Actually, the default Evochron control scheme is a bit like Freelancer++.
Drag the cursor around and your ship flies to it, click to shoot, but with a lot more depth under the hood.
And the tutorial does a pretty good job of explaining things.
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GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
Played the Evochron demo last night...wow combat is kinda hard.
Do any Evo Merc players have a good control scheme for a dual analog stick? I can fly just fine but am not ready for fighting. Also, it won't let me map anything to the D~pad.
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GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
I might have to break out the Saitek X-52 for Evochron. KBAM just isn't doing the dance for me at this point.
Combat at first in Evochron is hard because your ship sucks something fierce. You really need to do some non-combat stuff at first to get enough cash to upgrade. I'd recommend upgrading shields to max as soon as possible, wings and engine should be upgraded some as well, upgrade your shield booster, buy a canon relay system (it increases the amount you're able to fire your weapon), and perhaps get a repair system (they don't repair very quickly but it's more for after a battle so you don't have to pay a ton of cash to repair), and upgrade your particle canon and buy/upgrade your beam laser. Use lasers to take out shields and switch to particles to take out their hull. Trying to think of any other advice, hmmmm. Learn to use the inertial flight mode, at least to be competent with it. It really helps to build up speed to outrun missiles and enemy fighters if you start to get overwhelmed. You could also change the base IDS speed by hitting 7 and 9 on the numpad, I just like inertial because with it I can fly away but turn around and shoot down incoming missiles without losing speed.
tl;dr upgrade yo shit and learn to use the inertial flight system
Doing races is helping me learn to fly normal. I'm on a gampad for fancy flying and use the keyboard as needed. Clicking the left analog stick turns off the IDS (anti-inertia thingy) and clicking the right analog stick is the after burner. I just won my first race.
I still need help with a good button scheme for it! Help me pretty plz
I use mouse and keyboard and I do very well so I wouldn't know anything about gamepads. You can look on the official forums, I noticed some people were discussing it there so maybe they'll be able to help you!
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GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
It'll take me a week to come up with a scheme I like on my Saitek...but I am gonna do it. Here I come random things like the hat button being mapped to transfer shield power.
I might have to break out the Saitek X-52 for Evochron. KBAM just isn't doing the dance for me at this point.
Please report back with your results, if you could! If I grab Evochron, chances are I'll be using the X-52 for it myself, and I'm curious how it plays. Some games that were designed with KBAM in mind feel a little unwieldy to me when I try to use the X-52.
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GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
edited January 2012
I actually realized I can't find the connector cable between my stick and the throttle. I think I lost it when I moved. I wonder if I can order it from Saitek? Or maybe it's just a standard cable type I could get from Radioshack? Gonna have to check when I get home.
I loved Freelancer to a point where it's one of my all time favorites.
X3TC had such a huge learning curve and such overly-complicated controls that I wanted to smash my monitor in with my forehead.
You must have had a pretty good grasp of it then if thats all the reaction it got out of you on your first time.
I don't see how people thought X3 had such a huge learning curve. I mean, there was a lot of stuff in it but it wasn't hard to figure out and I was trading and fighting and shit in no time.
I actually realized I can't find the connector cable between my stick and the throttle. I think I lost it when I moved. I wonder if I can order it from Saitek? Or maybe it's just a standard cable type I could get from Radioshack? Gonna have to check when I get home.
It looks like a standard PS/2 cable, but I'd need an actual example to confirm that. Assuming that's true, should be something you can find on Newegg or Amazon for less than $15, not sure if Radio Shack would have them in store or not (I suspect not), but their website should have them. Local computer repair place might actually be a better option though.
I actually realized I can't find the connector cable between my stick and the throttle. I think I lost it when I moved. I wonder if I can order it from Saitek? Or maybe it's just a standard cable type I could get from Radioshack? Gonna have to check when I get home.
It looks like a standard PS/2 cable, but I'd need an actual example to confirm that. Assuming that's true, should be something you can find on Newegg or Amazon for less than $15, not sure if Radio Shack would have them in store or not (I suspect not), but their website should have them. Local computer repair place might actually be a better option though.
your in luck. From anther forum:
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I've been using an old PS2 type cable for over a year now without any problems. I didn't even have to buy it; I had an old keyboard extension cable laying around, and when I bought my USB keyboard I didn't have a use for it anymore, but I hung onto it.....good thing. It's white with green ends, but as long as it flies it could be purple polka dots.....
I loved Freelancer to a point where it's one of my all time favorites.
X3TC had such a huge learning curve and such overly-complicated controls that I wanted to smash my monitor in with my forehead.
You must have had a pretty good grasp of it then if thats all the reaction it got out of you on your first time.
I don't see how people thought X3 had such a huge learning curve. I mean, there was a lot of stuff in it but it wasn't hard to figure out and I was trading and fighting and shit in no time.
Yeah, I don't think the problem with X3 is learning curve, it's UI and lack of direction and balance* ... Etc.
Essentially, flying around is easy. Flying around such that you generate money and tools respectably is harder.
* E.g. - "Thank you for advancing the Terran plotline. Your reward is a brand new Rapier. With no shields. And no weapons. And the only guns it can mount cost 200k apiece."
--or--
"For this training mission, fire one of the five missiles you start with at this helpless drone. Boy, that sure was a pretty explosion, huh? To replace that missile, you will need to somehow get supplies to a missile fab in the ass-end of nowhere, at which point he will gladly sell you missiles for 50k apiece."
--or--
"In order to generate enough cash to fund setting up a meaningful, self-sufficient station complex, you will need to have a fleet of about 6 or 8 remote traders. Remote trading requires a whole lot of near-constant key presses, and your ships won't be smart enough to get out of the way of danger. They'll tell you they're in danger, of course, but if you're in the middle of a running lightfight at that point, say goodbye to your investment."
I agree with Elvanshae. Also, some minor pointers like, I upgraded my combat system, now shift leads targets for me. I don't remember if it tells you that or not. I was still manually shooting til someone told me.
I tried the Evochron demo. It's a lot lot lot closer to what I want than the X games. I'll put it this way
5 - Highest Learning Curve: X Series
4 - High Learning Curve
3 - Moderate Learning Curve: Evochron
2 - Low Learning Curve
1 - Lowest Learning Curve: Freelancer
So Evochron is a 3, which is pretty near what I want, although I'd love to find a 2 or even another 1 that I could just jump right into without much training.
Maybe, but I can afford it, I can't afford Evochron, and I don't see any Freespace 2 clones in the future, so fuck it. Now if it would only hurry up and unlock!!!
edit: I don't see what's so hard about that video.
Maybe, but I can afford it, I can't afford Evochron, and I don't see any Freespace 2 clones in the future, so fuck it. Now if it would only hurry up and unlock!!!
edit: I don't see what's so hard about that video.
Did you watch it all the way through?
You can't really see the problem until the last minute or so.
He takes out four or five waves of ships, which are getting progressively stronger and becoming almost immune to his bullets (they do barely any damage, and the enemies are moving so fast he can't line up a shot at all).
Then around 10 more of the tough ships spawn out of nowhere. It just seems unfairly hard with no way to repair. He has an AI teammate, but I didn't see it at all until around 6 minutes into the video, and it didn't make any kills on its own.
Not to sound like a dick but we've faced harder in the evacuation of Capella not to mention that the game hasn't released yet so either that's from a cracked version or its from the beta and isn't indicative of the final quality.
And if it is a cracked version, that could damn well be some sorta nefarious copy protection that starts spawning increasingly harder to kill ships.
Forever.
This is, far and away, always the best copy protection.
I guess the game should be available now, but there's no buy button on the steam page. I'm at work anyhow, but if anyone picks it up and plays it I'd love to hear first impressions.
I loved Freelancer to a point where it's one of my all time favorites.
X3TC had such a huge learning curve and such overly-complicated controls that I wanted to smash my monitor in with my forehead.
You must have had a pretty good grasp of it then if thats all the reaction it got out of you on your first time.
I don't see how people thought X3 had such a huge learning curve. I mean, there was a lot of stuff in it but it wasn't hard to figure out and I was trading and fighting and shit in no time.
Once you discern the logic of how they put together the user interface, it obvious gets better, but 90% of the difficulty in the first hour of the game revolves around trying to discern how menus are organized, what the terminology means, and how to leverage the interface into doing what you want. A huge part of figuring this stuff out revolves around trial and error, and blundering through half a dozen errors which only in retrospect seem obvious can be an incredibly frustrating experience since those errors inevitably end up being expensive.
The first time you sink all of your credits into missiles you can't equip, for instance, or cargo that you can't haul because it's size "M," while your cargo hold is size "S" -- and by the way, you aren't going to automatically know that it's not compatible because you didn't buy that starter ship or the missile launcher in question, so how the fuck are you going to know what's not compatible unless someone takes the time to tell you? -- you're basically punished for not automatically knowing what you weren't initially told by spending six hours hauling solar energy cells a handful at a time from point A to point B just to get back to the point where you're no longer too broke to continue playing the game.
And at least back when I first bought to the game on Steam, they didn't have the manual uploaded for me to read, so that was the only pathway to learning the game at the time.
And if it is a cracked version, that could damn well be some sorta nefarious copy protection that starts spawning increasingly harder to kill ships.
Forever.
This is, far and away, always the best copy protection.
I guess the game should be available now, but there's no buy button on the steam page. I'm at work anyhow, but if anyone picks it up and plays it I'd love to hear first impressions.
Flashbacks to Star Trek: 25th Anniversary. If you didn't have the star chart in the manual, you were likely going to blunder off-course, and the "punishment" for that was an unending wave of enemy ships that inevitably destroyed you no matter how many of them you killed.
I intentionally went off course at least once a day.
Not to sound like a dick but we've faced harder in the evacuation of Capella not to mention that the game hasn't released yet so either that's from a cracked version or its from the beta and isn't indicative of the final quality.
He's a game reviewer, that's the copy they sent him to review.
Not to sound like a dick but we've faced harder in the evacuation of Capella not to mention that the game hasn't released yet so either that's from a cracked version or its from the beta and isn't indicative of the final quality.
He's a game reviewer, that's the copy they sent him to review.
Oh...why didn't he post his info and stuff in the video?
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Huh. The Sol Exodus Steam page was supposed to go live for purchase about an hour ago, but now it's saying the game will be available in three hours. Bit of a delay there, I suppose.
Not to sound like a dick but we've faced harder in the evacuation of Capella not to mention that the game hasn't released yet so either that's from a cracked version or its from the beta and isn't indicative of the final quality.
He's a game reviewer, that's the copy they sent him to review.
Oh...why didn't he post his info and stuff in the video?
Need this game right now!
He doesn't really publicize the videos a bunch, he just links to them on his twitter feed. Here's his website. He reviews tons of awesome PC games that nobody gives a shit about, so I love him even though I disagree with him a lot.
He takes out four or five waves of ships, which are getting progressively stronger and becoming almost immune to his bullets (they do barely any damage, and the enemies are moving so fast he can't line up a shot at all).
Then around 10 more of the tough ships spawn out of nowhere. It just seems unfairly hard with no way to repair. He has an AI teammate, but I didn't see it at all until around 6 minutes into the video, and it didn't make any kills on its own.
At one point in the video I noticed he was aiming at the lead reticule when the lead reticule had clearly stopped leading correctly and was stuck on the ship. He accidentally input the correct lead once or twice but then went back to the reticule. Around about 7:40. Doesn't look like my kinda game (except maybe fore a cheap sale buy) but wouldn't mind trying a demo to see for myself.
The first time you sink all of your credits into missiles you can't equip,
That could be bad. On the other hand, the missile information screen (which you will probably look at before you buy it, I mean, you want to know what it does first, right?) does list the compatible ship types.
for instance, or cargo that you can't haul because it's size "M," while your cargo hold is size "S"
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Drag the cursor around and your ship flies to it, click to shoot, but with a lot more depth under the hood.
And the tutorial does a pretty good job of explaining things.
tl;dr upgrade yo shit and learn to use the inertial flight system
I still need help with a good button scheme for it! Help me pretty plz
Please report back with your results, if you could! If I grab Evochron, chances are I'll be using the X-52 for it myself, and I'm curious how it plays. Some games that were designed with KBAM in mind feel a little unwieldy to me when I try to use the X-52.
You must have had a pretty good grasp of it then if thats all the reaction it got out of you on your first time.
I don't see how people thought X3 had such a huge learning curve. I mean, there was a lot of stuff in it but it wasn't hard to figure out and I was trading and fighting and shit in no time.
your in luck. From anther forum: Should be rather easy to find a replacement.
Yeah, I don't think the problem with X3 is learning curve, it's UI and lack of direction and balance* ... Etc.
Essentially, flying around is easy. Flying around such that you generate money and tools respectably is harder.
* E.g. - "Thank you for advancing the Terran plotline. Your reward is a brand new Rapier. With no shields. And no weapons. And the only guns it can mount cost 200k apiece."
--or--
"For this training mission, fire one of the five missiles you start with at this helpless drone. Boy, that sure was a pretty explosion, huh? To replace that missile, you will need to somehow get supplies to a missile fab in the ass-end of nowhere, at which point he will gladly sell you missiles for 50k apiece."
--or--
"In order to generate enough cash to fund setting up a meaningful, self-sufficient station complex, you will need to have a fleet of about 6 or 8 remote traders. Remote trading requires a whole lot of near-constant key presses, and your ships won't be smart enough to get out of the way of danger. They'll tell you they're in danger, of course, but if you're in the middle of a running lightfight at that point, say goodbye to your investment."
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5 - Highest Learning Curve: X Series
4 - High Learning Curve
3 - Moderate Learning Curve: Evochron
2 - Low Learning Curve
1 - Lowest Learning Curve: Freelancer
So Evochron is a 3, which is pretty near what I want, although I'd love to find a 2 or even another 1 that I could just jump right into without much training.
Damn. What a shame.
edit: I don't see what's so hard about that video.
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
Did you watch it all the way through?
You can't really see the problem until the last minute or so.
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
Then around 10 more of the tough ships spawn out of nowhere. It just seems unfairly hard with no way to repair. He has an AI teammate, but I didn't see it at all until around 6 minutes into the video, and it didn't make any kills on its own.
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
Forever.
This is, far and away, always the best copy protection.
I guess the game should be available now, but there's no buy button on the steam page. I'm at work anyhow, but if anyone picks it up and plays it I'd love to hear first impressions.
Once you discern the logic of how they put together the user interface, it obvious gets better, but 90% of the difficulty in the first hour of the game revolves around trying to discern how menus are organized, what the terminology means, and how to leverage the interface into doing what you want. A huge part of figuring this stuff out revolves around trial and error, and blundering through half a dozen errors which only in retrospect seem obvious can be an incredibly frustrating experience since those errors inevitably end up being expensive.
The first time you sink all of your credits into missiles you can't equip, for instance, or cargo that you can't haul because it's size "M," while your cargo hold is size "S" -- and by the way, you aren't going to automatically know that it's not compatible because you didn't buy that starter ship or the missile launcher in question, so how the fuck are you going to know what's not compatible unless someone takes the time to tell you? -- you're basically punished for not automatically knowing what you weren't initially told by spending six hours hauling solar energy cells a handful at a time from point A to point B just to get back to the point where you're no longer too broke to continue playing the game.
And at least back when I first bought to the game on Steam, they didn't have the manual uploaded for me to read, so that was the only pathway to learning the game at the time.
Flashbacks to Star Trek: 25th Anniversary. If you didn't have the star chart in the manual, you were likely going to blunder off-course, and the "punishment" for that was an unending wave of enemy ships that inevitably destroyed you no matter how many of them you killed.
I intentionally went off course at least once a day.
Need this game right now!
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
At one point in the video I noticed he was aiming at the lead reticule when the lead reticule had clearly stopped leading correctly and was stuck on the ship. He accidentally input the correct lead once or twice but then went back to the reticule. Around about 7:40. Doesn't look like my kinda game (except maybe fore a cheap sale buy) but wouldn't mind trying a demo to see for myself.
But if this goes below $5 or Evochron down to around $10, I'm totally there.
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
That could be bad. On the other hand, the missile information screen (which you will probably look at before you buy it, I mean, you want to know what it does first, right?) does list the compatible ship types.
You can't do that. The game won't let you.
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http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534