Another depressing story to add to the already large pile: Homeopathy not curing what ails ya? How about some Jesus?!
Death by religious ignorance
Hodgkin lymphoma is one of the more curable forms of cancer — the 5 year survival rates for patients who are middle-aged or younger is over 90%, and for kids, it is over 95%. These results assume, of course, that the cancer patient is actually treated with modern medicine — neglect that, and all bets are off. You're almost certainly going to die of it.
Daniel Hauser is a 13 year old victim of Hodgkin lymphoma here in Minnesota. Doctors give him a 5% chance of surviving the disease, not because he has some particularly lethal form of the cancer, but because his mother is a religious fruitcake who who wants to deny her child treatment. Her reasoning is insane.
Hauser, whose son was diagnosed in January with Hodgkin's lymphoma, said conventional treatments such as chemotherapy conflict with the family's religious beliefs. She said they prefer natural remedies such as herbs and vitamins.
"Asked where she learned about the alternative healing techniques, Hauser said, "on the Internet.''"
If one of my kids was deadly ill, and I had a doctor who was telling me that she has a very good treatment, and she can tell me how it works, and she could show my statistics and clinical trials that backed up her claims, and on the other side I had priest waving his bible and telling me that it was a sin to treat the disease with secular medicine, but had no track record of success, and no solution other than vague claims of herbs from the internet, I would not be facing a difficult choice. I would commend my child into the hands of the person who had evidence of a 95% cure rate, without hesitation. There is simply something wrong with a parent who selects the 5% success rate over the 95% success rate, no matter what their motivation.
It would be easy to write them off as taking the Darwinian cure — that harsh statistical view that they'll simply be extinguishing their contribution to the gene pool — especially since Daniel Hauser is agreeing with his parents. But he's a 13 year old boy — no 13 year old is informed enough about medicine to make a good decision, and no 13 year old deserves to die of cancer because all he is given for treatment is "herbs".
And this is all about religion. What a sick, stupid, wasteful thing to die for.
"The Hausers declined to speak to reporters after Friday's court session. But Dan Zwakman, a member of the Nemenhah religious group to which they belong, acted as the family spokesman. He argued that this is a case about religious freedom, noting that the group's motto is "our religion is our medicine.""
Your medicine doesn't work, and it's going to kill a child. If you're going to equate the two, the reply is obvious: your religion is wrong and lethal.
Another depressing story to add to the already large pile: Homeopathy not curing what ails ya? How about some Jesus?!
Death by religious ignorance
Hodgkin lymphoma is one of the more curable forms of cancer — the 5 year survival rates for patients who are middle-aged or younger is over 90%, and for kids, it is over 95%. These results assume, of course, that the cancer patient is actually treated with modern medicine — neglect that, and all bets are off. You're almost certainly going to die of it.
Daniel Hauser is a 13 year old victim of Hodgkin lymphoma here in Minnesota. Doctors give him a 5% chance of surviving the disease, not because he has some particularly lethal form of the cancer, but because his mother is a religious fruitcake who who wants to deny her child treatment. Her reasoning is insane.
Hauser, whose son was diagnosed in January with Hodgkin's lymphoma, said conventional treatments such as chemotherapy conflict with the family's religious beliefs. She said they prefer natural remedies such as herbs and vitamins.
"Asked where she learned about the alternative healing techniques, Hauser said, "on the Internet.''"
If one of my kids was deadly ill, and I had a doctor who was telling me that she has a very good treatment, and she can tell me how it works, and she could show my statistics and clinical trials that backed up her claims, and on the other side I had priest waving his bible and telling me that it was a sin to treat the disease with secular medicine, but had no track record of success, and no solution other than vague claims of herbs from the internet, I would not be facing a difficult choice. I would commend my child into the hands of the person who had evidence of a 95% cure rate, without hesitation. There is simply something wrong with a parent who selects the 5% success rate over the 95% success rate, no matter what their motivation.
It would be easy to write them off as taking the Darwinian cure — that harsh statistical view that they'll simply be extinguishing their contribution to the gene pool — especially since Daniel Hauser is agreeing with his parents. But he's a 13 year old boy — no 13 year old is informed enough about medicine to make a good decision, and no 13 year old deserves to die of cancer because all he is given for treatment is "herbs".
And this is all about religion. What a sick, stupid, wasteful thing to die for.
"The Hausers declined to speak to reporters after Friday's court session. But Dan Zwakman, a member of the Nemenhah religious group to which they belong, acted as the family spokesman. He argued that this is a case about religious freedom, noting that the group's motto is "our religion is our medicine.""
Your medicine doesn't work, and it's going to kill a child. If you're going to equate the two, the reply is obvious: your religion is wrong and lethal.
saying that's why religion is bad is as stupid and ignorant as saying Mengele's experiments are why science is bad
this story isn't about religion, it's just about stupidity
It's a shame the doctors can't really do anything about it.
But it'd be awesome if the kid just said "Fuck you mom, I have cancer and I'm going to die."
Then went and got treatment.
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JedocIn the scupperswith the staggers and jagsRegistered Userregular
edited May 2009
I'm not sure even that would work, unless the kid went to a judge and got emancipated. If you're under 18, you don't have a great deal to say about your medical treatment.
Daniel, one of eight children, has asserted that treatment would violate his religious beliefs. The teenager filed an affidavit saying that he is a medicine man and church elder in the Nemenhah, an American Indian religious organization that his parents joined 18 years ago (though they don't claim to be Indians).
Another depressing story to add to the already large pile: Homeopathy not curing what ails ya? How about some Jesus?!
Death by religious ignorance
Hodgkin lymphoma is one of the more curable forms of cancer — the 5 year survival rates for patients who are middle-aged or younger is over 90%, and for kids, it is over 95%. These results assume, of course, that the cancer patient is actually treated with modern medicine — neglect that, and all bets are off. You're almost certainly going to die of it.
Daniel Hauser is a 13 year old victim of Hodgkin lymphoma here in Minnesota. Doctors give him a 5% chance of surviving the disease, not because he has some particularly lethal form of the cancer, but because his mother is a religious fruitcake who who wants to deny her child treatment. Her reasoning is insane.
Hauser, whose son was diagnosed in January with Hodgkin's lymphoma, said conventional treatments such as chemotherapy conflict with the family's religious beliefs. She said they prefer natural remedies such as herbs and vitamins.
"Asked where she learned about the alternative healing techniques, Hauser said, "on the Internet.''"
If one of my kids was deadly ill, and I had a doctor who was telling me that she has a very good treatment, and she can tell me how it works, and she could show my statistics and clinical trials that backed up her claims, and on the other side I had priest waving his bible and telling me that it was a sin to treat the disease with secular medicine, but had no track record of success, and no solution other than vague claims of herbs from the internet, I would not be facing a difficult choice. I would commend my child into the hands of the person who had evidence of a 95% cure rate, without hesitation. There is simply something wrong with a parent who selects the 5% success rate over the 95% success rate, no matter what their motivation.
It would be easy to write them off as taking the Darwinian cure — that harsh statistical view that they'll simply be extinguishing their contribution to the gene pool — especially since Daniel Hauser is agreeing with his parents. But he's a 13 year old boy — no 13 year old is informed enough about medicine to make a good decision, and no 13 year old deserves to die of cancer because all he is given for treatment is "herbs".
And this is all about religion. What a sick, stupid, wasteful thing to die for.
"The Hausers declined to speak to reporters after Friday's court session. But Dan Zwakman, a member of the Nemenhah religious group to which they belong, acted as the family spokesman. He argued that this is a case about religious freedom, noting that the group's motto is "our religion is our medicine.""
Your medicine doesn't work, and it's going to kill a child. If you're going to equate the two, the reply is obvious: your religion is wrong and lethal.
saying that's why religion is bad is as stupid and ignorant as saying Mengele's experiments are why science is bad
this story isn't about religion, it's just about stupidity
Hang on a sec, Dru. How is this families religious beliefs (relating to health remedies) any different than that previous instance of homeopathy death I mentioned earlier?
This particular family denied their child treatment by conventional medicine because their religion says that the same result can be obtained by natural remedies. That other family denied their child treatment because they thought that homeopathy would do the job.
If these peoples' religion has put them in this particular mindset, how is that not something to be angry at?
Why would you blame homeopathy for that previous death, but not religious beliefs for this particular instance? Anything that forces people in a mindset of abandoning conventional medicine is a serious detriment to society.
I can't help but be angry at that.
ArtreusI'm a wizardAnd that looks fucked upRegistered Userregular
edited May 2009
Because it isn't some nebulous concept of religion, or even most religions that is causing that bullshit. That is people being willfully ignorant and terrible. You can be religious without being those things.
When I first started posting here there was a 200 page argument on the existence of God hotter than a newborn star.
hey, you are going to be at neville's tomorrow right?
Unfortunately I have to work. With the trip to south america and going to vegas last weekend I was pretty much guaranteed to have to work this weekend.
Because it isn't some nebulous concept of religion, or even most religions that is causing that bullshit. That is people being willfully ignorant and terrible. You can be religious without being those things.
OK, I think that's a fair point. Thanks for the proper answer and for not just being a grumpy twat like Dru.
Daniel, one of eight children, has asserted that treatment would violate his religious beliefs. The teenager filed an affidavit saying that he is a medicine man and church elder in the Nemenhah, an American Indian religious organization that his parents joined 18 years ago (though they don't claim to be Indians).
I hate that mother so much. Of course a 13 year old is going to do what he was indoctrinated with his whole life. What a fucking cunt, and cult
When I first started posting here there was a 200 page argument on the existence of God hotter than a newborn star.
hey, you are going to be at neville's tomorrow right?
Unfortunately I have to work. With the trip to south america and going to vegas last weekend I was pretty much guaranteed to have to work this weekend.
When I first started posting here there was a 200 page argument on the existence of God hotter than a newborn star.
hey, you are going to be at neville's tomorrow right?
Unfortunately I have to work. With the trip to south america and going to vegas last weekend I was pretty much guaranteed to have to work this weekend.
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Nope.
I never thought it'd end this way. But I'd always hoped
What are you, gay?
Duhhh, there's nothing wrong with religion!
Your dream is to die while being pleasured by Neil Patrick Harris?
DEATH
this story isn't about religion, it's just about stupidity
But it'd be awesome if the kid just said "Fuck you mom, I have cancer and I'm going to die."
Then went and got treatment.
Sleepy Eye parents, teen fight to refuse chemo
no dublo is fairly fucking retarded when it comes to religion.
but he's an alright guy otherwise.
This particular family denied their child treatment by conventional medicine because their religion says that the same result can be obtained by natural remedies. That other family denied their child treatment because they thought that homeopathy would do the job.
If these peoples' religion has put them in this particular mindset, how is that not something to be angry at?
Why would you blame homeopathy for that previous death, but not religious beliefs for this particular instance? Anything that forces people in a mindset of abandoning conventional medicine is a serious detriment to society.
I can't help but be angry at that.
Unfortunately I have to work. With the trip to south america and going to vegas last weekend I was pretty much guaranteed to have to work this weekend.
Pour a little liquor on the curb for me.
I hate that mother so much. Of course a 13 year old is going to do what he was indoctrinated with his whole life. What a fucking cunt, and cult
This kind of religion? Yes.
Sure.
I mean, uh, Allah hu ackbar.
edit: The hentai would involve god and jesus
uh he's jesus christ