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Past Lives (Its like a video game!)

An-DAn-D EnthusiastAshevilleRegistered User regular
edited April 2009 in Debate and/or Discourse
I'm starting this thread because I stumbled upon this article:

http://www.ntcsites.com/acadianhouse/nss-folder/publicfolder/AP/cover_feature_24_3.htm

Basically, a child is having horrible nightmares about a plane crash and upon talking to the child and further investigation, the parents find fairly clear parallels between the child's dreams and a plane that was shot down during WWII in the Pacific.

My first instinct with this is to raise the BS flag, but there are definitely some things in the article that seem to be more than coincidence. Is there any kind of "science" or other such thing to back this up? Is this a stand-alone happening?
The next month, James relinquished another piece of information, which floored his already-skeptical father. Bruce was thumbing through a book, The Battle For Iwo Jima, by Derrick Wright, which he had recently received from a history book club. While Bruce was inspecting the book, James jumped into his lap to watch cartoons. While waiting for the cartoons to come on, James looked at the book with his dad. Suddenly, James pointed to a map of Iwo Jima near Chichi Jima and said, “Daddy, that is where my plane was shot down.” Bruce says he almost keeled over.

I find myself still very much a skeptic.

Some people I know talk often of their past lives where they claim that they were Vlad the Impaler in a past life and other such stuff. When you tell they that that's dumb, they kind of look at you condescendingly and say "Oh, you're just a young soul." or something like that. Its pretty dumb.

So, what does PA think about this? Real stuff or coincidence or did the kid/pilot grab the green mushroom before he crashed? Are past lives or past life memories worth thinking about?

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    A ton of planes were shot down over the Pacific during WWII and a ton of children have nightmares. It isn't that surprising that a series of nightmares are similar to an event.

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Looking for answers, Andrea began to seek help outside of their home. The nightmares weren’t going away, and the Leiningers didn’t know what they could do to stop them. The possible cures seemed few, and it even crossed Bruce’s mind that an exorcism might be necessary if the nightmares didn’t end.

    This is where I stopped reading. When the only two logical conclusions are past lives or demonic possession, you know you're in crazy town.

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    When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
    'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
  • archonwarparchonwarp Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Oh yeah, demons! Those are the things we blame everything on whenever we're ignorant of science and clueless, right?

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Decades from now, I wonder if a kid will have nightmares about spending too much time on the internet.

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  • archonwarparchonwarp Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Decades from now, I wonder if a kid will have nightmares about spending too much time on the internet.


    Sometime in the future, a child will be reading a book about culture in the 2000's and come to the chapter about World of Warcraft. When the picture of Molten Core comes up, he'll nonchalantly turn to his parents and say, "That's the place where I died in my last life. I lost all of my friends, failed out of college, got thrown out of my parents' basement, and became a bum who pooped in a sock in this very place."

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  • Handsome CostanzaHandsome Costanza Ask me about 8bitdo RIP Iwata-sanRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Apparently a direct ancestor of mine had some huge force of like 4 thousand guys, and got horribly defeated at some battle by a force of about 500 guys. I'm pretty sure he was also known as "Joeseph the coward" or some crap like that. So yeah I hope that this kind of stuff isn't true.



    But then again there was also a direct ancestor of mine who was a knight or some fighter guy. During a battle that went bad he fled across some shallow river? or something to deliver a message with a couple other dudes, and they all died except for him while he killed about 80 guys by himself to get across. And was some kind of hero for it.


    Yeah my father has an obsession for this kind of stuff for some reason. I don't really see the meaning in it. He did show me a picture of these old timey people though that looked exactly like me and various relatives. It was uncanny. And very weird in a "that might be future-me after I discover time travel" kind of way.

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  • GnastyGnasty Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    the whole past lives phenomena is a question for psychologists, not psychics.

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited April 2009
    archonwarp wrote: »
    Decades from now, I wonder if a kid will have nightmares about spending too much time on the internet.


    Sometime in the future, a child will be reading a book about culture in the 2000's and come to the chapter about World of Warcraft. When the picture of Molten Core comes up, he'll nonchalantly turn to his parents and say, "That's the place where I died in my last life. I lost all of my friends, failed out of college, got thrown out of my parents' basement, and became a bum who pooped in a sock in this very place."
    What the kid's past life was your character's?

    "That's the place where I died in my last life. Fucking healers."

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  • MikeManMikeMan Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    The only possible explanation is a past life.

    In fact, as we all know children have absolutely no imagination and are walking robots with no ability to imagine themselves in other situations. Something like this is inexplicable!

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  • KazhiimKazhiim __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2009
    maybe the kid was watching T.V. and the History Channel was playing something about WWII

    Now, I know, that's fairly unlikely. The History Channel doesn't have WWII specials on very often. Bear with me here.

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  • archonwarparchonwarp Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Rorus Raz wrote: »
    archonwarp wrote: »
    Decades from now, I wonder if a kid will have nightmares about spending too much time on the internet.


    Sometime in the future, a child will be reading a book about culture in the 2000's and come to the chapter about World of Warcraft. When the picture of Molten Core comes up, he'll nonchalantly turn to his parents and say, "That's the place where I died in my last life. I lost all of my friends, failed out of college, got thrown out of my parents' basement, and became a bum who pooped in a sock in this very place."
    What the kid's past life was your character's?

    "That's the place where I died in my last life. Fucking healers."

    I'd like to imagine that most people who let MMOs destroy their lives are very consumed by the game and RP heavily, if only on a subconscious level. And everyone knows it's the healers fault, even if they were properly geared but the DPS wasn't watching threat or was too weak to take down the boss before the healer went oom.

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I'm 90% sure that this take on reincarnation is almost totally divorced from the original eastern philosophy that was its vehicle for introduction into modern western pop culture.

    I can't think of many authentic eastern traditions in which souls are continuously reincarnated as human beings. Usually people go around on a wheel from lower consciousness organisms to higher consciousness organisms and back again.

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  • KazhiimKazhiim __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2009
    Speaker wrote: »
    I'm 90% sure that this take on reincarnation is almost totally divorced from the original eastern philosophy that was its vehicle for introduction into modern western pop culture.

    I can't think of many authentic eastern traditions in which souls are continuously reincarnated as human beings. Usually people go around on a wheel from lower consciousness organisms to higher consciousness organisms and back again.

    maybe he was, like, a roach in the plane, man

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited April 2009
    Kazhiim wrote: »
    Speaker wrote: »
    I'm 90% sure that this take on reincarnation is almost totally divorced from the original eastern philosophy that was its vehicle for introduction into modern western pop culture.

    I can't think of many authentic eastern traditions in which souls are continuously reincarnated as human beings. Usually people go around on a wheel from lower consciousness organisms to higher consciousness organisms and back again.
    Maybe he was, like, a roach in the plane, man
    Snake. Do I have to make the crappy joke myself!?

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Rorus Raz wrote: »
    Kazhiim wrote: »
    Speaker wrote: »
    I'm 90% sure that this take on reincarnation is almost totally divorced from the original eastern philosophy that was its vehicle for introduction into modern western pop culture.

    I can't think of many authentic eastern traditions in which souls are continuously reincarnated as human beings. Usually people go around on a wheel from lower consciousness organisms to higher consciousness organisms and back again.
    Maybe he was, like, a roach in the plane, man
    Snake. Do I have to make the crappy joke myself!?

    I love this forum.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Rorus Raz wrote: »
    Kazhiim wrote: »
    Speaker wrote: »
    I'm 90% sure that this take on reincarnation is almost totally divorced from the original eastern philosophy that was its vehicle for introduction into modern western pop culture.

    I can't think of many authentic eastern traditions in which souls are continuously reincarnated as human beings. Usually people go around on a wheel from lower consciousness organisms to higher consciousness organisms and back again.
    Maybe he was, like, a roach in the plane, man
    Snake. Do I have to make the crappy joke myself!?

    I was going to make it, but I decided it would be a bad joke.

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  • Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    That kid should write a note in his journal

    "If anything goes wrong, Demond Hume will be my constant"

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  • ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Kazhiim wrote: »
    maybe the kid was watching T.V. and the History Channel was playing something about WWII

    Now, I know, that's fairly unlikely. The History Channel doesn't have WWII specials on very often. Bear with me here.
    I don't know

    A kid who watched too much history channel these days would more likely dream of being Jesus

    or an alien

    or Hitler

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    MikeMan wrote: »
    The only possible explanation is a past life.

    In fact, as we all know children have absolutely no imagination and are walking robots with no ability to imagine themselves in other situations. Something like this is inexplicable!

    That isn't the ONLY plausible explanation.

    My god man, did you not hear the equally plausible demonic possession theory??

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    When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
    'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Why is it that nobody was ever a faceless peasant in a past life? Everybody's a hotshot pilot or Indian chief or Atlantean High Priestess or some shit like that.

    (And yes, I know the actual answer, I just think it's funny)

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  • Magic RadioMagic Radio Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I'm really surprised no one has a made a Coast to Coast AM thread to house this stuff in.

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  • GnastyGnasty Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Does anyone else watch In Treatment? I have a good idea for a new patient next season.

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  • HarrierHarrier The Star Spangled Man Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Playing Devil's Advocate here for a moment, what if it's some kind of genetic memory?

    I mean, I've been playing Assassin's Creed again lately, and I can't help but notice a faint similarity.

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  • Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Why is it that nobody was ever a faceless peasant in a past life? Everybody's a hotshot pilot or Indian chief or Atlantean High Priestess or some shit like that.

    (And yes, I know the actual answer, I just think it's funny)

    If I ever find myself in a conversation with somebody who believes in past life regression, I'll probably contribute a mundane made-up life like that: Peter the farm hand, who lived on an estate until he died of cholera at age thirty-two, or John the cleric, who lived an uneventful life in a minor ecclesiastical order for seventy years.

    Or a chipmunk. Chipmunks are cool.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Why is it that nobody was ever a faceless peasant in a past life? Everybody's a hotshot pilot or Indian chief or Atlantean High Priestess or some shit like that.

    (And yes, I know the actual answer, I just think it's funny)

    If I ever find myself in a conversation with somebody who believes in past life regression, I'll probably contribute a mundane made-up life like that: Peter the farm hand, who lived on an estate until he died of cholera at age thirty-two, or John the cleric, who lived an uneventful life in a minor ecclesiastical order for seventy years.

    Or a chipmunk. Chipmunks are cool.
    Or a butterfly that no one suspected.
    Playing Devil's Advocate here for a moment, what if it's some kind of genetic memory?
    That is even more impossible.

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Harrier wrote: »
    Playing Devil's Advocate here for a moment, what if it's some kind of genetic memory?

    I mean, I've been playing Assassin's Creed again lately, and I can't help but notice a faint similarity.

    A faint similarity between what? This nonsense and that nonsense?

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    When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
    'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
  • CorbiusCorbius Shepard Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Sentry wrote: »
    Harrier wrote: »
    Playing Devil's Advocate here for a moment, what if it's some kind of genetic memory?

    I mean, I've been playing Assassin's Creed again lately, and I can't help but notice a faint similarity.

    A faint similarity between what? This nonsense and that nonsense?

    So, this news post and thread are actually the viral start of an ARG for Assassin's Creed 2?

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  • HarrierHarrier The Star Spangled Man Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Corbius wrote: »
    Sentry wrote: »
    Harrier wrote: »
    Playing Devil's Advocate here for a moment, what if it's some kind of genetic memory?

    I mean, I've been playing Assassin's Creed again lately, and I can't help but notice a faint similarity.

    A faint similarity between what? This nonsense and that nonsense?

    So, this news post and thread are actually the viral start of an ARG for Assassin's Creed 2?
    I certainly hope so.

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  • NeadenNeaden Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    In India where belief in past lives is more common, especially in rural areas, this sort of thing happens all the time. If a small child starts behaving oddly they very frequently attribute it to a past life. One odd thing about this is it begins to act as a sort of a saftey net in the society. One instance I read about had a man who died several years before and small child who was believed to be his reincarnation. Since the widow was quite poor the parents of the small child felt it was their duty to help her and her children out, since she was now part of their family.

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    edited April 2009
    Neaden wrote: »
    In India where belief in past lives is more common, especially in rural areas, this sort of thing happens all the time. If a small child starts behaving oddly they very frequently attribute it to a past life.

    In areas where belief in demons is more common, especially in rural areas, this sort of thing happens all the time. If a small child starts behaving oddly, they very frequently attribute it to demonic possession.

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    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • StarcrossStarcross Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Feral wrote: »
    Neaden wrote: »
    In India where belief in past lives is more common, especially in rural areas, this sort of thing happens all the time. If a small child starts behaving oddly they very frequently attribute it to a past life. One odd thing about this is it begins to act as a sort of a saftey net in the society. One instance I read about had a man who died several years before and small child who was believed to be his reincarnation. Since the widow was quite poor the parents of the small child felt it was their duty to help her and her children out, since she was now part of their family.

    In areas where belief in demons is more common, especially in rural areas, this sort of thing happens all the time. If a small child starts behaving oddly, they very frequently attribute it to demonic possession.

    Or having been stolen by the fairies and replaced with a changeling.

    Edit: Though that's not as common as it used to be.

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  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Yeah, I actually believe in (something not exactly like but we don't have a term for it any better than) reincarnation.

    I still think this is silly.

    Feral on
    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Starcross wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Neaden wrote: »
    In India where belief in past lives is more common, especially in rural areas, this sort of thing happens all the time. If a small child starts behaving oddly they very frequently attribute it to a past life. One odd thing about this is it begins to act as a sort of a saftey net in the society. One instance I read about had a man who died several years before and small child who was believed to be his reincarnation. Since the widow was quite poor the parents of the small child felt it was their duty to help her and her children out, since she was now part of their family.

    In areas where belief in demons is more common, especially in rural areas, this sort of thing happens all the time. If a small child starts behaving oddly, they very frequently attribute it to demonic possession.

    Or having been stolen by the fairies and replaced with a changeling.

    Or they kill the nearest old woman for being a witch.

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    wrote:
    When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
    'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
  • GnastyGnasty Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Sentry wrote: »
    Starcross wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Neaden wrote: »
    In India where belief in past lives is more common, especially in rural areas, this sort of thing happens all the time. If a small child starts behaving oddly they very frequently attribute it to a past life. One odd thing about this is it begins to act as a sort of a saftey net in the society. One instance I read about had a man who died several years before and small child who was believed to be his reincarnation. Since the widow was quite poor the parents of the small child felt it was their duty to help her and her children out, since she was now part of their family.

    In areas where belief in demons is more common, especially in rural areas, this sort of thing happens all the time. If a small child starts behaving oddly, they very frequently attribute it to demonic possession.

    Or having been stolen by the fairies and replaced with a changeling.

    Or they kill the nearest old woman for being a witch.

    enlightened countries miss out on so much fun

    Gnasty on
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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Gnasty wrote: »
    Sentry wrote: »
    Starcross wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Neaden wrote: »
    In India where belief in past lives is more common, especially in rural areas, this sort of thing happens all the time. If a small child starts behaving oddly they very frequently attribute it to a past life. One odd thing about this is it begins to act as a sort of a saftey net in the society. One instance I read about had a man who died several years before and small child who was believed to be his reincarnation. Since the widow was quite poor the parents of the small child felt it was their duty to help her and her children out, since she was now part of their family.

    In areas where belief in demons is more common, especially in rural areas, this sort of thing happens all the time. If a small child starts behaving oddly, they very frequently attribute it to demonic possession.

    Or having been stolen by the fairies and replaced with a changeling.

    Or they kill the nearest old woman for being a witch.

    enlightened countries miss out on so much fun
    Not always.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_ritual_abuse
    The panic was based on reports from children and adults using therapeutic and questioning techniques now considered illegitimate, with initial publicity generated by the discredited autobiography Michelle Remembers, and sustained and popularized by interest in the McMartin preschool trial. Testimonials, symptom lists, rumors and techniques to investigate or uncover memories of SRA were disseminated through professional, popular and religious conferences, as well as through the attention of sensationalist talk shows, sustaining and spreading the moral panic further throughout the United States and beyond. In some cases allegations resulted in criminal trials with varying results; after seven years in court, the iconic McMartin trial resulted in no convictions for any accused, while other cases resulted in lengthy sentences.

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  • NeadenNeaden Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Oh, sorry if I was being unclear, I don't actually think reincarnation happens. I was just trying to place this in a broader social context. The evidence that the investigators collect is very circumstantial and the families never contact the investigators first meaning they generally hear the stuff second or third hand. I just think that the idea of it being a social net might help to explain how the belief became more widespread.

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