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Howdy, I recently stumbled upon a bottle of Whiskey Sours from about 25 years ago or so, used it in a short film I was shooting over the course of the past two months, and now want to drink it to celebrate.
I know regular whiskey doesn't go bad, but does the sours part of the whiskey cause it to be bad?
And by bad, he means that is tastes bad, oxidation and stuff. Not crap-grows-in-it-that-will-rip-your-intestines-apart-bad. If you have an alcoholic content above, say 20%, nothing will grow in it. I don't know what's in the "sours" part of the whiskey and how much alcohol is in there.
Be a man, just taste it.
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ShogunHair long; money long; me and broke wizards we don't get alongRegistered Userregular
edited May 2009
I've never heard of a bottle of Whiskey Sours. Is this some sort of brand? A whiskey sour is a mixed drink. Typically bourbon with some sweet n sour mix.
I've never heard of a bottle of Whiskey Sours. Is this some sort of brand? A whiskey sour is a mixed drink. Typically bourbon with some sweet n sour mix.
No, that is a bourbon sour. A whiskey sour would require whiskey with the sweet-and-sour mix.
I've never heard of a bottle of Whiskey Sours. Is this some sort of brand? A whiskey sour is a mixed drink. Typically bourbon with some sweet n sour mix.
No, that is a bourbon sour. A whiskey sour would require whiskey with the sweet-and-sour mix.
Bourbon is a type of whiskey. At least here it is understood if you order a whiskey sour it will be made with bourbon.
At least here it is understood if you order a whiskey sour it will be made with bourbon.
You go to shitty bars and restaurants that make money by mixing whiskey drinks with cheap bourbon.
So, are you saying that all bourbon is cheap? Because otherwise your logic kind of falls apart. Maybe Neaden's whiskey sours get made with good bourbon.
At least here it is understood if you order a whiskey sour it will be made with bourbon.
You go to shitty bars and restaurants that make money by mixing whiskey drinks with cheap bourbon.
So, are you saying that all bourbon is cheap? Because otherwise your logic kind of falls apart. Maybe Neaden's whiskey sours get made with good bourbon.
At least here it is understood if you order a whiskey sour it will be made with bourbon.
You go to shitty bars and restaurants that make money by mixing whiskey drinks with cheap bourbon.
So, are you saying that all bourbon is cheap? Because otherwise your logic kind of falls apart. Maybe Neaden's whiskey sours get made with good bourbon.
That's like saying Pilsner is cheaper than beer. Bourbon is a type of whiskey. And "whiskey" by itself is a group of spirits that includes bourbon, rye, tennessee whiskey, canadian whiskey, scotch, and irish whiskey. All of which have cheap and expensive varieties.
At least here it is understood if you order a whiskey sour it will be made with bourbon.
You go to shitty bars and restaurants that make money by mixing whiskey drinks with cheap bourbon.
So, are you saying that all bourbon is cheap? Because otherwise your logic kind of falls apart. Maybe Neaden's whiskey sours get made with good bourbon.
That's like saying Pilsner is cheaper than beer. Bourbon is a type of whiskey. And "whiskey" by itself is a group of spirits that includes bourbon, rye, tennessee whiskey, canadian whiskey, scotch, and irish whiskey. All of which have cheap and expensive varieties.
I'm aware. However, this is like me saying American Lagers are cheaper than most beer: yes, American Lagers are a type of beer. However, it's a fantastically cheap type of beer, and by specifying the one while generalizing the other, it's pretty clear what I mean to anyone who isn't being way too pedantic in an effort to be technically right (which, as we all know, is the best kind of right).
Yes, the bottom end of whiskeys can be comparable to the bottom end of bourbon; however, the high end of most whiskeys goes way higher than the high end of bourbons. Therefore, the average cost of something that is a non-bourbon whiskey is significantly higher than the average cost of something that is a bourbon (or bourbon-style whiskey).
Of course, 99.98% of people would have understood that that's what I meant in the first place.
I would say, Thanatos, that your argument demonstrates why the "bourbon is whiskey and used in whiskey sours" argument is correct as well.
A perfectly aged, magnificent scotch is meant to be savored, preferably neat, but there are a few ways to indulge. Mixing the best of whiskeys with sweet and sour mix is a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY.
Hence, whiskey sours are mixed with bourbon, just as beer pong is played with American lagers. All of God's beautiful alcoholic drinks have their place in the great cycle of drinking problems.
I would say, Thanatos, that your argument demonstrates why the "bourbon is whiskey and used in whiskey sours" argument is correct as well.
A perfectly aged, magnificent scotch is meant to be savored, preferably neat, but there are a few ways to indulge. Mixing the best of whiskeys with sweet and sour mix is a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY.
Hence, whiskey sours are mixed with bourbon, just as beer pong is played with American lagers. All of God's beautiful alcoholic drinks have their place in the great cycle of drinking problems.
Beer pong is played with American lagers to provide sufficient incentive to win.
If those cups were filled with a decent IPA or stout, I know I'd never make a shot.
But yeah, generally, the more diluted in a cocktail an alcohol is, the cheaper the alcohol can be. Whiskey sours are pretty diluted, martinis not so much.
For the record, I knew as soon as I saw this thread earlier today it would take no time at all to devolve into a dick showing contest about whiskey knowledge.
@ OP, nobody knows what you mean when you say "bottle of whiskey sours." A bottle that actually says "whiskey sours" on it sounds like a mixer to me. If it's sealed it's probably still "safe" to drink, and probably has a a ton of preservatives besides, but it will likely taste like crap.
Look look look. Whiskey makes your penis grow. This is basic knowledge. Adding sweet and sour...well thats just beautiful. I still can't believe this is a forum. PA.
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ShogunHair long; money long; me and broke wizards we don't get alongRegistered Userregular
Man, if I order a whiskey sour and I'm served a bourbon sour....I'll drink it, but I won't be happy about it.
If you go to any bar and ask for a whiskey sour, you are going to get bottom-shelf bourbon unless you specify otherwise. And this is right and proper, since you don't need good liquor for mixed drinks.
Considering it's 25 years old, I'm willing to entertain the possibility that this is actually just some sort of soda that some marketing whizz decided would be neato to name Whisky Sours when in actual fact it's basically root-beer and lime flavoured fizzy sugar water.
I don't really feel like qualifying this left-field speculation with any actual research, though.
Does it show an alchohol content percentage on the label anywhere? I mean, I'm asking that, but ANTVGM64 hasn't posted in this thread since the OP so there's every chance he got bored waiting for a reply, drank it and shat all his organs out onto the kitchen floor.
Man, if I order a whiskey sour and I'm served a bourbon sour....I'll drink it, but I won't be happy about it.
If you go to any bar and ask for a whiskey sour, you are going to get bottom-shelf bourbon unless you specify otherwise. And this is right and proper, since you don't need good liquor for mixed drinks.
Yeah, I would say anything more then a middle quality bourbon is wasted in a whiskey sour. Just like I wouldn't use a good single malt for a mixed scotch drink.
On a related note one time I ordered a whiskey sour and the bartender made it with sprite. I did not enjoy that at all.
Man, if I order a whiskey sour and I'm served a bourbon sour....I'll drink it, but I won't be happy about it.
If you go to any bar and ask for a whiskey sour, you are going to get bottom-shelf bourbon unless you specify otherwise. And this is right and proper, since you don't need good liquor for mixed drinks.
Not in Canada! Here our Whiskey Sours are made with bottom-shelf Rye!
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And by bad, he means that is tastes bad, oxidation and stuff. Not crap-grows-in-it-that-will-rip-your-intestines-apart-bad. If you have an alcoholic content above, say 20%, nothing will grow in it. I don't know what's in the "sours" part of the whiskey and how much alcohol is in there.
Be a man, just taste it.
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No, that is a bourbon sour. A whiskey sour would require whiskey with the sweet-and-sour mix.
Ah, I was thinking more in line with premixed drinks. Like Baileys Irish Cream, Smirnof Ice and whatnot.
If it's just a mixer, i.e craploads of sugar in a water base. I'd expect it to be whiskey extra sour (get it? ho ho) after 25 years.
If it doesn't have an alcohol content it is going to make your ass explode.
You go to shitty bars and restaurants that make money by mixing whiskey drinks with cheap bourbon.
So, are you saying that all bourbon is cheap? Because otherwise your logic kind of falls apart. Maybe Neaden's whiskey sours get made with good bourbon.
edit: Esquire says use bourbon. http://www.esquire.com/drinks/whiskey-sour-drink-recipe
That's like saying Pilsner is cheaper than beer. Bourbon is a type of whiskey. And "whiskey" by itself is a group of spirits that includes bourbon, rye, tennessee whiskey, canadian whiskey, scotch, and irish whiskey. All of which have cheap and expensive varieties.
Yes, the bottom end of whiskeys can be comparable to the bottom end of bourbon; however, the high end of most whiskeys goes way higher than the high end of bourbons. Therefore, the average cost of something that is a non-bourbon whiskey is significantly higher than the average cost of something that is a bourbon (or bourbon-style whiskey).
Of course, 99.98% of people would have understood that that's what I meant in the first place.
A perfectly aged, magnificent scotch is meant to be savored, preferably neat, but there are a few ways to indulge. Mixing the best of whiskeys with sweet and sour mix is a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY.
Hence, whiskey sours are mixed with bourbon, just as beer pong is played with American lagers. All of God's beautiful alcoholic drinks have their place in the great cycle of drinking problems.
If those cups were filled with a decent IPA or stout, I know I'd never make a shot.
But yeah, generally, the more diluted in a cocktail an alcohol is, the cheaper the alcohol can be. Whiskey sours are pretty diluted, martinis not so much.
@ OP, nobody knows what you mean when you say "bottle of whiskey sours." A bottle that actually says "whiskey sours" on it sounds like a mixer to me. If it's sealed it's probably still "safe" to drink, and probably has a a ton of preservatives besides, but it will likely taste like crap.
Two webcomics for the price of one. Let the hilarity ensue.
Jordan steps back, shoots,
and
its nothing but net.
I cannot believe all you people argued about that shit you're all nerds.
Shogun Streams Vidya
But we've well soused nerds, good sir! Or madam, I can't tell under all that makeup.
If you go to any bar and ask for a whiskey sour, you are going to get bottom-shelf bourbon unless you specify otherwise. And this is right and proper, since you don't need good liquor for mixed drinks.
I don't really feel like qualifying this left-field speculation with any actual research, though.
Does it show an alchohol content percentage on the label anywhere? I mean, I'm asking that, but ANTVGM64 hasn't posted in this thread since the OP so there's every chance he got bored waiting for a reply, drank it and shat all his organs out onto the kitchen floor.
Yeah, I would say anything more then a middle quality bourbon is wasted in a whiskey sour. Just like I wouldn't use a good single malt for a mixed scotch drink.
On a related note one time I ordered a whiskey sour and the bartender made it with sprite. I did not enjoy that at all.
Not in Canada! Here our Whiskey Sours are made with bottom-shelf Rye!