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Hypothetical Question: Alien Utopia

GlyphGlyph Registered User regular
edited April 2009 in Debate and/or Discourse
Say an alien species invades Earth but not a single shot is fired. They have teleportation technology that allows them to send forces anywhere on the planet so they're quickly able to neutralize our command structure and military arsenal before we even have time to respond. They don't harm any of us or even enslave us; in fact we're allowed freedom of thought and expression and they even offer advances in science and technology that give us unlimited resources and the means to explore outside of our planet as well as clinical immortality so that we never have to age or fear starvation or sickness or overpopulation.

Their only terms are that we advance under their guidance. This means those of us who accept their offer are not allowed to commit acts of physical violence against any forms of life higher than plants or insects ever again since we can now molecularly replicate any meal of our choosing. The exception is when mutual consent for violence is given by the individuals involved, such as in sports, martial arts, mating rituals, etc. Of course we would not be allowed to weaponize any of their advanced technology and all tools where lethality is considered their primary function would be dismantled. For instance, hammers would be allowed but not handguns. To ensure that no one is ever harmed, all activity on Earth will be monitored closely until such time that the aliens are convinced we're able to control our violent nature. What this means is you still retain the right to privacy from your fellow human beings but not from the aliens.
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The question is would you accept their rule, knowing that unlimited resources means no more economic classes, that you would have to find new ways to compete and that we could only commit violence under special circumstances or in simulated/virtual environments? And if you no longer have to work to live, what would you do with your time? Depending on how you look at it, this either means giving up a part of your identity or incorporating a new one. Because I know plenty of people who would fight an occupation, however benign it might be. For some, the lack of privacy alone and restrictions on weapons is enough to set them off. And if you choose to resist, how would you do it?

Also bear in mind that this would change overall the course of our evolutionary development. It would be terrestrial evolution + extraterrestrial intervention. This is arguably a moot point but could you live with that or would pride/suspicion get in the way? Would you wonder how much more our species might have become without outside help? It's certainly a tempting offer and if you refused to take it, you would be left alone to watch everyone else who accepts the alien's terms ascend. How strongly do your notions of sovereignty and national/regional identity weigh against this prospect?

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  • BamaBama Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I for one wel-

    wait, what?

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  • mxmarksmxmarks Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Once the aliens landed we'd have about 4 hours before someone either kills one or has sex with one, and then they blow up Earth/

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Wait, I don't have to work and get to use virtual realities to my own whim?

    Where do I sign up?

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  • CycloneRangerCycloneRanger Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I'm not sure I know anyone who'd even have to think about this. If they'll let us in on the secret to faster-than-light travel they're welcome to rule here. I'd gladly sell the Earth for the technology to leave it.

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  • CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I'm all for being free from the shackles of The Conservation of Matter and Energy. Fuck that shit.

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  • mxmarksmxmarks Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Ok, now how about this.

    You can either be the top scientist in your field, or you can have mad cow disease. What do you choose?

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    mxmarks wrote: »
    Once the aliens landed we'd have about 4 hours before someone either kills one or has sex with one, and then they blow up Earth/

    You mean kills and then have sex with one?

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    So basically, in exchange for war, pestilence, disease, and other forms of death and misery I get infinite energy and maybe even alien sex?

    Fuck yeah.

    Quid on
  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    mxmarks wrote: »
    Ok, now how about this.

    You can either be the top scientist in your field, or you can have mad cow disease. What do you choose?
    Does the mad cow disease come in a delicious steak with my choice of sides?
    Couscous wrote: »
    mxmarks wrote: »
    Once the aliens landed we'd have about 4 hours before someone either kills one or has sex with one, and then they blow up Earth/
    You mean kills and then have sex with one?
    Only if they land in Alabama.

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Hate to spoil it for you guys, but "To Serve Man" is a cookbook.

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  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I'd bristle irrationally, due to my fear that my intellect was being maligned. I'd demand a higher respect than I'd likely earned and when it wasn't afforded me, probably get myself all torn up inside for no good reason.

    Luckily, everything else in the entire world would be better, so I think overall it would probably work out.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    If I could get immortality, I would suck a thousand dicks if they asked me to.

    Couscous on
  • CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Hate to spoil it for you guys, but "To Serve Man" is a cookbook.

    I prefer How to Cook for Forty Humans.

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I take their deal, then turn their technology on them when the time is right.

    Seriously, there's no such thing as a trustworthy god who interacts with the world.
    Ahem.

    Quid on
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  • Toxic ToysToxic Toys Are you really taking my advice? Really?Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Couscous wrote: »
    If I could get immortality, I would suck a hundred thousand dicks if they asked me to.

    And free beer too. Sign me the fuck up.

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  • BloodySlothBloodySloth Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Are we allowed violent video games? 'Cause I'm not a violent guy, but if I don't get to mercilessly slaughter a bunch of alien hooligans as a 100 foot tall monster in Citizen Kabuto, that'd be a big fucking bummer.


    Likewise to the reckless streetcar rampages in GTA.


    Seriously though, I would accept it, but I don't know if I'd end up being happy about it in the long run. Privacy and basic human freedom is a big deal. This is basically altruistic subjugation.

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  • AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Quid wrote: »
    I take their deal, then turn their technology on them when the time is right.

    Seriously, there's no such thing as a trustworthy god who interacts with the world.
    Ahem.


    Cool article.


    Why can't humans ever accept that things could be perfect? Why do we need struggle?

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  • ToxTox I kill threads they/themRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Are their women hot?

    Are they?

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I'd get a ship that had the latest technology and could upgrade itself and so on, and then go off to a corner of the universe they don't control and do whatever the hells I felt like. Only smart, pretty people would be invited.

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  • ButtcleftButtcleft Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    mxmarks wrote: »
    Once the aliens landed we'd have about 4 hours before someone either kills one or has sex with one, and then they blow up Earth/

    I would put the sum total of three dollars and thirty seven cents on the fact that the first one to rape an alien would be a 37year old trekkie virgin who can not contain himself in the presence of alien breasts bristling with nipples.


    bristling

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Quid wrote: »
    I take their deal, then turn their technology on them when the time is right.

    Seriously, there's no such thing as a trustworthy god who interacts with the world.
    Ahem.
    The Culture doesn't hold things back though, which is the vibe I'm getting from the OP. It's the difference between say, being a part of civilization, and being a pet. The Culture also doesn't stage invasions of other planets - they meddle, they insinuate, they influence, but they don't invade. The Culture are like a less annoying, more awesome version of the Vulcans really.
    That we know of.

    There's bound to be some planets where shit was coming to a head to fast for them to try and be subtle.

    Quid on
  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Tox wrote: »
    Are their women hot?

    Are they?

    They are out of this world.

    I am not the least bit sorry.

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  • Mei HikariMei Hikari Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Insane xenophobic guy enlists and blows himself up 2 days in.

    Aliens blow up the planet 3 hours later.

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  • MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Bama wrote: »
    I for one wel-

    wait, what?

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Mei Hikari wrote: »
    Insane xenophobic guy enlists and blows himself up 2 days in.

    Aliens blow up the planet 3 hours later.
    That concept has always been dumb.

    Quid on
  • ToxTox I kill threads they/themRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Marathon wrote: »
    Tox wrote: »
    Are their women hot?

    Are they?

    They are out of this world.

    I am not the least bit sorry.

    That was a good show.

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  • Mei HikariMei Hikari Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Quid wrote: »
    Mei Hikari wrote: »
    Insane xenophobic guy enlists and blows himself up 2 days in.

    Aliens blow up the planet 3 hours later.
    That concept has always been dumb.

    The concept of blind racism?

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  • BamaBama Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    It seems like, in a post-scarcity society, scarcity would be pretty hard to come by.

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Mei Hikari wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    Mei Hikari wrote: »
    Insane xenophobic guy enlists and blows himself up 2 days in.

    Aliens blow up the planet 3 hours later.
    That concept has always been dumb.

    The concept of blind racism?
    The concept of "OMG, there's a crazy human that would kill us! We never could have foreseen this and now have no other option than kill them all!"

    Quid on
  • ButtcleftButtcleft Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    invariably there would be a human resistance.

    So the question is... how would they fight?

    gigantic mechanized robots that do kungfu fight in space with alien motherships?

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  • KrizKriz Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    half_life_2.jpg

    I would move along, Citizen.

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  • Mei HikariMei Hikari Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Quid wrote: »
    Mei Hikari wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    Mei Hikari wrote: »
    Insane xenophobic guy enlists and blows himself up 2 days in.

    Aliens blow up the planet 3 hours later.
    That concept has always been dumb.

    The concept of blind racism?
    The concept of "OMG, there's a crazy human that would kill us! We never could have foreseen this and now have no other option than kill them all!"
    You're assuming their morals/society are anywhere near ours.

    Maybe they view one alien life as worth 6 billion humans.
    Maybe they're a hive society who don't understand the concept of individual decisions.

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  • BloodySlothBloodySloth Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Mei Hikari wrote: »
    Maybe they're a hive society who don't understand the concept of individual decisions.

    Damn buggers.

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  • ButtcleftButtcleft Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Mei Hikari wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    Mei Hikari wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    Mei Hikari wrote: »
    Insane xenophobic guy enlists and blows himself up 2 days in.

    Aliens blow up the planet 3 hours later.
    That concept has always been dumb.

    The concept of blind racism?
    The concept of "OMG, there's a crazy human that would kill us! We never could have foreseen this and now have no other option than kill them all!"
    You're assuming their morals/society are anywhere near ours.

    Maybe they view one alien life as worth 6 billion humans.
    Maybe they're a hive society who don't understand the concept of individual decisions.

    Maybe the one that was killed was the forever queen, Who's reproductive tract was the only one in their species that was functional, thus by killing that one, you killed them all

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  • DuffelDuffel jacobkosh Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    The situation in the OP doesn't seem to leave a lot of room for resistance no matter how bad you wanted it, unless you want to be that guy in twilight zone/star trek episode/scifi original who yells something angry, lunges forward and gets vaporized.

    Duffel on
  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Mei Hikari wrote: »
    You're assuming their morals/society are anywhere near ours.

    Maybe they view one alien life as worth 6 billion humans.
    Maybe they're a hive society who don't understand the concept of individual decisions.
    They're communicating with us. Communication implies a basic understanding of us at the least. The first isn't likely since I would hope before taking charge of a planet they might spare the amount of time it takes to open up Google News to do some research of the planet they're invading.

    Quid on
  • JebusUDJebusUD Adventure! Candy IslandRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Duffel wrote: »
    The situation in the OP doesn't seem to leave a lot of room for resistance no matter how bad you wanted it, unless you want to be that guy in twilight zone/star trek episode/scifi original who yells something angry, lunges forward and gets vaporized.

    Given that our weapons would be useless anyway, why resist? Lets see, everyone could do and have anything they ever wanted or we could punch each other and hide inside. Clearly if they can monitor us all the time, the could do that now anyway, but without all the immortality and free stuff.

    Basically saying no would just be taking all the bad parts of it and rejecting all the benefits.

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