Is hasten required/highly recommended for pretty much every setup? I just realized I don't have it on my DM/WP brute after greatly enjoying having it on my ar/en blaster.
I wouldn't say it's "required" on any build unless you're /Stone or a Dominator reaching for perma-dom.
But pretty much everyone benefits from Hasten, so it's one of those powers that if you have at least 1 free power in your build, you might as well take it.
I don't have the same "gripe" with Controllers because (save Fire control, and maybe Illusion), they don't have the damage output of Defenders on teams. They have far more damage mitigation, of course, but Defenders still contribute more damage from their secondaries. This is especially true on large teams, where Defenders can leverage the AoEs in their secondaries.
Of course this was followed by Starsman correcting the guy, but Jesus, how do people say things like this and not get stricken dead on the spot?
Good-aligned Corruptors are basically the death sentence of ever playing a Defender.
They're like what a Defender should be, but superior in every way!
I may be wrong but I've heard that a Rad/Sonic defender will on a AV fight actually do more damage then a Sonic/Rad Corruptor due to lowering it's resists more, that's about 1% of normal gameplay though.
So I would just like to point out that the picture of Maelstrom on the Going Rogue site is quite clearly Nathan Fillon. It becomes clearer every time I look.
So bored out here in Baghdad I am thinking of seeing if CoX is any still any fun. Should I buy AE and start a new account or try and find my old stuff and reactivate. Can a person get a referal credit either way?
So bored out here in Baghdad I am thinking of seeing if CoX is any still any fun. Should I buy AE and start a new account or try and find my old stuff and reactivate. Can a person get a referal credit either way?
I'm pretty sure they can. They just need a person, such as me, to give them one.
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So bored out here in Baghdad I am thinking of seeing if CoX is any still any fun. Should I buy AE and start a new account or try and find my old stuff and reactivate. Can a person get a referal credit either way?
you should buy AE and use the code to reactivate your old account ;o
Good-aligned Corruptors are basically the death sentence of ever playing a Defender.
They're like what a Defender should be, but superior in every way!
I may be wrong but I've heard that a Rad/Sonic defender will on a AV fight actually do more damage then a Sonic/Rad Corruptor due to lowering it's resists more, that's about 1% of normal gameplay though.
Sonic Blast is basically the only way to not have crap damage as a Defender. My Storm/Sonic def doesn't feel anywhere near as bad as other defenders I've played.
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Okay, I'm not fucking liking that this game is fighting me every goddamn step of the way in trying to do things relatively right.
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does finding out that brutes are optimally slotted differently than you assumed really count as "fighting you"? chillax, brah
So me and a friend were talking about something the other day. When Going Rogue comes out, and all the ATs start coming over to either side, what would be the driving factor to take a Tanker over a Brute when really a Brute is just a better designed tanker? (those are more his words then mine to be honest)
Like, from what I'm understanding, Brutes tank as well as a Tanker (in most cases, since they share most of there power sets) but are much better at dealing damage (which is always useful) then a tanker. Which kind of leaves Tanks out in the cold.
At some point it doesn't matter all that much, though. I did a LRSF a while ago with an invuln brute as the "main" tank, and it went fine. He was IOed up and all, but then who isn't these days. The buffs he was getting from the team made him more than capable of doing it.
edit: no one's ever going to be left out in the cold; there will always be demand for a dude who can take an alpha strike for an otherwise decent team, whether that dude is a tank or a brute or a scrapper. In terms of highend team utility, brutes more than make up in damage what they give up in mitigation. If anyone's going to be left out in the cold it's defenders, but they're basically out there already.
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At some point it doesn't matter all that much, though. I did a LRSF a while ago with an invuln brute as the "main" tank, and it went fine. He was IOed up and all, but then who isn't these days. The buffs he was getting from the team made him more than capable of doing it.
edit: no one's ever going to be left out in the cold; there will always be demand for a dude who can take an alpha strike for an otherwise decent team, whether that dude is a tank or a brute or a scrapper. In terms of highend team utility, brutes more than make up in damage what they give up in mitigation. If anyone's going to be left out in the cold it's defenders, but they're basically out there already.
At some point it doesn't matter all that much, though. I did a LRSF a while ago with an invuln brute as the "main" tank, and it went fine. He was IOed up and all, but then who isn't these days. The buffs he was getting from the team made him more than capable of doing it.
edit: no one's ever going to be left out in the cold; there will always be demand for a dude who can take an alpha strike for an otherwise decent team, whether that dude is a tank or a brute or a scrapper. In terms of highend team utility, brutes more than make up in damage what they give up in mitigation. If anyone's going to be left out in the cold it's defenders, but they're basically out there already.
CoX has a situation I don't think I've ever seen in videogames, where some players seem so masochistically determined to love a powerset that rather than complain about it being bad, or pretend it isn't horribly bad, they embrace its flaws as somehow redeeming.
I mean there are powersets in this game that basically should have [deprecated] tags around them (grav, FF, looking at you), but I bet there is a whole group of people posting on the coh boards who are trying to convince everyone that grav/ff is an awesome controller and they soloed with it just fine from 1-50.
Which I could maybe accept as part of some weird gambit to convince the devs to give the sets some buffs, only every time everyone suggests one they hate on that, too.
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hold your head high soldier, it ain't over yet
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
You should have seen the Kheldian forums when people started playing VEATs. It was an entire forum of people rocking back in forth in their chairs trying to convince themselves that they like eating broken glass.
Well to be fair, FF is a great set. It just does literally zero damage. Something not being soloable doesn't make it bad. I agree with your general point that a lot of sets in the game (cool sets too!) bite ass.
Well to be fair, FF is a great set. It just does literally zero damage. Something not being soloable doesn't make it bad. I agree with your general point that a lot of sets in the game (cool sets too!) bite ass.
No, FF really isn't a good set. It has 4 good powers (the bubbles, Dipersion and PFF) and that's about it. Repulsion Bomb is decent and the rest are either situational or completely awful. If you compare this to Ice, which also grants defense, you do lose out on the mez protection in Dispersion and PFF (whoopty doo), but in their place you have a set with 7 good powers and 2 that are still pretty decent. Or you can compare it to Sonic, which beats the shit out of FF so hard I have no idea why FF wasn't taken out into a field and put down.
MMs, I believe, were designed to be a kind of tank, with their minions absorbing damage through sheer numbers and such.
It... didn't quite work out that way in practice.
It works fine in practice, you just have to mind the AoEs and know how Bodyguard works.
My bots/dark seems to teeter wildly between invincibility and complete defeat. Most of the time it's the invincibility, but when it goes bad it goes bad quick.
On the other hand, maybe FF would make it a lot more stable, if slower.
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The only thing preventing MMs from being real tanks is the fact that when they're exposed to AoE damage they take up to 7 times as much as other ATs. If they're facing pure ST damage they can last a loooong time.
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I wouldn't say it's "required" on any build unless you're /Stone or a Dominator reaching for perma-dom.
But pretty much everyone benefits from Hasten, so it's one of those powers that if you have at least 1 free power in your build, you might as well take it.
Of course this was followed by Starsman correcting the guy, but Jesus, how do people say things like this and not get stricken dead on the spot?
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
They're like what a Defender should be, but superior in every way!
I may be wrong but I've heard that a Rad/Sonic defender will on a AV fight actually do more damage then a Sonic/Rad Corruptor due to lowering it's resists more, that's about 1% of normal gameplay though.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Next you will be telling me you think Bruce Wayne is Batman based only on their square jaws.
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I'm pretty sure they can. They just need a person, such as me, to give them one.
you should buy AE and use the code to reactivate your old account ;o
Sonic Blast is basically the only way to not have crap damage as a Defender. My Storm/Sonic def doesn't feel anywhere near as bad as other defenders I've played.
Like, from what I'm understanding, Brutes tank as well as a Tanker (in most cases, since they share most of there power sets) but are much better at dealing damage (which is always useful) then a tanker. Which kind of leaves Tanks out in the cold.
I don't mean I like tankers better or anything. But they can get much better defences (and sooner, because it's their primary) than brutes.
This, a Stone brute is the only thing that comes close to a tank. In fact I'm sure villains would love having a real tank for some of the TFs.
edit: no one's ever going to be left out in the cold; there will always be demand for a dude who can take an alpha strike for an otherwise decent team, whether that dude is a tank or a brute or a scrapper. In terms of highend team utility, brutes more than make up in damage what they give up in mitigation. If anyone's going to be left out in the cold it's defenders, but they're basically out there already.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
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I mean there are powersets in this game that basically should have [deprecated] tags around them (grav, FF, looking at you), but I bet there is a whole group of people posting on the coh boards who are trying to convince everyone that grav/ff is an awesome controller and they soloed with it just fine from 1-50.
Which I could maybe accept as part of some weird gambit to convince the devs to give the sets some buffs, only every time everyone suggests one they hate on that, too.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
No, FF really isn't a good set. It has 4 good powers (the bubbles, Dipersion and PFF) and that's about it. Repulsion Bomb is decent and the rest are either situational or completely awful. If you compare this to Ice, which also grants defense, you do lose out on the mez protection in Dispersion and PFF (whoopty doo), but in their place you have a set with 7 good powers and 2 that are still pretty decent. Or you can compare it to Sonic, which beats the shit out of FF so hard I have no idea why FF wasn't taken out into a field and put down.
I guarantee if you could change that to a Bots/Sonic you'd rule about 20 times harder.
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It... didn't quite work out that way in practice.
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On the other hand, maybe FF would make it a lot more stable, if slower.
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