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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    There's a difference between dudes who wear black masks and have swords and dudes who turn into bats, attain immortality by drinking human blood, and dissolve in sunshine.

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    RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009

    Oh yeah, and before I went to my first permanent duty station, I thought the US military was full of competent, hard working people who loved our country. Heh...

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    Premier kakosPremier kakos Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited April 2009
    KalTorak wrote: »
    There's a difference between dudes who wear black masks and have swords and dudes who turn into bats, attain immortality by drinking human blood, and dissolve in sunshine.

    And that difference is the former exist in the mythology of Japan and the latter exist in the mythology of eastern Europe.

    BTW, I should note that the black masks thing comes from the portrayal of "ninjas" in Kabuki theatre. In Kabuki theatre, prop handlers dressed in all black and the social convention was to pretend said prop handlers were invisible. So, when Kabuki plays had to portray mystical invisible warriors, how do you do it? Dress them all in black to convey that they are "invisible."

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    Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited April 2009
    Qingu wrote: »
    I thought Sigmund Freud's last name was pronounced "Frood."

    I thought this throughout college, where I pronounced it like "Frood" in class. I knew that most people pronounced the name like "Froid," but if someone asked me about it I would say that it's like how people commonly mispronounce Descartes like "Des-kart-tees" instead of "Day-kart." And that Frood was the proper, but uncommon, pronunciation.

    Turns out the only reason I thought it was pronounced like Frood was because of Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure.

    To this day, I'd still sometimes call him So-crates because of that damn movie.

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    HamHamJHamHamJ Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Pony wrote: »
    until i was like 14 i assumed ninjas were entirely fictitious

    that at no point was there ever, historically, people to whom the fictional ninjas of movies and video games were based upon

    my dad had and continues to have a giant boner for japanese cinema and so i was raised with samurai movies and the like

    and sometimes ninjas would come up

    but they would always be ridiculous mystical warriors and bullshit

    so i just assumed they were part of japan's mythical history

    it wasn't until i was a teenager and i got into an argument with a dude about Ninpo and "real" Ninjitsu that i did a little research on the subject and learned that while most of the portrayals of ninjas in fiction are entirely bullshit, there was nonetheless real people at one time on who the stories and stuff are based upon

    that was pretty weird

    Ummm, ninjas are entirely fictitious. Just because ninjas are gross exaggerations of dispossessed peasants turned bandits does not mean that ninjas are real. For example, Dracula is a gross exaggeration of a real life figure Vlad Tepes, but I don't think anyone here argue that vampires are real at all.

    This is debatable. The common idea of a medieval knight, for example, is really nothing like anything that ever actually existed. The doesn't make knights not real.

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    until i was like 14 i assumed ninjas were entirely fictitious

    that at no point was there ever, historically, people to whom the fictional ninjas of movies and video games were based upon

    my dad had and continues to have a giant boner for japanese cinema and so i was raised with samurai movies and the like

    and sometimes ninjas would come up

    but they would always be ridiculous mystical warriors and bullshit

    so i just assumed they were part of japan's mythical history

    it wasn't until i was a teenager and i got into an argument with a dude about Ninpo and "real" Ninjitsu that i did a little research on the subject and learned that while most of the portrayals of ninjas in fiction are entirely bullshit, there was nonetheless real people at one time on who the stories and stuff are based upon

    that was pretty weird

    Ummm, ninjas are entirely fictitious. Just because ninjas are gross exaggerations of dispossessed peasants turned bandits does not mean that ninjas are real. For example, Dracula is a gross exaggeration of a real life figure Vlad Tepes, but I don't think anyone here argue that vampires are real at all.

    This is debatable. The common idea of a medieval knight, for example, is really nothing like anything that ever actually existed. The doesn't make knights not real.

    This is what I was saying. The ninja myth and the knight myth are centered around certain costumes and skills - black masks, highly trained in stealth/fighting/agility; half a ton of plate armor, swinging around big swords, shields, and lances on horseback. The vampire myth is centered around supernatural abilities.

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    Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    there are a lot of misconceptions about the medieval period in general.

    the fact that we consider them "the dark ages" is telling.

    i work with a woman who has a PhD in history, who focuses on medieval history, and they are not nearly as backwards as we tend to think. For one thing, biblical literalism did not exist or something like that. At least not as we know it.

    there is also an underestimation of just how much training a knight or soldier would go through. english longbowmen trained so hard that their muscles in the draw arm were significantly more massive than their other arm, and their skeletons are distorted.

    also apparently longswords are purely stabbing weapons, and were never used to slash? that was a misconception i had from D&D.

    ninjas and samurai were not the only badasses.

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    Vic_viperVic_viper Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Macera wrote: »
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    Quite possibly the best comic strip ever made.

    Not this one specifically but in general.

    As a previous poster mentioned I too thought New York was north of Boston.
    Also I was under the impression that the pop culture of my youth was specific to my age group. For example that GI Joe was original to the 80's as was the looney toons. Also that it all came from the US. I thought Astro boy, Macross and all other foreign animation was American made for the longest time.

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    Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt (effective against Russian warships) Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Cervetus wrote: »
    For many years I thought sexism and racism were archaic and no longer practiced except by the occasional loon on Jerry Springer or so.
    I was 6 before I realized that the black family that went to our church looked different than anyone else in town.
    When I was young, I thought black people just had really good tans.

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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Cervetus wrote: »
    For many years I thought sexism and racism were archaic and no longer practiced except by the occasional loon on Jerry Springer or so.
    I was 6 before I realized that the black family that went to our church looked different than anyone else in town.
    When I was young, I thought black people just had really good tans.

    A guy a know once entered an elevator with his mother as a young child and a black man was in the elevator. He informed the man, "You're dirty."
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    darthmix wrote: »
    Okay, one that's actually embarassing: for the longest time I had it in my head that New York City was to the north of Boston. I have no idea why I thought that, except that I've lived in California my whole life. I didn't learn the truth until I actually visited both cities in my late teens. And somehow, in the subconscious part of my brain that stores my mental map of the United States, I still think New York is north of Boston.

    ...checks map. DAMMIT!

    I've been to New York. That's kinda surreal.
    ...

    Okay, so I read this post of yours and my first thought was "New York City is north of Boston." And then I went to Google maps and was like "Well, fuck me sideways."
    Wow I wonder how that happened.

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    matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    PantsB wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Cervetus wrote: »
    For many years I thought sexism and racism were archaic and no longer practiced except by the occasional loon on Jerry Springer or so.
    I was 6 before I realized that the black family that went to our church looked different than anyone else in town.
    When I was young, I thought black people just had really good tans.

    A guy a know once entered an elevator with his mother as a young child and a black man was in the elevator. He informed the man, "You're dirty."
    Aioua wrote: »
    darthmix wrote: »
    Okay, one that's actually embarassing: for the longest time I had it in my head that New York City was to the north of Boston. I have no idea why I thought that, except that I've lived in California my whole life. I didn't learn the truth until I actually visited both cities in my late teens. And somehow, in the subconscious part of my brain that stores my mental map of the United States, I still think New York is north of Boston.

    ...checks map. DAMMIT!

    I've been to New York. That's kinda surreal.
    ...

    Okay, so I read this post of yours and my first thought was "New York City is north of Boston." And then I went to Google maps and was like "Well, fuck me sideways."
    Wow I wonder how that happened.
    For some reason, 'Boston, Maryland' sounds like a real place.

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    JeanJean Heartbroken papa bear Gatineau, QuébecRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I used to think Pittsburgh was located in Québec.

    WHy? Because their hockey team is named the penguins and that sounds very, very french and at the time, their star was Mario Lemieux, a french guy. So put these 2 together and obviously Pittsburgh had to be in Québec in my young mind.

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    Vincent GraysonVincent Grayson Frederick, MDRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I remember wondering why having a girl blow on your penis was supposed to be so awesome. Little did I know that "blow job" didn't mean that.

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    RubberACRubberAC Sidney BC!Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Wow people really thought Narwhals didn't exist?
    That is uh.
    That's something.
    Also http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0719-02.htm
    article on bananas going extinct, by Bob Alison. I met this guy on the bus and he invited me to go to Europe with him

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    EvanderEvander Disappointed Father Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Qingu wrote: »
    I thought Sigmund Freud's last name was pronounced "Frood."

    I thought this throughout college, where I pronounced it like "Frood" in class. I knew that most people pronounced the name like "Froid," but if someone asked me about it I would say that it's like how people commonly mispronounce Descartes like "Des-kart-tees" instead of "Day-kart." And that Frood was the proper, but uncommon, pronunciation.

    Turns out the only reason I thought it was pronounced like Frood was because of Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure.

    To this day, I'd still sometimes call him So-crates because of that damn movie.

    We named a pledge Socrates this semester (because he is a Philosophy major who takes t a little too seriously) and since I happened to be the one officiating when names were given out, I pronounced it So-crates, just because I thought it would be fun to stick him with that.

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    EvanderEvander Disappointed Father Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    there are a lot of misconceptions about the medieval period in general.

    the fact that we consider them "the dark ages" is telling.

    i work with a woman who has a PhD in history, who focuses on medieval history, and they are not nearly as backwards as we tend to think. For one thing, biblical literalism did not exist or something like that. At least not as we know it.

    there is also an underestimation of just how much training a knight or soldier would go through. english longbowmen trained so hard that their muscles in the draw arm were significantly more massive than their other arm, and their skeletons are distorted.

    also apparently longswords are purely stabbing weapons, and were never used to slash? that was a misconception i had from D&D.

    ninjas and samurai were not the only badasses.

    The Terry Jones miniseries about this was amazing. Anyone with Xbox Live and Netflix ought to watch it.

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    EvanderEvander Disappointed Father Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Cervetus wrote: »
    For many years I thought sexism and racism were archaic and no longer practiced except by the occasional loon on Jerry Springer or so.
    I was 6 before I realized that the black family that went to our church looked different than anyone else in town.
    When I was young, I thought black people just had really good tans.

    I have still have trouble remembering if some people I've met were black or not.

    I was raised not to pay attention to race, I guess.

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    CervetusCervetus Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Evander wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Cervetus wrote: »
    For many years I thought sexism and racism were archaic and no longer practiced except by the occasional loon on Jerry Springer or so.
    I was 6 before I realized that the black family that went to our church looked different than anyone else in town.
    When I was young, I thought black people just had really good tans.

    I have still have trouble remembering if some people I've met were black or not.

    I was raised not to pay attention to race, I guess.

    Well, which of your friends listen to rap music, and have robbed you? Those are the white ones.

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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Evander wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Cervetus wrote: »
    For many years I thought sexism and racism were archaic and no longer practiced except by the occasional loon on Jerry Springer or so.
    I was 6 before I realized that the black family that went to our church looked different than anyone else in town.
    When I was young, I thought black people just had really good tans.

    I have still have trouble remembering if some people I've met were black or not.

    I was raised not to pay attention to race, I guess.

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    InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Evander wrote: »
    I have still have trouble remembering if some people I've met were black or not.

    I was raised not to pay attention to race, I guess.

    Or you were just raised to not pay attention. Oh!

    Is the Terry Jones miniseries about Knights or Ninjas? Because if its about Knights I'm interested, otherwise, not so much.

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    Cyd CycloneCyd Cyclone Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    I have still have trouble remembering if some people I've met were black or not.

    I was raised not to pay attention to race, I guess.

    Or you were just raised to not pay attention. Oh!

    Is the Terry Jones miniseries about Knights or Ninjas? Because if its about Knights I'm interested, otherwise, not so much.

    He's got one about the Crusades. Actually quite good.

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    Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I remember getting The Talk when I was about 9 - from my mom, who was plainly uncomfortable with the whole thing, and did it very very technically, with old bio college textbooks and shit - losing my appetite, and just resigning myself to never having kids because sex is fucking disgusting!

    In my defense, sex actually is, mechanically, pretty gross (when considered objectively.)

    Edit: Oh, and one time, my dad let me watch an episode of Homicide: Life On the Street (I was expressly forbidden to tell my mom I had watched it.) The episode in question was about some little boy that got kidnapped, and during the interrogation room scene they repeatedly asked Grown Man if he'd had sex with Little Boy. I was so very confused.

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    InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Oh, speaking of sex, for the longest time when I was a little kid after having the talk I just thought like, the guy stuck his wang in there, and would just sit there for like, 10 seconds, not moving, and then would orgasm.

    First time I saw a porn I was like, "Gawd what is with all this thrusting and moving about?"

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    CervetusCervetus Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I remember getting The Talk when I was about 9 - from my mom, who was plainly uncomfortable with the whole thing, and did it very very technically, with old bio college textbooks and shit - losing my appetite, and just resigning myself to never having kids because sex is fucking disgusting!

    I remember telling my mom after she told me about sex that I was sad because I wanted kids but could never have sex due to it being so gross.

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    Casual EddyCasual Eddy The Astral PlaneRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    i thought whenever a cashier asked 'cash back?' it was free money, and I was boggled that mom would not be accepting free money so often!

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    EvanderEvander Disappointed Father Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    In my defense, sex actually is, mechanically, pretty gross (when considered objectively.)

    "Gross" really isn't an objective term.

    Sex is messy, maybe, but human beings are pretty damn messy to begin with. I don't see how sex is any grosser than anything else our bodies do.

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    EvanderEvander Disappointed Father Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Is the Terry Jones miniseries about Knights or Ninjas? Because if its about Knights I'm interested, otherwise, not so much.

    Medival England, in general.

    Each episode centers on a different class of person.

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    HaleskarthHaleskarth Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I used to believe that smoking pot was a bad thing.
    Then I smoked pot.

    .. On a completely unrelated note, I cant seem to recall any other things I may have thought...

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    Casual EddyCasual Eddy The Astral PlaneRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I don't know, I think the medieval period was still pretty shitty if you weren't someone born with land

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    ResRes __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2009
    I don't know, I think the medieval period was still pretty shitty if you weren't someone born with land

    Or if you got sick.

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    DukiDuki Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    I have still have trouble remembering if some people I've met were black or not.

    I was raised not to pay attention to race, I guess.

    Or you were just raised to not pay attention. Oh!

    Is the Terry Jones miniseries about Knights or Ninjas? Because if its about Knights I'm interested, otherwise, not so much.

    He's got one about the Crusades. Actually quite good.

    Fuck, remember the thing about one battalion of crusaders or whatever that was lead by a donkey?

    Shit fucking slew me.

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    cooljammer00cooljammer00 Hey Small Christmas-Man!Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    PantsB wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Cervetus wrote: »
    For many years I thought sexism and racism were archaic and no longer practiced except by the occasional loon on Jerry Springer or so.
    I was 6 before I realized that the black family that went to our church looked different than anyone else in town.
    When I was young, I thought black people just had really good tans.

    I have still have trouble remembering if some people I've met were black or not.

    I was raised not to pay attention to race, I guess.

    colbert_black_friend.jpg

    it's funnier when you read the article the black guy wrote about being an actor the Colbert Report had to hire because they didn't have any black people on the staff to be the guy who Stephen claims is his black friend.

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    TarantioTarantio Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    When I was little, we were going to my grandma's house, and I asked my parents what there would be to eat there, they would answer "fried snake lips."

    There would also always be shrimp at my grandma's house.

    I don't think I ever thought that they were literally fried snake lips, but I did think that's what shrimp were called.

    Also, I was raised catholic. My parents were never particularly strict about it, but we went to church regularly, and I sang in the choir. I was in middle school before I realized there were different sects of christianity. I just kinda thought the churches had different names.

    My older brother has a pretty good one- he called lawn mowers mawn lowers. He had never heard of lawns, mowers, or mawns, but he knew what lower was. So, obviously, a mawn lower is what lowers the mawn.

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    joshua1joshua1 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I had a parental attributed misconception, since they were damn liars.

    My father was a geologist, who spent alot of time in the jungles of Kalimantan and Sumatra looking for gold.

    He also has alot of scars on his neck.

    The story was that he was in the jungle with a dyak party, and as they were settling down for the night, a tiger stormed the camp and he took a glancing blow that ripped up his chin and neck. The rest of the story had him being stitched up by a witch-woman, and the gnarly scar was the reminder of the incident.

    I defended this story many many times, until one christmas when we were having a party with his geologist friends, and i told them the story.

    They looked at me, and then BURST into laughter.

    This story never happened. Turns out that the scars were from my dad running into a telegraph pole when he was young and stupid.

    The most unfortunate part was the fact that I was 14years old.

    Although, the geologist buddies did admit that every single part of the story besides the attack was true. They only heard the tigers at night, but never saw them. And there were the dyaks, and witch-women, but they didn't sew up any wounds.

    I was so angry at my dad.

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    KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Oh I know. I used to think that I was such an excellent speller in grade school.

    Turns out I remembered wrong. I came upon a 4th grade letter to my 'fouture' self that deflated that myth.

    Also I thought being able to read 'at a 12th grade level' in kindergarten was something special.

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    CervetusCervetus Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Res wrote: »
    I don't know, I think the medieval period was still pretty shitty if you weren't someone born with land

    Or if you got sick.

    Well sure, but that's true of most time periods across most of the globe.

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    theSquidtheSquid Sydney, AustraliaRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Kagera wrote: »
    Also I thought being able to read 'at a 12th grade level' in kindergarten was something special.

    Man, I know it seems funny now, being surrounded by like-minded people, but you're underestimating just how stupid the average person is. Considering how piss poor everyone was at reading in grade 6 when I was told I could read at a '10th grade level' in first grade or whatever, I still believed it.

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    variantvariant Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I thought Ligers (offspring of a male lion and female tigress) were just a myth until a couple of years ago, when I decided to look it up, they are very real.

    And cute as hell.
    http://www.virginmedia.com/microsites/take5/slideshow/realornot/img_4.jpg

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liger

    there's also a cross breed called Tigon, offspring of a male tiger and female lion.

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    WMain00WMain00 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Yeah. Some guy somewhere a long time ago no doubt thought "I wonder if i can get a lion to hump a tiger."


    And lo, a liger was born. AND WE BECAME GODS!!!

    MUAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

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    KalkinoKalkino Buttons Londres Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Zilla360 wrote: »
    Unicorns don't exist, but at least there are Narwhals! :P

    Edit: Beated! :(

    I visited the former Imperial Treasury in Vienna a whiles back and they had a whole collection of items that were prized posessions of the Hapsburgs over the 500 or so years they ruled. One of the items was a Narwhal horn, which they apparently thought (until the 19th century) was a unicorn horn.

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