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Caught driving without a license
klok
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On my way home from work I was caught speeding (doing 60 in a 35) and I got a uniform citation, but what suprised me was he said I was driving without a license... I have a learners permit and accoring to the DMV book and Website, I only need supervision while driving on the highway (which I wasn't)
He gave me a blue paper with instructions on what to do, for Infraction and Waivable Misdemeanor it has penalty and total due blank, but court costs is 110$ (It's on there twice so I guess I have to pay at least 220 dollars?). And it has a unwaivable misdemeanor so I am guessing I HAVE TO appear in court. So I am wondering what to expect.
Yeah I'm pretty stupid for driving that fast and I don't know what came over me, I'm pretty fucking bummed about this and the cop being a fucking asshole didn't make it any better. I mean not only do I have a shitload of money to pay I will probably get my license (which I don't even have) suspended.
So yes... please.... advice....
edit: also is this something I should tell my mom.. possibly making the situation worse, or is it possible to let this whole thing go by unnoticed.
He gave me a blue paper with instructions on what to do, for Infraction and Waivable Misdemeanor it has penalty and total due blank, but court costs is 110$ (It's on there twice so I guess I have to pay at least 220 dollars?). And it has a unwaivable misdemeanor so I am guessing I HAVE TO appear in court. So I am wondering what to expect.
Yeah I'm pretty stupid for driving that fast and I don't know what came over me, I'm pretty fucking bummed about this and the cop being a fucking asshole didn't make it any better. I mean not only do I have a shitload of money to pay I will probably get my license (which I don't even have) suspended.
So yes... please.... advice....
edit: also is this something I should tell my mom.. possibly making the situation worse, or is it possible to let this whole thing go by unnoticed.
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In my country it`s 3 strikes and it`s back to school (and also pay it all over again) if you have only that permit and not the real thing.
is it possible to let this whole thing go by unnoticed.
Yes.. If the fine is adressed to you
Just pay it and your mom won`t ever know you fucked up
If it's your first speeding ticket, you can usually take a class to have it dropped -- but with the license stuff I dunno. Prepare to have your wallet raped. If you're insured with your Mom, she'll probably notice when her bill goes up.
I mean it states on the website
"The permit holder must, while operating a motor vehicle over the highways, be accompanied by a person who is licensed to operate the motor vehicle being driven and is seated beside the permit holder."
It says nothing about YOU MUST BE ACCOMPANIED BY SOMEONE WHO IS LICESNED TO OPERATE THE MOTOR VEHICLE AT ALL TIMES.
Maybe it says it elsewhere though.
I could be wrong, and if I am I'll buy a hat and then eat it.
Edit: Your post. Hmm...
-Thinatos
First thing you need to do is call the city clerk. The number should be on the back of your ticket. They'll be able to explain your questions better than we can. For example, $110 may just be the court costs and the fine for each infraction is separate (so you'd pay $110 + whatever the city has assigned for speeding and driving without a license). You can also find out if your city offers defensive driving courses in which case you can possible mitigate some of the fine and the points that would go on your license.
Did you ask the officer about this when he pulled you over?
Yeah and he just said "Nope, you need a driver's license" or some shit like that and then walked off.
I'm pretty sure NCDOT is just using a very obtuse term for roads.
high·way /ˈhaɪˌweɪ/
1. a main road, esp. one between towns or cities: the highway between Los Angeles and Seattle.
2. any public road or waterway.
3. any main or ordinary route, track, or course.
Yes, definitely tell parents. Wouldn't be surprised if something came in the mail about it, either, so might as well 'fess up now.
Are you sure whoever wrote the website wasn't just getting a bit flowery with the language and used "highways" instead of "roadways"? Since I'm a little nebulous on whether highways itself has a specific legal definition that's distinct from roads in general.
Finland man.
Offcourse we have to go to a driving school but when it`s finished they just give us some paper crap.
And after 6 months driving with those paper shit things we get the real shit
And Klok if you haven`t yet passed you do not have any permission to drive without supervision.
But shiet the license isn`t driving the car right :P
So how long do supsensions usually last, 3 months, 6, a year?
Yeah man I deserve it, that's what makes the feeling worse, I fucked up, and there's nothing I can do to change it. It's definately hard to swallow.
Consider that a warning and don`t fuck up
But the judges usually have some discretion.
Jesus christ, that's residential - CT is right.
Tell your mom, that's a pretty ridiculous thing to try to keep hidden because, and maybe it's just me, I think she'll notice when her insurance payments go up!!
Also, according to this site, you might be looking at a bunch of points on your license, which means your insurance is gonna fucking soar.
And to be honest, I think this (obviously) proves that I wasn't ready to drive, I am pretty irresponsible and I do a lot of stupid shit (like speeding). If my license got suspended it would mean walking to work and not going any place fun, a fair punishment.
This could all be used as a LESSON LEARNED typed scenario but since I was my sister's ride to school and work it also complicates things.
edit: so according to this site, I will be paying double and a half of my insurance? (3 points for speeding, 3 for without a license so 6 =150% surcharge)
[edit] If it's her insurance policy and you're just paying your portion then she's still gonna know.
Think about the next time you do that that there`s kids and shit running on roads and what you feel after you ran someone over man
Speed limits in general are made to keep ppl safe not fuck them up
But I don`t blame you. Oh yeah one thing!
If you haven`t yet passed and you aren`t paying your driving lessons your mom is gonna know fo sho
I'm still confused...how did you end up driving without anyone (say, a parent) who should know better telling you "Hey, you can't drive by yourself"?
Did no one else around you realize this was the rule, or did you just presume it was, and go out without telling anyone?
So does the insurance go up immediately or after the court appearance?
Seriously man, don`t sweat it
I`ts nothing that serious
I don't want to sound like an asshole, but is that not common sense? It's a learner's permit, not a liscense. In the driving class didn't they cover the distinction between a learner's permit and liscense?
Hell, I don't even think you get a "full" unrestricted liscense until you turn 17.
EDIT: I remember from when I was in driver's education about 6 years ago my instructor gave me a startling statistic. He said that if a 16 year old male gets a significant ticket (i.e. speeding, etc.) that you will see somewhere around a 400% increase on insurance costs.
Let's hope your insurance company is a little more...reasonable.
this is true.
First off, go tell your parents. They will probably be upset, but better to tell them now.
As far as legal consequences, it's up in the air. In my experience, you might be able to get some leniency seeing as it is your first offense. Your parents might have a better idea of what to do as far as insurance and things go -- maybe you'll be able to take driving classes, etc.
Not sure how you convinced yourself that you were allowed to drive alone. Did you ever see your friends do it? If your parents really thought that you could drive alone on a permit, then they were sorely mistaken -- maybe they could explain this if you ever have a hearing, although ignorance isn't really an excuse. Also, if you do ever have a hearing, show up well-dressed.
All in all, no one got hurt, your car is fine, so consider yourself lucky, and live on. Good luck
relax. So you'll get a fine and maybe (MAYBE) a suspension for a year, and your insurance will go go up. It could be worse. Like I said, you could easily have killed someone at that speed, so you could spend the years suspension (and I mean this in the kindlest, gentlest way) learning not to be such a fucking idiot.
You can try and explain the highway thing... it might fly, and it might not. I've found with judges (through friends and watching my dad prosecute) that it is usually better to own up to what you did and apologize rather then to offer excuses.
My point is this: DO NOT TELL THE INSURANCE COMPANY YOU GOT A TICKET. They will definitely jack your prices up if they find out, but if you don't tell them now and they find out in two years they aren't going to drop you; they'll just up the prices then.
Obviously you could be unlucky and the insurance company could check your record right after the ticket goes through, but the odds are against it.
I'm going to second this. My first ticket was essentially dismissed and my fine reduced by half simply because I admitted that it was a mistake. Now admittedly my offense wasn't as severe as yours nor was I a minor, but judges can be sympathetic. Dress for success and be respectful (Yes Your Honor, etc.) and there's a good chance the judge will give you a lighter sentence.
You really need to talk to the clerk though. Not only will they tell you what your fine is, they can also answer important questions like "Am I eligible for a defensive driving class?" I'd wager no or at the very least at this point it's either the judges discretion or part of the sentence, but it never hurts to ask. Typically a defensive driving class will at the very least wipe out the points you'd receive and at the most wipes out everything except maybe a fine. The most important about this is that it can help you avoid insurance premium increases.
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Also, did your parents really not know that you have to drive with adult supervision when you have a permit?? i cant even fathom it