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[Pokémon] Tournament: Final Round! Ashton Vs. RMD! Check OP for a training guide!

RockinXRockinX Registered User regular
edited June 2009 in Games and Technology
Welcome to the new Pokémon thread! Here we share opinions, trade and battle with Pokémon.
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If you don't know what Pokémon are, then this thread is probably not for you! But we can help you understand what they are.
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If you don't care about Pokémon, then GTFO.

Pokémon is short for ポケットモンスター or Pocket Monsters. They are creatures that are each one based on an element and are able to attack with moves from those elements. You use your own creatures to capture more and more species you find in the wild. There are 493 of them, and each one has a varying degree of usability in battle.

Tiers, much like in fighting games, will give you an idea of which of them will make it more likely to win a match, but won't necessarily guarantee your victory. For the most up-to-date tier list and probably the most reliable and most used, please refer to Smogon, which also offers examples of movesets and EV spreads that will give you an idea of what to do with yours.
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If you want to be a trainer, and don't even know which version to buy, you can either get Diamond or Pearl for your battling needs, although there is a third version, Platinum (which is out now) and you might want to grab that one instead, as it features several options not available in Diamond or Pearl.
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List of features in Platinum (will only list functional gameplay features not in D/P)

- The Wi-Fi area has been enhanced with the Wi-Fi Square, which supports up to 20 people at a time. The new area seems to focus exclusively on mini-games, which include Rapid Wobbuffet, where players hit a Wobbuffet, and Merry Mime Jr., where players can balance Mime Jr. on a ball.
- The Poffin making has been modified with a new feature involving a Swalot-shaped machine, into which Berries can be thrown. This can be done over Wi-Fi in the new Wi-Fi Square.
- There is a new key item called the Battle Recorder (given by Looker when the player first meets him in Jubilife City), which allows players to record battles in Battle Frontier and Wi-Fi, and share the records with other players over the GTS. Battle records can be rated by other players upon viewing, and the most popular battle records are displayed for all to see. Players can also take pictures of their PC boxes and share them with other players in a similar fashion.
- The GTS has incorporated an E-mail system that allows players to be notified of completed trades.
- Notification messages are sent to the player's actual E-mail address.
- The Sinnoh starters and their evolutions are now allowed in an expanded Amity Square, making a total of 20 Pokémon allowed in the Square.
- Over local wireless, there is a new feature where the player and their friends can put their Pokémon eggs in and randomly swap.
- HM05 (Defog) is now located inside the Solaceon Ruins instead of the Pastoria Great Marsh.
- The player now receives HM04 (Strength) from Riley on Iron Island instead of in the Lost Tower.
- The player can now challenge other trainers in certain Pokémon Centers. The trainer(s) are located in front of the desk. These trainers change location every day.
- In addition to the move tutors in Diamond and Pearl, three new move tutors are added, in Snowpoint City, on Route 212 and in the Survival Area.
- The Accuracy of Hypnosis was changed back to 60.
- The surfing speed has become faster.

What you need to start battling:

- First of all, finish the main game first. Trying to understand and manipulate EVs and IVs before that will be a pain.
- Once you've beaten the Elite Four, the real fun* begins. First, give Individual Values or IVs a read. You will also want to know everything about breeding and Effort Values or Evs. Natures Natures should also be read.
- Now that you know some things about EVs, you can either grind at the Battle Tower for the points needed to buy the Power Items or borrow them from someone who is used to play here at G&T. These items will make EV training much easier.
- If you aren't sure what to do with your Pokés, check out Smogon for some tips that will help you choose an appropriate EV spread and moveset for your Mons.
- Check out Psypoke's EV training spots.
- Also, check out what's inside the spoiler for a better way to breed eggs (doesn't work in Platinum):

- You might want to check Chen's list of what you should consider adding to your team:

01 Rapid Spin/Magne[strike]ton[/strike]zone
02 Rock resist
[strike]03 Roar/Whirlwind[/strike]
[strike]04 Mixpert counter[/strike]
05 Gengar counter
06 Special Tank
07 Physical Tank
[strike]08 Recover Zam counter[/strike]
[strike]09 Grass Type[/strike]
10 Toxic taker
11 Will-o-Wisp taker
12 Paralysis taker
13 Sleep taker
14 Fighting resistance
15 Tyranitar counter
[strike]16 Reversal counter[/strike]
[strike]17 Sludge Bomb Tentacruel counter[/strike]
18 Water type
[strike]19 Taunt Umbreon counter[/strike]
[strike]20 Jirachi Counter[/strike]
21 Celebi Counter
22 Normal resistance (Explosion)
[strike]23 Curselax counter[/strike]
24 Gyarados+[strike]Magneton[/strike]Electivire counter
25 Salamence counter (usually Ice Beam)
26 Ghost to block Rapid Spin (only if you're using Spikes)
27 Stealth Rock user
28 Draco Meteor taker
29 Outrage taker
30 Fire resistance (Heatran, Infernape)
31 Steel resistance
32 Priority user
33 Revenge killer (usually scarfed or priority user)
34 Trick taker

- And more importantly: Have fun! It doesn't matter if you win or lose. You must have learned something from experience, and if your newest creation wasn't as good as thought it'd be and you want to keep it boxed, don't feel discouraged. We all have trained some Pokémon that we'll never use again because it sounded better on paper than it performed in practice.

General battling rules
- Pokémon battles through Wi-fi automatically level your Pokémon to either levels 50 or 100. So you don't have to train them to level 100 yourself, saving a lot of time. In fact, it will be better if you don't level them up all the way to level 100 since you at that stage you won't be able to edit your Pokés' EVs.
-Sleep Clause: you may not put more than one of your opponent's Pokémon to sleep at a time.
-Species Clause: your team must be comprised of six different species of Pokémon.
-Suicide Clause: If both players are down to their last Pokémon, the player with the first Pokémon to hit 0 HP is the loser. In other words, using moves like Self Destruct and Explosion cause you to lose, even if it kills your opponent. However, using a move with a recoil that kill both you and your opponent is a win for you.
-No Legendary Pokémon whatsoever. This includes Wobbuffet and Garchomp.


Warnings

- Do NOT buy Pokémon Battle Revolution unless you hate yourself.
- If you use U-Turn with a Choice Banded Pokémon, and your next Pokémon also has U-Turn, it will be locked to U-Turn as well. It seems this was a glitch in DP ans was fixed in Platinum. Thanks to Ashton Dragon for the first bit of information and to InvisibleInk for the second bit.
- If your opponent Yawns you and you have a Chesto Berry, you might not want to use Rest, because at the end of that turn you will have woken up with the Chesto Berry after Resting, then you'll fall asleep again because of the Yawn.
- Don't take a bath with your Tentacool.
- Beware: The game is very addictive once you join the community. Make your time.
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Sites of interest

PA's Pokémart. You should read the OP before posting there.
Marriland's team builder. It will let you know how many weaknesses your team has so you can take meassures before battling.
Serebii. Check out their Pokédex.
Metalkid's IV Calculator.
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Get more Box Wallpapers for Platinum

Use the post below for refering to Friend Codes of people who post in the thread and codes for battles you can watch on Platinum's GTS.

*NEW* EV Training Guide!
EV Training Guide

EV training can be overwhelming for new trainers, especially those who haven’t played since the Red and Blue or Gold and Silver days, where there was no need to follow these rules that make the game more strategy-centered. EV training is when you raise your Pokémon’s stats depending on its weaknesses and strengths so it can reach its maximum strategic potential for battles. EV stands for Effort Values, by the way.

In the days of Yore, instead of EV training, we had what we call stat experience, where a Pokémon’s stats would grow depending on the base stats of the opposing Poké’s. For example, fighting a Blissey would make your Pokémon earn 255 experience points in HP, 10 in Attack and Defense, 75 in Special Attack, 135 in Special Defense and 55 in Speed. The maximum amount of experience points for each stat was 65535, and there was a limit, but you could bypass that limit by just depositing your Pokémon in a box and withdrawing it again so you could reach the maximum limit. Pokérus, a virus that wild Pokémon have sometimes, gets you double the stat experience you get, so the maximum possible stats could be gotten easier if you were lucky enough to get infected with Pokérus.

But that was then, this is now. Starting in the third generation, Nintendo completely changed this and added a cap to the stats you could get. You now have to carefully choose which stats you’re going to raise. For example, a sweeper – A Pokémon whose purpose is to be fast and hit hard – will need all the speed it can possibly get in order to be sure to go first and hit the opposing Pokémon. Let’s get technical now.

There can be 510 EVs in total. For every four EVs you get 1 point in that stat at level 100 (in previous levels it will be at a proportion of the EVs you have). The maximum amount of EVs a stat can get, though is 255, but we prefer to use 252 so that we don’t waste EVs because 255 is not divisible by 4, so you end up losing 3 EV points you could use to complete a stat point for another stat.

Now, how do you know what EVs to give your certain Pokémon? That why we have the base stats. Looking at them gives you an idea of what you can do with them. Base stats determine the number you see when you select Summary anywhere you can check out your Pokémon. Base 100 is the average for every stat just to call it something, because that’s not really average but what most Pokés should aim to be, but it really depends on the stat.

But you also have to take into account natures. They seem like something silly at first glance, but they serve a purpose: Depending on the nature, there will be one stat that gets increased by 10% and another one that gets decreased by 10%. This is great because there will usually be one stat that you won’t be needing because the base number in that stat is very low. Take for example Bronzong: It’s one of the slowest Pokémon in the game. Using a nature that hinders speed is probably the best bet since you could probably use a Special Attack set while also packing Explosion, so using a nature that takes away some of your speed like Brave or Sassy lets you keep good Attack, Defense, Special Attack and Special Defense while not worrying about having bad speed because it will alway go last unless it faces Slowbro, which is slower than Bronzong. Also, Gyro Ball increases its power the slower you are compared to your opponent, so –Speed natures benefit Bronzong.

-Attack natures benefit those who can’t afford to lose any of their Defenses or Speed because they will not have a good Attack stat, like Alakazam. –Defense natures like Hasty (+Speed, -Defense) and Naïve (+Speed, -Special Defense) are good for Pokémon so frail that they won’t mind losing more Defense than they already have low and can serve as both Special and Physical sweepers, like Pikachu and Infernape.

I think that by now, you have been wondering “what are these physical and special things he’s mentioning so often?” Well, those are the most important aspects of Pokémon since the Red and Blue days. Back then, a Physical and a Special attack was determined by the type of the Pokémon. Those who relied on physics like Normal, Fighting or Rock, were Physical. Those moves with supernatural qualities like Electric, Fire or Water were Special.

When the Fourth Generation started, there was the famous Physical-Special Split, in which moves don’t depend on their types to be taken as Physical or Special, but rather, they are individually assigned their kind of attack. Fire Punch (Fire-type attack) is now Physical, and Hyper Beam (Normal-type attack) is now Special. If you don’t want to check if a move is Physical or Special, or don’t have the time (but you should still investigate), the easy way to tell what it is, is to see if it’s a super natural move (bring out the lightning from the clouds! Thunder is a Special move), or a move that will depend on physics to work (oh! It’s shaking the ground with its body! Earthquake is Physical) or if it makes physical contact (He’s gonna fall on me! Body Slam is Physical).

Physical moves will damage the opponent depending on the Attack stat of the attacker and the Defense stat of the one being hit. Special moves will inflict damage depending on the Special Attack of the attacking Pokémon and the Special Defense of the defending Pokémon.

Ok, so how do you figure out a good EV spread? I’ll explain it this way: Let’s say you are born naturally skillful at Physics. If you exploit this and study hard, you’ll reach very high grades and be the best Physics student ever. If you don’t exploit this, you’ll still have a high grade, but it won’t be as high as if you had studied. If you aren’t naturally skilled at Physics, and study hard, you’ll certainly do better than if you hadn’t studied, but you won’t be as good as someone who has decent Physics skill, and you’d be better off studying Geography, which is the subject in which you really do well.

The same thing happens in Pokémon. Some Pokémon have a low Attack stat, but a high Special Attack stat, so you’ll be better off dumping your EVs on Special Attack and giving it moves that are Special-based. Special Sweepers like Starmie benefit from having 252 in Special Attack, 252 in Speed and 6 in HP (they all sum 510 EVs). If you want it to take a few more hits, you can sacrifice some Special Attack EVs and add those to HP if you are going with a Rapid Spin set. Physical Sweepers like Ambipom benefit better from a 252Att/252Speed/6HP set, although if you are planning to use Nasty Plot (raises Special Attack by 100%), you can go with a Special set.

Tanks are different. Most of the time you want it to have as much HP as it can, while splitting the rest of the EVs to go into the Defenses, and one of the Attacks and not Speed since the mayority of them are slow. For an annoying and non-attacking Umbreon (but be aware of the move Taunt, which will stop you from using moves that don’t attack directly), you can go with a 252HP/252Def/6SpDef set. That is if you know you really want it to resist physical attacks more than Special Attacks. If you want it to resist Special Attacks, get the 252 EVs into Special Defense. If you want it to be a generalized Umbreon because you don’t know if you’ll encounter more Physical attacks than Special attacks, you can split the EV like 252HP/132Def/126SpDef, but be aware that it won’t take hits as well as if you had used a set specialized in only one of the defenses.

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  • RockinXRockinX Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Active Battlers' Friend Codes:
    RockinX (Diamond): 0301-6425-9658
    Kay (Diamond): 2277-9321-5433 -- (Platinum): 4253-9422-6181
    InvisibleInk (Diamond): 1890-7641-5153 -- (Platinum): 1419 2587 1159
    Kuribo's Shoe: 4726-3831-9680
    Chen: 1633-1499-9731
    Emerlmaster999 (Platinum): 1762-8554-8209 -- (Pearl): 5455-5864-6503
    Arikado: 0645-5958-6383
    Aggril (Pearl): 1418-3381-0393
    troublebrewing: 3824-4455-1138
    SirToasty (Diamond): 0645-2240-5346 -- (Platinum): 2836-5993-1590
    krylon666 (Plat): 5198-8471-4100
    Jugs (Platinum): 2965-4488-5135
    Eveelution (Diamond): 1934-5192-0708 -- (Platinum): 2707-7660-6352
    Rami: 1505-1815-6853
    Zerokku: 3008-4195-7069


    Tournament information:
    Well I'm tired and I want to go to sleep, so I'm just gonna post this now.

    Round 7 (Finish matches before the end of Sunday)

    RedMageDarion--- 3695-6084-2240
    Abomasnow
    Walrein
    Arcanine
    Gengar
    Mamoswine
    Magnezone
    Infernape
    Salamence
    Claydol
    Spiritomb
    vs the winner of


    Chen--- 1633-1499-9731
    Bronzong
    Gengar
    Gyarados
    Jolteon
    Magnezone
    Salamence
    Scizor
    Porygon2
    Starmie
    Swampert
    vs
    dingus xavier--- 0474-4582-3401
    Crobat
    Infernape
    Magmortar
    Empoleon
    Hariyama
    Victreebel
    Donphan
    Gyarados
    Salamence
    Metagross



    AshtonDragon--- 4726-4022-1961
    Crobat
    Typhlosion
    Gliscor
    Tentacruel
    Hariyama
    Porygon2
    Sceptile
    Togekiss
    Scizor
    Gallade
    vs
    RockinX--- 0301-6425-9658
    Blissey
    Infernape
    Rotom
    Gyarados
    Donphan
    Bronzong
    Dusknoir
    Ambipom
    Starmie
    Scizor

    Chen and dingus, please have your battle ASAP. This tournament is very close to completion, and I don't want to delay this round any more than it has been already.

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  • edited May 2009
    blue dot!

    also, it sucks when you chain something and then end up realizing you have the wrong lead halfway through instead of the synchronizer :(.

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  • ReynoldsReynolds Gone Fishin'Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I've been playing Endless Frontier when I should be working on Pokemon. Boo, me!

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  • edited May 2009
    i've been playing ff12 too! also, i am busy chaining beldum still, with my ds on sleep mode. 10 shinies so far out of 16! so darn difficult to capture.

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  • ZerokkuZerokku Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I've been playing Blue Dragon and Mass Effect when I should have been EV training.

    That reminds me. Any one have time for 6 IV battles? >.>

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  • RockinXRockinX Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I could go with one or two IV battle. One or two.

    And you still owe me a tutor move.

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  • RamiRami Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I'm eating a pizza. Then, more battles.

    Rami on
  • RockinXRockinX Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I'm online, Zerokku.

    I could go for another battle, Rami. I won't be so obnoxious this time.

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  • ZerokkuZerokku Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Sorry had to go afk for a bit, jumping online momentarily.

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  • dingus xavierdingus xavier Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    As always I can battle on Shoddy, but I haven't gotten around to buying yet another router yet.

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  • RamiRami Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Okay I'm ready for more battles.

    Rami on
  • ZerokkuZerokku Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Rockin would you mind doing one more with me real quick?

    Rami would you mind me cutting in? xD

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  • RockinXRockinX Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I'm getting on. I need to check these Pokés IVs.

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  • RamiRami Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    My battle is up so join whenever.

    Rami on
  • THEPAIN73THEPAIN73 Shiny. Real shiny.Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    New thread yay!

    Yeah I wish I could be in the tourney but I just have too much going on right now.

    Boo adult life haha.

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  • RockinXRockinX Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Oops. I forgot, Rami. I'll choose a team and get on.

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  • RamiRami Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Ah sorry I forgot to turn the mic off.

    Rami on
  • SirToastySirToasty Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Holy jeez that thread went by quick.

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  • RockinXRockinX Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Rami wrote: »
    Ah sorry I forgot to turn the mic off.

    Did you hear me saying some obscenity or something?

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  • RamiRami Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    No but the sound is at half volume with the mic on so I realised quickly.

    Rami on
  • RockinXRockinX Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    GG. Swiftwind was good for something at last.

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  • RamiRami Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    GG. I knew I should have baton passed, although I was pretty sure I had the kill with the second earthquake at the end.

    Rami on
  • RockinXRockinX Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Rami wrote: »
    GG. I knew I should have baton passed, although I was pretty sure I had the kill with the second earthquake at the end.

    It's happened several times now. It's a bit weird. First it did more than halfm then it does less than half WTF.

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  • InvisibleInkInvisibleInk Po,OrRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Rami, still up for a fight?

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  • RamiRami Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Oh, yeah sure. Let me just rejig my team again cause there's still quite a few here I haven't tried yet.

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  • InvisibleInkInvisibleInk Po,OrRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    all right, I'm heading online.

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  • InvisibleInkInvisibleInk Po,OrRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I guess I should have known Pursuit wasn't coming when you didn't use it right away.

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  • InvisibleInkInvisibleInk Po,OrRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    god damn you Rami and your "strategy" and your "good ideas" and your "playing way better than me" and all of that bullshit...
    man can't my Lapras catch one damn break

    That was a good game though. Solid team.
    If you want I could go for another match, different teams.

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  • RamiRami Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    GG Ink, pretty tense there.

    I don't understand why you didn't earthquake my Forretress, I'm such an idiot I didn't even realise he would get wrecked by it until after but then it never came anyway.

    I uploaded the video, is it okay to post it?

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  • InvisibleInkInvisibleInk Po,OrRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    uh, yeah ok go ahead and post it.
    But I would really like a rematch.

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  • RamiRami Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Rami vs Ink Epic Battle of Wonder - 57-53008-46434

    How long are you around? I'm probably not going to be here for the next 60-120 minutes or so. If not then definitely tomorrow.

    I really want to like my leafeon but it keeps coming out at the crappiest times.

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  • InvisibleInkInvisibleInk Po,OrRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Tomorrow then Rami. I'll probably be to tired in an hour.
    Battle of Wonder? I wish.
    I was pretty unhappy with my performance. Fling could be ok if I didn't throw it away so immediately. If I had held back it might have proven useful.
    and I really need to stop with Lapras. It just isn't working. Can't beleive it did so little against Mantine. Fuck, really though it had a pretty damn good atk stat at that point.
    Also, I hate Stealth Rock and I never should have played that game of trying to keep it set up. Never should have bothered.
    You were a step ahead Rami (damn you)
    hah at least 2 criticals against Forretress and it never died.

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  • RamiRami Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I'm pretty pissed I switched into a gengar with fucking HP fire but then how was I to know.

    Also why did I X-Scissor when knock off would have finished him as well plus been useful if you switched? I spent a while contemplating sunny day at tangrowth for the inevitable water switch and I guess you did as well, wish I'd gone with it the first time.

    And yes, I was very surprised when you SR'd so late into the game. You know what though? Surviving that HP fire with 1 hp left from full, and then when the berry activated you must have thought it was a focus sash instead of insanely dumb luck.

    And to your credit, you anticipated the ground switch in to what I figured was a choice banded thunder punch.

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  • Clint EastwoodClint Eastwood My baby's in there someplace She crawled right inRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Oh boy I can not wait for these g/s remakes

    Mainly I'm just looking forward to the Kanto part. Never really liked Johto that much.

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  • MastaPMastaP Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Anyone want to battle me? I want to try out some new pokes

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  • MastaPMastaP Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Anyone?

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  • RamiRami Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    eh I could I guess, although I'm really tired so performance will suffer

    Rami on
  • Kay2Kay2 Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    And another new thread. For the Tournament!

    Gotta head to work, otherwise I'd battle, y'know.

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  • AshtonDragonAshtonDragon AKA The Nix Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Started breeding for a new pokemon yesterday. It's not a part of my tournament team, but I still look forward to using it.

    There's been 13 teams sent to me so far. I can still think of a few regular posters who haven't sent a team, so I'm pretty confident we'll at least get 16 people. Probably more.

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  • Kay2Kay2 Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I've not sent a team!

    I've not even THOUGHT about it yet.

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