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Pre-Fight Debate: Bracket 7

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    manaleak34manaleak34 Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Scooter wrote:
    Let's see, checking the brackets...assuming he gets past Bizarro, Doc Ock/Ivy are definitly going down to him. Mystique? Electro? not a chance. Modok, Nimrod, Zoom or Abomination might be interesting but he's still got good odds. I think Doom's likely to go all the way.

    Maybe we should skip all the other battles and have the Doom Vs. Lex battle now.

    Cus' thats whats gonna' happen.

    :P

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    CyberJackalCyberJackal Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    A question to ask about the Mystique match is whether there are the typical inhabitants of Baghdad running about as well? I would think if the answer is yes that would in my mind give the edge to Mystique.

    Also, does anyone else think a lot of Spider-Man's rogues would be incredibly powerful if they weren't complete idiots? (Electro, Sandman, etc)

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    robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    If Nimrod can't beat Zoom, I don't see how Doom does. Doom beats Nimrod, but Nimrod has superior defenses and is therefore able to resist Zoom's attacks better than Doom could.

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    MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    A question to ask about the Mystique match is whether there are the typical inhabitants of Baghdad running about as well? I would think if the answer is yes that would in my mind give the edge to Mystique.

    Also, does anyone else think a lot of Spider-Man's rogues would be incredibly powerful if they weren't complete idiots? (Electro, Sandman, etc)

    Yeah, Baghdad with everyone on the streets gives Mystique the edge, but I'm thinking she wouldn't neccesarily need it in this case. Just to make things a little more fair, I kind of imagine the fight taking place in the city under curfew. So there won't be seven million people on the streets. Also, she's been fighting for decades, and this Rag Doll is trying to please his daddy.


    Spider-Man's enemies seem to have Batman syndrome. Super powered dudes + an obsession with the city's hero make for great longstanding rivalries, but weak crime.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2006
    Spider-man's villains tend to be much stronger than Spider-man, but also much dumber. I think it's used put emphasis on how he uses his natural talents to overcome his enemies rather than brute power.

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    The LuggageThe Luggage Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Furu wrote:
    I will totally vote against Doom if he comes up again, like, Ultron or someone.

    But against a foe whose giant glaring weakness is his lack of mental faculties? Doom wins.

    He's not dumb, he's a Savant.

    Anyone who can come up with a way Doom can beat Bizarro and say it with a straight face deserves a fucking medal.

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    deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Furu wrote:
    I will totally vote against Doom if he comes up again, like, Ultron or someone.

    But against a foe whose giant glaring weakness is his lack of mental faculties? Doom wins.

    He's not dumb, he's a Savant.

    Anyone who can come up with a way Doom can beat Bizarro and say it with a straight face deserves a fucking medal.
    Magic

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    Bad KarmaBad Karma Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    manaleak34 wrote:
    Maybe we should skip all the other battles and have the Doom Vs. Lex battle now.

    Cus' thats whats gonna' happen.

    :P

    I'll call it right now. Neither of them would want to actually kill each other. The match will be conducted via a single game of chess. Each move will take minutes..no..days to complete. Months later, the stalemate occurs. Both combatants spend so much time trying to mentally compute their next move, that the very fabric of time and space begins to tear. Worlds will die..none will live!

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    Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Furu wrote:
    I will totally vote against Doom if he comes up again, like, Ultron or someone.

    But against a foe whose giant glaring weakness is his lack of mental faculties? Doom wins.

    He's not dumb, he's a Savant.

    Anyone who can come up with a way Doom can beat Bizarro and say it with a straight face deserves a fucking medal.
    Magic

    Bizarro is magic.

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    Caveman PawsCaveman Paws Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Doom= magic+way smarter than B and can probably talk him into defeating himself.
    Ivy = When was the last time Doc Ock "got some?" Ivy winks, uses her charms on him and he goes down easy.
    Mystique= she morphs into a small one legged child and waits for Ragdoll to wonder by and shoots him the back of the head.
    Electro= he's fighting a guy wearing cleats and carrying lots of metal, Electro could beat him with his eyes closed. Probably will too since he'll die laughing at how geeky Sportsmaster looks. Even compared to Electro.

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    Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    BIZARRO IS MAGIC!

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    deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    When was the last time Doc Ock "got some?"
    Aunt May.

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    Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Furthermore, Doom has almost always been "technology first, second, third and fourth, magic much, much later than even that."

    And to make this a fair fight, Doom would have to have no knowledge of Bizarro's story.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Furthermore, Doom has almost always been "technology first, second, third and fourth, magic much, much later than even that."

    And to make this a fair fight, Doom would have to have no knowledge of Bizarro's story.

    But since Doom is the organizer of this contest, it's kind of hard for him not to know about a participant of it.

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    CircularCircular Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Spectre-x wrote:
    BIZARRO IS MAGIC!

    Does that make him impervious to it? Or does it just react to him strangely, like Wikipedia says blue kryptonite does? Doom would be strong enough to puzzle out the latter.

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    ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Isn't Doom like the second strongest magic user on the planet after Dr. Strange? I mean, he was a serious contender for sorcerer supreme.

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    Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    DarkPrimus wrote:
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Furthermore, Doom has almost always been "technology first, second, third and fourth, magic much, much later than even that."

    And to make this a fair fight, Doom would have to have no knowledge of Bizarro's story.

    But since Doom is the organizer of this contest, it's kind of hard for him not to know about a participant of it.

    Temporary memory wipe, alternate reality, time travel etcetera.

    And while Doom is a proficient magic user, he certainly doesn't prefer it in a fight, and he is really not nearly as powerful as Strange.

    While it's true he was a serious contender for Sorcerer Supreme, most of that was just his suit copying some of Doctor Strange's spells and Doom being largely on the defensive. And Doctor Strange easily turned Doom's Crimson Bands of Cyttorak against him.

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    robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Mystique can't change her mass, can she?

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    Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    That is correct.

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    ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    And while she can add things like wings, or eyes on the back of her head, she still has to keep a humanoid shape.

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    Eliot DuboisEliot Dubois Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Furthermore, Doom has almost always been "technology first, second, third and fourth, magic much, much later than even that."

    And to make this a fair fight, Doom would have to have no knowledge of Bizarro's story.

    Doom once beat Superman with the power of Diplomatic Immunity I think he'll figure out that Bizarro is opposite Superman in about one minute, and win without lifting a fist.

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    SlagmireSlagmire Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Scooter wrote:
    Isn't Doom like the second strongest magic user on the planet after Dr. Strange? I mean, he was a serious contender for sorcerer supreme.

    More specifically, he is next in line for the title.

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    Eliot DuboisEliot Dubois Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Slagmire wrote:
    Scooter wrote:
    Isn't Doom like the second strongest magic user on the planet after Dr. Strange? I mean, he was a serious contender for sorcerer supreme.

    More specifically, he is next in line for the title.

    616 Doom is nigh impossible to kill. He's a well armed genius, with high level magic, a fanatically loyal country guarded by robots, and an army of Doombots. Oh wait, Zoom gets the drop on him, it was just an exploding Doombot.

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    SlagmireSlagmire Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Slagmire wrote:
    Scooter wrote:
    Isn't Doom like the second strongest magic user on the planet after Dr. Strange? I mean, he was a serious contender for sorcerer supreme.

    More specifically, he is next in line for the title.

    616 Doom is nigh impossible to kill. He's a well armed genius, with high level magic, a fanatically loyal country guarded by robots, and an army of Doombots. Oh wait, Zoom gets the drop on him, it was just an exploding Doombot.

    Wouldn't that have to be part of his equipment?

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    The LuggageThe Luggage Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Furthermore, Doom has almost always been "technology first, second, third and fourth, magic much, much later than even that."

    And to make this a fair fight, Doom would have to have no knowledge of Bizarro's story.

    Doom once beat Superman with the power of Diplomatic Immunity I think he'll figure out that Bizarro is opposite Superman in about one minute, and win without lifting a fist.

    Explain how.

    This entire thread has basically been Doom-wankery.

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    Diablo FettDiablo Fett Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Furthermore, Doom has almost always been "technology first, second, third and fourth, magic much, much later than even that."

    And to make this a fair fight, Doom would have to have no knowledge of Bizarro's story.

    Doom once beat Superman with the power of Diplomatic Immunity I think he'll figure out that Bizarro is opposite Superman in about one minute, and win without lifting a fist.

    Explain how.

    This entire thread has basically been Doom-wankery.
    It'll take Doom about a minute to realize that Bizarro ain't so smart and he'll just say "Hey, i'm not your opponent, that guy is." and point in Odin's direction.

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    The LuggageThe Luggage Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Furthermore, Doom has almost always been "technology first, second, third and fourth, magic much, much later than even that."

    And to make this a fair fight, Doom would have to have no knowledge of Bizarro's story.

    Doom once beat Superman with the power of Diplomatic Immunity I think he'll figure out that Bizarro is opposite Superman in about one minute, and win without lifting a fist.

    Explain how.

    This entire thread has basically been Doom-wankery.
    It'll take Doom about a minute to realize that Bizarro ain't so smart and he'll just say "Hey, i'm not your opponent, that guy is." and point in Odin's direction.

    At which point, Bizarro knocks Doom's head off.

    After all, Doom isn't his enemy.

    And I'd like to point out that Bizarro is smart - he's just backwards.

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    Diablo FettDiablo Fett Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Furthermore, Doom has almost always been "technology first, second, third and fourth, magic much, much later than even that."

    And to make this a fair fight, Doom would have to have no knowledge of Bizarro's story.

    Doom once beat Superman with the power of Diplomatic Immunity I think he'll figure out that Bizarro is opposite Superman in about one minute, and win without lifting a fist.

    Explain how.

    This entire thread has basically been Doom-wankery.
    It'll take Doom about a minute to realize that Bizarro ain't so smart and he'll just say "Hey, i'm not your opponent, that guy is." and point in Odin's direction.

    At which point, Bizarro knocks Doom's head off.

    After all, Doom isn't his enemy.

    And I'd like to point out that Bizarro is smart - he's just backwards.
    By that logic, Bizarro knows how powerful he is, but he knows nothing about Doom. Being surrounded by gods equal to his strength level would probably confuse him into thinking one of them is his opponent. Doom still doesn't really have to do anything except say that he is not Doom.

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    The LuggageThe Luggage Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Furthermore, Doom has almost always been "technology first, second, third and fourth, magic much, much later than even that."

    And to make this a fair fight, Doom would have to have no knowledge of Bizarro's story.

    Doom once beat Superman with the power of Diplomatic Immunity I think he'll figure out that Bizarro is opposite Superman in about one minute, and win without lifting a fist.

    Explain how.

    This entire thread has basically been Doom-wankery.
    It'll take Doom about a minute to realize that Bizarro ain't so smart and he'll just say "Hey, i'm not your opponent, that guy is." and point in Odin's direction.

    At which point, Bizarro knocks Doom's head off.

    After all, Doom isn't his enemy.

    And I'd like to point out that Bizarro is smart - he's just backwards.
    By that logic, Bizarro knows how powerful he is, but he knows nothing about Doom. Being surrounded by gods equal to his strength level would probably confuse him into thinking one of them is his opponent. Doom still doesn't really have to do anything except say that he is not Doom.

    So Bizarro would then know he was Doom, and give his friend a big 'ol bearhug.

    Have you people even heard of Bizarro Logic?

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    bobgorilabobgorila Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Seriously, Bizarro's too funny not to win.

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    CorvusCorvus . VancouverRegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Doom is running this show. I don't see how it wouldn't be rigged to make it impossible for him to loose. :wink:

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    HenslerHensler Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    After Bizarro's horrible showing in Action Comics this month, I can't vote for him.

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    Bad KarmaBad Karma Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Hensler wrote:
    After Bizarro's horrible showing in Action Comics this month, I can't vote for him.

    Horrible? It was fucking great. He snapped a small childs arm in two for christ sakes, which promptly made me giggle. Granted, that has no real bearing on the contest, seeing as nobody else would vote against Doom, because let's face it, he's the Villain Tournaments Deadpool.

    Brava I say..brava.

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    Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Okay, sorcery.

    Bizarro is not harmed by blue kryptonite. It's actually good for him, only he fears it.

    As opposed to green kryptonite, which is bad for Superman.

    Superman is also vulnerable to magic.

    By that logic, Bizarro must be invulnerable to magic.

    Therefore, Doom should lose.

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    ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2006
    but by that logic, he should be vulnerable to bullets, so doom could just shoot him

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    Bad KarmaBad Karma Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Servo wrote:
    but by that logic, he should be vulnerable to bullets, so doom could just shoot him

    Strreeettch.

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    SlagmireSlagmire Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Okay, sorcery.

    Bizarro is not harmed by blue kryptonite. It's actually good for him, only he fears it.

    As opposed to green kryptonite, which is bad for Superman.

    Superman is also vulnerable to magic.

    By that logic, Bizarro must be invulnerable to magic.

    Therefore, Doom should lose.

    Just one problem... he's a fucking mongoloid idiot. Doom won't have to fight him, just outsmart him someway.

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    FuruFuru Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    But if Bizarro wins, he loses.

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    bobgorilabobgorila Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    I don't buy it.

    By this logic Bizarro should be vulnerable to magic, but magic that would harm superman would be good for Bizarro and vice-versa.

    So, doom would need to cast a "cure cancer spell" or someshit.

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    ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Unless someone's got an example of him being immune to magic, I'm assuming it hurts him. Otherwise you are just following the "anything that hurts Supes helps Bizarro and vice versa", which would mean bullets should kill him.

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