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Vital Life Lessons (and how you learned them)
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Well it's annoying when they are just thinking yeah, I'd just ask for tests if the doctor didn't know what was wrong with me. If they run the tests and can't find anything then it's still not really their fault.
ummm i was under the impression that these were both forms of domestic violence...
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I do not dwell on it.
Some life lesson that I have learned and how I've learned it? learned through a moment of clarity that EVERYONE has a reason for being what they are. Weather they are batshit insane, abused or spoiled, (these are just negative examples, positive applies too) everyone has a REASON they perform the actions they do. That reason does not always justify the action, but to that person, at that time, be it through genetics or conditioning, did believe that action was justified.
The realization of this fact made humanity infinitely more tolerable. It is so much easier to objectively look at a situation when you understand someones reasoning, weather it is good or bad.
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While I largely agree with your posts so far in this thread, I am of exactly the opposite opinion regarding moral relativism. Learning that people in other cultures – and even your own culture – can have wildly different viewpoints regarding right and wrong is something that I wish a lot more people would take the time to do. There is nothing that makes my concept of morality any more-or-less valid than the ideas of the next person. Laws may enforce the majority moral view of a given society, but nothing makes something right or wrong. There is no universal truth of what is and isn’t moral.
If someone believes in a specific religion and they use that to guide their moral view that’s great, but they need to be aware that there are hundreds of other belief structures out there. No matter what religion you (I mean ‘you’ in general, not specifically you, The Cat) believe in or how fervently you believe it, the majority of people in the world do not share those beliefs. It is insulting, not to mention stupid, to dismiss most of the beliefs and moral viewpoints on this planet as wrong and inherently incorrect (and The Cat, I’m not saying you were doing that, clearly there is room for clarification around what I quoted and I assume that your message isn’t ‘fuck you if you disagree, I’m right’).
Personally I totally agree that DV of any type is offensive and unacceptable. However, I don’t get to legislate the morals of places it is acceptable. Every society – and person – gets to figure things out for themselves, and not everyone reaches the same conclusions.
Actually outside of the intertrons people almost always know exactly what I'm saying when I start talking either too fast or about things I don't know the proper names of and end up sputtering and gesturing. I think it's because I tend to know the right things to point at when saying "that thing" and "this whatsit".
Yes.
And some of them are wrong. There have been lots of unjust societies throughout history. The fact that they had their own process for coming up with something that appeared (at least to the people in control) to be "just" doesn't absolve them of erecting and maintaining unjust social structures.
Pretty much this. I mean, I get where he's coming from, but I've seen the concept of MR used too often to abandon responsibility to safeguard others from barbaric practices (for instance, FGM, or the expulsion/abandonment of surplus young males from polygamist cults). When I say 'moral relativism is bullshit', I'm not declaring that everyone ought to live like me, but that there are certain basic principles that society must follow in order to allow all of its members to participate in it, otherwise that society isn't sustainable or stable. I haven't exactly written a manifesto or anything, but those really aren't much more complicated than the usual 'do unto others' stuff.
Yeah I can agree with that. To me the key is allowing everyone to participate - they might come up with answers I don't agree with but that's their choice. This strikes me as acceptable moral relativism. When a warlord starts handing down laws and killing off anyone who disagrees with him (or her) it's hard to accept it as a functional-if-different moral perspective and not just the ideas of someone who likes being on top and aims to stay there any way necessary.
It's important to be gracious when you're right, and perhaps more important to be willing to learn and improve when you're wrong.
I learned this after a long spell of depression; I don't like bringing it up, because frankly, in retrospect, I'm flat out embarrassed over the reasons for it, but one day, I literally picked myself up off the floor and decided I was tired of feeling sad.
That was the day that I learned that your emotions are completely secondary to your willpower. You can feel anything you want, change the way you view and perceive the world, the way you act and behave. You just have to realize that it's all in your head, and you're the one driving.
Hi, my name is Pony, and on behalf of all folk who suffer from neurological chemical imbalances that result in emotional states they cannot control, I would like to tell you that you are flat out wrong and I hope that in the future you do not perpetuate this idiotic line of thinking.
Thank you.
Sadly, the vast majority of misdiagnoses is due to a failure of communication between the doctor and the patient. Patient history is one of the most important diagnostic tools and the doctor and the patient might as well be speaking two different languages for all the good it usually does them.
I think the quality of healthcare would drastically improve if people were taught on a basic level how to deliver relevant and accurate information during the patient history.
So, you weren't clinically depressed then. Gotcha.
Fuck off. I fail to see how MY life lesson can be WRONG. Instead, I'd postulate YOU are wrong, since you are incapable of following my advice. Which brings up another life lesson: Dickery begets further Dickery.
Except we have scientific data showing that your life lesson is wrong.
Another life lesson: scientifically-backed dickery is the most awesome dickery of all.
Listen, Houn, if you simply overcame your own depression through force of will and self-confrontation, good for you. I'm happy for you, chief. It's not a thing a lot of people can do, and it's something that is impossible for some people to do because they have actual medical conditions making them incapable of doing so.
But you said something rude and short-sighted and posed it as universal advice that applies to everybody, and then got pissy when someone told you were you wrong.
Grow up.
It is a bit of a pain to get out of there, I'll give you that.
I thought this was a thread for sharing life lessons we personally have learned. I recall nothing in the op, or in my post, that stated it must apply to everyone equally, only that we explain why we feel it was a lesson to us. If I have made a mistake in my understanding, I apologize, however, I do not beleive this is the case, and will be unable to verify for a bit, due to loss of cell signal.
Really, the reason I reacted as strongly as I did to your post is because as a dude who personally suffers from a serious psychological disorder, I find it endlessly infuriating when people posit the idea that emotional and psychological issues can simply be overcome by enough force of will.
I realize it is true for some folk, and that's great for them. But for a lot of people, it isn't, and it's a way of thinking I consider dangerous to espouse and somewhat insulting.
If that wasn't your intention, that's fine, but nonetheless that's why I reacted to it the way I did.
No, it was never my intent to belittle anyone, especially those that do have to deal with conditions like that; brain chemestry can be a tricky thing, and I've known a few people with varying conditions that require diet/medications to help control, and I can't begin to imagine how life-affecting it can really be.
That said, my point was that, in my case, I CAN change my mood by will alone, assuming I recognize the opportunity to do so. There was a poster a few pages back that stated "If you want your life to change, go out and change it." This is a similar concept, but instead of your life, I'm talking about your attitude specifically. I could choose to continued being riled up over this whole thing, or I can choose to let it go, because it's not worth the headaches that anger can cause.
No, this won't work for everyone. It does work for me, and hopefully, someone who reads it will remember it at some point, and choose to be a happier person, too.
I'm of two minds (lol) on the subject. There are quite a few real psychological afflictions where the solution has to be more than "walk it off" but I find that if you're not suffering from some sort of chemical imbalance, a lot of the time forcing yourself through your emotions is good.
I willed myself to not be shy. I willed myself out of a sadness in high school (I wouldn't call it depression, but it felt like it at the time). There is something to be said about putting on an act for a short time until the feelings become genuine. And I've never felt that I'm hiding any part of myself, I'm just becoming what I want to be.
I mean, getting out of the house and forcing yourself to do fun things while you're depressed is not BAD advice, it just should not be the only advice if you have a serious problem.
Sad isn't depressed.
If you could change it by really wanting to, it wouldn't be mental illness, any more than Crohns Disease could be cured by me thinking really hard about it.
I never really believed it, but it's proven time and time again. You may never forget the wound, but it won't be as painful. And if you disagree with this, you just need more time. And if you still disagree with it, then just wait some more. You can't beat me.
That really embarrassing thing that happened a long time ago that you hope everyone forgot? They didn't. And they tell it to everyone they know. Often. Because it was hilarious.
Ooooh, something else: Do not enter university while recovering from a mental illness! It's good for neither your marks nor your major selection.
I'll be fine, just give me a minute, a man's got a limit, I can't get a life if my heart's not in it.
Although, it's important to note, that therapy is effective at treating depression, and that, from what I understand, some therapy techniques include teaching people how to be positive, the importance of light exercise, and so on. So it's not entirely true that your methods of thought are irrelevant to your illness, and part of your illness can in fact be overcome by learning to change them. In addition, of course, some people will require serious medications, as I understand Pony to do.
Also, there's a big difference between actual therapy and passing advice to try to get over it.
Pretty much.
Even if you have some kind of mental or emotional disorder, if a definitive diagnosis exists for it then there is most likely a method of treating or at least managing it.
Might be therapy, might be a combo of therapy and medication, etc.
What is important to understand is that even in the case of severe mental or emotional disorders, there is usually a way you can get help.
The most important thing when dealing with any sort of depression or other difficulties in your life that might be psychological and/or emotional in nature is that if you can come to understand the problems themselves, you can start to understand why they are happening.
If you can do that, you can often take steps to try to find a way to deal with it. Maybe you don't need therapy, maybe you just need a little willpower and self-confidence. Maybe you do need therapy, and maybe you even need to be diagnosed by a doctor with a very real medical condition that needs medication to ameliorate.
There exists mental conditions and psychological disorders which are, currently, outside the realm of effective diagnosis and are difficult if not impossible to treat properly as a result. However, these are extremely rare and in most cases, even if you have a real medical condition causing your emotional state there is probably help for you if you can figure out you need it.
Fine, you win. I'll watch it on a tiny screen.
I know how you feel, but sometimes there's just nothing they can do. I have a problem that's been affecting me for ten years, getting worse and worse. It's ruined my career. Doctors don't know what causes it, it's not common enough to be profitable so there's no pharmacology. It sucks, but that's life.
Man those hairy palms can be a bastard.
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1. Do not judge others based on first impressions
2. Do not worry about how people judge you
This may seem obvious, but it bears saying. I am a white, American male. I understand that I am advantaged in countless ways in today's society. I also enjoy learning about history. But far, far too many times, I have been given the message, although it is never outright stated, that my kind are the dictatorial scum of the earth, and that somehow, that diminishes in some small way anything I could ever achieve.
I know about the Trail of Tears, of the spreading off smallpox to the native tribes, of slavery and Jim Crow laws, of the Japanese internment camps, and the limitations women face even in today's society. I understand that they are all terrible things. But I refuse to accept any kind of guilt for the actions of others. I will never allow myself to feel like less than I am, merely because people who have shared my gender, nationality, and skin color have committed atrocities.
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I'm afraid that was too condensed. I have no idea what you just said. I mean I have an idea, but could you maybe explain it out a bit more.
It was just a life lesson, it bears no expansion.