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Pre Fight Debate Thread: Bracket 10
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Match A:
Sinestro
Powers: Oddly shaped head, Qwardian power ring which makes hard light constructs and weapons limited only by the user's will and imagination.
Vs.
Loki
Powers: Vast magical powers, typical superhuman attributes of Asgardian race such as extended longevity and superhuman strength, great intellect, shape-shifter
Environment: Thanagar. Neither competitor may go off planet. Or be thrown off planet by the opponent.
Match B
Lex Luthor
Powers: Genius intellect, skilled hand to hand combatant.
Equipment: One .45 handgun, rapier. Lex Luthor does not have access to his battlesuit for this match.
Vs.
Ra's Al Ghul
Powers: Genius intellect, skilled hand to hand combatant, skilled alchemist, skilled fencer
Equipment: One .45 handgun, rapier.
Environment: The Baxter Building. Both opponents have full access to all equipment. Leaving the building results in a disqualification.
Sinestro
Powers: Oddly shaped head, Qwardian power ring which makes hard light constructs and weapons limited only by the user's will and imagination.
Vs.
Loki
Powers: Vast magical powers, typical superhuman attributes of Asgardian race such as extended longevity and superhuman strength, great intellect, shape-shifter
Environment: Thanagar. Neither competitor may go off planet. Or be thrown off planet by the opponent.
Match B
Lex Luthor
Powers: Genius intellect, skilled hand to hand combatant.
Equipment: One .45 handgun, rapier. Lex Luthor does not have access to his battlesuit for this match.
Vs.
Ra's Al Ghul
Powers: Genius intellect, skilled hand to hand combatant, skilled alchemist, skilled fencer
Equipment: One .45 handgun, rapier.
Environment: The Baxter Building. Both opponents have full access to all equipment. Leaving the building results in a disqualification.
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The other fight is going to be awesome.
How the fuck is Lex screwed?
He's far better with electronics than Ras. And everything in the Baxter building is electronic.
because, fuck me, lex is awesome
also loki
loki all the way
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How is Ra's with tech?
Also, remember that Mr. Fantastic isn't exactly an arms dealer.
Uh, I dunno how much you know about the Baxter Building, but it's full of tech
He's Lex fucking Luthor.
All he needs is particle accelerator and a few moments.
I'm thinking Lex and Loki.
Lex goes to construct a super powerful doomsday weapon that can erase RA's from existence.
Ra's Al Ghul goes up and stabs his fucking throat with the sword.
Loki wins his fight hands down. He's all shifty and manipulative, he'll weasel his way to victory somehow.
Lex and Loki are my picks.
Then Robo-Lex explodes, as real Lex smiles and sips champaign watching Ra's die a slow and painful death.
It's Lex Flippin' Luthor!
Ra's and Lex is a good fight too, but the enviroment leads me to think that Lex can probably sneak around, figure something out and get the job done.
Lex would be like a horribly deadly kid in a playground full of horribly deadly toys, and Loki is too tricky for Sinestro.
But then I haven't been reading Civil War, so there might be a fucking Thor clone next to the box of rape-o-matics.
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This would have been more amusing and current if I did it like ten years ago, when Louis&Clark was still on the air. Yeah.
To be honest I really just completely ripped off Robot Chicken.
The Baxter Building may not be full of deadly weapons, but it is full of equipment that a fertile mind like Luthor could quite easily and quickly convert into deadly weapons. The building also has a security system, probably with lasers, and really, Lex just has to hijack that thing and he wins. Especially since Reed Richards, according to Tony Stark, sucks at making his computers hacker-proof.
But yeah, the Baxter Building is full of potential deadly weapons and rooms that could be turned into horrible deathtraps with only the most basic of modifications.
And I'm pretty sure Ra's, who is on par with Batman, can bypass a sci-fi security system.
I really don't see the Baxter Building as a deathtrap waiting to happen when Franklin's constantly running around, and is capable of getting into restricted areas. Like I said, Reed isn't an arms manufacturer and the FF's powers are generally all they take with them on adventures. Aside from the Thor clone, it's all been for the benefit of mankind.
And the swords and guns may be right there, but they don't allow you to find and shoot someone in half with a laser beam from a locked room across the building.
And Ra's may be on par with Batman, but Luthor is much, much more of a technical genius than either of them. He would be able to take control of the security system and keep in control.
And you may not think of the Baxter Building as a potential death trap, but it totally is. It almost certainly has lasers for security reasons. After all, gas or cages won't stop a squad of Skrulls from wrecking up the place, or Annihilus from getting out. You need heavy ordinance for that.
There's also lasers for scientific purposes, cutting through exotic materials and such. It would only take Luthor moments to customize that thing.
They both have total access not only to the equipment already installed in the building, but also to Reed Richards' tools and other inventing equipment.
Ra's is much more of a chemist than an engineer and super-technician. There is technology all over the place, but only a small place where he could get anything to cook up some deadly poison, which is a much more delicate operation than improvising a battery for a laser you yanked off the ceiling and a force field generator you unscrewed from the wall.
Also, Reed definitely has weapons in the Baxter Building for his own use, in case he needs to defend himself against a powerful foe.
The Baxter Building is full of science and technology that could easily be converted into pretty much any horrible weapon by the likes of Lex Luthor. To deny this is simply laughable, I mean, come on. That would mean that there is nothing in the Baxter Building that is potentially lethal, when much less advanced and complex buildings are full of potential death traps.
Ra's doesn't have the technical expertise to turn whatever equipment can be found in the Baxter Building into ray guns or whatever. He's a fearsome opponent even without them.
It's just that the fight, due to its super high-tech backdrop, definitely favours Luthor because, baby, in the Baxter Building he is like a kid in a candy store.
In fact, taking a security laser off from the ceiling isn't going to give you a particularly useful weapon. It's inaccurate and not weighted for combat, and chances are the power source wasn't in the laser itself either. A scientific laser, meanwhile, certainly isn't designed to be a handy weapon so much as a highly precise device made to cut through stationary objects located a couple of feet in front of you on a table.
Seriously, even with Skrulls and Annihilus, 90% of the time the people breaking in are The Masked Marvel or The Power Pack for another edition of Marvel Team-Up. Spider-Man breaking in just to prove himself kind of set a precedent.
And how many times has the security system gone haywire and attacked the FF themselves, Franklin included? If Franklin isn't going to be offed that way, then neither is Ra's who'll know how to avoid surveilance and therefore the attacks directed at him.
I'm sure Lex could put something mean together, but given unfamiliarity with the lab and time constraints I doubt he'd have a proper chance to.
Video cameras, ceiling-mounted lasers that can be controlled from across the building, that is what I am getting at.
If Lex hacks the security system, he probably won't give Ra's a moment's notice before he shoots his head off with a laser beam or some shit like that. And Hacking the security system is completely different from it going haywire. Apparently Reed's firewalling sucks, so Luthor could easily break in, seeing as he is just as big a genius, at least on the technical side, as Reed.
It's still full of lasers and forcefields and any number of machines and devices that could be turned into deadly weapons.
And Luthor is a biiiig genius. He can modify whatever technology he finds so that it suits his standards properly. He can take off whatever parts are not necessary, twiddle with the settings a bit, weld a handle to it, cross some wires, wrench a power cell from a H.E.R.B.I.E. unit and presto, one portable laser cannon, ready to go.
Lather rinse and repeat, only with a force field generator, and hey, rudimentary protective bubble!
I don't see what's so difficult about this. Lex is an incredible scientific genius who can build robots and lasers and what have you with the most basic materials. He is easily on par with Richards as far as tech stuff goes, so why shouldn't he be able to convert whatever useful objects he finds into more powerful weapons and protection?
And what time restraints? He could just lock himself in the lab so he won't be able to be disturbed and then, when he's ready, he can come looking for Ra's with a motion detector he also built, or infrared goggles.
Lex/Ra's is the best thing ever. I can see Lex cobbling a crude powersuit together out of gadgets and spare parts, but that takes time. If he can find a way to stave Ra's off, he can take the fight, if not, it is still anyone's game. In fact, I'd prefer a straight swordfight, with one of them capping the other in the gut while their blades are locked.
Unless the camera you're using to aim the laser has fucking cross hairs on it, you won't be making accurate attacks. Furthermore, I doubt the FF even has a control room for their security system since none of them spend any time in a security control room, I've never heard mention of a control room, and it's an obvious liability to have one room that your foes can break into and then use to swiftly turn your defenses against you. Pretty sure Reed keeps the controls for the security system on himself.
I also don't think Lex is on par with Reed. The Lex face tower isn't on par with the Baxter Building, and when has Lex ever made a trip into space or visited another dimension? Hell, most of his best stuff is borrowed from Apokolips.
The time constraints were the ones that come with BEING HUNTED DOWN, but I guess I forgot that Lex can just lock a door and remain undisturbed for as long as he wants.
His tower isn't as advanced as the Baxter Building because it's more an office building than it is purely a research center like the Baxter Building is. But to deny that Lex is an incredibly scientific and technological genius is simply laughable and you should just stop it. You're just wrong. He's really, really, really smart and skilled with machines.
Lex doesn't visit other dimensions or go to space because he has people to do that for him. He's been to space once, though, in an orbiting space station, which he probably built, along with a bunch of villains.
He's one of the smartest people on DC earth. He would certainly be able to understand the Baxter Building's technology. He has worked with Motherboxes and Apokoliptian battlesuits, compared to that, anything in the Baxter Building is laughably obsolete. That's not to say that he could surpass Richards in inventing shit, but Lex would certainly know how to operate and modify the vast majority of technology in the building.
And he can't just lock the door, he can weld it shut as well.
Lex is technology-oriented. This gives him a definite advantage in the Baxter Building.
Bye bye time, Mr. al-Ghul.
remember in enemy of the state when those aim dudes jacked his disc and it was just jam-packed with terrifying devices to end all life in the universe and even the dudes from aim were like jesus christ reed richards!
Still, not buying the possibility that Lex could beat Ra's with a laser, though. Tons of heroes shoot lasers and laser equivalents from their hands, but I wouldn't expect them to best Ra's in combat.
And speaking of hacking into the buildings systems, didn't Ra's hack into Batman's computers and steal his files on how to beat the Justice League?
actually he had talia do it
and really? because i would expect anyone who could stand more than fifteen feet away from ra's to be able to shoot him pretty easy.
it's not like he wears a lot of chest armor