I get your top point, but not your second paragraph.
Yeah - that's what I was saying, although Ive never seen a gamestop that has just gutted one game - the last copy - but that's what I was saying.
And I don't understand how you'd need 2 games for every 1 on the shelf? Every game has a case. You gut all the games, you now have 50 empty cases, and 50 games. Yes, you can fit the games nicely under the register, where you could never fit the cases -- but where are those cases? In the back? Why not just leave the games, sealed in the cases, and keep them secure in the back, if theft is your main concern?
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As for case space: You're taking about have two cases for every game on the shelf. Case + Another Case takes up more space than Case + CD Envelope. A second case takes up 4 to 5 times more drawer space than an envelope.
They've got stock rooms, cabinets, etc. With some ingenuity, they could come up with a better layout to facilitate the space necessary to properly store sealed games while stocking shelves with shell cases.
The fact is, it costs money, and GS is cheap. Why bother when the bulk of your income comes from used games anyways?
But the GameStop that's been in our town for about a year, Jesus Christ. It's like they actively picked the worst location in town to attract any people who aren't specifically going to GameStop. I still don't get what the hell they were thinking.
Well, once the store is already there, it'll stay so long as it is in the black (the reason why there is a starbucks on every corner)
There's a mall near me where the ONLY stores in there still are a gamestop, and a bootleg stand right outside fo it
I get your top point, but not your second paragraph.
Yeah - that's what I was saying, although Ive never seen a gamestop that has just gutted one game - the last copy - but that's what I was saying.
And I don't understand how you'd need 2 games for every 1 on the shelf? Every game has a case. You gut all the games, you now have 50 empty cases, and 50 games. Yes, you can fit the games nicely under the register, where you could never fit the cases -- but where are those cases? In the back? Why not just leave the games, sealed in the cases, and keep them secure in the back, if theft is your main concern?
THOSE CASES ARE ON THE SHELVES OUT FRONT, FOR CUSTOMERS TO PERUSE.
I get your top point, but not your second paragraph.
Yeah - that's what I was saying, although Ive never seen a gamestop that has just gutted one game - the last copy - but that's what I was saying.
And I don't understand how you'd need 2 games for every 1 on the shelf? Every game has a case. You gut all the games, you now have 50 empty cases, and 50 games. Yes, you can fit the games nicely under the register, where you could never fit the cases -- but where are those cases? In the back? Why not just leave the games, sealed in the cases, and keep them secure in the back, if theft is your main concern?
THOSE CASES ARE ON THE SHELVES OUT FRONT, FOR CUSTOMERS TO PERUSE.
Yes, customers, putting their grimy hands all over your new case and possibly your manual. Have fun with your "new" game!
I get your top point, but not your second paragraph.
Yeah - that's what I was saying, although Ive never seen a gamestop that has just gutted one game - the last copy - but that's what I was saying.
And I don't understand how you'd need 2 games for every 1 on the shelf? Every game has a case. You gut all the games, you now have 50 empty cases, and 50 games. Yes, you can fit the games nicely under the register, where you could never fit the cases -- but where are those cases? In the back? Why not just leave the games, sealed in the cases, and keep them secure in the back, if theft is your main concern?
THOSE CASES ARE ON THE SHELVES OUT FRONT, FOR CUSTOMERS TO PERUSE.
Yes, customers, putting their grimy hands all over your new case and possibly your manual. Have fun with your "new" game!
I understand - but what Im saying is it makes NO SENSE AT ALL to say
OUR SOLUTION TO HAVING A SMALL STORE IS TO CREATE MORE THINGS THAT TAKE UP SPACE.
what would you do?
They can't leave the discs in the cases that are on the wall, because then people would just steal them.
Other than that being a bullshit excuse, because no other stores gut games yet they still somehow manage to survive legions of thieves, the could easily just gut ONE copy, saving them a ton of shelf space (because you really wouldn't need multiple copies of any game), and keep the rest of the games in the back and the best sellers right under the register.
I mean overall I don't shop there because of this very reason, I just can't see any defense for what they do, that's all.
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I understand - but what Im saying is it makes NO SENSE AT ALL to say
OUR SOLUTION TO HAVING A SMALL STORE IS TO CREATE MORE THINGS THAT TAKE UP SPACE.
what would you do?
They can't leave the discs in the cases that are on the wall, because then people would just steal them.
Other than that being a bullshit excuse, because no other stores gut games yet they still somehow manage to survive legions of thieves, the could easily just gut ONE copy, saving them a ton of shelf space (because you really wouldn't need multiple copies of any game), and keep the rest of the games in the back and the best sellers right under the register.
I mean overall I don't shop there because of this very reason, I just can't see any defense for what they do, that's all.
Most other stores have games behind glass doors, and sealed in some wierd ass plastic handcuff-like mechanism.
I understand - but what Im saying is it makes NO SENSE AT ALL to say
OUR SOLUTION TO HAVING A SMALL STORE IS TO CREATE MORE THINGS THAT TAKE UP SPACE.
what would you do?
They can't leave the discs in the cases that are on the wall, because then people would just steal them.
Other than that being a bullshit excuse, because no other stores gut games yet they still somehow manage to survive legions of thieves, the could easily just gut ONE copy, saving them a ton of shelf space (because you really wouldn't need multiple copies of any game), and keep the rest of the games in the back and the best sellers right under the register.
I mean overall I don't shop there because of this very reason, I just can't see any defense for what they do, that's all.
They DO only gut one or two copies of each new game.
The claims of stores gutting EVERY new game are either false, or talking about stores who are the exception, not the rule.
Also, keeping games in the back doesn't work when some stores LITERALLY only have a closet back there, and that is already FILLED with the video game systems.
edit: other stores have expensive security systems. If this was a more profitable route for Gamestop to take, I assure you that they already would have. If there is one thing that gamestop is good at, it is being profitable.
I think they're profitable because they give you $2 for your game and sell it for $20, regularly.
Again - more power to them if they can do it and people will allow it! But I'd be willing to bet that's the largest reason why they're profitable.
Also, I have never gotten a sealed game from a GameStop, ever. I guess i'm just that unlucky.
And just to show my bias, nothing made me as angry as the time that I bought RE:Umbrella Chronicles there and was going to buy used, for $44. I saw NEW was $50 and figured what the hell, for $6 more I'll actually make sure Capcom got the money. I forgot they gut games, and was confused when they just filled the display case. I asked and he reminded me about the gutting. Oh well, whatever.
I got home and the instruction manual wouldn't open. Giant coffee stain on the back, which was allowed to dry sticking the vast majority of pages together. I went back, and said they gave me a used game, when I bought it new, showed my reciept, and they told me they couldn't do anything because I had opened the game. I didn't know what to say so I left and haven't gone back.
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They DO only gut one or two copies of each new game.
The claims of stores gutting EVERY new game are either false, or talking about stores who are the exception, not the rule.
Well I'm 5 for 5 on seeing every game in the store gutted then, aside from getting to the store when a new product has also arrived (and in the process of being so). It's great that policy says this that or the other, but practice is what matters. And lack of punishment on practice tells me it's sanctioned.
They DO only gut one or two copies of each new game.
The claims of stores gutting EVERY new game are either false, or talking about stores who are the exception, not the rule.
Well I'm 5 for 5 on seeing every game in the store gutted then, aside from getting to the store when a new product has also arrived (and in the process of being so). It's great that policy says this that or the other, but practice is what matters. And lack of punishment on practice tells me it's sanctioned.
5 for 5 at the same store, or different ones, and if it's different ones, were they in the same area (under the same district manager)?
and a lack of punishment doesn't mean it's sanctioned, it means that they haven't been caught yet.
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HenroidMexican kicked from Immigration ThreadCentrism is Racism :3Registered Userregular
They DO only gut one or two copies of each new game.
The claims of stores gutting EVERY new game are either false, or talking about stores who are the exception, not the rule.
Well I'm 5 for 5 on seeing every game in the store gutted then, aside from getting to the store when a new product has also arrived (and in the process of being so). It's great that policy says this that or the other, but practice is what matters. And lack of punishment on practice tells me it's sanctioned.
5 for 5 at the same store, or different ones, and if it's different ones, were they in the same area (under the same district manager)?
and a lack of punishment doesn't mean it's sanctioned, it means that they haven't been caught yet.
Five for five across two states. Over here in Texas, they're within the same town so I can give you that. In California though, it was spread out around the Bay. Ridiculous.
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I think they're profitable because they give you $2 for your game and sell it for $20, regularly.
Again - more power to them if they can do it and people will allow it! But I'd be willing to bet that's the largest reason why they're profitable.
Also, I have never gotten a sealed game from a GameStop, ever. I guess i'm just that unlucky.
And just to show my bias, nothing made me as angry as the time that I bought RE:Umbrella Chronicles there and was going to buy used, for $44. I saw NEW was $50 and figured what the hell, for $6 more I'll actually make sure Capcom got the money. I forgot they gut games, and was confused when they just filled the display case. I asked and he reminded me about the gutting. Oh well, whatever.
I got home and the instruction manual wouldn't open. Giant coffee stain on the back, which was allowed to dry sticking the vast majority of pages together. I went back, and said they gave me a used game, when I bought it new, showed my reciept, and they told me they couldn't do anything because I had opened the game. I didn't know what to say so I left and haven't gone back.
That is a horrible horrible story. I wouldn't have just left. Thats a situation where I would just start asking for the next highest person up.
Oh, you're store manager isn't here today? Well call him up. Oh, you can't do anything either? Then give me your district manager's phone number.
Eventually someone is going to get pissed off that they are being called about something so trivial, and they aren't going to take it out on you.
They DO only gut one or two copies of each new game.
The claims of stores gutting EVERY new game are either false, or talking about stores who are the exception, not the rule.
Well I'm 5 for 5 on seeing every game in the store gutted then, aside from getting to the store when a new product has also arrived (and in the process of being so). It's great that policy says this that or the other, but practice is what matters. And lack of punishment on practice tells me it's sanctioned.
5 for 5 at the same store, or different ones, and if it's different ones, were they in the same area (under the same district manager)?
and a lack of punishment doesn't mean it's sanctioned, it means that they haven't been caught yet.
Five for five across two states. Over here in Texas, they're within the same town so I can give you that. In California though, it was spread out around the Bay. Ridiculous.
Sounds like two different DMs who are doing things wrong.
The thing is that there is technically no policy AGAINST gutting extra copies, it is just not a good idea, because while there are enough customers who don't care about gutting for it to not be an issue on the large scale, there are still plenty of customers who want sealed copies.
I imagine that those stores are paying for their bad decisions by doing less business than they could be.
I got home and the instruction manual wouldn't open. Giant coffee stain on the back, which was allowed to dry sticking the vast majority of pages together. I went back, and said they gave me a used game, when I bought it new, showed my reciept, and they told me they couldn't do anything because I had opened the game. I didn't know what to say so I left and haven't gone back.
The return policy states that opened new games can be returned for a copy of the same game (the policy does not technically even require the item to be defective) so you DID have recourse if you wanted to push them.
I understand that you weren't aware of this, but it IS printed on the bottom of the receipt.
edit: and like Kor said, if they gave you a hard time, they would have gotten themselves in trouble when the issue reached a higher level.
The times where I thought that he had seriously wronged someone because of something our company had us do, I handed my District Manager's phone number out like candy. You should call on stuff like that because that is some bullshit.
The times where I thought that he had seriously wronged someone because of something our company had us do, I handed my District Manager's phone number out like candy. You should call on stuff like that because that is some bullshit.
And corporate actually cares about complaints.
I've seen folks written up and fired because of two many customer complaints to the hotline.
Where has Evander been in the last few months anyway? He always stood up for GS
I don't stand up for them so much as shoot down the obviously wrong attacks ("used games are hurting the industry", etc.)
I agree that the practice of checking out brand new copies of games to employees is a bit sketchy. However, because these copies never leave store inventory, they are also technically still new.
Anyone who is bothered by this ought to insist on a sealed copy of a game (and if none are available, just consider the store to be sold out, and go shop elsewhere.)
Wrong. Never spun = new. Factory conditions = new. "Not leaving the store inventory" has absolutely zero (yes, absolutely zero) to do with "new" by any stretch of the word's definition.
And it's not about "being bothered" or "not being bothered" about this, it is about the outright illegal practice of falsely advertising and selling not-new objects as new.
Let me ask you this: If a shipment comes in and a salesperson/stock person accidentally crack a brand new game in half, or the CD somehow gets scratched, would you still call that "new," Evander? It never left store inventory.
Just so you know, the rest of the world doesn't consider such things "new," either.
Yes, Drez, it WOULD still be new. It would ALSO be defective. New is not a mutually exclusive term.
And let me just direct you to cars and books again, which are NEVER sold in factory conditions (unless you pay extra)....
Nope.
But thanks for proving, again, that you have no idea what "new" means insofar as the entire retail/consumer market world is concerned.
For the record, I worked at Gamestop many moons ago. And a few other retail chains, some of which had nothing to do with software. A damaged product, even fresh from the shipment, is never considered "new" in retail. Period.
Where has Evander been in the last few months anyway? He always stood up for GS
I don't stand up for them so much as shoot down the obviously wrong attacks ("used games are hurting the industry", etc.)
I agree that the practice of checking out brand new copies of games to employees is a bit sketchy. However, because these copies never leave store inventory, they are also technically still new.
Anyone who is bothered by this ought to insist on a sealed copy of a game (and if none are available, just consider the store to be sold out, and go shop elsewhere.)
Wrong. Never spun = new. Factory conditions = new. "Not leaving the store inventory" has absolutely zero (yes, absolutely zero) to do with "new" by any stretch of the word's definition.
And it's not about "being bothered" or "not being bothered" about this, it is about the outright illegal practice of falsely advertising and selling not-new objects as new.
Let me ask you this: If a shipment comes in and a salesperson/stock person accidentally crack a brand new game in half, or the CD somehow gets scratched, would you still call that "new," Evander? It never left store inventory.
Just so you know, the rest of the world doesn't consider such things "new," either.
Yes, Drez, it WOULD still be new. It would ALSO be defective. New is not a mutually exclusive term.
And let me just direct you to cars and books again, which are NEVER sold in factory conditions (unless you pay extra)....
Nope.
But thanks for proving, again, that you have no idea what "new" means insofar as the entire retail/consumer market world is concerned.
Where has Evander been in the last few months anyway? He always stood up for GS
I don't stand up for them so much as shoot down the obviously wrong attacks ("used games are hurting the industry", etc.)
I agree that the practice of checking out brand new copies of games to employees is a bit sketchy. However, because these copies never leave store inventory, they are also technically still new.
Anyone who is bothered by this ought to insist on a sealed copy of a game (and if none are available, just consider the store to be sold out, and go shop elsewhere.)
Wrong. Never spun = new. Factory conditions = new. "Not leaving the store inventory" has absolutely zero (yes, absolutely zero) to do with "new" by any stretch of the word's definition.
And it's not about "being bothered" or "not being bothered" about this, it is about the outright illegal practice of falsely advertising and selling not-new objects as new.
Let me ask you this: If a shipment comes in and a salesperson/stock person accidentally crack a brand new game in half, or the CD somehow gets scratched, would you still call that "new," Evander? It never left store inventory.
Just so you know, the rest of the world doesn't consider such things "new," either.
Yes, Drez, it WOULD still be new. It would ALSO be defective. New is not a mutually exclusive term.
And let me just direct you to cars and books again, which are NEVER sold in factory conditions (unless you pay extra)....
Nope.
But thanks for proving, again, that you have no idea what "new" means insofar as the entire retail/consumer market world is concerned.
new shoes
new pants
new car
new book
Should I go on?
Don't bother. You are factually wrong on this topic. Your arguments simply communicate your own ignorance, because there is no valid argument here.
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There are understood exceptions to things Evander. Trying on clothes before buying is understandable with them still being new.
Where has Evander been in the last few months anyway? He always stood up for GS
I don't stand up for them so much as shoot down the obviously wrong attacks ("used games are hurting the industry", etc.)
I agree that the practice of checking out brand new copies of games to employees is a bit sketchy. However, because these copies never leave store inventory, they are also technically still new.
Anyone who is bothered by this ought to insist on a sealed copy of a game (and if none are available, just consider the store to be sold out, and go shop elsewhere.)
Wrong. Never spun = new. Factory conditions = new. "Not leaving the store inventory" has absolutely zero (yes, absolutely zero) to do with "new" by any stretch of the word's definition.
And it's not about "being bothered" or "not being bothered" about this, it is about the outright illegal practice of falsely advertising and selling not-new objects as new.
Let me ask you this: If a shipment comes in and a salesperson/stock person accidentally crack a brand new game in half, or the CD somehow gets scratched, would you still call that "new," Evander? It never left store inventory.
Just so you know, the rest of the world doesn't consider such things "new," either.
Yes, Drez, it WOULD still be new. It would ALSO be defective. New is not a mutually exclusive term.
And let me just direct you to cars and books again, which are NEVER sold in factory conditions (unless you pay extra)....
Nope.
But thanks for proving, again, that you have no idea what "new" means insofar as the entire retail/consumer market world is concerned.
new shoes
new pants
new car
new book
Should I go on?
So that would include:
stained shoes
ripped pants
broken car
torn book
if nobody had owned it before, huh?
Your examples kinda work up until that scratched point, but they totally fall apart there.
Where has Evander been in the last few months anyway? He always stood up for GS
I don't stand up for them so much as shoot down the obviously wrong attacks ("used games are hurting the industry", etc.)
I agree that the practice of checking out brand new copies of games to employees is a bit sketchy. However, because these copies never leave store inventory, they are also technically still new.
Anyone who is bothered by this ought to insist on a sealed copy of a game (and if none are available, just consider the store to be sold out, and go shop elsewhere.)
Wrong. Never spun = new. Factory conditions = new. "Not leaving the store inventory" has absolutely zero (yes, absolutely zero) to do with "new" by any stretch of the word's definition.
And it's not about "being bothered" or "not being bothered" about this, it is about the outright illegal practice of falsely advertising and selling not-new objects as new.
Let me ask you this: If a shipment comes in and a salesperson/stock person accidentally crack a brand new game in half, or the CD somehow gets scratched, would you still call that "new," Evander? It never left store inventory.
Just so you know, the rest of the world doesn't consider such things "new," either.
Yes, Drez, it WOULD still be new. It would ALSO be defective. New is not a mutually exclusive term.
And let me just direct you to cars and books again, which are NEVER sold in factory conditions (unless you pay extra)....
Nope.
But thanks for proving, again, that you have no idea what "new" means insofar as the entire retail/consumer market world is concerned.
new shoes
new pants
new car
new book
Should I go on?
So that would include:
stained shoes
ripped pants
broken car
torn book
if nobody had owned it before, huh?
I HAVE seen that on the shelf in some stores, you know.
This whole "debate" comes down to a very simple point: Evander either doesn't comprehend or isn't willing to accept what "new" actually means insofar as optical media/software is concerned.
The world, however, doesn't care what Evander is willing to comprehend or accept. "New," as it relates to this particular product type, is what it is regardless of what Evander thinks.
I've seen this same circular drivel here for the last three or more years and Evander has not changed his wholly incorrect stance on "new," so really, don't bother, folks.
I think books may make for the best comparison here, because they sit out on the self, and all kinds of people thumb through them all day. When you go to buy a book, you generally pick through for the freshest looking copy, and if there aren't any fresh looking ones, then you decide if it's worth it to get it in the condition it's in.
Sometimes you end up buying a book that three different people have thumbed through while drinking their coffee. It is STILL technically a new book, and sold as such.
If you buy a new gutted game that didn't work, isn't there something in there policy about just giving you a another copy of the game?
I also always try to check the game case after leaving Gamestop to make sure the game is there if I didn't see them put it in, though that is mostly because I know humans can make mistakes.
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HenroidMexican kicked from Immigration ThreadCentrism is Racism :3Registered Userregular
Where has Evander been in the last few months anyway? He always stood up for GS
I don't stand up for them so much as shoot down the obviously wrong attacks ("used games are hurting the industry", etc.)
I agree that the practice of checking out brand new copies of games to employees is a bit sketchy. However, because these copies never leave store inventory, they are also technically still new.
Anyone who is bothered by this ought to insist on a sealed copy of a game (and if none are available, just consider the store to be sold out, and go shop elsewhere.)
Wrong. Never spun = new. Factory conditions = new. "Not leaving the store inventory" has absolutely zero (yes, absolutely zero) to do with "new" by any stretch of the word's definition.
And it's not about "being bothered" or "not being bothered" about this, it is about the outright illegal practice of falsely advertising and selling not-new objects as new.
Let me ask you this: If a shipment comes in and a salesperson/stock person accidentally crack a brand new game in half, or the CD somehow gets scratched, would you still call that "new," Evander? It never left store inventory.
Just so you know, the rest of the world doesn't consider such things "new," either.
Yes, Drez, it WOULD still be new. It would ALSO be defective. New is not a mutually exclusive term.
And let me just direct you to cars and books again, which are NEVER sold in factory conditions (unless you pay extra)....
Nope.
But thanks for proving, again, that you have no idea what "new" means insofar as the entire retail/consumer market world is concerned.
new shoes
new pants
new car
new book
Should I go on?
So that would include:
stained shoes
ripped pants
broken car
torn book
if nobody had owned it before, huh?
Your examples kinda work up until that scratched point, but they totally fall apart there.
Damaged goods are not new, we've established this, but gutted games aren't damaged goods. Look, there are many definitions for the word "new." GameStop uses one acceptable definition, you use another. It is not new by your personal standards, but they are considered new by at least one definition of the word itself and they are obviously considered new by GameStops standards. You don't agree, that's fine, that's great, by your definition it is not a new item. But to GameStop and many of their customers those games are still new.
This whole "debate" comes down to a very simple point: Evander either doesn't comprehend or isn't willing to accept what "new" actually means insofar as optical media/software is concerned.
The world, however, doesn't care what Evander is willing to comprehend or accept. "New," as it relates to this particular product type, is what it is regardless of what Evander thinks.
I've seen this same circular drivel here for the last three or more years and Evander has not changed his wholly incorrect stance on "new," so really, don't bother, folks.
No, drez, what it comes down to is that you fail to recognize that one word can have different meanings in different contexts, and even different stores.
I am NOT encouraging anyone to purchase anything that they are uncomfortable with. I'm just making clear what the term means in context so that people can consume INFORMED.
I think books may make for the best comparison here, because they sit out on the self, and all kinds of people thumb through them all day. When you go to buy a book, you generally pick through for the freshest looking copy, and if there aren't any fresh looking ones, then you decide if it's worth it to get it in the condition it's in.
Sometimes you end up buying a book that three different people have thumbed through while drinking their coffee. It is STILL technically a new book, and sold as such.
B&R actually gave me a discount on a comic book because there was a mark on it.
Where has Evander been in the last few months anyway? He always stood up for GS
I don't stand up for them so much as shoot down the obviously wrong attacks ("used games are hurting the industry", etc.)
I agree that the practice of checking out brand new copies of games to employees is a bit sketchy. However, because these copies never leave store inventory, they are also technically still new.
Anyone who is bothered by this ought to insist on a sealed copy of a game (and if none are available, just consider the store to be sold out, and go shop elsewhere.)
Wrong. Never spun = new. Factory conditions = new. "Not leaving the store inventory" has absolutely zero (yes, absolutely zero) to do with "new" by any stretch of the word's definition.
And it's not about "being bothered" or "not being bothered" about this, it is about the outright illegal practice of falsely advertising and selling not-new objects as new.
Let me ask you this: If a shipment comes in and a salesperson/stock person accidentally crack a brand new game in half, or the CD somehow gets scratched, would you still call that "new," Evander? It never left store inventory.
Just so you know, the rest of the world doesn't consider such things "new," either.
Yes, Drez, it WOULD still be new. It would ALSO be defective. New is not a mutually exclusive term.
And let me just direct you to cars and books again, which are NEVER sold in factory conditions (unless you pay extra)....
Nope.
But thanks for proving, again, that you have no idea what "new" means insofar as the entire retail/consumer market world is concerned.
new shoes
new pants
new car
new book
Should I go on?
So that would include:
stained shoes
ripped pants
broken car
torn book
if nobody had owned it before, huh?
Your examples kinda work up until that scratched point, but they totally fall apart there.
Damaged goods are not new, we've established this, but gutted games aren't damaged goods. Look, there are many definitions for the word "new." GameStop uses one acceptable definition, you use another. It is not new by your personal standards, but they are considered new by at least one definition of the word itself and they are obviously considered new buy GameStops standards. You don't agree, that's fine, that's great, by your definition it is not a new item. But to GameStop and many of their customers those games are still new.
But Gamestop doesn't use an "acceptable definition" - they use a definition that no other company that peddles "new" optical media uses.
The "one definition" you are talking about is fabricated and perpetuated solely by Gamestop.
Damaged goods are not new, we've established this, but gutted games aren't damaged goods. Look, there are many definitions for the word "new." GameStop uses one acceptable definition, you use another. It is not new by your personal standards, but they are considered new by at least one definition of the word itself and they are obviously considered new by GameStops standards. You don't agree, that's fine, that's great, by your definition it is not a new item. But to GameStop and many of their customers those games are still new.
P.S. Should I quote Evander's post where he states that defective, broken product can also be considered "new"?
This whole "debate" comes down to a very simple point: Evander either doesn't comprehend or isn't willing to accept what "new" actually means insofar as optical media/software is concerned.
The world, however, doesn't care what Evander is willing to comprehend or accept. "New," as it relates to this particular product type, is what it is regardless of what Evander thinks.
I've seen this same circular drivel here for the last three or more years and Evander has not changed his wholly incorrect stance on "new," so really, don't bother, folks.
No, drez, what it comes down to is that you fail to recognize that one word can have different meanings in different contexts, and even different stores.
I am NOT encouraging anyone to purchase anything that they are uncomfortable with. I'm just making clear what the term means in context so that people can consume INFORMED.
No, what it comes down to is the fact that "new" has a very specific meaning IN the context of optical media/memory devices, and Gamestop is using definitions from other contexts.
How the fuck do you even make this argument? Seriously, how does your brain work? You're the one justifying Gamestop's definition of "new" BY USING OTHER CONTEXTS. Books, cars, clothing. You have to defend their definition of "new" WITHIN THE PROPER CONTEXT. And there is no defense, because Gamestop is the ONLY CHAIN that tries to pass spun/used optical media as "new."
This post of yours? You just proved yourself wrong.
No, they definitely are, but they are also returnable/replaceable.
Damaged goods are not knowingly sold in place fo working goods (store policy is to defect out damaged inventory if it turns up, although effort isn't made to seek it out ahead fo time.)
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Yeah - that's what I was saying, although Ive never seen a gamestop that has just gutted one game - the last copy - but that's what I was saying.
And I don't understand how you'd need 2 games for every 1 on the shelf? Every game has a case. You gut all the games, you now have 50 empty cases, and 50 games. Yes, you can fit the games nicely under the register, where you could never fit the cases -- but where are those cases? In the back? Why not just leave the games, sealed in the cases, and keep them secure in the back, if theft is your main concern?
They've got stock rooms, cabinets, etc. With some ingenuity, they could come up with a better layout to facilitate the space necessary to properly store sealed games while stocking shelves with shell cases.
The fact is, it costs money, and GS is cheap. Why bother when the bulk of your income comes from used games anyways?
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Well, once the store is already there, it'll stay so long as it is in the black (the reason why there is a starbucks on every corner)
There's a mall near me where the ONLY stores in there still are a gamestop, and a bootleg stand right outside fo it
THOSE CASES ARE ON THE SHELVES OUT FRONT, FOR CUSTOMERS TO PERUSE.
Yes, customers, putting their grimy hands all over your new case and possibly your manual. Have fun with your "new" game!
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You don't seem to understand the point of a business, dude.
If something is going to cost them more money than they will end up making from it, then it is a BAD idea to do it.
You don't run a business by throwing money away.
If you don't want it, then don't buy it.
There are plenty of people who just don't care.
OUR SOLUTION TO HAVING A SMALL STORE IS TO CREATE MORE THINGS THAT TAKE UP SPACE.
what would you do?
They can't leave the discs in the cases that are on the wall, because then people would just steal them.
Other than that being a bullshit excuse, because no other stores gut games yet they still somehow manage to survive legions of thieves, the could easily just gut ONE copy, saving them a ton of shelf space (because you really wouldn't need multiple copies of any game), and keep the rest of the games in the back and the best sellers right under the register.
I mean overall I don't shop there because of this very reason, I just can't see any defense for what they do, that's all.
Most other stores have games behind glass doors, and sealed in some wierd ass plastic handcuff-like mechanism.
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They DO only gut one or two copies of each new game.
The claims of stores gutting EVERY new game are either false, or talking about stores who are the exception, not the rule.
Also, keeping games in the back doesn't work when some stores LITERALLY only have a closet back there, and that is already FILLED with the video game systems.
edit: other stores have expensive security systems. If this was a more profitable route for Gamestop to take, I assure you that they already would have. If there is one thing that gamestop is good at, it is being profitable.
Again - more power to them if they can do it and people will allow it! But I'd be willing to bet that's the largest reason why they're profitable.
Also, I have never gotten a sealed game from a GameStop, ever. I guess i'm just that unlucky.
And just to show my bias, nothing made me as angry as the time that I bought RE:Umbrella Chronicles there and was going to buy used, for $44. I saw NEW was $50 and figured what the hell, for $6 more I'll actually make sure Capcom got the money. I forgot they gut games, and was confused when they just filled the display case. I asked and he reminded me about the gutting. Oh well, whatever.
I got home and the instruction manual wouldn't open. Giant coffee stain on the back, which was allowed to dry sticking the vast majority of pages together. I went back, and said they gave me a used game, when I bought it new, showed my reciept, and they told me they couldn't do anything because I had opened the game. I didn't know what to say so I left and haven't gone back.
Well I'm 5 for 5 on seeing every game in the store gutted then, aside from getting to the store when a new product has also arrived (and in the process of being so). It's great that policy says this that or the other, but practice is what matters. And lack of punishment on practice tells me it's sanctioned.
5 for 5 at the same store, or different ones, and if it's different ones, were they in the same area (under the same district manager)?
and a lack of punishment doesn't mean it's sanctioned, it means that they haven't been caught yet.
Five for five across two states. Over here in Texas, they're within the same town so I can give you that. In California though, it was spread out around the Bay. Ridiculous.
That is a horrible horrible story. I wouldn't have just left. Thats a situation where I would just start asking for the next highest person up.
Oh, you're store manager isn't here today? Well call him up. Oh, you can't do anything either? Then give me your district manager's phone number.
Eventually someone is going to get pissed off that they are being called about something so trivial, and they aren't going to take it out on you.
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Sounds like two different DMs who are doing things wrong.
The thing is that there is technically no policy AGAINST gutting extra copies, it is just not a good idea, because while there are enough customers who don't care about gutting for it to not be an issue on the large scale, there are still plenty of customers who want sealed copies.
I imagine that those stores are paying for their bad decisions by doing less business than they could be.
The return policy states that opened new games can be returned for a copy of the same game (the policy does not technically even require the item to be defective) so you DID have recourse if you wanted to push them.
I understand that you weren't aware of this, but it IS printed on the bottom of the receipt.
edit: and like Kor said, if they gave you a hard time, they would have gotten themselves in trouble when the issue reached a higher level.
And corporate actually cares about complaints.
I've seen folks written up and fired because of two many customer complaints to the hotline.
Nope.
But thanks for proving, again, that you have no idea what "new" means insofar as the entire retail/consumer market world is concerned.
For the record, I worked at Gamestop many moons ago. And a few other retail chains, some of which had nothing to do with software. A damaged product, even fresh from the shipment, is never considered "new" in retail. Period.
new shoes
new pants
new car
new book
Should I go on?
Don't bother. You are factually wrong on this topic. Your arguments simply communicate your own ignorance, because there is no valid argument here.
So that would include:
stained shoes
ripped pants
broken car
torn book
if nobody had owned it before, huh?
Your examples kinda work up until that scratched point, but they totally fall apart there.
I HAVE seen that on the shelf in some stores, you know.
Personally, I wouldn't buy that.
Just like I personally don't buy gutted games
The world, however, doesn't care what Evander is willing to comprehend or accept. "New," as it relates to this particular product type, is what it is regardless of what Evander thinks.
I've seen this same circular drivel here for the last three or more years and Evander has not changed his wholly incorrect stance on "new," so really, don't bother, folks.
Sometimes you end up buying a book that three different people have thumbed through while drinking their coffee. It is STILL technically a new book, and sold as such.
I also always try to check the game case after leaving Gamestop to make sure the game is there if I didn't see them put it in, though that is mostly because I know humans can make mistakes.
Damaged goods are not new, we've established this, but gutted games aren't damaged goods. Look, there are many definitions for the word "new." GameStop uses one acceptable definition, you use another. It is not new by your personal standards, but they are considered new by at least one definition of the word itself and they are obviously considered new by GameStops standards. You don't agree, that's fine, that's great, by your definition it is not a new item. But to GameStop and many of their customers those games are still new.
No, drez, what it comes down to is that you fail to recognize that one word can have different meanings in different contexts, and even different stores.
I am NOT encouraging anyone to purchase anything that they are uncomfortable with. I'm just making clear what the term means in context so that people can consume INFORMED.
B&R actually gave me a discount on a comic book because there was a mark on it.
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But Gamestop doesn't use an "acceptable definition" - they use a definition that no other company that peddles "new" optical media uses.
The "one definition" you are talking about is fabricated and perpetuated solely by Gamestop.
Off topic: What's B&R?
P.S. Should I quote Evander's post where he states that defective, broken product can also be considered "new"?
No, what it comes down to is the fact that "new" has a very specific meaning IN the context of optical media/memory devices, and Gamestop is using definitions from other contexts.
How the fuck do you even make this argument? Seriously, how does your brain work? You're the one justifying Gamestop's definition of "new" BY USING OTHER CONTEXTS. Books, cars, clothing. You have to defend their definition of "new" WITHIN THE PROPER CONTEXT. And there is no defense, because Gamestop is the ONLY CHAIN that tries to pass spun/used optical media as "new."
This post of yours? You just proved yourself wrong.
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No, they definitely are, but they are also returnable/replaceable.
Damaged goods are not knowingly sold in place fo working goods (store policy is to defect out damaged inventory if it turns up, although effort isn't made to seek it out ahead fo time.)