++? Why is there a Den full of Monkeys?). G&T regulars should consider themselves ambassadors and act accordingly.

    I have a problem with this mainly as it serves as a great screening policy against stupid.

    I'd rather they just leave because they will more then likely have little to bring to a discussion, let alone the entire forum.

    I see enough ass kissing in the 9-5 hours of my day.

    Yes, but the point is that your elitism is not the meter stick by which we determine if a new user is someone who deserves to post here or not, and the rules are in place to prevent that from ever becoming the case.

    ....again. I liked it back in M2, but unfortunately those days are never coming back, Meiz.

    That had more to do with a lack of alternative measures than anything else. And anyhow, PA is a business now, very unlike the way it was run back then. If it's a choice between reverting to the M2 status-quo and shutting this place down, you can be damned sure Robert will simply pull the plug.

    Pheezer on
    IT'S GOT ME REACHING IN MY POCKET IT'S GOT ME FORKING OVER CASH
    CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
  • TheHanku6TheHanku6 Registered User
    edited December 2006
    You've probably built up an answer to this in anticipation, but why not have mod shifts? 2-3 months you're a mod. Now, everyone won't change at the end of a "shift", just two or three mods, so we don't get a full wave of people who don't know what to do.

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  • Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2006
    I would contend that you cannot understand people that you don't listen to. Small distinction, but significant.

    I put it to you that listening to someone doesn't make you obliged to agree with them. I've read every post in this thread, and disagreed with many of them, and explained why. The G&T mods are listening to what goes on in the splinter forums, and from what the forumers are saying here, but that does not mean that they're obliged to to agree, or act upon such things. Sometimes we're right, sometimes it turns out that the guys complaining were right, but that's how it works.

    A big problem is that people aren't going to be listened to if they're rude, snipey and unpleasant. If you act like a dick, I don't care what you say any more, and your voice will go unheard. Not you personally, y'know.

    I didn't say anything about concurance. I contended that comprehension cannot be obtained with closed ears; or in this case eyes.

    That was way too many words starting with the letter c.

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    edited December 2006
    TheHanku6 wrote:
    You've probably built up an answer to this in anticipation, but why not have mod shifts? 2-3 months you're a mod. Now, everyone won't change at the end of a "shift", just two or three mods, so we don't get a full wave of people who don't know what to do.

    What would that really accomplish in the long run?

    Echo on
  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2006
    I think my one complaint would be threads that are generally good natured having two or three bad apples that "spoil the bunch". Instead of dealing with the people derailing the threads individually the entire thread gets locked. I find this stifles conversation and gives way to the "olol what do you drink when u game" braindead poll threads.

    Well, that's a matter of how things get enforced. When you see that happening, if it's a thread you're convinced has merit, try PMing the person who locked it and ask them to split off the stupid replies and unlock it. Most of the time that's not happening because the moderator would assume that there isn't anyone who really cares about holding a discussion in it, and they don't want to have to do the same thing 15 minutes later when the same crew, or even a different crew dogpiles it into something that needs to be locked again.

    Pheezer on
    IT'S GOT ME REACHING IN MY POCKET IT'S GOT ME FORKING OVER CASH
    CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited December 2006
    Meiz wrote:
    Accualt wrote:
    Neofly wrote:
    It would be good if we knew exactly what does Whippy and the mods expect from G&T.

    I expect you guys to play nice together and with new posters. Lets face it most people who are visiting the PA forums for the first time are fans of games. The least intimidatingly named forum is G&T so they will probably head there first (WTF is an SE++? Why is there a Den full of Monkeys?). G&T regulars should consider themselves ambassadors and act accordingly.

    I have a problem with this mainly as it serves as a great screening policy against stupid.

    I'd rather they just leave because they will more then likely have little to bring to a discussion, let alone the entire forum.

    I see enough ass kissing in the 9-5 hours of my day.

    I know you probably missed this, but I'm going to go ahead and strongly disagree with the concept of G&T as ambassadors. I think it's silly. Sorry accault. Everyone should be clear that he is speaking as accault and not as some kind of official policy.

    Tube on
  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    edited December 2006
    pheezer FD wrote:
    When you see that happening, if it's a thread you're convinced has merit, try PMing the person who locked it and ask them to split off the stupid replies and unlock it.

    Yes, this works. Please do it more often.

    Echo on
  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2006
    I would contend that you cannot understand people that you don't listen to. Small distinction, but significant.

    I put it to you that listening to someone doesn't make you obliged to agree with them. I've read every post in this thread, and disagreed with many of them, and explained why. The G&T mods are listening to what goes on in the splinter forums, and from what the forumers are saying here, but that does not mean that they're obliged to to agree, or act upon such things. Sometimes we're right, sometimes it turns out that the guys complaining were right, but that's how it works.

    A big problem is that people aren't going to be listened to if they're rude, snipey and unpleasant. If you act like a dick, I don't care what you say any more, and your voice will go unheard. Not you personally, y'know.

    I didn't say anything about concurance. I contended that comprehension cannot be obtained with closed ears; or in this case eyes.

    That was way too many words starting with the letter c.

    I think Tube agreed with your point and was expanding upon it.

    t Echo: Well, it'd make sure we don't have anyone particularly experienced around, and since we'd be in situations where we needed to bring in someone new you can guarantee we'd mod a lot of people that never should have been.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited December 2006
    I didn't say anything about concurance. I contended that comprehension cannot be obtained with closed ears; or in this case eyes.

    That was way too many words starting with the letter c.

    I can assure you, though you can obviously choose not to believe me, that for all the faults of the mod staff, they are listening to the forumers.

    Tube on
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