That's what I was thinking of. I thought it lasted longer than that, though. Even still, they had a pretty short duration and high mana cost, didn't they?
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Blessings had short duration, too. By the time you were done buffing everyone, it was time to start re-buffing.
I don't really know if it was a few weeks, or a longer period of time. All I remember is doing Ragnaros, and one of our shaman bitching about it (although I think Ragnaros was on farm for a while for us by that point).
Blessings were probably worse than totems, although both needed a lot of improvement.
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Gift of the Wild had a really low mana cost too, so you could buff the entire raid by yourself, without drinking. They really should have made the AI/Fort/etc buffs a lot cheaper.
I have no idea how such buffs compare now, except that gift and other group buffs actually buff the entire raid.
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It seems like since 3.1.1 came out, I've seen some odd occurances in instances. One really annoying one is in Violet Hold (Heroic at least), sometimes the portal guardians fall through the floor when they spawn. So you can't kill them and the portal stays open. Sometimes they seem to recover, sometimes it's too late.
The other night, I was healing a Heroic UP on my Shaman. DPS was about average (right around 1400-1500), but the pally tank was out DPSing pretty much all of them... granted, the pally tank was pretty well geared. Anyway, we get to Skadi, during the fight, despite all the DPS being ranged (two Locks and an Elemental Shaman), the DPS are all dead by the time Skadi gets down to about 30%. Pally tank and I keep at it, get him down to maybe 5% and it seems like we have it, when he Whirlwinds and just stays in place... very strange, but whatever. When he comes out of the Whirlwind, he has reset and is back to 100% health. The Elemental Shaman ankhs at this point and the other DPS start running back and we keep at him, the other Shaman lags during a Whirlwind and gets aced again. He really did lag too, even after he died, his body was sliding around on the floor and some weird stuff was going on.
Anyway, Skadi evade resets to full health probably four times before we *finally* fucking kill him. Probably did enough damage to him to kill him three times over. Ugh. I had popped a mana potion at one point, but really, I didn't think I could keep my mana going for as long as I did. It was pretty crazy.
Anyone else noticed any weirdness in game since the last patch update?
I've seen stuff falling through the floors in VH as well. At the time, people were having the same problem themselves when instance servers would lock up, kill people, and then they'd fall through the world at the graveyard. That stopped happening, so I assumed VH had stopped doing it, too, but I guess not. I heard about what you saw on Skadi, too - when he doesn't move during the whrilwind, have the tank run back in and eat it, when he pops out he should start meleeing the tank instead of evading, or at least that's what I was told works. That is provided you have a tank and healer that can handle that, and the DPS to make sure it doesn't happen a second time otherwise. Even when they're bugged, the easy answer to any heroic is to throw enough gear at the problem.
Malygos is also randomly dismounting people in phase 3. And grobbulus seems to be having the same targeting problem warlock Shadowflame does, in that the frontal cone on his slime spray can go over the heads of short targets and not actually hit them. Our gnome and dwarf tanks didn't spawn slimes, but if a draenei male was even a step in front of Grobbulus, they would. I think the lava waves on Obsidian Sanctum are fixed now, but at one point they would blink in and out of visibility, so if you hadn't learned the safe spots by the ground markings, you were pretty much shit out of luck for the fight.
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In VH, it's fun when one of the portal guardians gets stuck underneath the floor and you'll have an endless stream of trash mobs spawning from his portal and going for the doors.
In VH, it's fun when one of the portal guardians gets stuck underneath the floor and you'll have an endless stream of trash mobs spawning from his portal and going for the doors.
We spanked the last 2 bosses in H VH with one portal still open. Was funny.
Also, what's with the badmouthing of BWL? One of the games best designed instances. The only low point is the 3 bosses in a row that are the same damn thing.
Vanilla raiding; for me ZG (once they got rid of alot of the trash, and sorted out the token system you needed a degree for, to something not as horrible) was the best place to raid.
AQ 20 had some incredibly technical fights, and if your group wasn't up to par, you couldn't just brute force the last boss. However, on some packs, my rogue would just die, for no reason, in addition to the fact the place looked crap. All brown and grey.
re Ganking. I remember one evening, I was in Hillsbrad. Zoned into TM, and got repeatedly ganked by rogues in tier 2. I eventually got out of the place, to the area with elite dwarfs, teamed up with another guy, but we got nowhere, because an alliance paladin 10+ levels was hanging out there, and kept on killing us.
Went to the hillsbrad field area where another rogue in tier 2, and a druid in tier 2 were in stealth (a few corpse runs there). So I went up to the dalaran area, where another 2 rogues were. One took exception to me, and when I attempted to leg it using water walking, he chased me from that zone all the way to the UC.
In VH, it's fun when one of the portal guardians gets stuck underneath the floor and you'll have an endless stream of trash mobs spawning from his portal and going for the doors.
We spanked the last 2 bosses in H VH with one portal still open. Was funny.
We once had the first portal bug and did the entire instance that way. It was funny - kind of like VH hard mode.
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BWL at least made an effort to use different character models for the bosses (except for the three drakes). Molten Core should have been called Photoshop Core because of how many times they used the fucking cut and paste key.
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Oh, and AQ40 still wasn't super well itemized. They still hadn't really dealt with the idea of different armor sets for hybrids, so you ended up with stuff like http://www.wowhead.com/?itemset=496
Oh, and AQ40 still wasn't super well itemized. They still hadn't really dealt with the idea of different armor sets for hybrids, so you ended up with stuff like http://www.wowhead.com/?itemset=496
Conqueror's was actually one of the only sets that made sense, as it was pretty itemized for offtanking. The Genesis set comes to mind as an awful bag of awful. I still have mine stashed in my druid's bank.
Also, in this discussion of pre-BC raiding/challenge, there is way too little talk of Naxx40. Some of those fights mandated masochism for sure, but damn were they fun.
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The weirdly itemized sets for hybrids actually worked to some degree in vanilla, though only in PvP. I remember I had this really weird Balance/Feral PvP spec that worked really well exactly because of the strange "all stats and some spell damage" itemization on the dungeon 1.5 and PvP sets.
AQ 40 was pretty terrible with items as I recall. We ended up sharding almost everything that dropped in there until the later parts of the instance. It was all off-spec stuff. Back then having a feral or balance druid in a raid was a bit of a waste (which is arguably another flaw of those days, useless specs) so we'd get all this feral druid gear, or enhancement shaman gear, and it was mostly all trash, or at best a side-grade over BWL non-set items.
There were a few nice weapons though.
BWL was pretty well itemized, MC wasn't terrible after they adjusted the stats of items. They were all built towards raiding. That's why AQ 40 didn't make sense to me. You pretty much had to do MC and get that gear before doing BWL, and you pretty much had to have good BWL gear before doing AQ 40, and then you get in AQ 40 and you get a bunch of sidegrades, trash, and off-spec gear. And basically that place was entirely skipable and you could move right from BWL to Naxx if you wanted.
Oh, and AQ40 still wasn't super well itemized. They still hadn't really dealt with the idea of different armor sets for hybrids, so you ended up with stuff like http://www.wowhead.com/?itemset=496
Conqueror's was actually one of the only sets that made sense, as it was pretty itemized for offtanking. The Genesis set comes to mind as an awful bag of awful. I still have mine stashed in my druid's bank.
Genesis was awful, but designing a tier set for "offtanking" is retarded. There wasn't enough defense on it to MT anything, and the dps stats were worse off for item points being wasted on defense.
Though itemization for fury warriors for most of vanilla was pretty terrible anyway. Edgemaster Handguards were BiS until C'thun ffs - lvl 44 BoE mail gloves that at the time were +7 to axe/sword/dagger skill. That's it.
Oh, and AQ40 still wasn't super well itemized. They still hadn't really dealt with the idea of different armor sets for hybrids, so you ended up with stuff like http://www.wowhead.com/?itemset=496
Conqueror's was actually one of the only sets that made sense, as it was pretty itemized for offtanking. The Genesis set comes to mind as an awful bag of awful. I still have mine stashed in my druid's bank.
Genesis was awful, but designing a tier set for "offtanking" is retarded. There wasn't enough defense on it to MT anything, and the dps stats were worse off for item points being wasted on defense.
Though itemization for fury warriors for most of vanilla was pretty terrible anyway. Edgemaster Handguards were BiS until C'thun ffs - lvl 44 BoE mail gloves that at the time were +7 to axe/sword/dagger skill. That's it.
Fury itemization was awesome after BWL. There's a reason why rogues and other dps classes bitched about warriors topping the dps charts.
Don't remember what I used for gloves, but it wasn't edgemaster's. Fury warriors would often use leather items in place of plate. There was no reason not to.
I wouldn't say it was awesome. The only difference was fury friendly weapons started dropping (Nef axe, Qiraji Ripper, Bone Sundered Hatchet, etc). Edgemaster Handguards were the best gloves mathematically until the Gauntlets of Annihilation until C"thun, because of what they did to glancing blows.
Well, I was spoiled as an orc with axes so I didn't need to worry about that as much. I think I ended up getting gloves from the early part of Naxx 40 though to replace something leather I was wearing. And yeah, weapons were more important than any other single piece of gear for warriors, but there was still a heck of a lot of great stuff in BWL for fury warriors. At that level of the game, fury warriors were still the highest DPS class in the game. The only ones that would give us a run for our money were fully decked out rogues.
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Fully decked out human rogues using swords.
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The weirdly itemized sets for hybrids actually worked to some degree in vanilla, though only in PvP. I remember I had this really weird Balance/Feral PvP spec that worked really well exactly because of the strange "all stats and some spell damage" itemization on the dungeon 1.5 and PvP sets.
Blizzard didn't even know what to do with druids at the time. The original intent was a jack of all trades that kept constantly shifting between forms as needed to heal, melee DPS, caster DPS or whatever. So the gear had a horrible mix of each and every stat.
I remember wanting Maladath for my rogue so hard because of how awesome weapon skill was.
Parry be damned.
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I remember the horrible realization that edgemaster's were the best gauntlets for fury warriors in the game, and they still only sold for 40 gold because nobody knew this.
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The weirdly itemized sets for hybrids actually worked to some degree in vanilla, though only in PvP. I remember I had this really weird Balance/Feral PvP spec that worked really well exactly because of the strange "all stats and some spell damage" itemization on the dungeon 1.5 and PvP sets.
Blizzard didn't even know what to do with druids at the time. The original intent was a jack of all trades that kept constantly shifting between forms as needed to heal, melee DPS, caster DPS or whatever. So the gear had a horrible mix of each and every stat.
Yeah, whoever thought of that is a bloody retard and has absolutely no business working in the game industry.
I bet it was Kalgan, the cunt.
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I still want to drag out whoever designed molten core into the street and shoot them.
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I remember wanting Maladath for my rogue so hard because of how awesome weapon skill was.
Parry be damned.
I was the first person on the server with a Maladath, none of the rogues wanted it because they were all daggers haha.
So there's a fury warrior with a Maladath struttin' around orgrimmar getting tells asking what that sweet looking sword was.
I was also the first person on the server with the edge of chaos. Noth never dropped his axe for me, even though we killed him about 12 times before TBC came out.
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Ragnaros dropped his eye the one week I didn't show up for Rags in MC.
Nef dropped his sword the week after I was kicked out of Levi.
As the resident MS warrior, I would have been defaulted both of them (with a hefty DKP sum)
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I still want to drag out whoever designed molten core into the street and shoot them.
I don't know if it's just nostalgia (probably is because MC was my first raid instance) but it still holds a special place for me. Farming green FR gear to do the fire packs really sucked. Really that was the worst part, getting the gear to DO MC. And the ENDLESS trash. But the bosses were all really pretty fun. And there was room for mistakes from some people. Unlike today's raids which seem to be setup so that if one person dies it starts a chain reaction that wipes the raid. I always felt that that kind of mechanic was kind of cheap, but to each their own.
Ragnaros dropped his eye the one week I didn't show up for Rags in MC.
Nef dropped his sword the week after I was kicked out of Levi.
As the resident MS warrior, I would have been defaulted both of them (with a hefty DKP sum)
I never got an ashkandi. I really wanted one though, even though I was fury.
Edit: Funny story though, on our second ragnaros kill, he dropped a Spinal Reaver. Our guild used a dkp system where you don't bid, but items have a set price, and whomever had more total DKP won the item. Apparently two people declared to want the axe. An MS orc warrior, and a survival spec troll hunter.
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2H fury was superior to DW fury until you got some AQ40 loot anyway.
It's just that I raided with a bunch of retards and the only other warrior who knew shit about warrior DPS was the warrior who got the Sulfurion in my absence.
I never beat him on DPS again, but the fact that I came close apparently pissed him off to the point where he conspired to get me booted from the guild.
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2H fury was superior to DW fury until you got some AQ40 loot anyway.
I tried it, but never got close to the same results, of course some of that was because my 2h was the untamed blade, and my 1h combos were the Edge of Chaos, and something from naxx, a zone drop I think. So I was not only losing straight dps, but the axe bonus from being an orc.
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Like I said, AQ40 loot (or some stuff off Nef...like the edge of chaos). There's no way it would be close to it at that point of gear.
2H fury was vastly superior for a long while because you needed less hit to get your whites moving and that made up for the sheer damage difference of using 2 weapons over 1.
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Like I said, AQ40 loot (or some stuff off Nef...like the edge of chaos). There's no way it would be close to it at that point of gear.
2H fury was vastly superior for a long while because you needed less hit to get your whites moving and that made up for the sheer damage difference of using 2 weapons over 1.
Yes, that's true, especially after they changed slam. What was common at the time was putting in macros for gear switching before they put in the cooldown on weapon switching in combat. So I remember a time where, when you'd hit 100 rage on a spank and tank boss, you'd switch to a two hander and slam spam your rage away.
I also remember Spam-stringing leading to insane damage with 2h weapons. I'm sure you remember that too, but with a windfury totem in the area, you could spam hamstring like crazy because of the lack of cooldown and low rage cost and you'd get windfury procs like crazy.
There were so many clever ways to do damage back then.
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The thing I think I hated the most about 40 mans was the sheer number of tanks that you needed.
And not just tanks, but smart tanks.
You needed at least three to get past Vael consistently.
And of the three intelligent warriors in our guild, two of us were DPS.
So on Vael, every single time, it was us two DPS warriors that would tank first and then the MT would pick it up.
Because oh God those two offtanks were such shit
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You needed a lot of everything in those 40 man raids. But tanks were especially rough. I ended up having to carry a tank set for some of the trash pulls. Especially after you killed the first two drakes and had to go up that ramp, there were a lot of those drakanoids that needed tanking, and I remember you'd get a pull of 3 and each one required two tanks because they would shed aggro. So we'd have four tanks and a hunter kit a 3rd to vael's room.
Luckily our guild was overloaded with warriors, so we usually had between 4 and 5 for Vael, although it was 2 prot spec'd, 2 MS ,and 1 fury (me).
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Like I said, AQ40 loot (or some stuff off Nef...like the edge of chaos). There's no way it would be close to it at that point of gear.
2H fury was vastly superior for a long while because you needed less hit to get your whites moving and that made up for the sheer damage difference of using 2 weapons over 1.
Yes, that's true, especially after they changed slam. What was common at the time was putting in macros for gear switching before they put in the cooldown on weapon switching in combat. So I remember a time where, when you'd hit 100 rage on a spank and tank boss, you'd switch to a two hander and slam spam your rage away.
I also remember Spam-stringing leading to insane damage with 2h weapons. I'm sure you remember that too, but with a windfury totem in the area, you could spam hamstring like crazy because of the lack of cooldown and low rage cost and you'd get windfury procs like crazy.
There were so many clever ways to do damage back then.
I was alliance, no windfury totem, though I was designated pocket shaman for the guild 2H warrior when I was in that bleeding edge horde guild that one time.
The cleverest way to do damage as a warrior was to intentionally take non-lethal damage. I remember sticking in to eat one of Chrommy's breath when he was in execute range because I had a health pot and a few health stones, so I chugged all those and popped stoneform/zerker-rage/unrelentless-strikes, then went to town with my 100 rage guaranteed critical executes.
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Shamans had it worse. Didn't they basically spend entire fights just recasting totems at one time?
...well, except that period of time when all boss AoEs killed totems for a few weeks.
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Blessings were probably worse than totems, although both needed a lot of improvement.
I have no idea how such buffs compare now, except that gift and other group buffs actually buff the entire raid.
The other night, I was healing a Heroic UP on my Shaman. DPS was about average (right around 1400-1500), but the pally tank was out DPSing pretty much all of them... granted, the pally tank was pretty well geared. Anyway, we get to Skadi, during the fight, despite all the DPS being ranged (two Locks and an Elemental Shaman), the DPS are all dead by the time Skadi gets down to about 30%. Pally tank and I keep at it, get him down to maybe 5% and it seems like we have it, when he Whirlwinds and just stays in place... very strange, but whatever. When he comes out of the Whirlwind, he has reset and is back to 100% health. The Elemental Shaman ankhs at this point and the other DPS start running back and we keep at him, the other Shaman lags during a Whirlwind and gets aced again. He really did lag too, even after he died, his body was sliding around on the floor and some weird stuff was going on.
Anyway, Skadi evade resets to full health probably four times before we *finally* fucking kill him. Probably did enough damage to him to kill him three times over. Ugh. I had popped a mana potion at one point, but really, I didn't think I could keep my mana going for as long as I did. It was pretty crazy.
Anyone else noticed any weirdness in game since the last patch update?
Malygos is also randomly dismounting people in phase 3. And grobbulus seems to be having the same targeting problem warlock Shadowflame does, in that the frontal cone on his slime spray can go over the heads of short targets and not actually hit them. Our gnome and dwarf tanks didn't spawn slimes, but if a draenei male was even a step in front of Grobbulus, they would. I think the lava waves on Obsidian Sanctum are fixed now, but at one point they would blink in and out of visibility, so if you hadn't learned the safe spots by the ground markings, you were pretty much shit out of luck for the fight.
We spanked the last 2 bosses in H VH with one portal still open. Was funny.
Also, what's with the badmouthing of BWL? One of the games best designed instances. The only low point is the 3 bosses in a row that are the same damn thing.
AQ 20 had some incredibly technical fights, and if your group wasn't up to par, you couldn't just brute force the last boss. However, on some packs, my rogue would just die, for no reason, in addition to the fact the place looked crap. All brown and grey.
re Ganking. I remember one evening, I was in Hillsbrad. Zoned into TM, and got repeatedly ganked by rogues in tier 2. I eventually got out of the place, to the area with elite dwarfs, teamed up with another guy, but we got nowhere, because an alliance paladin 10+ levels was hanging out there, and kept on killing us.
Went to the hillsbrad field area where another rogue in tier 2, and a druid in tier 2 were in stealth (a few corpse runs there). So I went up to the dalaran area, where another 2 rogues were. One took exception to me, and when I attempted to leg it using water walking, he chased me from that zone all the way to the UC.
We once had the first portal bug and did the entire instance that way. It was funny - kind of like VH hard mode.
Conqueror's was actually one of the only sets that made sense, as it was pretty itemized for offtanking. The Genesis set comes to mind as an awful bag of awful. I still have mine stashed in my druid's bank.
Also, in this discussion of pre-BC raiding/challenge, there is way too little talk of Naxx40. Some of those fights mandated masochism for sure, but damn were they fun.
There were a few nice weapons though.
BWL was pretty well itemized, MC wasn't terrible after they adjusted the stats of items. They were all built towards raiding. That's why AQ 40 didn't make sense to me. You pretty much had to do MC and get that gear before doing BWL, and you pretty much had to have good BWL gear before doing AQ 40, and then you get in AQ 40 and you get a bunch of sidegrades, trash, and off-spec gear. And basically that place was entirely skipable and you could move right from BWL to Naxx if you wanted.
Genesis was awful, but designing a tier set for "offtanking" is retarded. There wasn't enough defense on it to MT anything, and the dps stats were worse off for item points being wasted on defense.
Though itemization for fury warriors for most of vanilla was pretty terrible anyway. Edgemaster Handguards were BiS until C'thun ffs - lvl 44 BoE mail gloves that at the time were +7 to axe/sword/dagger skill. That's it.
Fury itemization was awesome after BWL. There's a reason why rogues and other dps classes bitched about warriors topping the dps charts.
Don't remember what I used for gloves, but it wasn't edgemaster's. Fury warriors would often use leather items in place of plate. There was no reason not to.
Blizzard didn't even know what to do with druids at the time. The original intent was a jack of all trades that kept constantly shifting between forms as needed to heal, melee DPS, caster DPS or whatever. So the gear had a horrible mix of each and every stat.
Parry be damned.
Yeah, whoever thought of that is a bloody retard and has absolutely no business working in the game industry.
I was the first person on the server with a Maladath, none of the rogues wanted it because they were all daggers haha.
So there's a fury warrior with a Maladath struttin' around orgrimmar getting tells asking what that sweet looking sword was.
I was also the first person on the server with the edge of chaos. Noth never dropped his axe for me, even though we killed him about 12 times before TBC came out.
Nef dropped his sword the week after I was kicked out of Levi.
As the resident MS warrior, I would have been defaulted both of them (with a hefty DKP sum)
I don't know if it's just nostalgia (probably is because MC was my first raid instance) but it still holds a special place for me. Farming green FR gear to do the fire packs really sucked. Really that was the worst part, getting the gear to DO MC. And the ENDLESS trash. But the bosses were all really pretty fun. And there was room for mistakes from some people. Unlike today's raids which seem to be setup so that if one person dies it starts a chain reaction that wipes the raid. I always felt that that kind of mechanic was kind of cheap, but to each their own.
I never got an ashkandi. I really wanted one though, even though I was fury.
Edit: Funny story though, on our second ragnaros kill, he dropped a Spinal Reaver. Our guild used a dkp system where you don't bid, but items have a set price, and whomever had more total DKP won the item. Apparently two people declared to want the axe. An MS orc warrior, and a survival spec troll hunter.
It's just that I raided with a bunch of retards and the only other warrior who knew shit about warrior DPS was the warrior who got the Sulfurion in my absence.
I never beat him on DPS again, but the fact that I came close apparently pissed him off to the point where he conspired to get me booted from the guild.
I tried it, but never got close to the same results, of course some of that was because my 2h was the untamed blade, and my 1h combos were the Edge of Chaos, and something from naxx, a zone drop I think. So I was not only losing straight dps, but the axe bonus from being an orc.
2H fury was vastly superior for a long while because you needed less hit to get your whites moving and that made up for the sheer damage difference of using 2 weapons over 1.
Yes, that's true, especially after they changed slam. What was common at the time was putting in macros for gear switching before they put in the cooldown on weapon switching in combat. So I remember a time where, when you'd hit 100 rage on a spank and tank boss, you'd switch to a two hander and slam spam your rage away.
I also remember Spam-stringing leading to insane damage with 2h weapons. I'm sure you remember that too, but with a windfury totem in the area, you could spam hamstring like crazy because of the lack of cooldown and low rage cost and you'd get windfury procs like crazy.
There were so many clever ways to do damage back then.
And not just tanks, but smart tanks.
You needed at least three to get past Vael consistently.
And of the three intelligent warriors in our guild, two of us were DPS.
So on Vael, every single time, it was us two DPS warriors that would tank first and then the MT would pick it up.
Because oh God those two offtanks were such shit
Luckily our guild was overloaded with warriors, so we usually had between 4 and 5 for Vael, although it was 2 prot spec'd, 2 MS ,and 1 fury (me).
I was alliance, no windfury totem, though I was designated pocket shaman for the guild 2H warrior when I was in that bleeding edge horde guild that one time.
The cleverest way to do damage as a warrior was to intentionally take non-lethal damage. I remember sticking in to eat one of Chrommy's breath when he was in execute range because I had a health pot and a few health stones, so I chugged all those and popped stoneform/zerker-rage/unrelentless-strikes, then went to town with my 100 rage guaranteed critical executes.