the only surprising thing about this is that it went on as long as it did
No, see, that'd be true if it had gone on for five, maybe six years.
But 12 years? DNF being in development was a fact of life. It was one of the few constants in our ever-changing world. Hell, it was so stable a fact that you could have based philosophical schools of thought on the universal truth that Duke Nukem Forever would always be in development.
It's like if the sky suddenly turned rainbow colored, or entropy spontaneously reversing itself.
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augustwhere you come from is goneRegistered Userregular
edited May 2009
It's the end of an era of making jokes about these guys.
At least now some employees can maybe speak up and give us the dirt on what the fuck ganja weed they've been smoking over there all these years.
I have a theory that I think should be watched. We are now about 3 years away from the end of the world in 2012, right? So, DNF gets passed on to another developer, right? And it kills them too. But its closer to release. So it gets passed to another dev team, and destroys them. Each time it gets closer and closer to release and destroys all known companies, except for EA.
EA then picks up the title in 2012, shoves it on to shelves...and its so beautiful and wonderful that it kills the entire world like in Raiders of the Lost Ark.
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"Historians exercise great power and some of them know it. They recreate the past, changing it to fit their own interpretations. Thus, they change the future as well." - Leto II
I have a theory that I think should be watched. We are now about 3 years away from the end of the world in 2012, right? So, DNF gets passed on to another developer, right? And it kills them too. But its closer to release. So it gets passed to another dev team, and destroys them. Each time it gets closer and closer to release and destroys all known companies, except for EA.
EA then picks up the title in 2012, shoves it on to shelves...and its so beautiful and wonderful that it kills the entire world like in Raiders of the Lost Ark.
After passing hands so many times, I'd be more inclined to say that the world would be destroyed on account of the pure shittiness.
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ShadowfireVermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered Userregular
nah, I think 2-3 years ago he said that gamestop didnt even exist anymore.
He could go to any Gamestop and have it honored, I'm sure. He has the receipt, and the original store is closed. It would also get a huge laugh from the staff.
They changed their system years ago and all old preorders were canceled.
Actually, no. The pre-orders were not canceled, they were transfered to the new system. All of the old pre-orders that were for titles no longer in the system were destroyed by district managers. However, something like this is a bit different. Once the DM is involved, it'll be taken care of. Also, it's five bucks.. they'll take care of it, particularly since he has the receipt.
As a software designer it strikes me that (most) of the gaming industry hasn't figured out what the majority of the programming world has. Granted there is more to making a game then programming, but there are books written on the process behind this shit. You don't just throw spaghetti against a wall and hope for the best. Whether it is setting reasonable deadlines or planning out the scope for a project, the gaming industry is filled with gross incompetence in the area of project management. Probably because it has historical not been thought of as a grown up industry so few people treat projects like they would in the rest of the software world.
At least a few companies get it right. Valve being one of them, no coincidence that they were started by two Microsoft veterans. Say what you want about Microsoft, but they at least have a process for planning/completing projects.
Valve releases games like every 3 years. Most companies can't do that.
nah, I think 2-3 years ago he said that gamestop didnt even exist anymore.
He could go to any Gamestop and have it honored, I'm sure. He has the receipt, and the original store is closed. It would also get a huge laugh from the staff.
They changed their system years ago and all old preorders were canceled.
Actually, no. The pre-orders were not canceled, they were transfered to the new system. All of the old pre-orders that were for titles no longer in the system were destroyed by district managers. However, something like this is a bit different. Once the DM is involved, it'll be taken care of. Also, it's five bucks.. they'll take care of it, particularly since he has the receipt.
nah, I think 2-3 years ago he said that gamestop didnt even exist anymore.
He could go to any Gamestop and have it honored, I'm sure. He has the receipt, and the original store is closed. It would also get a huge laugh from the staff.
They changed their system years ago and all old preorders were canceled.
Actually, no. The pre-orders were not canceled, they were transfered to the new system. All of the old pre-orders that were for titles no longer in the system were destroyed by district managers. However, something like this is a bit different. Once the DM is involved, it'll be taken care of. Also, it's five bucks.. they'll take care of it, particularly since he has the receipt.
Ten bucks!
Plus, you know, 8 years of inflation. They actually owe him $12.19!
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Olivawgood name, isn't it?the foot of mt fujiRegistered Userregular
edited May 2009
God this is so hilarious
I can't wait for Friday, because you know that's gonna be Penny Arcade strip material
I still love Romero's whole "Design unfettered by technology!" shtick from that time period. Quite simply, even today with the second decade of the 21st century around the corner, there are still very hard limits to the technology available to developers (nevermind what a developer can reasonably create in a set period of time). Console makers try to accommodate, but at the end of the day a processor is only capable of x functions over x period of time, and your design must take that into account. You have to be willing to restrict your design to what is possible, and maybe file away some of the crazier ideas for the future.
This of course says nothing about Romero's narcissism -
"At id we were making tons of money but working in a pretty small space," he says. "That didn't make sense to me. I'd be sitting at id and just couldn't understand why we were working in really low-key offices with white walls. You know, why not celebrate your success a little?"
- but that's really a different subject.
Especially if the previously quoted 3DR employee is correct, it seems that 3DR had a similar problem. You had upper management guys who had a vision for what the game was supposed to be, and then when new technology rolled along, they had to go for it because it'd "unfetter their design" even better. At the end of the day, you simply have to place your cards on the table, though. You have to choose a technological avenue and finish a product. Vision is good, design is good - but you must be aware of what technology allows you to do.
It is funny that 3DRealms had to fold in order to get this game out. I wonder how much the license is worth? I can see a number of developers that would want to get a hold of it.
Haha, "The Duke Nukem Forever List" has the updated picture of slash's receipt. He's famous now. I remember him posting that original picture, was it 2003 or 2004? Man oh man.
He was actually in a VGCats strip because of the receipt.
It is funny that 3DRealms had to fold in order to get this game out. I wonder how much the license is worth? I can see a number of developers that would want to get a hold of it.
You could get it for a song
Like, literally. Just sing George Broussard a song and he'll hand it over
I guess it's appropriate that Matt Hazard fared so poorly just two months ago.
Games have grown beyond heroes like Duke, I think
I think he's done for good
Games grew beyond heroes like Duke years ago. Coming out with a Duke game now just seems backwards, like Apple making another iMac or Bill Gates going back to building circuit boards in his oven.
Even Gears is more mature and layered than Duke Nukem. I think some of you fail to realize just how 90's the Duke is.
I guess it's appropriate that Matt Hazard fared so poorly just two months ago.
Games have grown beyond heroes like Duke, I think
I think he's done for good
Games grew beyond heroes like Duke years ago. Coming out with a Duke game now just seems backwards, like Apple making another iMac or Bill Gates going back to building circuit boards in his oven.
Even Gears is more mature and layered than Duke Nukem. I think some of you fail to realize just how 90's the Duke is.
Who says I want every game to be matured and layered. An FPS with strippers and crude humor and jokes? YES PLEASE!
Rather have that than some damn game about some war trying to be more than it is.
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Tofu wrote: Here be Littleboots, destroyer of threads and master of drunkposting.
There's nothing mature about Fenix or whatever his name is. His one-liners just aren't from some decades old movie series. And maybe less misogynistic.
There's nothing mature about Fenix or whatever his name is. His one-liners just aren't from some decades old movie series. And maybe less misogynistic.
You just listed two things that make him a more mature character than Duke.
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No, see, that'd be true if it had gone on for five, maybe six years.
But 12 years? DNF being in development was a fact of life. It was one of the few constants in our ever-changing world. Hell, it was so stable a fact that you could have based philosophical schools of thought on the universal truth that Duke Nukem Forever would always be in development.
It's like if the sky suddenly turned rainbow colored, or entropy spontaneously reversing itself.
At least now some employees can maybe speak up and give us the dirt on what the fuck ganja weed they've been smoking over there all these years.
Ancient vampires.
EA then picks up the title in 2012, shoves it on to shelves...and its so beautiful and wonderful that it kills the entire world like in Raiders of the Lost Ark.
"How pathetic, they must really want to die flying those Z-95 Headhunters"
"Historians exercise great power and some of them know it. They recreate the past, changing it to fit their own interpretations. Thus, they change the future as well." - Leto II
Actually, no. The pre-orders were not canceled, they were transfered to the new system. All of the old pre-orders that were for titles no longer in the system were destroyed by district managers. However, something like this is a bit different. Once the DM is involved, it'll be taken care of. Also, it's five bucks.. they'll take care of it, particularly since he has the receipt.
Valve releases games like every 3 years. Most companies can't do that.
Tofu wrote: Here be Littleboots, destroyer of threads and master of drunkposting.
Ten bucks!
Plus, you know, 8 years of inflation. They actually owe him $12.19!
I can't wait for Friday, because you know that's gonna be Penny Arcade strip material
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This of course says nothing about Romero's narcissism -
- but that's really a different subject.
Especially if the previously quoted 3DR employee is correct, it seems that 3DR had a similar problem. You had upper management guys who had a vision for what the game was supposed to be, and then when new technology rolled along, they had to go for it because it'd "unfetter their design" even better. At the end of the day, you simply have to place your cards on the table, though. You have to choose a technological avenue and finish a product. Vision is good, design is good - but you must be aware of what technology allows you to do.
He was actually in a VGCats strip because of the receipt.
You could get it for a song
Like, literally. Just sing George Broussard a song and he'll hand it over
Music is all that brings him joy anymore
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Games have grown beyond heroes like Duke, I think
I think he's done for good
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NOOOOOO
It's gonna be like one map and two weapons
And the open source community will still take it to completion in less than two years
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Now I'm off to play Gears of War 2 and maybe Chronicles of Riddick.
Yea, you're right.
Because dudes like Master Chief and Marcus Fenix are so much more complex, amirite?
Duke would pwn those guys. Shrink ray and squish. Or freeze then kick. Or MIGHTY FOOT activated.
Okay point taken on Gears of War but Riddick is a far cooler and more interesting character than Duke ever was
e: Shit even Master Chief was more interesting
And I never even played past Halo 1
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Games grew beyond heroes like Duke years ago. Coming out with a Duke game now just seems backwards, like Apple making another iMac or Bill Gates going back to building circuit boards in his oven.
Even Gears is more mature and layered than Duke Nukem. I think some of you fail to realize just how 90's the Duke is.
Who says I want every game to be matured and layered. An FPS with strippers and crude humor and jokes? YES PLEASE!
Rather have that than some damn game about some war trying to be more than it is.
Tofu wrote: Here be Littleboots, destroyer of threads and master of drunkposting.
Someone post the screenshot that has the message from the devs saying "We beat Duke Nukem Forever. Twice!"
You just listed two things that make him a more mature character than Duke.
I'm all about that shit
Duke was never that shit
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sorry, couldn't help self.
Tofu wrote: Here be Littleboots, destroyer of threads and master of drunkposting.
Being more mature than fucking Duke Nukem doesn't mean your game still can't be a childish piece of macho-fantasy garbage. Duke Nukem is low.
Yeah, I was gonna say
Being more mature than Duke Nukem is like, "being able to walk up stairs" on the list of Things You Can Be Proud Of
Not that I'm dissing the disabled
Oh yeah, totally
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Pssh... your face, your ass... what's the difference?