The instant my MSDN finishes downloading this stuff, I'm upgrading. My experience with the RC has been that good, and all the UI quirks with Vista just piss me off. Screw quick launch, the new bar is infinitely better.
That said - on one of my work computers, every time I click the speaker icon, it takes like 2 seconds for the volume bar (to mute sound) to come up. I have no idea why.
The MSDN out yet? My dad has a subscription, might see if i can grab the full gold version
Unlike Vista, the Windows 7 RTM image does not prompt you for a serial number or version pick when installing. It uses what is specified in /sources/ei.cfg on the install disc; however, all discs actually contain the full Ultimate image.
Should you have the Ultimate RTM image but desire to install, say, Home Premium, delete /sources/ei.cfg and it will prompt you when installing. more. After asking you whether you want to connect to Windows Update, the next wizard step will be this:
Why would they do that? Things were so nice with Vista in this regard as I didn't need to keep a ridiculous number of (99.99%) the same disc for working on people's computers. I guess there's always removal of ei.cfg, but that's still annoying. They should at least offer a version with the modification already made.
Well, if you're doing that, just make a bootable thumbdrive (then deleting ei.cfg is trivial). And then you can slipstream updates much more easily, too.
Idoliside: Windows 7 RTM is indeed out on MSDN and Technet, since yesterday. It should be on MSDNAA today, if I have my dates right.
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Ive got the beta drivers and the creative console launcher for my X-fi with Win7 in 5.1. Working perfectly for me.
I mainly got the console launcher to change my line-in to mic jack cos im not using my USB mic anymore, but one i got with my 5.1 headphones.
This may be the key - I've not installed the creative consle launcher on my machine. I fiddled endlessly last night with settings in the audio console (32-bit), and somehow a few of the XFi surround settings seemed to make things better. I can get flash video on all five channels now, at last, but perplexingly some test games like Plants vs. Zombies only play through the front two - which is a different issue all together. Still, if this is the worst I experience with Win7, I'm freaking happy about it.
Also a note for MSDN and MSDNAA members! Yesterday the administrator for my MSDNAA said the Win7 RTM was going up as soon as they received it from Microsoft. So not only will some MSDNAA networks get the RTM, but your miliage may vary about the available date for MSDN networks, as someone earlier in the thread suggested. (Edit: Beat'd and clarified above.)
Does the RTM version of Media Center play HD video files? Because it's ridiculous that XP Media Edition 2005, various versions of Vista and Windows 7 build 7000 did, but the version that comes with the RC doesn't. It's all kinds of retarded.
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...and I thought of how all those people died, and what a good death that is. That nobody can blame you for it, because everyone else died along with you, and it is the fault of none, save those who did the killing.
Yeah... but "full versions" are basically wastes of money since people can do clean installs of them from the RC. From there, any responsible user would image the drive.
The E editions have been scrapped; Windows 7 will ship with IE8 and WMP in Europe.
Microsoft has control over the home page of Internet Explorer (which is just http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=69157, which presently goes to MSN.com but could point anywhere), so it may now use a ballot screen to handle antitrust concerns. IE8 is also fairly trivial to uninstall now (although the underlying rendering engine is not).
Meanwhile Macs probably still ship with Safari and iTunes.
Way to go EU, thanks for completely sucking!
But, iTunes and Safari don't own the Internet and music business like Windows Media Player and Internet Explorer. I mean, one of them even says it owns the internet by having it in the name!
Meanwhile Macs probably still ship with Safari and iTunes.
Way to go EU, thanks for completely sucking!
But, iTunes and Safari don't own the Internet and music business like Windows Media Player and Internet Explorer. I mean, one of them even says it owns the internet by having it in the name!
It doesn't really matter.
That would be like the US shutting down Google because they are the big boys and they have their search engine integrated by default into Firefox and now IE8.
Hmm. I'm building a new PC in the coming weeks, as I said in the build thread, but I'd need to get a new copy of an OS. I'd really like to jump into Win7 after all the good experiences some friends have had with the beta and RC. My problem is that I have a truly hard time stomaching paying $250 for Vista and then having to drop another $120 in under three months if I want Windows 7; similarly, going OS-less for three months isn't really appealing either.
Should I just hold off on getting Win7 for a while, or what? Maybe scrounge for a cheapo copy of XP and then get a full version of Win7 later?
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If you're building a new PC, you might as well just get Win 7.
Well, yes. I want Win7, but it doesn't come out for another three months - the PC will come in roughly three weeks. At any rate, my problem has been solved for me, and I found one of my parents' copies of XP lying around that they no longer need, so I'll just use it as a temp OS until Win7 comes out, reformat, and install that.
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Or install the RTM, verify it has the hashes stated on here (so it isn't full of Russian trojans or something), and use that. Then activate it in three months (you have four to perform said activation).
And a good thing, too. Last thing anyone wants is something like Steam or Inform no longer working.
e: Or, come to think of it, Windows Help.
Come to think of it, what happens when someone uninstalls Internet Explorer 8, then an application running using mshtml.dll (say, a .hta wizard) invokes window.open()? Normally it'll pop up an IE8 window, after all...
It can't create a window in another browser, since the DOM of the new window needs to be accessible. And there might not be another browser installed.
How is it you can go from Home Premium to Ultimate but not Home Premium to Professional?
Is that some sort of ploy to sell Ultimate?
Wow.
Home Premium has stuff that Business/Professional does not, and vice versa. (For instance, Home Premium has Media Center.)
What the hell do you need Professional for anyway? (I'm only running Vista Business because that's the version I got for free).
Hmm? This doesn't jive with what I've read. Everything I've read is that professional has everything that home does, but also adds stuff like "XP Mode", remote console, some other stuff. The ultimate has that stuff and some other stuff. All 3 versions have media center.
Each version has everything the cheaper versions have, and then they add some stuff.
How is it you can go from Home Premium to Ultimate but not Home Premium to Professional?
Is that some sort of ploy to sell Ultimate?
Wow.
Home Premium has stuff that Business/Professional does not, and vice versa. (For instance, Home Premium has Media Center.)
What the hell do you need Professional for anyway? (I'm only running Vista Business because that's the version I got for free).
Hmm? This doesn't jive with what I've read. Everything I've read is that professional has everything that home does, but also adds stuff like "XP Mode", remote console, some other stuff. The ultimate has that stuff and some other stuff. All 3 versions have media center.
Each version has everything the cheaper versions have, and then they add some stuff.
That is correct, for 7. For Vista, that was not the case.
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"Hope he dies tbh but a ban would do."
Vista did that, where Business didn't have WMC and some other stuff, or something of that nature.
The way the 7 versions work is in tiers. Any version that is more expensive than a previous one has all the stuff in it that the previous version has, plus whatever more.
Home Premium lacks the ability to join domains, remote desktop, and XP Virtual Machine. For argument's sake, since I can't remember what's got what, Professional gets the ability to join domains and use remote desktop, plus everything that HP's got. Enterprise gets XP VM on top of Professional's added features. Home Premium is the platform, the more expensive versions build on what's already there.
Also, to answer the comment above about "I have to go to Ultimate from Home Premium?" Microsoft does not like removing features, only adding, going from Home Premium to Professional would require gutting it, which goes against their best practices...
My HTPC at home, I'm sincerely considering putting Windows 7 on it, does anyone know if the Concurrent User Tweak is out there for it yet? And would you guys recommend 32-bit or 64-bit for a Media Center PC? It looks like all the drivers I need are out there, just dunno if it'd be worth it or not...
I know I'm putting 64-bit on my gaming rig, and 64-bit on my office work one, just don't know about the HTPC....
My HTPC at home, I'm sincerely considering putting Windows 7 on it, does anyone know if the Concurrent User Tweak is out there for it yet? And would you guys recommend 32-bit or 64-bit for a Media Center PC? It looks like all the drivers I need are out there, just dunno if it'd be worth it or not...
I know I'm putting 64-bit on my gaming rig, and 64-bit on my office work one, just don't know about the HTPC....
Winsxs isn't even as big as it says it is. By nature, since it's a folder filled with hardlinks to .dlls to prevent redundancies, it thinks it's actually got all those files inside of it, and thus reports it as being the cumulative size of all the .dlls it's got inside of it, when in fact they're really just shortcuts of a certain nature.
A 6GB winsxs folder is really around 850MB to 1.5GB
Winsxs isn't even as big as it says it is. By nature, since it's a folder filled with hardlinks to .dlls to prevent redundancies, it thinks it's actually got all those files inside of it, and thus reports it as being the cumulative size of all the .dlls it's got inside of it, when in fact they're really just shortcuts of a certain nature.
A 6GB winsxs folder is really around 850MB to 1.5GB
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The MSDN out yet? My dad has a subscription, might see if i can grab the full gold version
Well, if you're doing that, just make a bootable thumbdrive (then deleting ei.cfg is trivial). And then you can slipstream updates much more easily, too.
Idoliside: Windows 7 RTM is indeed out on MSDN and Technet, since yesterday. It should be on MSDNAA today, if I have my dates right.
This may be the key - I've not installed the creative consle launcher on my machine. I fiddled endlessly last night with settings in the audio console (32-bit), and somehow a few of the XFi surround settings seemed to make things better. I can get flash video on all five channels now, at last, but perplexingly some test games like Plants vs. Zombies only play through the front two - which is a different issue all together. Still, if this is the worst I experience with Win7, I'm freaking happy about it.
Also a note for MSDN and MSDNAA members! Yesterday the administrator for my MSDNAA said the Win7 RTM was going up as soon as they received it from Microsoft. So not only will some MSDNAA networks get the RTM, but your miliage may vary about the available date for MSDN networks, as someone earlier in the thread suggested. (Edit: Beat'd and clarified above.)
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Might be good to add to the OP. It doesn't mention the RC7 to RTM7 paths... but those are confusing enough.
Is that some sort of ploy to sell Ultimate?
Wow.
Way to go EU, thanks for completely sucking!
Microsoft has control over the home page of Internet Explorer (which is just http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=69157, which presently goes to MSN.com but could point anywhere), so it may now use a ballot screen to handle antitrust concerns. IE8 is also fairly trivial to uninstall now (although the underlying rendering engine is not).
But, iTunes and Safari don't own the Internet and music business like Windows Media Player and Internet Explorer. I mean, one of them even says it owns the internet by having it in the name!
e: Or, come to think of it, Windows Help.
Really? All the versions of Windows 7 listed on amazon.co.uk are E editions.
It doesn't really matter.
That would be like the US shutting down Google because they are the big boys and they have their search engine integrated by default into Firefox and now IE8.
Should I just hold off on getting Win7 for a while, or what? Maybe scrounge for a cheapo copy of XP and then get a full version of Win7 later?
- The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse (2017, colorized)
Not sure what you thought it was supposed to be, but keep in mind that Windows automatically takes up a chunk of space for Recycle Bin.
Well, yes. I want Win7, but it doesn't come out for another three months - the PC will come in roughly three weeks. At any rate, my problem has been solved for me, and I found one of my parents' copies of XP lying around that they no longer need, so I'll just use it as a temp OS until Win7 comes out, reformat, and install that.
- The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse (2017, colorized)
Home Premium has stuff that Business/Professional does not, and vice versa. (For instance, Home Premium has Media Center.)
What the hell do you need Professional for anyway? (I'm only running Vista Business because that's the version I got for free).
Come to think of it, what happens when someone uninstalls Internet Explorer 8, then an application running using mshtml.dll (say, a .hta wizard) invokes window.open()? Normally it'll pop up an IE8 window, after all...
It can't create a window in another browser, since the DOM of the new window needs to be accessible. And there might not be another browser installed.
Each version has everything the cheaper versions have, and then they add some stuff.
That is correct, for 7. For Vista, that was not the case.
"Was cursing, in broken english at his team, and at our team. made fun of dead family members and mentioned he had sex with a dog."
"Hope he dies tbh but a ban would do."
The way the 7 versions work is in tiers. Any version that is more expensive than a previous one has all the stuff in it that the previous version has, plus whatever more.
Home Premium lacks the ability to join domains, remote desktop, and XP Virtual Machine. For argument's sake, since I can't remember what's got what, Professional gets the ability to join domains and use remote desktop, plus everything that HP's got. Enterprise gets XP VM on top of Professional's added features. Home Premium is the platform, the more expensive versions build on what's already there.
Runs nice...
Also, while I did a clean isntall, I present the following for those who want to go from RC to RTM
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/3075/how-to-upgrade-the-windows-7-rc-to-rtm/
Also, to answer the comment above about "I have to go to Ultimate from Home Premium?" Microsoft does not like removing features, only adding, going from Home Premium to Professional would require gutting it, which goes against their best practices...
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Are you sure there's no Remote Desktop? Even Vista Home had Remote Desktop.
Sure you can, but you have to download UltraVNC
My HTPC at home, I'm sincerely considering putting Windows 7 on it, does anyone know if the Concurrent User Tweak is out there for it yet? And would you guys recommend 32-bit or 64-bit for a Media Center PC? It looks like all the drivers I need are out there, just dunno if it'd be worth it or not...
I know I'm putting 64-bit on my gaming rig, and 64-bit on my office work one, just don't know about the HTPC....
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It's the winsxs folder that makes up the bulk of Win 7 in GB. And it only grows when you install stuff.
A 6GB winsxs folder is really around 850MB to 1.5GB
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