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Persona/SMT Discussion | The clock is ticking. Who will survive? [Devil Survival On!]

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  • avirataavirata Registered User new member
    edited June 2009
    Is there a way to connect a nintendo ds game to a system like ps2? Like gameboy games can go into the gamecube, can nintendo ds games go into gamecube or ps2? cuz i don't want nintendo ds but I really want a game from it, diddy kong racing. please help!

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  • GilderGilder Aw snap Macaroni PartyRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Rust wrote: »
    Gilder wrote: »
    Rust wrote: »
    Gilder wrote: »
    Still waiting for the game where he's the super boss. It will be glorious if they make him one and you fight him and he doesn't take it seriously at all, but he's still incredibly difficult. Then when you win, you realize it was all in your head or something because he was making you think you were fighting him. He can of course do that because he's fucking Igor.

    All flipping cards and blasting you with mega attacks

    never once getting out of his chair

    occasionally he waves a hand at you and does 500 points of physical damage

    This was actually pretty much exactly how the super boss of P3 played out, minus the chair.

    No Elizabeth would run up to you and bean you with her book.

    An Igor fight would involve as little motion on Igor's part as possible. Maybe he'd change which hands he was folding every now and again, or tilt his head a little.

    And his near-defeat stance is him gripping the arms of his chair, which should probably be enough to make the average Persona-user pass out from foreboding.

    Yeah she did the book bash, but it did do about 500 damage. I like to think that attacks would miss Igor by him simply waving his hand and the attack goes away. That helps with him not being able to move as he's stuck in the chair.

    See, this idea is a badass fight. This was what I wanted for P4. Instead we got the easiest super boss so far up to that point. Abaddon King is supposed to have a super boss, right? Anyone know how hard it is?

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Gilder wrote: »
    Rust wrote: »
    Gilder wrote: »
    Rust wrote: »
    Gilder wrote: »
    Still waiting for the game where he's the super boss. It will be glorious if they make him one and you fight him and he doesn't take it seriously at all, but he's still incredibly difficult. Then when you win, you realize it was all in your head or something because he was making you think you were fighting him. He can of course do that because he's fucking Igor.

    All flipping cards and blasting you with mega attacks

    never once getting out of his chair

    occasionally he waves a hand at you and does 500 points of physical damage

    This was actually pretty much exactly how the super boss of P3 played out, minus the chair.

    No Elizabeth would run up to you and bean you with her book.

    An Igor fight would involve as little motion on Igor's part as possible. Maybe he'd change which hands he was folding every now and again, or tilt his head a little.

    And his near-defeat stance is him gripping the arms of his chair, which should probably be enough to make the average Persona-user pass out from foreboding.

    Yeah she did the book bash, but it did do about 500 damage. I like to think that attacks would miss Igor by him simply waving his hand and the attack goes away. That helps with him not being able to move as he's stuck in the chair.

    See, this idea is a badass fight. This was what I wanted for P4. Instead we got the easiest super boss so far up to that point. Abaddon King is supposed to have a super boss, right? Anyone know how hard it is?

    No, but
    It's LUCIFER. It better be hard.

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  • GilderGilder Aw snap Macaroni PartyRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    That boss was actually what I accidentally spoiled myself on a while back. It's good to know that all I spoiled was the super boss, because I would've spoiled myself on that anyway trying to figure out how to fight it.

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  • Psycho Internet HawkPsycho Internet Hawk Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Dear God, Daisoujou in Noctourne is so horribly broken. I can only imagine how much it would suck going through the original version of the game without any fiends.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Gilder wrote: »
    That boss was actually what I accidentally spoiled myself on a while back. It's good to know that all I spoiled was the super boss, because I would've spoiled myself on that anyway trying to figure out how to fight it.

    It's really not that surprising. If anything, I would've been disappointed if that wasn't it.

    Still, I don't know how exactly it goes down, and I don't plan on finding out until I fight it.
    I would hope it'll be full fledged Nocturne six-winged beast of death.

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  • RustRust __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Gilder wrote: »
    Rust wrote: »
    Gilder wrote: »
    Rust wrote: »
    Gilder wrote: »
    Still waiting for the game where he's the super boss. It will be glorious if they make him one and you fight him and he doesn't take it seriously at all, but he's still incredibly difficult. Then when you win, you realize it was all in your head or something because he was making you think you were fighting him. He can of course do that because he's fucking Igor.

    All flipping cards and blasting you with mega attacks

    never once getting out of his chair

    occasionally he waves a hand at you and does 500 points of physical damage

    This was actually pretty much exactly how the super boss of P3 played out, minus the chair.

    No Elizabeth would run up to you and bean you with her book.

    An Igor fight would involve as little motion on Igor's part as possible. Maybe he'd change which hands he was folding every now and again, or tilt his head a little.

    And his near-defeat stance is him gripping the arms of his chair, which should probably be enough to make the average Persona-user pass out from foreboding.

    Yeah she did the book bash, but it did do about 500 damage. I like to think that attacks would miss Igor by him simply waving his hand and the attack goes away. That helps with him not being able to move as he's stuck in the chair.

    See, this idea is a badass fight. This was what I wanted for P4. Instead we got the easiest super boss so far up to that point. Abaddon King is supposed to have a super boss, right? Anyone know how hard it is?

    No, but
    It's LUCIFER. It better be hard.

    From what I heard it's not.
    He sics demons like Mara and Beelzebub on you beforehand, but he's going easy on you for the actual battle and says as much afterwards. You can apparently win the fight at the mid-sixties or so.

    Rust on
  • Psycho Internet HawkPsycho Internet Hawk Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    So is it feasible to go for True Demon in Noctourne on a first run-through?

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  • AroducAroduc regular
    edited June 2009
    Said fight on King difficulty.

    Yeah... lame.

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  • RustRust __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    So is it feasible to go for True Demon in Noctourne on a first run-through?

    Feasible AND recommended!

    The only endings worth getting in my opinion are True Demon and Freedom, because the former is fuckawesome and the latter's proponent is the only person left in the world that isn't completely insane by that point.

    Rust on
  • Zephyr_FateZephyr_Fate Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Rust wrote: »
    So is it feasible to go for True Demon in Noctourne on a first run-through?

    Feasible AND recommended!

    The only endings worth getting in my opinion are True Demon and Freedom, because the former is fuckawesome and the latter's proponent is the only person left in the world that isn't completely insane by that point.

    Rust was one of the people who convinced me to do True Demon on Hard difficulty in my first playthrough of Nocturne ever.

    Needless to say I was raped, abused, raped, abused, vicious cycle until I found the 4th Kalpa warp tunnel trick.

    Then I was raped, abused, raped, abused by the TDE boss over and over and over again.

    I lovehate you, Rust.

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  • XagarathXagarath Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    True Demon on Normal, by contrast, is perfectly doable first time around.

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  • cozy duckcozy duck Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    langfor6 wrote: »
    I also wanted to ask, what stats should I focus on in Nocturne? In P2 (both of them) I just pumped up Tatsuya/Maya's Vit and Tec and stomped everything. I think I pumped magic in SMT I and II as well.

    YMMV, but I went STR/MAG/VIT and mostly ignored Luck and Speed on my second run. I went balanced on my Normal run, which wasn't too bright.

    The problem with ignoring luck, at least in hard mode, is that you'll then end up getting back attacked all the time. Once you get third eye(was that the spells name?) things get better, but in the early game I wouldn't understimate it.

    Also, in hard mode, I would put most points in the first half of the game into VIT, as you really need all the health you can get, followed by MAG or STR. I personally prefer a magic build for most of the game (that is until I have Focus + Divine Shot). But physical can also work.

    Lastly, for whoever said that you'll have to grind a lot, that's just not true. First of all, grinding doesn't improve your stats a lot at all, so the only real benefit is being able to summon higher level demons. But that's not really necessary either. As long as you explore all areas fully and don't run away from battles too often (which won't happen anyway until you get trafuri) your level should always be more then sufficient for any situation, if you don't screw up your fusing that is.

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  • Zephyr_FateZephyr_Fate Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Xagarath wrote: »
    True Demon on Normal, by contrast, is perfectly doable first time around.

    I still beat Nocturne on Hard on my first ever playthrough for the TDE ending. It just took like 88 hours

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Alana just got Mabufula.

    Hahaha. Hahahaha. Poor bastards never knew what hit 'em.

    It does as much as Megidola

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  • SpeedySwafSpeedySwaf Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    EDIT: Nevermind, after looking around it's probably an advertisement for a music CD. Sorry.

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  • DebaserZbsDebaserZbs Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    So I managed to get the English translation of Innocent Sin and I am playing it as we speak. Anything I should keep in mind while playing? Any advice from the experts?

    Oh, and what the heck is "Magna?" Is that basically a Zan spell?

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    DebaserZbs wrote: »
    So I managed to get the English translation of Innocent Sin and I am playing it as we speak. Anything I should keep in mind while playing? Any advice from the experts?

    Oh, and what the heck is "Magna?" Is that basically a Zan spell?
    Use Fusion spells as often as you can, as they'll allow Persona mutations (gimme a minute, I'll look up a post I did explaining them in depth a while ago). It's also generally a good idea to stick an Emperor Persona on Eikichi fairly early on, so he can get a few TEC level ups. Airgetlam is...decent, and will mutate into Hotei who is a pretty good Fire Persona (and still gives out +TEC levels). Also, NEVER increase strength. Physical attacks are next to worthless. Up your vitality and your tec almost exclusively (if you have a Persona that gives VIT or TEC up AGI instead, but I usually have Tatsuya with a Persona that ups AGI)

    Magna is earth.

    Here ya go:
    Blackjack wrote: »
    KiTA wrote: »
    Seriously, is the whole Fusion Spell / Mutation / Rank (What's a Rank?) up thing that important to Persona 2? I was really struggling with it.
    Yes.

    Simplest first, Fusion Spells are just massively powerful and can end random battles in one round, and make short work of bosses.

    Ranks. A Persona's rank (1 through 8) can pretty much be considered its level, it affects its stats (a rank 8 pixie, for example, will have higher stats than a rank 4 pixie) as well as its skills (the aforementioned pixie will start with Dia, learn Garu on rank 2, Kotoludi on rank 3, Zio on Rank 5, Maha Garu on rank 6, and Megido on rank 8). A Persona's rank increases through being used in combat.

    Mutations can occur when a battle is ended using a Fusion Spell. They have a variety of results, the most common being an increase in stats, two ranks up (if the Persona is on rank six or below), and a Mutation Skill. Each Persona has a skill it can learn only through Mutation. The Pixie, to continue the example, learns Suku Kaja via Mutation.

    Mutation can also unlock an "Unknown Ability." These are more complicated (and, really, pretty much entirely ignorable). Basically, each Persona has a sort of "Limit Break," a special ability it can use when certain in battle conditions are met. There are six types altogether, with each type having two effects that vary based on the user's Compatibility. The Pixie is a Recovery Type. That means that when the conditions are met (the user has taken more than 3/4 damage) the pixie will either heal the user to full and remove all bad status effects (Highly Compatible) or just heal the user to full (Compatible), If someone with average or poor compatibility with a Lovers Persona (Maya, for example) is using the Pixie and takes 3/4 HP damage, nothing will happen.

    The last thing that can occur is a "Modification Ability Unlocked." Most Personae can become Personae of the Minor Arcana (Wand, Cup, Sword, Pentacle). If the Modification Ability is unlocked and you want to morph it, just go to the Velvet Room and you'll be given the option. To finish the running thread, a Lovers Pixie can morph to Cup Matsuo-Sama. That's because the Pixie is less than level 12, and all level 12 or lower Personae that can morph will morph into Matsuo-Sama.
    That is for Eternal Punishment. The only difference for Innocent Sin is that there aren't any "Unknown Abilities"

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  • DebaserZbsDebaserZbs Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Blackjack wrote: »
    DebaserZbs wrote: »
    So I managed to get the English translation of Innocent Sin and I am playing it as we speak. Anything I should keep in mind while playing? Any advice from the experts?

    Oh, and what the heck is "Magna?" Is that basically a Zan spell?
    Use Fusion spells as often as you can, as they'll allow Persona mutations (gimme a minute, I'll look up a post I did explaining them in depth a while ago). It's also generally a good idea to stick an Emperor Persona on Eikichi fairly early on, so he can get a few TEC level ups. Airgetlam is...decent, and will mutate into Hotei who is a pretty good Fire Persona (and still gives out +TEC levels). Also, NEVER increase strength. Physical attacks are next to worthless. Up your vitality and your tec almost exclusively (if you have a Persona that gives VIT or TEC up AGI instead, but I usually have Tatsuya with a Persona that ups AGI)

    Magna is earth.

    Here ya go:
    Blackjack wrote: »
    KiTA wrote: »
    Seriously, is the whole Fusion Spell / Mutation / Rank (What's a Rank?) up thing that important to Persona 2? I was really struggling with it.
    Yes.

    Simplest first, Fusion Spells are just massively powerful and can end random battles in one round, and make short work of bosses.

    Ranks. A Persona's rank (1 through 8) can pretty much be considered its level, it affects its stats (a rank 8 pixie, for example, will have higher stats than a rank 4 pixie) as well as its skills (the aforementioned pixie will start with Dia, learn Garu on rank 2, Kotoludi on rank 3, Zio on Rank 5, Maha Garu on rank 6, and Megido on rank 8). A Persona's rank increases through being used in combat.

    Mutations can occur when a battle is ended using a Fusion Spell. They have a variety of results, the most common being an increase in stats, two ranks up (if the Persona is on rank six or below), and a Mutation Skill. Each Persona has a skill it can learn only through Mutation. The Pixie, to continue the example, learns Suku Kaja via Mutation.

    Mutation can also unlock an "Unknown Ability." These are more complicated (and, really, pretty much entirely ignorable). Basically, each Persona has a sort of "Limit Break," a special ability it can use when certain in battle conditions are met. There are six types altogether, with each type having two effects that vary based on the user's Compatibility. The Pixie is a Recovery Type. That means that when the conditions are met (the user has taken more than 3/4 damage) the pixie will either heal the user to full and remove all bad status effects (Highly Compatible) or just heal the user to full (Compatible), If someone with average or poor compatibility with a Lovers Persona (Maya, for example) is using the Pixie and takes 3/4 HP damage, nothing will happen.

    The last thing that can occur is a "Modification Ability Unlocked." Most Personae can become Personae of the Minor Arcana (Wand, Cup, Sword, Pentacle). If the Modification Ability is unlocked and you want to morph it, just go to the Velvet Room and you'll be given the option. To finish the running thread, a Lovers Pixie can morph to Cup Matsuo-Sama. That's because the Pixie is less than level 12, and all level 12 or lower Personae that can morph will morph into Matsuo-Sama.
    That is for Eternal Punishment. The only difference for Innocent Sin is that there aren't any "Unknown Abilities"

    Thank you. You are a gentleman and a scholar.

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Oh, something else, just in case you don't know already. You can use any Persona that is within five levels above your highest leveled member.

    So, if Lisa is on level 20, you can make and equip your entire team with Personas up to level 25.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    SpeedySwaf wrote: »
    EDIT: Nevermind, after looking around it's probably an advertisement for a music CD. Sorry.

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    Why does P4 get the Velvet Chair? Slacker.

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    He gets it because he's the only cool one on there.

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  • DiarmuidDiarmuid Amazing Meatball Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I'm guessing this will be the best place ask.
    Does the first Digital Devil Saga have problems on software BC PS3s? I managed to get hold of a copy yesterday and it's only worked once for me so far.

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  • LoveIsUnityLoveIsUnity Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    According to the Playstation website (http://www.us.playstation.com/Support/CompatibleStatus), it should work fine. Of course, Silent Hill 2 is supposed to work fine on my 360, but it doesn't.

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  • DiarmuidDiarmuid Amazing Meatball Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I'd already checked the Sony site, it's a bit rubbish. Thanks anyway.
    It might be PAL specific problem, but there doesn't seem to be a PAL list anywhere.

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  • My Name Is LukeMy Name Is Luke Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Alright, I'm getting around to finishing Persona 3: FES and I have a few questions going in
    What Persona's should I be concentrating on getting? My current team at the end of December is: Hell Biker, Horus, Melchizedek, Cybele, Loki, Trumpeter, and Thanatos.

    Also, is there some other way of leveling other than grinding Tartarus? I've heard of some other place to go, but I have no clue how to get there.

    Geez, I didn't see any of that stuff with Ryoji happening at all. From the intro, I thought he would end up being a new Persona user; not the messenger of the end of the world. Man, I have a feeling fighting Nyx is going to be a bitch.

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  • eternalbleternalbl Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Alright, I'm getting around to finishing Persona 3: FES and I have a few questions going in
    What Persona's should I be concentrating on getting? My current team at the end of December is: Hell Biker, Horus, Melchizedek, Cybele, Loki, Trumpeter, and Thanatos.

    Also, is there some other way of leveling other than grinding Tartarus? I've heard of some other place to go, but I have no clue how to get there.

    Geez, I didn't see any of that stuff with Ryoji happening at all. From the intro, I thought he would end up being a new Persona user; not the messenger of the end of the world. Man, I have a feeling fighting Nyx is going to be a bitch.
    The other place was probably Monad, which is unlockable by completing Elizabeth's request to beat the reaper or is automatically unlocked on a new game +.

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  • YggiDeeYggiDee The World Ends With You Shill Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    There is another place for levelling, know as Monad. I believe it can only be opened in January, but I am unsure of its status in a NG+. Anyway! To open Monad, there is a very special requirement.
    You should have, or will soon have opened up Elizabeth Request 53. It requires you to obtain a Bloody Button. Do so.
    Am I too subtle? You gotta kill the reaper. You poor bastard.
    Assuming this has not destroyed your will to live, Monad will be opened on the bottom floor of Tartarus, behind Aigis and Koromaru. Monad will then proceed to devour you.

    Edit: Beat'd!

    Welp I might as well contribute something useful, so... Have you finished the Star S-link? If you have, get the final Star Persona, and its all good from there. Helel is a monster, and thats not even counting Armageddon shenanigans.

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  • My Name Is LukeMy Name Is Luke Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Ugh...
    I've ran into Reaper once by accident when I was around like level 30-ish when I left the game idle while doing laundry. He then proceeded to kill off my entire party in one turn and let me live out of pity. Hopefully my second encounter won't be as terrible.

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  • YggiDeeYggiDee The World Ends With You Shill Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    It is a futile hope you carry, but is it not all we have?

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  • eternalbleternalbl Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    At 70 or so, his hits probably won't kill anyone, maybe just if he hits a weakness.

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  • Bok ChoiBok Choi Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Diarmuid wrote: »
    I'm guessing this will be the best place ask.
    Does the first Digital Devil Saga have problems on software BC PS3s? I managed to get hold of a copy yesterday and it's only worked once for me so far.

    It works fine for me.

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Man. I really dislike the experience system in Persona 1. You either completely limit yourself by making half your team sit around doing nothing so the slowpokes can get experience, or you have one or two people on level 40 while everyone else is on 20 at most.

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  • CorporateLogoCorporateLogo The toilet knows how I feelRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    For the Reaper:
    Just grind up to level 82(I believe), fuse Helel and use Armageddon. Problem solved.

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    For the Reaper:
    Just grind up to level 82(I believe), fuse Helel and use Armageddon. Problem solved.
    No.
    Helel is 88. And if you're going to grind up to that level outside of Monad, it is going to take a stupidly long time and be entirely worthless because by that point you'd be able to kill the Reaper without it, anyway.

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  • XagarathXagarath Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Blackjack wrote: »
    For the Reaper:
    Just grind up to level 82(I believe), fuse Helel and use Armageddon. Problem solved.
    No.
    Helel is 88. And if you're going to grind up to that level outside of Monad, it is going to take a stupidly long time and be entirely worthless because by that point you'd be able to kill the Reaper without it, anyway.

    Instead
    abuse the auto-stun on thunder reign to keep knocking him down so he never gets a turn

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  • CorporateLogoCorporateLogo The toilet knows how I feelRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Eh, I was lazy and didn't feel like fighting him for real.

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    So you spent hours upon hours grinding instead? :lol:

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  • CorporateLogoCorporateLogo The toilet knows how I feelRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Blackjack wrote: »
    So you spent hours upon hours grinding instead? :lol:

    You're talking to a guy who spent 3-4 hours grinding levels to fuse a Beelzebub just to have 100% in the compendium in Devil Summoner.

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    We all do that. My point is you can kill the reaper in about twenty minutes with Thunder Reign and then get up to 99 in about half an hour in Monad, but because you were 'lazy' you spent hours grinding up to 88 so you could oneshot the Reaper. :P

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