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Windows 7: Releasing on 10/22/09 - RC is Free to Download

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  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    the Windows Live Messenger argument is the only argument I can find against the task bar re-design that I can get. The rest of it, after actually using the taskbar for a week, I find it to be a much superior solution than anything MS has done before. Going back to XP or vista's taskbar now is just painful.

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  • ArcticMonkeyArcticMonkey Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Any way to integrate Aux into the volume mixer again? I can right click speakers, open Playback Devices, double click Speakers, go to the Levels tab and adjust it there. But it is a step backwards from XPs two mouse clicks.

    Anyone know if a program can detects it's own volume and mute settings in Windows 7? If possible, one solution would be a program called Aux Volume which could forward sound settings to the Aux Channel.

    And a final ghetto solution. Any way to macro muting/unmuting the Aux channel? The closest I have found is nircmd, but I can only get that to mute the whole system. (It doesn't respond to the aux channel at all)

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  • bigwahbigwah Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Any way to integrate Aux into the volume mixer again? I can right click speakers, open Playback Devices, double click Speakers, go to the Levels tab and adjust it there. But it is a step backwards from XPs two mouse clicks.

    Anyone know if a program can detects it's own volume and mute settings in Windows 7? If possible, one solution would be a program called Aux Volume which could forward sound settings to the Aux Channel.

    And a final ghetto solution. Any way to macro muting/unmuting the Aux channel? The closest I have found is nircmd, but I can only get that to mute the whole system. (It doesn't respond to the aux channel at all)

    Its a driver issue. Same thing happened in Vista and people complained, but its the venders drivers that is causing the issue. If you know any VBS i'm sure you can create a script to mute/unmute the aux channel, but since the driver itself is lacking, you may not be able to.

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  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    got my first blue screen last night.

    I shut down the computer.. seemed normal, if not a little faster than normal.

    Started it up, BSOD on the Loading screen "Failed to Initialize"


    Ran system restore and it's back to normal. *shrug*

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  • ZeonZeon Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    wunderbar wrote: »
    the Windows Live Messenger argument is the only argument I can find against the task bar re-design that I can get. The rest of it, after actually using the taskbar for a week, I find it to be a much superior solution than anything MS has done before. Going back to XP or vista's taskbar now is just painful.

    Its not about the redesign. The "redesign" is basically just a fancier version of what theyve had since windows XP (Where multiple windows will condense down to one pullout list rather than 3+ separate buttons in the taskbar). I always end up turning it off and the fanciness hasnt persuaded me otherwise this time.

    Dont get me wrong, its leagues better than what they had in vista and XP, but for me i still dont like it being all condensed in there. I like to see each of my open programs/windows as a seperate icon. Its a preference thing, just like how some people like their taskbar long the sides or along the top. I cant work like that either, but for some people it just clicks.

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  • ArcSynArcSyn Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    See, I use Alt-Tab too much to really be bothered by the condensed stuff, and considering I can now see little preview windows in there and use my mouse to select them, it's even better than using the taskbar. Even hovering over gives you the full screen preview too, so it's perfect.

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  • Mustachio JonesMustachio Jones jerseyRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I started using the winkey + 1-5 combinations for opening the pinned items. That, with alt-tab giving me a better view of all the stuff I have open, pretty much seals the deal for me. I hated having windows combine on the taskbar in XP, but it's refined to the point where it makes sense in 7.

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  • ArcticMonkeyArcticMonkey Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    bigwah wrote: »
    Any way to integrate Aux into the volume mixer again? I can right click speakers, open Playback Devices, double click Speakers, go to the Levels tab and adjust it there. But it is a step backwards from XPs two mouse clicks.

    Anyone know if a program can detects it's own volume and mute settings in Windows 7? If possible, one solution would be a program called Aux Volume which could forward sound settings to the Aux Channel.

    And a final ghetto solution. Any way to macro muting/unmuting the Aux channel? The closest I have found is nircmd, but I can only get that to mute the whole system. (It doesn't respond to the aux channel at all)

    Its a driver issue. Same thing happened in Vista and people complained, but its the venders drivers that is causing the issue. If you know any VBS i'm sure you can create a script to mute/unmute the aux channel, but since the driver itself is lacking, you may not be able to.
    How can this possible be a driver issue? The driver (in this case Creative's Audigy driver) allows changing the sound level for Aux and 7 other different audio sources. I want to change the level in volume mixer, but it only has Device (master) and Applications.
    Having per application sound control is great, but there is no reason that it should replace anything other then Wave in the Volume mixer.

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  • [email protected]Glen@microsoft-springboar __BANNED USERS new member
    edited May 2009
    Thanks for your interest in Windows 7, the best site for all the up to date news on the product is found at the Windows 7 support forum, at micorsoft.com/springboard. The site will also give you all sorts of useful information, such as the “what’s new in the r.c.” feed….or you can also you use talkingaboutwindows.com as an additional resource
    Thanks,

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  • Mike DangerMike Danger "Diane..." a place both wonderful and strangeRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Has anyone else had problems running Half-Life 2 under the RC? I get to the Ravenholm load and everything just seems to freeze up. I have a thread here with some more details. Downloading a new driver hasn't worked, and compatibility mode doesn't seem to do anything either.

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  • PeewiPeewi Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Has anyone else had problems running Half-Life 2 under the RC? I get to the Ravenholm load and everything just seems to freeze up. I have a thread here with some more details. Downloading a new driver hasn't worked, and compatibility mode doesn't seem to do anything either.

    I haven't tried HL2 specifically, but I haven't had any problems in other Source games.

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  • GogoKodoGogoKodo Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Been using RC for a week or so now, it's been great.

    One thing that has been really frustrating me is the weird 'restore' on windows. The restore function doesn't seem to play nice with the 'half screen' function. When I drag a window to the side of the screen to get it to fit exactly half screen it does that just fine. But then if I minimize it and then restore it, the window jumps back to where it was before I adjusted it to fit onto the side of my screen, which is really really annoying. Is there a setting somewhere that I might be able to change this behavior?

    Another question. Is there a 'show all windows' command for windows in the taskbar? Specifically I'm running pokerstars which runs each table as a separate window. I would like a quick way to click on the taskbar and show all tables. Tried CTRL + click, and that just cycles through the windows.

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  • ArcSynArcSyn Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    bigwah wrote: »
    Any way to integrate Aux into the volume mixer again? I can right click speakers, open Playback Devices, double click Speakers, go to the Levels tab and adjust it there. But it is a step backwards from XPs two mouse clicks.

    Anyone know if a program can detects it's own volume and mute settings in Windows 7? If possible, one solution would be a program called Aux Volume which could forward sound settings to the Aux Channel.

    And a final ghetto solution. Any way to macro muting/unmuting the Aux channel? The closest I have found is nircmd, but I can only get that to mute the whole system. (It doesn't respond to the aux channel at all)

    Its a driver issue. Same thing happened in Vista and people complained, but its the venders drivers that is causing the issue. If you know any VBS i'm sure you can create a script to mute/unmute the aux channel, but since the driver itself is lacking, you may not be able to.
    How can this possible be a driver issue? The driver (in this case Creative's Audigy driver) allows changing the sound level for Aux and 7 other different audio sources. I want to change the level in volume mixer, but it only has Device (master) and Applications.
    Having per application sound control is great, but there is no reason that it should replace anything other then Wave in the Volume mixer.

    Vista changed the way audio drivers need to be written. Most vendors (Creative especially with some of their products) have been too lazy to write proper drivers since it seems on board audio has taken over.

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  • ArcticMonkeyArcticMonkey Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    ArcSyn wrote: »
    bigwah wrote: »
    Any way to integrate Aux into the volume mixer again? I can right click speakers, open Playback Devices, double click Speakers, go to the Levels tab and adjust it there. But it is a step backwards from XPs two mouse clicks.

    Anyone know if a program can detects it's own volume and mute settings in Windows 7? If possible, one solution would be a program called Aux Volume which could forward sound settings to the Aux Channel.

    And a final ghetto solution. Any way to macro muting/unmuting the Aux channel? The closest I have found is nircmd, but I can only get that to mute the whole system. (It doesn't respond to the aux channel at all)

    Its a driver issue. Same thing happened in Vista and people complained, but its the venders drivers that is causing the issue. If you know any VBS i'm sure you can create a script to mute/unmute the aux channel, but since the driver itself is lacking, you may not be able to.
    How can this possible be a driver issue? The driver (in this case Creative's Audigy driver) allows changing the sound level for Aux and 7 other different audio sources. I want to change the level in volume mixer, but it only has Device (master) and Applications.
    Having per application sound control is great, but there is no reason that it should replace anything other then Wave in the Volume mixer.

    Vista changed the way audio drivers need to be written. Most vendors (Creative especially with some of their products) have been too lazy to write proper drivers since it seems on board audio has taken over.
    Are you actually saying that my Volume Mixer lacks Aux controls because Creative wrote shitty drivers, and not because Microsoft dumbed it down?

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  • bigwahbigwah Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    ArcSyn wrote: »
    bigwah wrote: »
    Any way to integrate Aux into the volume mixer again? I can right click speakers, open Playback Devices, double click Speakers, go to the Levels tab and adjust it there. But it is a step backwards from XPs two mouse clicks.

    Anyone know if a program can detects it's own volume and mute settings in Windows 7? If possible, one solution would be a program called Aux Volume which could forward sound settings to the Aux Channel.

    And a final ghetto solution. Any way to macro muting/unmuting the Aux channel? The closest I have found is nircmd, but I can only get that to mute the whole system. (It doesn't respond to the aux channel at all)

    Its a driver issue. Same thing happened in Vista and people complained, but its the venders drivers that is causing the issue. If you know any VBS i'm sure you can create a script to mute/unmute the aux channel, but since the driver itself is lacking, you may not be able to.
    How can this possible be a driver issue? The driver (in this case Creative's Audigy driver) allows changing the sound level for Aux and 7 other different audio sources. I want to change the level in volume mixer, but it only has Device (master) and Applications.
    Having per application sound control is great, but there is no reason that it should replace anything other then Wave in the Volume mixer.

    Vista changed the way audio drivers need to be written. Most vendors (Creative especially with some of their products) have been too lazy to write proper drivers since it seems on board audio has taken over.
    Are you actually saying that my Volume Mixer lacks Aux controls because Creative wrote shitty drivers, and not because Microsoft dumbed it down?

    Yes. Microsoft didn't write Creatives shitty drivers. There is a post in the Vista thread that is alot more detailed on how/why, maybe I'll try to look it up later.

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  • RBachRBach Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Let's be honest here, when has Creative not written horrible drivers? :)

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  • ArcticMonkeyArcticMonkey Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    bigwah wrote: »
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    ArcSyn wrote: »
    bigwah wrote: »
    Any way to integrate Aux into the volume mixer again? I can right click speakers, open Playback Devices, double click Speakers, go to the Levels tab and adjust it there. But it is a step backwards from XPs two mouse clicks.

    Anyone know if a program can detects it's own volume and mute settings in Windows 7? If possible, one solution would be a program called Aux Volume which could forward sound settings to the Aux Channel.

    And a final ghetto solution. Any way to macro muting/unmuting the Aux channel? The closest I have found is nircmd, but I can only get that to mute the whole system. (It doesn't respond to the aux channel at all)

    Its a driver issue. Same thing happened in Vista and people complained, but its the venders drivers that is causing the issue. If you know any VBS i'm sure you can create a script to mute/unmute the aux channel, but since the driver itself is lacking, you may not be able to.
    How can this possible be a driver issue? The driver (in this case Creative's Audigy driver) allows changing the sound level for Aux and 7 other different audio sources. I want to change the level in volume mixer, but it only has Device (master) and Applications.
    Having per application sound control is great, but there is no reason that it should replace anything other then Wave in the Volume mixer.

    Vista changed the way audio drivers need to be written. Most vendors (Creative especially with some of their products) have been too lazy to write proper drivers since it seems on board audio has taken over.
    Are you actually saying that my Volume Mixer lacks Aux controls because Creative wrote shitty drivers, and not because Microsoft dumbed it down?

    Yes. Microsoft didn't write Creatives shitty drivers. There is a post in the Vista thread that is alot more detailed on how/why, maybe I'll try to look it up later.
    All of the 3 audio cards I have in Win7 are the same. Changing volume for external audio inputs are just as tedious on the Creative Audigy2 card as on the onboard Realtek HD Audio Device and USB Logitech headset (The last two using Microsofts own drivers).
    It is not bad drivers, it is a poor design choice by Microsoft.
    Unless Microsoft themselves wrote shitty drivers for the onboard HD audio and USB audio device.

    I'll just ask the reverse question instead. Has anyone gotten external audio sources integrated into their Volume Mixer in Windows 7 or Vista?

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited May 2009
    Onboard drivers are still not written by MS

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  • RBachRBach Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Right. Although I do wonder why some of those drivers still list Microsoft as the manufacturer (the Win7-provided audio drivers for my onboard Realtek sound card/chip/whatever for example).

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  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    RBach wrote: »
    Right. Although I do wonder why some of those drivers still list Microsoft as the manufacturer (the Win7-provided audio drivers for my onboard Realtek sound card/chip/whatever for example).

    Those are the "default" drivers built into windows. the "full feature" drivers you have to get from the motherboard manufacturer's website.

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  • cyphrcyphr Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Okay, so I tried doing the upgrade thing from beta to RC last night (changing that setting in the .ini file). Everything was going fine until it got to the last step (transferring files, settings, and programs or whatever), and then it just hung. There was no percentage progress indicator, it was just stuck - no HDD activity, but I could move the mouse.

    I let it sit like that for a couple hours and then finally gave up, restarted and rolled back. My first thought is, do I need to create an ISO from the setup files and burn that? I was installing from the files on my HD, because I had to extract them to change the MinVersion setting in order to upgrade. If that's the case, how would I go about repackaging those files into an ISO? Otherwise, has anyone encountered this problem before? Should I just say screw it and do a clean install?

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  • FightTestFightTest Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Had my first issue with 7 a few mins ago.

    Was alternating between browsing and screwing around with some code and when I reopened my browser I had no wireless connection. Modem/router were fine. So I run the troubleshooter and it says my wireless is turned off, hit the switch on my laptop. I've never even touched the thing so I toggle it (to what I guess is the "off" position), and it still says it's off. So I flip it back on and it's still no good.

    Finally reboot and it comes back on fine. Don't know what that was about.

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  • ArcSynArcSyn Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    My touchpad will sometimes never reconnect after coming out of hibernation. The trackpoint is fine, but for some reason the touchpad just glitches. It's rare though, and a quick reboot (yay for fast startup times!) resolves it so I can't complain. I don't let it hibernate often anyway.

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  • RandomEngyRandomEngy Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    This is an issue in Vista as well, but has anyone noticed windows that randomly go into "I need attention" mode when you show desktop? But when you click the blinking taskbar icon it doesn't actually need anything?

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited May 2009
    Yeah, mostly with Pidgin. Vista/7 may be interpreting certain events as 'i need attention' that don't actually update anything important to humans.

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  • ZeonZeon Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    It even happens in XP, i think its just a problem with the way it decides to start blinking, in general.

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  • CyvrosCyvros Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Official blog post on 7 Starter. Stuff like Media Center, DVD playback and XP Mode (which, on a separate note, works like a charm on 7057) won't be available at all, but there's no three app limit anymore. Personalisation's pretty much gone, though - no Aero Glass (understandable), but also no customisable background, window colours or sound schemes.

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  • lowlylowlycooklowlylowlycook Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    No Wallpaper, really?

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  • maximumzeromaximumzero I...wait, what? New Orleans, LARegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Cyvros wrote: »
    Official blog post on 7 Starter. Stuff like Media Center, DVD playback and XP Mode (which, on a separate note, works like a charm on 7057) won't be available at all, but there's no three app limit anymore. Personalisation's pretty much gone, though - no Aero Glass (understandable), but also no customisable background, window colours or sound schemes.

    I tell you what, the Starter Edition is mighty tempting for someone like myself---who only boots into Windows for the occasional game.

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  • ArcSynArcSyn Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    It's sensible, I can't complain if this is going to be the one that they practically give away for low-cost computers. Better than nothing.

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  • TL DRTL DR Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    ArcSyn wrote: »
    It's sensible, I can't complain if this is going to be the one that they practically give away for low-cost computers. Better than nothing.

    And maybe it will be easier for people who have a Windows license already but want a new machine without having to build one.

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  • FremFrem Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    ArcSyn wrote: »
    It's sensible, I can't complain if this is going to be the one that they practically give away for low-cost computers. Better than nothing.

    Except of course, the alternative isn't nothing. It's XP (which Microsoft has been trying to retire for the past year) or Linux.

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  • SeeksSeeks Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Yeah, gotta say, there's only two things that keep me from *nixing permanently: Games and "neat little things." Windows has both, but between starter and Ubuntu, I'd have to go with Ubuntu.

    Or XP, since I still have a recovery disc with it.



    In fact, this has been bugging me for a while... is it possible to just buy a copy of Windows XP anymore? In case I wanted to use it for whatever reason on some computer in the future?

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  • lowlylowlycooklowlylowlycook Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Sure you can buy XP.

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  • ArcSynArcSyn Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Frem wrote: »
    ArcSyn wrote: »
    It's sensible, I can't complain if this is going to be the one that they practically give away for low-cost computers. Better than nothing.

    Except of course, the alternative isn't nothing. It's XP (which Microsoft has been trying to retire for the past year) or Linux.

    I wasn't saying that we (the consumer) have no alternatives. I'm saying that for Microsoft they can get something by having Starter placed on that computer, versus getting nothing and having Linux placed on it.

    Of course the consumer has a choice.

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  • Fizban140Fizban140 Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2009
    What happens if I still have the beta copy of Win7?

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  • Mustachio JonesMustachio Jones jerseyRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    You have a month to put something else on there, otherwise it'll start shitting itself every two hours starting on July 1st. This is for builds with a build number less than 7100.

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  • Fizban140Fizban140 Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2009
    Mine is 7000, but I am going to be building a new PC by the latest friday so I do not want to install a new OS just for a couple days. What exactly happens? It turns off once every two hours?

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  • RBachRBach Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I believe it reboots rather than shuts down, but basically yes. However, if you're building the new comp Friday it'll be a moot point anyway.

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  • Fizban140Fizban140 Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2009
    Three days of windows enforced reboots, this will be fun. Alternatively I could just use that copy of Ubuntu I have been meaning to try.

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