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BalgairBalgair Registered User regular
edited April 2009 in Help / Advice Forum
Someone set me straight on this whole controversy. IS THERE CAFFEINE IN THESE DELICIOUS ORBS OF FRUITINESS? I hear yes, no, and "there's something that does the same thing."

What r teh truth?

If they do boost ya, can the same be said for apple juice?

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  • ThylacineThylacine Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    No, they don't. Just a lot of sugars. Their seeds contain cyanide though...

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  • mastmanmastman Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    don't worry about the seeds. stop scaring people

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  • ThylacineThylacine Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    What's the fun in that? :( And who's scared of an apple.

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  • MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Thylacine wrote: »
    What's the fun in that? :( And who's scared of an apple.

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  • BalgairBalgair Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Scenario: I eat the seeds.

    Result: ???

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  • BladeXBladeX Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Nothing happens. The body can break down small amounts of cyanide and therefore you would have to eat a ridiculous number of seeds to have any effect.

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  • MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Balgair wrote: »
    Scenario: I eat the seeds.

    Result: Nothing
    Snopes actually makes sense on this one - the seeds are meant to be eaten and "expelled." The outer coating protects the seed from being digested.

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  • korrianderkorriander Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I've been told that the process of eating an apple, between the biting and chewing and tasting and all, does more to waken the body and freshen the mind than two cups of coffee in the morning. I don't know who told me that or if there is merit to the statement, but it makes sense to me. The small amount of natural sugar in the apple is a plus, as is the 80% water content, and all the good vitamins and stuff. Far better for you than a shot of caffeine.

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  • RUNN1NGMANRUNN1NGMAN Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Balgair wrote: »
    Scenario: I eat the seeds.

    Result: ???

    An apple tree starts to grow inside your stomach and kills you from the inside out.

    Or that's what I always told my little sister.

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  • ThylacineThylacine Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    RUNN1NGMAN wrote: »
    Balgair wrote: »
    Scenario: I eat the seeds.

    Result: ???

    An apple tree starts to grow inside your stomach and kills you from the inside out.

    Or that's what I always told my little sister.

    No, you've got it all wrong! You turn into an apple tree.

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  • BladeXBladeX Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    korriander wrote: »
    I've been told that the process of eating an apple, between the biting and chewing and tasting and all, does more to waken the body and freshen the mind than two cups of coffee in the morning. I don't know who told me that or if there is merit to the statement, but it makes sense to me. The small amount of natural sugar in the apple is a plus, as is the 80% water content, and all the good vitamins and stuff. Far better for you than a shot of caffeine.

    and here I just ate an apple in the morning because I like apples. If there's any truth to this then that's awesome!

    QUICK! To the GOOGLEMOBILE!

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  • lifeincognitolifeincognito Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I am fairly certain that an apple only has fructose to help give you sugar. Granted it is natural sugar and meshes better with your system which helps prevent the 'drop' you may feel from candy bars/coffee/etc.

    HOWEVER. It appears studies done suggest that the element Boron may help with maintaining an alert state. As such, apples seem to have a substantial amount of Boron.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    korriander wrote: »
    I've been told that the process of eating an apple, between the biting and chewing and tasting and all, does more to waken the body and freshen the mind than two cups of coffee in the morning. I don't know who told me that or if there is merit to the statement, but it makes sense to me. The small amount of natural sugar in the apple is a plus, as is the 80% water content, and all the good vitamins and stuff. Far better for you than a shot of caffeine.
    I very strongly suspect the first part of your post is a giant load of crap. I know for a fact the second part of your part ("far better for you than a shot of caffeine" in reference to coffee) is a giant load of crap.

    One to two cups of coffee per day is fucking fantastic for you, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Not only does it increase your energy levels and help keep you awake, not only does it act as a catalyst for your metabolism giving it a boost, it's also full of the same chemicals that help out your heart that are found in red wine. Is an apple bad for you? Absolutely not. It's just good for you in different ways.

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  • KrisKris Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Thanatos wrote: »
    One to two cups of coffee per day is fucking fantastic for you, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

    Is this still true if you're too much of a pussy to drink it black? I usually use about a teaspoon of sugar per travel mug of coffee.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Kris wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    One to two cups of coffee per day is fucking fantastic for you, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
    Is this still true if you're too much of a pussy to drink it black? I usually use about a teaspoon of sugar per travel mug of coffee.
    Sugar is not great for you, but it won't counteract any of the health advantages of drinking coffee (other than it being calorie-free).

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  • theSquidtheSquid Sydney, AustraliaRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Thanatos wrote: »
    korriander wrote: »
    I've been told that the process of eating an apple, between the biting and chewing and tasting and all, does more to waken the body and freshen the mind than two cups of coffee in the morning. I don't know who told me that or if there is merit to the statement, but it makes sense to me. The small amount of natural sugar in the apple is a plus, as is the 80% water content, and all the good vitamins and stuff. Far better for you than a shot of caffeine.
    I very strongly suspect the first part of your post is a giant load of crap. I know for a fact the second part of your part ("far better for you than a shot of caffeine" in reference to coffee) is a giant load of crap.

    One to two cups of coffee per day is fucking fantastic for you, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Not only does it increase your energy levels and help keep you awake, not only does it act as a catalyst for your metabolism giving it a boost, it's also full of the same chemicals that help out your heart that are found in red wine. Is an apple bad for you? Absolutely not. It's just good for you in different ways.

    tl;dr Drink a coffee with your apple.

    Or conversely, eat an apple with your coffee.

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited April 2009
    MichaelLC wrote: »
    Balgair wrote: »
    Scenario: I eat the seeds.

    Result: Nothing
    Snopes actually makes sense on this one - the seeds are meant to be eaten and "expelled." The outer coating protects the seed from being digested.

    Except humans chew their food before swallowing it and the outer layer of apple seeds isn't that tough.

    The good news is, I've eaten apple cores, pips and all, since I was about 8 and have yet to die of respiratory failure.

    What do you mean that's bad news?

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  • SideAffectsSideAffects Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Thanatos wrote: »
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    One to two cups of coffee per day is fucking fantastic for you, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Not only does it increase your energy levels and help keep you awake, not only does it act as a catalyst for your metabolism giving it a boost, it's also full of the same chemicals that help out your heart that are found in red wine. Is an apple bad for you? Absolutely not. It's just good for you in different ways.

    http://www.longlifeclub.com/article.php?aid=518

    Although in this article he compares blueberries to coffee, I'd be interested in seeing if apples have a greater amount of antioxidants as well. I was a bit perplexed as to why you referred to red wine specifically, since the main reason people like referring to red wine as a "health food" is due to the resveratrol (sp?) content. As far as I know, coffee does not have resveratrol in it.

    I am not trying to disagree with you, Thanatos. If you were simply referring to coffee containing antioxidants, than you were 100% correct. However I would still recommend the above article about just how good coffee is for a person.

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  • Prester JohnPrester John Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Granted it is natural sugar and meshes better with your system which helps prevent the 'drop' you may feel from candy bars/coffee/etc.

    What? No. "Natural" sugar is no different than "unnatural" sugar.

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    This is fructose. It is a chemical compound called a monosaccharide. Whether or not it occurs in nature or is pieced together, Frankenstein-like, by a man in a white coat, if it has this structure, it is fructose. Your body doesn't care where it came from; your body will happily nomnom it either way.

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    This is sucrose, AKA table sugar. It is a disaccharide of fructose and glucose. Whether or not it occurs in nature or is pieced together, Frankenstein-like, by a man in a white coat, if it has this structure, it is sucrose. Your body doesn't care where it came from; your body will happily nomnom it either way.

    There are other sugars; we can go on, but I think the point is made. "Natural" sugar is not going to "mesh better with your system" than "unnatural" sugar; your body is going to process either absolutely identically.

    N.B.: This is not the same thing as saying that your body is going to have the same reaction to an apple that it has to a candy bar.

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  • rfaliasrfalias Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Can you use "...body happily nom noms" in a doctoral dissertation?
    I think that would be really awesome.

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  • LavaKnightLavaKnight Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I'm sorry, but I thought that the inherent difference in monosaccharides and polysaccharides were what causes the body to treat them differently?

    i.e. fructose in HFCS is considered a more "simple sugar," which is readily broken down and absorbed, and doesn't lead the the feeling of "full" in the body, while sucrose in, say, an apple, takes longer to break down and provide energy, and correspondingly does lead the body to recognize it as energy, and make the proper chemical impulses that lead to "full."

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  • Prester JohnPrester John Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    The short answer: not really.

    The slightly longer answer: in order to digest a disaccharide, your body needs to break down the chemical bond between the monosaccharides, expending energy in the process. So it's slightly less efficient to eat disaccharides.

    In practice? The difference between the two is next to fuckall. Certainly whatever minute energy cost there is to eating disaccharides as opposed to monosaccharides is not going to account for any difference in the satiating effects of either.

    The satiety you receive from eating an apple is from the fiber and water content of the apple, not the sugar content (the sugar in an apple is, by the way, almost entirely fructose, not sucrose). Likewise, the satiety you receive from drinking a glass of milk is almost entirely from the fat, protein, and water content of the milk, not the milk sugars (lactose is a disaccharide of galactose and glucose).

    In any case, none of this has anything to do with whether the sugars are natural or not.

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  • KillgrimageKillgrimage Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Thanatos wrote: »

    One to two cups of coffee per day is fucking fantastic for you, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Not only does it increase your energy levels and help keep you awake, not only does it act as a catalyst for your metabolism giving it a boost, it's also full of the same chemicals that help out your heart that are found in red wine. Is an apple bad for you? Absolutely not. It's just good for you in different ways.


    Whaaaat? Now I really wish I wasn't allergic to the stuff!

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  • GihgehlsGihgehls Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Where is galactose normally found? Sounds like something from an arcade.

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  • LintillaLintilla Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I'm not a doctor of anything, or a huge organic hippie but... it seems to me that apple juice is probably not nearly as effective as an actual apple, except maybe in sugar/caloric content. Even "100% apple juice" is processed, and probably concentrated and then turned back into apple juice, and it has got to lose or damage a ton of the good stuff in the process.

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  • Prester JohnPrester John Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Gihgehls wrote: »
    Where is galactose normally found? Sounds like something from an arcade.

    Found mostly in milk, though I think it forms part of the sugars in beets and a few other vegetables.

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  • TrillianTrillian Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Lintilla wrote: »
    I'm not a doctor of anything, or a huge organic hippie but... it seems to me that apple juice is probably not nearly as effective as an actual apple, except maybe in sugar/caloric content. Even "100% apple juice" is processed, and probably concentrated and then turned back into apple juice, and it has got to lose or damage a ton of the good stuff in the process.

    Apple juice, or apples for that matter, have dick-all in terms of nutritional content. They are mostly sugar and water.

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  • SamuelSamuel Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Trillian wrote: »
    Lintilla wrote: »
    I'm not a doctor of anything, or a huge organic hippie but... it seems to me that apple juice is probably not nearly as effective as an actual apple, except maybe in sugar/caloric content. Even "100% apple juice" is processed, and probably concentrated and then turned back into apple juice, and it has got to lose or damage a ton of the good stuff in the process.

    Apple juice, or apples for that matter, have dick-all in terms of nutritional content. They are mostly sugar and water.
    This is only true if you completely ignore the relatively high levels of vitamins and anti-oxidants and fibre present in apples.

    Also, I believe the reason "natural" sugars are often referred to as being better for you than say, sugar in sweets or cake or whatever is not actually to do with the chemical structure of the sugar itself, rather, the nutritional benefits of the food it's in. Sugars in sweets are empty calories and have no real use, and are actually a drain on your body to break down. Fruits, on the other hand, are full of all the vitamins and whatever else you need to break sugars down so that they don't really have any negative impact on you.

    Disclaimer: This is a dumbed-down explanation that my biochemist girlfriend gave me a few days ago that I'm probably not even remembering that well, so it may be a bit off.

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  • TrillianTrillian Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Samuel wrote: »
    Trillian wrote: »
    Lintilla wrote: »
    I'm not a doctor of anything, or a huge organic hippie but... it seems to me that apple juice is probably not nearly as effective as an actual apple, except maybe in sugar/caloric content. Even "100% apple juice" is processed, and probably concentrated and then turned back into apple juice, and it has got to lose or damage a ton of the good stuff in the process.

    Apple juice, or apples for that matter, have dick-all in terms of nutritional content. They are mostly sugar and water.
    This is only true if you completely ignore the relatively high levels of vitamins and anti-oxidants and fibre present in apples.

    Also, I believe the reason "natural" sugars are often referred to as being better for you than say, sugar in sweets or cake or whatever is not actually to do with the chemical structure of the sugar itself, rather, the nutritional benefits of the food it's in. Sugars in sweets are empty calories and have no real use, and are actually a drain on your body to break down. Fruits, on the other hand, are full of all the vitamins and whatever else you need to break sugars down so that they don't really have any negative impact on you.

    Disclaimer: This is a dumbed-down explanation that my biochemist girlfriend gave me a few days ago that I'm probably not even remembering that well, so it may be a bit off.

    Apples don't really have much in the way of vitamins, compared to, say, oranges, or any other fruit except pears. An apple contains 10% of your RDI of vitamin C, compared to over 100% in an orange, and 1% of your RDI of vit. A. So, bascally, dick-all. They do contain fibre, yes, but then again so does wallpaper.

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  • Prester JohnPrester John Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Counterpoint: Apples taste good.

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  • TrillianTrillian Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Touche!

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