It's only a matter of time that rape will be more accepted. There was once a time when even the hint of violence would be unacceptable in a game, and now look at where we are today. It's just the way the industry is moving. Eventually it will be popular to have games where players themselves can just rape people.
This is not Japan.
No way. If this happens, I'll be bitching that:"Back in my days, video games had more class! Even Grand Theft Auto wasn't that bad. Sure you had sex with hookers, but it was consensual!"
Welcome to my world. Liberal values, killing people's culture.
Unlike conservative values, which have never been used to justify crimes against humanity. Ever.
Seriously, with this game and the path, that now makes 3 games that I know of with rape in them. Wtf guys? I don't know, maybe some taboos are there for a reason?
There's Implied rape in FFVII and FF:Tactics. Those are honestly the first two that come to mind.
It's only a matter of time that rape will be more accepted. There was once a time when even the hint of violence would be unacceptable in a game, and now look at where we are today. It's just the way the industry is moving. Eventually it will be popular to have games where players themselves can just rape people.
This is not Japan.
No way. If this happens, I'll be bitching that:"Back in my days, video games had more class! Even Grand Theft Auto wasn't that bad. Sure you had sex with hookers, but it was consensual!"
Welcome to my world. Liberal values, killing people's culture.
Unlike conservative values, which have never been used to justify crimes against humanity. Ever.
No conservative group has ever destroy large amounts of cultural works because they are considered sinful.
Actually I must confess something, I've already literally raped people in a game before, and not even NPCs, I'm talking actual human players.
The game? Ultima Online.
Basically the way it worked was we would kill someone, and if their body dropped at the right angle, the head pointing northwest, or northeast, you could stand by their body and bow and it would look like you're fucking them quite hard. We would rip all the clothes off the person's corpse and then take turns raping them as their ghost stood there to watch, pissed off. We were douchebags.
Though it's not much different from teabagging people in Halo.
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Seriously, with this game and the path, that now makes 3 games that I know of with rape in them. Wtf guys? I don't know, maybe some taboos are there for a reason?
Rape is not a taboo.
Consensual sex between two related people is a taboo. tying someone consenting up and whipping them for mutual enjoyment is taboo.
Rape is the violent violation of a person's basic rights as a human being.
Do you know what the word taboo means?
I surely do. I just think the word taboo isn't harsh enough to describe things like that, as what people normally think of as taboo is comparatively mild, in my opinion.
It's only a matter of time that rape will be more accepted. There was once a time when even the hint of violence would be unacceptable in a game, and now look at where we are today. It's just the way the industry is moving. Eventually it will be popular to have games where players themselves can just rape people.
It's only a matter of time that rape will be more accepted. There was once a time when even the hint of violence would be unacceptable in a game, and now look at where we are today. It's just the way the industry is moving. Eventually it will be popular to have games where players themselves can just rape people.
There's still some growing up to do. Even if it's just "hiring better writers".
Frankly, I think that the current history of video games has already proven my point.
It's a flawed analogy. Growing up is something that automatically happens to a kid as he ages. A format of entertainment doesn't just arbitrarily develop and become more complex with time. People have to try to do it.
There's still some growing up to do. Even if it's just "hiring better writers".
Frankly, I think that the current history of video games has already proven my point.
It's a flawed analogy. Growing up is something that automatically happens to a kid as he ages. A format of entertainment doesn't just arbitrarily develop and become more complex with time. People have to try to do it.
Pretty much this exactly.
Not really. You don't arbitrarily develop better writing skills over time. You have to hone them.
Right, you hone your writing skills by trying new things and expanding your horizon. If video games as a medium don't try to become more of a mature format, then they won't. Just like writing skills.
There's still some growing up to do. Even if it's just "hiring better writers".
Frankly, I think that the current history of video games has already proven my point.
It's a flawed analogy. Growing up is something that automatically happens to a kid as he ages. A format of entertainment doesn't just arbitrarily develop and become more complex with time. People have to try to do it.
Pretty much this exactly.
Not really. You don't arbitrarily develop better writing skills over time. You have to hone them.
Analogy still stands.
Except then it proves my point.
The reason a young writer can't tackle more serious issues is because they're not mature enough to do so, not because they're not good enough. You wouldn't tell a bad 50-year-old writer to not write a book with rape in it because he needs to wait 'till he's older, because the problem is that they just are a bad writer. The reason you'd tell an immature writer to wait is because they need to mature, which will happen naturally with age. Gaming may be a young art, but art doesn't actually go through puberty and mature naturally like people.
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There's still some growing up to do. Even if it's just "hiring better writers".
Frankly, I think that the current history of video games has already proven my point.
It's a flawed analogy. Growing up is something that automatically happens to a kid as he ages. A format of entertainment doesn't just arbitrarily develop and become more complex with time. People have to try to do it.
Pretty much this exactly.
Not really. You don't arbitrarily develop better writing skills over time. You have to hone them.
Analogy still stands.
Except then it proves my point.
The reason a young writer can't tackle more serious issues is because they're not mature enough to do so, not because they're not good enough. You wouldn't tell a bad 50-year-old writer to not write a book with rape in it because he needs to wait 'till he's older, because the problem is that they just are a bad writer. The reason you'd tell an immature writer to wait is because they need to mature, which will happen naturally with age. Gaming may be a young art, but art doesn't actually go through puberty and mature naturally like people.
Maturity is gained mostly through experience (not age) and those experiences need to be sought out and learned from. It just so happens that most people will come across most of them as they age without much conscious effort.
There's still some growing up to do. Even if it's just "hiring better writers".
Frankly, I think that the current history of video games has already proven my point.
It's a flawed analogy. Growing up is something that automatically happens to a kid as he ages. A format of entertainment doesn't just arbitrarily develop and become more complex with time. People have to try to do it.
Pretty much this exactly.
Not really. You don't arbitrarily develop better writing skills over time. You have to hone them.
Analogy still stands.
Except then it proves my point.
The reason a young writer can't tackle more serious issues is because they're not mature enough to do so, not because they're not good enough. You wouldn't tell a bad 50-year-old writer to not write a book with rape in it because he needs to wait 'till he's older, because the problem is that they just are a bad writer. The reason you'd tell an immature writer to wait is because they need to mature, which will happen naturally with age. Gaming may be a young art, but art doesn't actually go through puberty and mature naturally like people.
Maturity is gained mostly through experience (not age) and those experiences need to be sought out and learned from. It just so happens that most people will come across most of them as they age without much conscious effort.
Ok, this is so not even the same discussion anymore. Video Games aren't people, there's a point where comparing them doesn't work. For instance, what the hell would be the equivalent of Video Games going through life experiences.
Right, you hone your writing skills by trying new things and expanding your horizon. If video games as a medium don't try to become more of a mature format, then they won't. Just like writing skills.
You don't learn how to ride a motorcycle by trying to jump across the Grand Canyon.
Anyway, now matter how you guys may not like my analogy, my point still stands that people trying to tackle things they're not ready for are setting themselves up for failure.
Before you show me a game that deals with a difficult subject in an artful way, at least show me a game that can tackle *any* subject in an artful way. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of games that have done this.
Ok, this is so not even the same discussion anymore. Video Games aren't people, there's a point where comparing them doesn't work. For instance, what the hell would be the equivalent of Video Games going through life experiences.
Well, Dawn of War 2 and I have been having some rather hard relationship problems.
We've tried couples counseling, but it isn't going so well. I think we might be in for a rather harsh break up. You know the kind. His clothes all over the front lawn, lots of yelling. I hope it doesn't come to that, but I don't know what else we can try, you know?
Before you show me a game that deals with a difficult subject in an artful way, at least show me a game that can tackle *any* subject in an artful way. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of games that have done this.
Ok, I will show you the games that you counted on the fingers of one hand.
"Show me a game that does x. There are only like 3 that have" really isn't making a point.
Before you show me a game that deals with a difficult subject in an artful way, at least show me a game that can tackle *any* subject in an artful way. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of games that have done this.
Ok, I will show you the games that you counted on the fingers of one hand.
"Show me a game that does x. There are only like 3 that have" really isn't making a point.
That out of thousands of games, only a few have ever even tried to be artful is all the evidence I need to show that games have not matured as an art form yet. That there have been almost no successes is even better for my argument.
You need to start somewhere. You seem to think games could go from barely being considered art to being great works about deep subjects. That's just not going to happen.
How about hiring competent writers for a start?
Anyway, I doubt a licensed game is going to treat this subject so well. Especially one about an afternoon show. This is probably going to be like:"Hey guys, look! The criminal is getting raped, isn't that hilarious? Don't steal cars, buddy! Please don't point out our horrible hypocrisy."
Before you show me a game that deals with a difficult subject in an artful way, at least show me a game that can tackle *any* subject in an artful way. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of games that have done this.
Ok, I will show you the games that you counted on the fingers of one hand.
"Show me a game that does x. There are only like 3 that have" really isn't making a point.
That out of thousands of games, only a few have ever even tried to be artful is all the evidence I need to show that games have not matured as an art form yet. That there have been almost no successes is even better for my argument.
You need to start somewhere. You seem to think games could go from barely being considered art to being great works about deep subjects. That's just not going to happen.
If no one even attempts to take the first steps (and some already have), then we'll never get there.
You can't just say that the industry isn't ready or that the medium isn't mature enough just because it hasn't been done with much success before. All that means is that some have tried and failed.
Every industry, be it the movie industry or the publishing industry, has seen a great many successes. They have also seen a great many failures. More failures than successes, even. The videogame industry will get there, but if they never even take those first tepid steps into this grander world of "art" because they're not ready, then they never will be.
Picture this, the game is a squad based multiplayer game. You and your friends create hot ass girls and dress them in the best clothes and equipment possible. Then, the objective of the game is to walk down the streets and try to turn as many heads as possible as you walk by. The more attention and cat calls you attract, the more points you get. However, at the same time, you have to avoid getting raped. This means you have to recognize dangerous situations and try to walk away from them as skillfully as possible. If you don't, you get raped, and you lose.
Picture this, the game is a squad based multiplayer game. You and your friends create hot ass girls and dress them in the best clothes and equipment possible. Then, the objective of the game is to walk down the streets and try to turn as many heads as possible as you walk by. The more attention and cat calls you attract, the more points you get. However, at the same time, you have to avoid getting raped. This means you have to recognize dangerous situations and try to walk away from them as skillfully as possible. If you don't, you get raped, and you lose.
Before you show me a game that deals with a difficult subject in an artful way, at least show me a game that can tackle *any* subject in an artful way. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of games that have done this.
Ok, I will show you the games that you counted on the fingers of one hand.
"Show me a game that does x. There are only like 3 that have" really isn't making a point.
That out of thousands of games, only a few have ever even tried to be artful is all the evidence I need to show that games have not matured as an art form yet. That there have been almost no successes is even better for my argument.
You need to start somewhere. You seem to think games could go from barely being considered art to being great works about deep subjects. That's just not going to happen.
How about hiring competent writers for a start?
Anyway, I doubt a licensed game is going to treat this subject so well. Especially one about an afternoon show. This is probably going to be like:"Hey guys, look! The criminal is getting raped, isn't that hilarious? Don't steal cars, buddy! Please don't point out our horrible hypocrisy."
...what
I never said anything about games suddenly jumping to great works of art.
I said that saying that "Games aren't ready/mature enough for/artistic enough for x" is a terrible justification for games not trying to be artistic and to expand the typical toolset, because Games won't evolve unless they're forced to evolve. You've completely misread my point. Games will evolve when they are forced to evolve. We do this by releasing games that are always going where "Games aren't ready to go" yet. In accepting topic matter that has been a standard of art for hundreds of years we're taking needed steps to get to the point where games are more artistic.
Games need to continue to expand and advance as art, it's not going to happen on its own.
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Actually I must confess something, I've already literally raped people in a game before, and not even NPCs, I'm talking actual human players.
The game? Ultima Online.
Basically the way it worked was we would kill someone, and if their body dropped at the right angle, the head pointing northwest, or northeast, you could stand by their body and bow and it would look like you're fucking them quite hard. We would rip all the clothes off the person's corpse and then take turns raping them as their ghost stood there to watch, pissed off. We were douchebags.
Though it's not much different from teabagging people in Halo.
No not that different, i mean you just got together with your friends to lose yourself in a fantasy world and gang rape a corpse.
No not that different, i mean you just got together with your friends to lose yourself in a fantasy world and gang rape a corpse.
Is that such a crime?
was it the basket weaving that did it in?
The basket weaving wasn't really the nail in the coffin. I mean, a thread just isn't really complete until there's a Die Hard 2 reference. It had to be done.
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Unlike conservative values, which have never been used to justify crimes against humanity. Ever.
There's Implied rape in FFVII and FF:Tactics. Those are honestly the first two that come to mind.
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No conservative group has ever destroy large amounts of cultural works because they are considered sinful.
The game? Ultima Online.
Basically the way it worked was we would kill someone, and if their body dropped at the right angle, the head pointing northwest, or northeast, you could stand by their body and bow and it would look like you're fucking them quite hard. We would rip all the clothes off the person's corpse and then take turns raping them as their ghost stood there to watch, pissed off. We were douchebags.
Though it's not much different from teabagging people in Halo.
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All right, people. It is not a gerbil. It is not a hamster. It is not a guinea pig. It is a death rabbit. Death. Rabbit. Say it with me, now.
Damn straight! like Custer's Revenge!
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oh god really
that's horrifying
Pretty much this exactly.
Not really. You don't arbitrarily develop better writing skills over time. You have to hone them.
Analogy still stands.
The reason a young writer can't tackle more serious issues is because they're not mature enough to do so, not because they're not good enough. You wouldn't tell a bad 50-year-old writer to not write a book with rape in it because he needs to wait 'till he's older, because the problem is that they just are a bad writer. The reason you'd tell an immature writer to wait is because they need to mature, which will happen naturally with age. Gaming may be a young art, but art doesn't actually go through puberty and mature naturally like people.
All right, people. It is not a gerbil. It is not a hamster. It is not a guinea pig. It is a death rabbit. Death. Rabbit. Say it with me, now.
Ok, this is so not even the same discussion anymore. Video Games aren't people, there's a point where comparing them doesn't work. For instance, what the hell would be the equivalent of Video Games going through life experiences.
You don't learn how to ride a motorcycle by trying to jump across the Grand Canyon.
Anyway, now matter how you guys may not like my analogy, my point still stands that people trying to tackle things they're not ready for are setting themselves up for failure.
Before you show me a game that deals with a difficult subject in an artful way, at least show me a game that can tackle *any* subject in an artful way. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of games that have done this.
Well, Dawn of War 2 and I have been having some rather hard relationship problems.
We've tried couples counseling, but it isn't going so well. I think we might be in for a rather harsh break up. You know the kind. His clothes all over the front lawn, lots of yelling. I hope it doesn't come to that, but I don't know what else we can try, you know?
Ok, I will show you the games that you counted on the fingers of one hand.
"Show me a game that does x. There are only like 3 that have" really isn't making a point.
Let's just back to what's important here: the rape.
That out of thousands of games, only a few have ever even tried to be artful is all the evidence I need to show that games have not matured as an art form yet. That there have been almost no successes is even better for my argument.
You need to start somewhere. You seem to think games could go from barely being considered art to being great works about deep subjects. That's just not going to happen.
How about hiring competent writers for a start?
Anyway, I doubt a licensed game is going to treat this subject so well. Especially one about an afternoon show. This is probably going to be like:"Hey guys, look! The criminal is getting raped, isn't that hilarious? Don't steal cars, buddy! Please don't point out our horrible hypocrisy."
If no one even attempts to take the first steps (and some already have), then we'll never get there.
You can't just say that the industry isn't ready or that the medium isn't mature enough just because it hasn't been done with much success before. All that means is that some have tried and failed.
Every industry, be it the movie industry or the publishing industry, has seen a great many successes. They have also seen a great many failures. More failures than successes, even. The videogame industry will get there, but if they never even take those first tepid steps into this grander world of "art" because they're not ready, then they never will be.
Picture this, the game is a squad based multiplayer game. You and your friends create hot ass girls and dress them in the best clothes and equipment possible. Then, the objective of the game is to walk down the streets and try to turn as many heads as possible as you walk by. The more attention and cat calls you attract, the more points you get. However, at the same time, you have to avoid getting raped. This means you have to recognize dangerous situations and try to walk away from them as skillfully as possible. If you don't, you get raped, and you lose.
I call it Streets of Rape.
But... why would they do that?
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...what
I never said anything about games suddenly jumping to great works of art.
I said that saying that "Games aren't ready/mature enough for/artistic enough for x" is a terrible justification for games not trying to be artistic and to expand the typical toolset, because Games won't evolve unless they're forced to evolve. You've completely misread my point. Games will evolve when they are forced to evolve. We do this by releasing games that are always going where "Games aren't ready to go" yet. In accepting topic matter that has been a standard of art for hundreds of years we're taking needed steps to get to the point where games are more artistic.
Games need to continue to expand and advance as art, it's not going to happen on its own.
When someone is murdered, their suffering is done and said with.
When someone is raped, their suffering is for an extended period of time, from long to way long depending on the person.
Let's leave this shit for D&D though.
It's an early runner, but boy howdy I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to see it go all the way.
No not that different, i mean you just got together with your friends to lose yourself in a fantasy world and gang rape a corpse.
Is that such a crime?
The basket weaving wasn't really the nail in the coffin. I mean, a thread just isn't really complete until there's a Die Hard 2 reference. It had to be done.
So when are we gonna see some nonconsensual wampa-on-Stormtrooper action?
Two great tastes that taste great together, amiright?
Well, the DM playing the "Strange Hin" pretty much is Satan and has been since his rampant drug abuse fried his brain.