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A Dog, a Mother, a Friend and Betrayal!

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    templewulftemplewulf The Team Chump USARegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    DHS Odium wrote: »
    Call the cops yourself, go over your mother-in-laws head. She might not like it, but it's the right thing to do.

    I think the right thing to do would be to demonstrate to this guy that he can't just take things and refuse to give them back like a goddamn kindergartener.

    On the other hand, it's not my place, and I don't have a personal stake apart from already hating a guy I've never met in person. I find it distasteful to step in and make decisions for her. Disrespectful, almost.

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    xa52xa52 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    templewulf wrote: »
    DHS Odium wrote: »
    Call the cops yourself, go over your mother-in-laws head. She might not like it, but it's the right thing to do.

    I think the right thing to do would be to demonstrate to this guy that he can't just take things and refuse to give them back like a goddamn kindergartener.

    On the other hand, it's not my place, and I don't have a personal stake apart from already hating a guy I've never met in person. I find it distasteful to step in and make decisions for her. Disrespectful, almost.

    It's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission. Especially when her puppy is home and licking her face and wagging his tail and happy to see her.

    If you don't get this dog back, for whatever reason, all 3 of you (you, wife, MIL) will regret it. Don't let this slip away. The sooner it's resolved, the better it is for everyone involved.

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    RikushixRikushix VancouverRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Exactly. This is why I said "don't give them the benefit of the doubt": the more time that passes, the more chance there will be for complicating factors to come into play. Increasing entropy. That sort of thing.

    Hell, the more you wait, the more justified that douchebag of a dad will be in saying that his kids are attached to the dog.

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    FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    If the MIL is the registered owner on the chip, the cops would want the MIL to file the police report in order to go collect the "stolen property."

    Edit: Also,.. the guy would probably "buy" your MIL a malnourished mutt. Don't accept his offer.

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    AydrAydr Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    More like don't accept his offer because pets aren't fucking interchangeable. They're living beings.

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    TrillianTrillian Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Sam wrote: »
    Rikushix wrote: »
    Sam wrote: »
    Every minute you spend not getting law enforcement involved affords these people more time to get the chip removed and implant their own.



    Don't give them the benefit of the doubt.

    Yeah because these people are dog-theft themed super villians. Also wtf? do you think there's some kind of illegal undergrounds vets running a dog chopshop?

    it's certainly doable at a legit vet if you convince them it's a rescue dog you found malnourished on the street.

    They're not supervillains but they are basically criminals.

    No it's not.
    No ethical vet will do that.
    They will contact the owners and negotiate the surrender of the dog, but they won't knock it out, split open the skin and track down a damn chip the size of a rice grain that could have migrated god knows where in the dog.

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    AydrAydr Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Yeah. That won't work out, if the dog's chipped, you should be safe.

    Doesn't mean you should wait tough.

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    FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Aydr wrote: »
    More like don't accept his offer because pets aren't fucking interchangeable. They're living beings.

    Well, I'm just going on the reasoning that the MIL can no longer have the dog, and they just want their dog back now cause the guy is a dick and wasn't supposed to have it in the first place.. they're just going to give it to someone else anyway. If the guy weren't such a dick and really wanted the dog, they'd likely let him have it--according to the OP.

    So yeah, a "replacement dog" would be a decent compromise if

    A) He wasn't a dick
    B) The MIL wasn't going to keep the original dog anyway
    C) The OP and his wife can't keep a dog
    D) They're going to give the original dog away anyway, but to a better family.

    From what I've read, B,C, and D are all true.. but it's just that pesky A.

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    RikushixRikushix VancouverRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Figgy wrote: »
    Aydr wrote: »
    More like don't accept his offer because pets aren't fucking interchangeable. They're living beings.

    Well, I'm just going on the reasoning that the MIL can no longer have the dog, and they just want their dog back now cause the guy is a dick and wasn't supposed to have it in the first place.. they're just going to give it to someone else anyway. If the guy weren't such a dick and really wanted the dog, they'd likely let him have it--according to the OP.

    So yeah, a "replacement dog" would be a decent compromise if

    A) He wasn't a dick
    B) The MIL wasn't going to keep the original dog anyway
    C) The OP and his wife can't keep a dog
    D) They're going to give the original dog away anyway, but to a better family.

    From what I've read, B,C, and D are all true.. but it's just that pesky A.

    Theoretically there could be tons of evidence to show that the MIL was going to sell the dog to someone the very next day...but that shouldn't matter, you could still build a case on the sole fact that it is still their property until they themselves sell it, and if they did do it themselves, they wouldn't sell it to that drunken father.

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    FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Rikushix wrote: »
    Figgy wrote: »
    Aydr wrote: »
    More like don't accept his offer because pets aren't fucking interchangeable. They're living beings.

    Well, I'm just going on the reasoning that the MIL can no longer have the dog, and they just want their dog back now cause the guy is a dick and wasn't supposed to have it in the first place.. they're just going to give it to someone else anyway. If the guy weren't such a dick and really wanted the dog, they'd likely let him have it--according to the OP.

    So yeah, a "replacement dog" would be a decent compromise if

    A) He wasn't a dick
    B) The MIL wasn't going to keep the original dog anyway
    C) The OP and his wife can't keep a dog
    D) They're going to give the original dog away anyway, but to a better family.

    From what I've read, B,C, and D are all true.. but it's just that pesky A.

    Theoretically there could be tons of evidence to show that the MIL was going to sell the dog to someone the very next day...but that shouldn't matter, you could still build a case on the sole fact that it is still their property until they themselves sell it, and if they did do it themselves, they wouldn't sell it to that drunken father.

    Yeah, I wasn't saying that weakens their case to get the dog back. I was just saying the whole "I'll buy you another dog instead" idea isn't as immoral as Aydr is implying with that quote.

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    RikushixRikushix VancouverRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Figgy wrote: »
    Rikushix wrote: »
    Figgy wrote: »
    Aydr wrote: »
    More like don't accept his offer because pets aren't fucking interchangeable. They're living beings.

    Well, I'm just going on the reasoning that the MIL can no longer have the dog, and they just want their dog back now cause the guy is a dick and wasn't supposed to have it in the first place.. they're just going to give it to someone else anyway. If the guy weren't such a dick and really wanted the dog, they'd likely let him have it--according to the OP.

    So yeah, a "replacement dog" would be a decent compromise if

    A) He wasn't a dick
    B) The MIL wasn't going to keep the original dog anyway
    C) The OP and his wife can't keep a dog
    D) They're going to give the original dog away anyway, but to a better family.

    From what I've read, B,C, and D are all true.. but it's just that pesky A.

    Theoretically there could be tons of evidence to show that the MIL was going to sell the dog to someone the very next day...but that shouldn't matter, you could still build a case on the sole fact that it is still their property until they themselves sell it, and if they did do it themselves, they wouldn't sell it to that drunken father.

    Yeah, I wasn't saying that weakens their case to get the dog back. I was just saying the whole "I'll buy you another dog instead" idea isn't as immoral as Aydr is implying with that quote.

    Oh, I totally agree, morally speaking.

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    templewulftemplewulf The Team Chump USARegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    This is a most dissatisfying conclusion.

    It sounds like she is neither going to get the dog back nor accept any kind of compensation. She says doesn't want to hurt the kids (whom she has never met), and she doesn't want to accept money from this jerk. My guess is that it's largely because she wants to avoid confrontation. What's weird is that she usually isn't a meek person; I think her illness lately has changed her outlook on these things.

    My wife and I are going to take her on some errands next Saturday. I'll try to talk to her about it then, but I'd rather not let the dog live there that much longer. Oh, well.

    Thanks for your input, everyone.

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    MimMim I prefer my lovers… dead.Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Can't you get the dog yourself? Bring a police escort and take the dog away from them?

    I mean, sure she was going to give the dog up anyways, but the dog is with a drunkard, who knows what kind of shit that dog is going through right now.

    SAVE THE DOG.

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    Dr. FrenchensteinDr. Frenchenstein Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Mim wrote: »
    Can't you get the dog yourself? Bring a police escort and take the dog away from them?

    I mean, sure she was going to give the dog up anyways, but the dog is with a drunkard, who knows what kind of shit that dog is going through right now.

    SAVE THE DOG.

    SAVE THE WORLD

    sorry...

    Yeah, unfortunately if your mom isn't willing to do what needs to be done to get the dog back, there isn't much recourse for you. My mom would probably react the same way, even though it'd be killing her inside. I'd be terrified the guy might beat the dog or something, since he's such a drunk. Cold as it may be, i'd rip that dog out of the crying kids' hands if my mom really didn't think it'd be a good home.

    you might call your local humane society. i'm not sure if they would step in, but they might do a look-see at the house and recommend the dog not be there, or whatever. he/she might end up god knows where if that happened though. (i don't think humane society sends dogs to kill shelters, but i'm not sure.)

    Good luck man!

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