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Rocky Balboa

chickenmaniachickenmania Registered User regular
edited January 2007 in Debate and/or Discourse
I'm a huge fan of the first Rocky movie and I - and I know I'm in the great minority on this topic - don't hate the sequels (except the fifth one...wtf was that?). My kid brother and I used to borrow the movies all at once from some cheap one dollar rental place and have Rocky marathons, which is kind of sad in retrospect, actually. We'd do this maybe once every two months and kept it up for a real long time (maybe a year or two). Anyway, we went to see Casino Royale the other day and saw the trailer for the new Rocky. After it ended, we both turne to each other and said, "That looks fucking awesome." Here's the trailer: http://youtube.com/watch?v=jkpwVzoHvFg

Now, I know that the story seems utterly ridiculous. Yes, he's old. Of course there's no way in hell some sixty year old could fight with a young champion like this Mason "The Line" Dixon (excellent name, btw) character. But Rocky is pretty much an encapsulation of every underdog story ever and, really, this new storyline doesn't seem completely moronic if you look at in context. I mean, I don't expect that Rocky will win this fight (I hope he doesn't, at least), but if he gets in a few good punches and maybe even lasts fifteen rounds (like his first Apollo Creed fight), I'll come out happy.

So, yeah. I'll be there, probably opening night, with my brother in tow. We'll probably end up watching the whole series the day before or something to get us in a Rocky mood. What about you guys? Does this movie seem like it'll completely blow? Are my expectations raised to unfair levels by my own fond memories of the movies an the time spent with my brother watching them? Is anybody even planning on seeing this at any point?

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  • YallYall Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    I never saw Rocky V, but I loved I-IV.

    As movies go, the first 2 were actually good films. Everything after that seemed more like action-hero stuff, but I still enjoyed them.

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  • RoundBoyRoundBoy Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    The original Rocky was simply 'ok'... the rest were garbage. yes, even with Mr. T.

    When your next movie was already a joke in the Spaceballs movie, then you can take it as a sign not to make it.

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  • Dublo7Dublo7 Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    RoundBoy wrote:
    The original Rocky was simply 'ok'... the rest were garbage. yes, even with Mr. T.

    When your next movie was already a joke in the Spaceballs movie, then you can take it as a sign not to make it.

    But nobody likes Spaceballs.

    Anyway, I'll definitely see the movie, although I won't be expecting much.
    Wasn't Rocky supposed to retire like... 4 times?

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  • LondonBridgeLondonBridge __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2006
    This is the only film I'm stoked to see this season, the trailer brings a tear to my eye every time.

    On a side note Stallone is already producing Rambo IV and thats looking pretty good so far. Looks like Stallone is tying up his franchises as I think he is going to stop acting and settle with writing. Say what you want about his acting but his writing skills are some of the best in Hollywood's history.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Dublo7 wrote:
    RoundBoy wrote:
    The original Rocky was simply 'ok'... the rest were garbage. yes, even with Mr. T.

    When your next movie was already a joke in the Spaceballs movie, then you can take it as a sign not to make it.

    But nobody likes Spaceballs.
    o_O O_o

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  • LondonBridgeLondonBridge __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2006
    Fencingsax wrote:
    Dublo7 wrote:
    RoundBoy wrote:
    The original Rocky was simply 'ok'... the rest were garbage. yes, even with Mr. T.

    When your next movie was already a joke in the Spaceballs movie, then you can take it as a sign not to make it.

    But nobody likes Spaceballs.
    o_O O_o

    Double WTF o_O O_o

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  • DynagripDynagrip Break me a million hearts HoustonRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2006
    Seriously, Mel Brooks sucks. I tried watching Space Balls again not too long ago and I couldn't make it past halfway.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited December 2006
    Yeah, spaceballs is a really lame movie. I only got halfway as well. Blazing Saddles is pretty good though.

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  • omgboomlolomgboomlol __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2006
    Stallone is nearly as old as the actor that played Mickey when the first Rocky movie was released.

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  • LondonBridgeLondonBridge __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2006
    Yeah, spaceballs is a really lame movie. I only got halfway as well. Blazing Saddles is pretty good though.

    Spaceballs is the Borat of the 1980s! How can you not laugh at a guy wearing a big dark helmet???

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  • omgboomlolomgboomlol __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2006
    Oh, and Rick Moranis was great in Spaceballs, you homps.

    Edit: So was John Candy.

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  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Mel Brooks is 90% overrated.

    Anyway, I'm very excited for this movie. I think the franchise gets a bad rap because the fifth movie sucked hard, but really the other 4 were fantastic, I think. I think people are aware of that, though, so I expect them to get back to quality with this movie.

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  • omgboomlolomgboomlol __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2006
    Right around 4 is where it got kind of stupid to me. The whole "ROCKY VS DOLPH LUNDGREN VS COMMUNISM VS DRUGS!!!" thing seemed really laughable.

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  • TallahasseerielTallahasseeriel Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    So.

    [spoiler:147ad5600f]Will Rocky die in this one?[/spoiler:147ad5600f]

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  • mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Variable wrote:
    Mel Brooks is 90% overrated.

    Anyway, I'm very excited for this movie. I think the franchise gets a bad rap because the fifth movie sucked hard, but really the other 4 were fantastic, I think. I think people are aware of that, though, so I expect them to get back to quality with this movie.

    Spaceballs was funnier when I was 12.

    I've actually repressed Rocky V. I don't remember anything about it, except that it was godawful. As for the prior four, there was a definite downward trend starting with the first movie...not that this is unusual with sequels.

    Rocky was a great movie.
    Rocky II was a damn good sequel to it.
    Rocky III...well, Mr. T was cooler in the '80s. On the plus side, "Eye of the Tiger," bitches.
    Rocky IV...well, let's just say Dolph Lundgren isn't known for being in good movies. Somewhere south of Rocky III and north of "absolutely godawful."

    Then there is Rocky V, the movie so bad that I've repressed it like some sort of dirty childhood trauma.

    Now, looking at the preview for Rocky Balboa, it looks like it cannot possibly be worse than Rocky V, and should be better than Rocky IV as well. Which means that worst case it will be no worse than Rocky III.

    So yeah, I'll probably go see it.

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  • Dublo7Dublo7 Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Uriel wrote:
    So.

    [spoiler:efedc5aec8]Will Rocky die in this one?[/spoiler:efedc5aec8]
    Yeah, and then in Rocky 7, the Italian Stallion will go up against Satan himself.

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  • omgboomlolomgboomlol __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2006
    Dublo7 wrote:
    Uriel wrote:
    So.

    [spoiler:adb9229204]Will Rocky die in this one?[/spoiler:adb9229204]
    Yeah, and then in Rocky 7, the Italian Stallion will go up against Satan himself.
    Who will insist that instead of boxing they will wrestle lucha libre style. Rocky will later find out that he will have to win this match to save Jesus from communism.

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  • LondonBridgeLondonBridge __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2006
    I remember seeing Rocky III & IV in the theaters (yeah, I'm that old). Rocky III was pretty scary as Mr. T was one mean mother fucker in it. Rocky IV was a interesting experience as it was released when the Cold War was still raging and we hated the Soviets. When Rocky was pounding on Drago the audience was cheering like it was a real match, I'm hoping for this same experience with the new film!

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  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Dublo7 wrote:
    Uriel wrote:
    So.

    [spoiler:d0bb300bda]Will Rocky die in this one?[/spoiler:d0bb300bda]
    Yeah, and then in Rocky 7, the Italian Stallion will go up against Satan himself.

    I would fucking watch that. I would watch it so hard.

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  • mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    I wonder if the fight between Apollo Creed and Ivan Drago, with the huge flashy intro and what not, was intended to be a statement on how America's hubris could very well lead to our end. I mean, it's otherwise a "rah rah go America" flick, but that part always struck me as having a deeper message.

    Then again, maybe I just see it that way because I hate our freedom.

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  • omgboomlolomgboomlol __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2006
    mcdermott wrote:
    I wonder if the fight between Apollo Creed and Ivan Drago, with the huge flashy intro and what not, was intended to be a statement on how America's hubris could very well lead to our end. I mean, it's otherwise a "rah rah go America" flick, but that part always struck me as having a deeper message.

    Then again, maybe I just see it that way because I hate our freedom.
    You're probably reading way too deep into it. Given the movie I'm surprised you didn't develop a good case of brain goodbye when you watched it.

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Stallone was on Monday Night Football last night.

    Basically he said that he's wanting to make this movie for a while, because he didn't like V either, and didn't want that to be the endpoint of the franchise.

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  • Darth WaiterDarth Waiter Elrond Hubbard Mordor XenuRegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    mcdermott wrote:
    I wonder if the fight between Apollo Creed and Ivan Drago, with the huge flashy intro and what not, was intended to be a statement on how America's hubris could very well lead to our end. I mean, it's otherwise a "rah rah go America" flick, but that part always struck me as having a deeper message.

    Then again, maybe I just see it that way because I hate our freedom.

    I agree with you on this one. There were definite thematic elements of "pride before the fall" and redemption through effort. But, I may have read too much into it as well. I was reading Homer at the time and I saw subtext in everything.

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  • revolverevolve Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Dublo7 wrote:
    Uriel wrote:
    So.

    [spoiler:4fb6221415]Will Rocky die in this one?[/spoiler:4fb6221415]
    Yeah, and then in Rocky 7, the Italian Stallion will go up against Satan himself.

    I'm pretty sure that in Rocky 7, the Italian Stallion goes up against Medicaid and Social Security, for cutting his benefits.

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  • YarYar Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Athenor wrote:
    Basically he said that he's wanting to make this movie for a while, because he didn't like V either, and didn't want that to be the endpoint of the franchise.
    Excellent point, Rocky.

    I always liked Cobra myself.

    Anyway, I think that the proper combination of your age and the current time period at which you first really experience a movie affects your opinion of it a lot. Mel Brooks does choke on teh cox, but if you were the right age when Spaceballs was a "new" film, it's likely that you fucking loved it. Everyone did. Hilarity. Hilarium.

    Same goes for Rocky IV, to some extent. Like half the movies that came out of Hollywood back then were somehow about US-Soviet relations. And TV was hideously saturated with Nancy Reagan's message about drugs. So we were very comfortable with the notion of "this time... Rocky wins the Cold War and the War on Drugs!"

    "If he dies, he dies." Nobody says that about Apollo Creed!!

    But Rocky V did suck. A street brawl? With an AIDS patient? Ugh.

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  • 3lwap03lwap0 Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Stallone did some interviews on AICN, that were pretty good. He does mention some stuff from his latest Rocky flick, but some other good stuff as well. I enjoyed the read.

    Part 1,
    Finally, we learn what the three sea shells are for: aka Part 2
    Part 3
    Part 4

    After reading all of those, I have a new respect for Stallone. Rocky Balboa looks to be a promising film.

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  • HeirHeir Ausitn, TXRegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    So I was reading that first intereview on AICN.

    Sly really does a good job in it.

    What I'm amazed at is some of the reader-questions that they decided to field to Sly.

    Case in point:
    Your mother, Jackie Stallone, has led a very colorful life. It's been written on the internet that she was a trapeze artist in her youth and that she invented "rumpology" (which is similar to palm reading except it involves examining rear ends instead of hands).

    Do you have a close relationship with your mother? Would you allow her to read your butt?

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Whenever 1-4 are on TV, I'll watch 'em. Rocky is awesome. I'm pretty pumped for the new one.

    Rocky is the great American hero. I mean he ended the cold war himself.

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  • mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Whenever 1-4 are on TV, I'll watch 'em. Rocky is awesome. I'm pretty pumped for the new one.

    Rocky is the great American hero. I mean he ended the cold war himself.

    I think most people have honestly decided that Rocky V isn't really even a Rocky movie...it just happens to share some of the same actors, the same title, strikingly similar characters, etc.

    I'm waiting for the eventual boxed set that only includes 1-4 and then Rocky Balboa. I'm thinking of Rocky Balboa as a "do over" for 5.

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  • milathmilath Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    I was a bit dubious when I saw the previews for Rocky the 6th, but the more I hear about the movie, the more I think it may actually not be a horrible affront to celluloid.

    I saw Sly on MNF last night, and the way he explained his motivation for doing it (sounds like even he knows Rocky V was teh suck), it really sounded like he was just trying to give the fans a Rocky worth remembering as the last one.

    Also, what the hell is with the Spaceballs hate? You're eroding my faith in humanity again. :(

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  • HeirHeir Ausitn, TXRegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    milath wrote:
    I was a bit dubious when I saw the previews for Rocky the 6th, but the more I hear about the movie, the more I think it may actually not be a horrible affront to celluloid.

    I saw Sly on MNF last night, and the way he explained his motivation for doing it (sounds like even he knows Rocky V was teh suck), it really sounded like he was just trying to give the fans a Rocky worth remembering as the last one.

    Also, what the hell is with the Spaceballs hate? You're eroding my faith in humanity again. :(

    Read the interviews a few posts up. He pretty much admits that Rocky V was one of his biggest regrets....along with "Stop or my Mom will Shoot." :lol:

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  • LondonBridgeLondonBridge __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2006
    I think Rocky V is the evil twin of Her Majesty's Secret Service. That one film in a series that we all try to forget was ever made.

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  • RaggaholicRaggaholic Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Was Rocky V the one with him fighting some guy named Tommy "Machine" Gunn or something like that?

    I was never a big fan of the Rocky movies, and I never understood why people did like them when I saw part of that one.

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  • deowolfdeowolf is allowed to do that. Traffic.Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Raggaholic wrote:
    Was Rocky V the one with him fighting some guy named Tommy "Machine" Gunn or something like that?

    I was never a big fan of the Rocky movies, and I never understood why people did like them when I saw part of that one.

    There was no Rocky V. Rocky beat communism and retired. That's it. Move along.

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  • ZonkytonkmanZonkytonkman Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Raggaholic wrote:
    Was Rocky V the one with him fighting some guy named Tommy "Machine" Gunn or something like that?

    I was never a big fan of the Rocky movies, and I never understood why people did like them when I saw part of that one.

    You really need to watch one and two to see why people are fans.

    Three was alright, but not without having already fallen in love with the characters.

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  • LondonBridgeLondonBridge __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2006
    Raggaholic wrote:
    Was Rocky V the one with him fighting some guy named Tommy "Machine" Gunn or something like that?

    I was never a big fan of the Rocky movies, and I never understood why people did like them when I saw part of that one.

    Rocky was Best Picture for 1977! It was an underdog story, just like Star Wars. Oh, interesting fact from IMDB but Sly was nominated for acting & writing. WTFG! I always like Sly, he was making a really good comeback in the 90s with Demolition Man and Cliffhanger but Judge Dredd torpedoed his career into action hero hell.

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  • urbmanurbman Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Now, I know that the story seems utterly ridiculous. Yes, he's old. Of course there's no way in hell some sixty year old could fight with a young champion like this Mason "The Line" Dixon (excellent name, btw) character.
    Wikipedia wrote:
    In 1996, Foreman returned to Tokyo, where he beat Crawford Grimsley by a 12-round decision, and in 1997, he also beat Lou Savarese by decision. After the WBC decided to give the winner of his fight with Shannon Briggs a title shot against world champion Lennox Lewis, Foreman and Briggs fought, Briggs winning a very controversial 12-round majority decision. After this bout, Foreman announced his retirement.

    He was born in 49 and this was 96, he was 47 thats old for a boxer, and then
    Wikipedia wrote:
    Foreman planned to box a return bout against Larry Holmes in 1999. The bout was scheduled to take place at the Houston Astrodome on pay per view. The fight was to be billed as "The Birthday Bash" due to both fighters upcoming birthdays. Foreman was set to make 10 million dollars and Holmes was to make 4 million dollars. However, negotiations fell through and the fight was cancelled. Immediately after the cancellation of the bout, Foreman said he had no plans to resume his career as a boxer. He announced in February 2004 he was training for one comeback fight, but his plans were stopped by his wife.

    So yea an old boxer could beat an youngin...

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  • YarYar Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    I remember the ads for Foreman's last fight. It showed him jogging around in sweats like Rocky, but instead of people joining in to jog with him, they were handing him hot dogs and cotton candy and stuff. Funny.

    Also, after he won, he just kept saying "buy my grill, buy my grill." Classic.

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  • RaggaholicRaggaholic Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    You really need to watch one and two to see why people are fans.
    I've seen the Creed/Rock fight from 2, and actually thought it was the first one. I probably would have respected the franchise a lot more had I seen the first one first.

    And, y'know... without the elephant in the room racial implications.

    But hey, I'm about to dump Netflix and restart the Blockbuster Online (since they let you do the rentals through the stores now), so I'll probably give the first two a look see.

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  • ZonkytonkmanZonkytonkman Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    i don't really understand what you're trying to say here ragg

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