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I think part of the problem with the total lack of JRPGs on the newer consoles is the DS.
Seriously. with the exception of a slim few, ALL of the good JRPGs have been coming out on the DS for the last few years. I am guessing the development costs have alot to do with that, but I have no idea really.
All I know is that I have a backlog of RPGs on my DS that I dont even want to think about how long it will take to finish. Meanwhile, the only good ones Ive played on the newer systems have been Lost Odyssey, Vesperia, Valkyria Chronicles, and Eternal Sonata wasnt bad either.
Also, with the insane popularity of the DS in Japan, it makes sense for their RPG developers to concentrate on the DS.
You know, one of these days, someone at one of these big companies is going to get this right. If you send a cease and desist about "leaked" photos of a supposed device, you're basically saying, "Hey guys, those pictures are real." Now, we can't tell you with 100 percent assurance that that's the case when it comes to those factory pics of rubber-gloved hands all over an apparently-new PS3 hardware design, but it doesn't help anyone's case when a Chinese company sends your Japanese wing a takedown notice. Keep in mind, since this thing isn't from Sony, we can't really be sure that it's the real deal, but we'll be honest -- things are starting to look mighty suspicious. Text of one of the charming messages after the break. We'll pause for comment now.
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But it has been pointed out that this could just be anybody bothering to write engadget. I know, I know. But skepticism is a good thing. It's what protects me from incessant disappointment.
Using JRPGs is a stupid measure, anyway. If you're going to measure like that, use RPGs in general, as WRPGs are growing fast.
RPGs in general only makes slightly more sense; it's still a bad measure of anything. You can only judge the quality of a console's library by looking across a wide range of genres.
It makes no sense to pronounce the 360's library disappointing because it's lacking in a few Japanese niche genres.
We can definitely talk about how impressive the libraries of the major consoles are this gen, but, "This one doesn't have a lot of JRPGS" is not a productive way to begin that discussion.
Based on that takedown, I have to say if I wind up having to eat my words earlier in this thread, and Sony puts that thing out, there had better be a price drop to go with it. Or I am going to hunt down every manager ever involved with PS3 decision making and beat them until they can explain to me how they could think the PS3s size is the primary thing holding it back.
I think part of the problem with the total lack of JRPGs on the newer consoles is the DS.
Seriously. with the exception of a slim few, ALL of the good JRPGs have been coming out on the DS for the last few years. I am guessing the development costs have alot to do with that, but I have no idea really.
All I know is that I have a backlog of RPGs on my DS that I dont even want to think about how long it will take to finish. Meanwhile, the only good ones Ive played on the newer systems have been Lost Odyssey, Vesperia, Valkyria Chronicles, and Eternal Sonata wasnt bad either.
Replace DS with PS2 and I'd agree with you. Once developers stop making PS2 RPGs, I daresay we'll see the number of RPGs on the 360/PS3 increase drastically. It's anyone's guess when that will happen though: we just got Devil Summoner 2 and Mana Khemia 2 and Sakura Taisen 5 are both scheduled for the PS2 later this year.
The short version: Slim PS3 exists, it won't be at E3, Sony is waiting for current supplies of PS3's to dry up over the summer and there won't be a price drop.
How much of this is true, since it's coming from Ars Technica by way of a "well informed mole" and posted on Kotaku, is unknown. But I figured I'd add the info.
The short version: Slim PS3 exists, it won't be at E3, Sony is waiting for current supplies of PS3's to dry up over the summer and there won't be a price drop.
How much of this is true, since it's coming from Ars Technica by way of a "well informed mole" and posted on Kotaku, is unknown. But I figured I'd add the info.
This was touched upon briefly in the sales thread, but 1) I believe this theory of how Sony's going to roll out the Slim (first drop price of existing PS3s to clear out stock, then introduce PS3 Slim in the fall), and 2) I think it's hilarious. A vast majority of people who follow gaming news now know that the Slim is inevitable, so they're not going to buy the old version with a new version looming in the horizon. Sales will dry up even more over the summer.
Well, considering the way that glitches with systems have gone, I'm actually somewhat MORE tempted to snag the 80gig now. Who knows what problem the slim will have? But I won't lie, the thought did cross my mind that waiting for a slim is a good idea, possibly.
Also, knowing Sony... say goodbye to even more features (if that's possible at this point). I'm guessing wifi could go bye-bye. It would be somewhat hilarious if they dropped blu as well to make it cheaper and more of a gaming system. The fury from something like that would be... interesting.
The short version: Slim PS3 exists, it won't be at E3, Sony is waiting for current supplies of PS3's to dry up over the summer and there won't be a price drop.
How much of this is true, since it's coming from Ars Technica by way of a "well informed mole" and posted on Kotaku, is unknown. But I figured I'd add the info.
This was touched upon briefly in the sales thread, but 1) I believe this theory of how Sony's going to roll out the Slim (first drop price of existing PS3s to clear out stock, then introduce PS3 Slim in the fall), and 2) I think it's hilarious. A vast majority of people who follow gaming news now know that the Slim is inevitable, so they're not going to buy the old version with a new version looming in the horizon. Sales will dry up even more over the summer.
Especially if the slim has BC (which I completely doubt)
Sony would sell so many systems day one of the launch if they put BC back into it. But I think that particular ship has sailed and gone the way of the Titanic.
The short version: Slim PS3 exists, it won't be at E3, Sony is waiting for current supplies of PS3's to dry up over the summer and there won't be a price drop.
How much of this is true, since it's coming from Ars Technica by way of a "well informed mole" and posted on Kotaku, is unknown. But I figured I'd add the info.
This was touched upon briefly in the sales thread, but 1) I believe this theory of how Sony's going to roll out the Slim (first drop price of existing PS3s to clear out stock, then introduce PS3 Slim in the fall), and 2) I think it's hilarious. A vast majority of people who follow gaming news now know that the Slim is inevitable, so they're not going to buy the old version with a new version looming in the horizon. Sales will dry up even more over the summer.
Especially if the slim has BC (which I completely doubt)
You guys are under the mistaken impression that executives (especially the higher up ones) live in the same reality you do.
The short version: Slim PS3 exists, it won't be at E3, Sony is waiting for current supplies of PS3's to dry up over the summer and there won't be a price drop.
How much of this is true, since it's coming from Ars Technica by way of a "well informed mole" and posted on Kotaku, is unknown. But I figured I'd add the info.
This was touched upon briefly in the sales thread, but 1) I believe this theory of how Sony's going to roll out the Slim (first drop price of existing PS3s to clear out stock, then introduce PS3 Slim in the fall), and 2) I think it's hilarious. A vast majority of people who follow gaming news now know that the Slim is inevitable, so they're not going to buy the old version with a new version looming in the horizon. Sales will dry up even more over the summer.
Especially if the slim has BC (which I completely doubt)
They're refusing to put it on the current, gigantic model.
Now they actually have a vaguely plausible excuse. "It's too small and sleek, we can't put grumpy, old unsleek BC on it! Sorry!".
The short version: Slim PS3 exists, it won't be at E3, Sony is waiting for current supplies of PS3's to dry up over the summer and there won't be a price drop.
How much of this is true, since it's coming from Ars Technica by way of a "well informed mole" and posted on Kotaku, is unknown. But I figured I'd add the info.
Just for reference the Ars Technica mole, especially on hardware rumors, has a ridiculously strong track record.
I would imagine the slim would come with a price drop.
I wouldn't put anything past the current Sony management nowadays. They seem to firmly believe that the tiniest incremental upgrade is as good as a price drop.
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I would imagine the slim would come with a price drop.
I wouldn't put anything past the current Sony management nowadays. They seem to firmly believe that the tiniest incremental upgrade is as good as a price drop.
I cannot believe that a slim might be a real possibility over a price drop. Jesus fucking christ what are these guys smoking.
You might be taking their 10 year plan a bit too seriously. If this gen was going to be especially long then maybe it would still make sense to take a loss to improve the PS3's position.
If this gen isn't going to be very much longer than average then it is too late and they should focus on short term profitability.
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So by the sound of it, if the info on the Kotaku post is true, they want to force the slim PS3 on all future users or something? That's what I get from this when they say they want current supplies to dry up. Forced adaptation is... well, I guess it doesn't matter since there's no price drop.
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It's amazing how many people don't realise this. 'It's an expensive blu ray player! Drop the blu ray so I can just play games on it and drop the price!'. Have fun with only playing PS1 games and PSN games.
It's amazing how many people don't realise this. 'It's an expensive blu ray player! Drop the blu ray so I can just play games on it and drop the price!'. Have fun with only playing PS1 games and PSN games.
They could drop the Blu Ray; they would just have to expand PSN accordingly.
It's amazing how many people don't realise this. 'It's an expensive blu ray player! Drop the blu ray so I can just play games on it and drop the price!'. Have fun with only playing PS1 games and PSN games.
They could drop the Blu Ray; they would just have to expand PSN accordingly.
Expand PSN accordingly? What, start offering full-copy PS3 games on PSN? You realize that blu-ray can store up to 25GB right? And that some of the games with lots of video (MGS4 anyone) clock-in not too far off that?
How exactly is that going to work with systems that aren't offered at retail with more than 160GB hard drives? Or are you maybe suggesting that a system could survive solely off $10 PSN games? Because even if D/L games could sustain a system, it's not going to be the PSN that does it.
I think part of the problem with the total lack of JRPGs on the newer consoles is the DS.
Seriously. with the exception of a slim few, ALL of the good JRPGs have been coming out on the DS for the last few years. I am guessing the development costs have alot to do with that, but I have no idea really.
All I know is that I have a backlog of RPGs on my DS that I dont even want to think about how long it will take to finish. Meanwhile, the only good ones Ive played on the newer systems have been Lost Odyssey, Vesperia, Valkyria Chronicles, and Eternal Sonata wasnt bad either.
It's amazing how many people don't realise this. 'It's an expensive blu ray player! Drop the blu ray so I can just play games on it and drop the price!'. Have fun with only playing PS1 games and PSN games.
They could drop the Blu Ray; they would just have to expand PSN accordingly.
Expand PSN accordingly? What, start offering full-copy PS3 games on PSN? You realize that blu-ray can store up to 25GB right? And that some of the games with lots of video (MGS4 anyone) clock-in not too far off that?
How exactly is that going to work with systems that aren't offered at retail with more than 160GB hard drives? Or are you maybe suggesting that a system could survive solely off $10 PSN games? Because even if D/L games could sustain a system, it's not going to be the PSN that does it.
Sure, just start putting a lot of the retail PS3 games on PSN. Hard drive space wouldn't necessarily be a problem because they would obviously up the hard drive space of a download-only system: for example, you could easily stick a 640GB hard drive on the system and the slight added expense of that would easily be offset by the huge savings of not having the Blu Ray player. And if they really wanted to get fancy, they could compress the games better on the PSN (a lot of games are poorly compress on Blu Ray in order to try to counter the poor read speed of the PS3's Blu Ray disk drive).
Sure, just start putting a lot of the retail PS3 games on PSN. Hard drive space wouldn't necessarily be a problem because they would obviously up the hard drive space of a download-only system: for example, you could easily stick a 640GB hard drive on the system and the slight added expense of that would easily be offset by the huge savings of not having the Blu Ray player. And if they really wanted to get fancy, they could compress the games better on the PSN (a lot of games are poorly compress on Blu Ray in order to try to counter the poor read speed of the PS3's Blu Ray disk drive).
This is all true, but I don't think user bandwidth is in place to support 15-20GB downloads without a lot of angst and gnashing of teeth. I know I play for enhanced broadband and it still take a good time to get that kind of size down on an incredibly well seeded torrent. A PSN purchase would take forever.
Sure, just start putting a lot of the retail PS3 games on PSN. Hard drive space wouldn't necessarily be a problem because they would obviously up the hard drive space of a download-only system: for example, you could easily stick a 640GB hard drive on the system and the slight added expense of that would easily be offset by the huge savings of not having the Blu Ray player. And if they really wanted to get fancy, they could compress the games better on the PSN (a lot of games are poorly compress on Blu Ray in order to try to counter the poor read speed of the PS3's Blu Ray disk drive).
Stand-alone players are under $200 now, and fast approaching $100. I don't think removing the BD drive from the PS3 at this point would save them a whole hell of a lot. That ship has long since sailed.
Sure, just start putting a lot of the retail PS3 games on PSN. Hard drive space wouldn't necessarily be a problem because they would obviously up the hard drive space of a download-only system: for example, you could easily stick a 640GB hard drive on the system and the slight added expense of that would easily be offset by the huge savings of not having the Blu Ray player. And if they really wanted to get fancy, they could compress the games better on the PSN (a lot of games are poorly compress on Blu Ray in order to try to counter the poor read speed of the PS3's Blu Ray disk drive).
Stand-alone players are under $200 now, and fast approaching $100. I don't think removing the BD drive from the PS3 at this point would save them a whole hell of a lot. That ship has long since sailed.
True. I just wanted to refute the idea that Blu Ray was a necessary feature. Sony already has at least one full retail PS3 game on the PSN (Siren: New Blood) so it's not a huge leap of faith to think that they could expand upon that and create a cheaper version of the console without a disk drive. But yeah, it's a little late to do something like that at this point in time due to the ever dropping prices of Blu Ray players.
True. I just wanted to refute the idea that Blu Ray was a necessary feature.
I think apotheos summarized nicely why it is a necessary feature. Plus I think the blu-ray drive is one of the things that's helped sell some of the PS3s over the Xbox 360...the PS3 is a large part of why blu-ray was able to succeed. If the XBox 360 had come out with an HD-DVD drive I bet the format war would have ended very differently.
True. I just wanted to refute the idea that Blu Ray was a necessary feature.
I think apotheos summarized nicely why it is a necessary feature. Plus I think the blu-ray drive is one of the things that's helped sell some of the PS3s over the Xbox 360...the PS3 is a large part of why blu-ray was able to succeed. If the XBox 360 had come out with an HD-DVD drive I bet the format war would have ended very differently.
Indeed. Even now the PS3 outsells all stand alone BR players combined in the US.
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True. I just wanted to refute the idea that Blu Ray was a necessary feature.
I think apotheos summarized nicely why it is a necessary feature. Plus I think the blu-ray drive is one of the things that's helped sell some of the PS3s over the Xbox 360...the PS3 is a large part of why blu-ray was able to succeed. If the XBox 360 had come out with an HD-DVD drive I bet the format war would have ended very differently.
Indeed. Even now the PS3 outsells all stand alone BR players combined in the US.
The big question is whether it does that because people like the PS3 as a Blu-ray player, or because people just don't care about Blu-ray and just want the PS3 for games.
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Also, with the insane popularity of the DS in Japan, it makes sense for their RPG developers to concentrate on the DS.
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Went ahead and set you up, bra.
It makes no sense to pronounce the 360's library disappointing because it's lacking in a few Japanese niche genres.
We can definitely talk about how impressive the libraries of the major consoles are this gen, but, "This one doesn't have a lot of JRPGS" is not a productive way to begin that discussion.
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Replace DS with PS2 and I'd agree with you. Once developers stop making PS2 RPGs, I daresay we'll see the number of RPGs on the 360/PS3 increase drastically. It's anyone's guess when that will happen though: we just got Devil Summoner 2 and Mana Khemia 2 and Sakura Taisen 5 are both scheduled for the PS2 later this year.
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The short version: Slim PS3 exists, it won't be at E3, Sony is waiting for current supplies of PS3's to dry up over the summer and there won't be a price drop.
How much of this is true, since it's coming from Ars Technica by way of a "well informed mole" and posted on Kotaku, is unknown. But I figured I'd add the info.
This was touched upon briefly in the sales thread, but 1) I believe this theory of how Sony's going to roll out the Slim (first drop price of existing PS3s to clear out stock, then introduce PS3 Slim in the fall), and 2) I think it's hilarious. A vast majority of people who follow gaming news now know that the Slim is inevitable, so they're not going to buy the old version with a new version looming in the horizon. Sales will dry up even more over the summer.
Also, knowing Sony... say goodbye to even more features (if that's possible at this point). I'm guessing wifi could go bye-bye. It would be somewhat hilarious if they dropped blu as well to make it cheaper and more of a gaming system. The fury from something like that would be... interesting.
Especially if the slim has BC (which I completely doubt)
Thus, the fury!
Sony would sell so many systems day one of the launch if they put BC back into it. But I think that particular ship has sailed and gone the way of the Titanic.
You guys are under the mistaken impression that executives (especially the higher up ones) live in the same reality you do.
Hint
They're refusing to put it on the current, gigantic model.
Now they actually have a vaguely plausible excuse. "It's too small and sleek, we can't put grumpy, old unsleek BC on it! Sorry!".
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I still have a perfectly fine PS2. :P
I wouldn't put anything past the current Sony management nowadays. They seem to firmly believe that the tiniest incremental upgrade is as good as a price drop.
Exactly.
We are down the rabbit hole.
You might be taking their 10 year plan a bit too seriously. If this gen was going to be especially long then maybe it would still make sense to take a loss to improve the PS3's position.
If this gen isn't going to be very much longer than average then it is too late and they should focus on short term profitability.
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It's amazing how many people don't realise this. 'It's an expensive blu ray player! Drop the blu ray so I can just play games on it and drop the price!'. Have fun with only playing PS1 games and PSN games.
They could drop the Blu Ray; they would just have to expand PSN accordingly.
Steam ID : rwb36, Twitter : Werezompire,
Expand PSN accordingly? What, start offering full-copy PS3 games on PSN? You realize that blu-ray can store up to 25GB right? And that some of the games with lots of video (MGS4 anyone) clock-in not too far off that?
How exactly is that going to work with systems that aren't offered at retail with more than 160GB hard drives? Or are you maybe suggesting that a system could survive solely off $10 PSN games? Because even if D/L games could sustain a system, it's not going to be the PSN that does it.
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a lack of JRPGs is a feature.
Sure, just start putting a lot of the retail PS3 games on PSN. Hard drive space wouldn't necessarily be a problem because they would obviously up the hard drive space of a download-only system: for example, you could easily stick a 640GB hard drive on the system and the slight added expense of that would easily be offset by the huge savings of not having the Blu Ray player. And if they really wanted to get fancy, they could compress the games better on the PSN (a lot of games are poorly compress on Blu Ray in order to try to counter the poor read speed of the PS3's Blu Ray disk drive).
Steam ID : rwb36, Twitter : Werezompire,
This is all true, but I don't think user bandwidth is in place to support 15-20GB downloads without a lot of angst and gnashing of teeth. I know I play for enhanced broadband and it still take a good time to get that kind of size down on an incredibly well seeded torrent. A PSN purchase would take forever.
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Stand-alone players are under $200 now, and fast approaching $100. I don't think removing the BD drive from the PS3 at this point would save them a whole hell of a lot. That ship has long since sailed.
True. I just wanted to refute the idea that Blu Ray was a necessary feature. Sony already has at least one full retail PS3 game on the PSN (Siren: New Blood) so it's not a huge leap of faith to think that they could expand upon that and create a cheaper version of the console without a disk drive. But yeah, it's a little late to do something like that at this point in time due to the ever dropping prices of Blu Ray players.
Steam ID : rwb36, Twitter : Werezompire,
I think apotheos summarized nicely why it is a necessary feature. Plus I think the blu-ray drive is one of the things that's helped sell some of the PS3s over the Xbox 360...the PS3 is a large part of why blu-ray was able to succeed. If the XBox 360 had come out with an HD-DVD drive I bet the format war would have ended very differently.
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Indeed. Even now the PS3 outsells all stand alone BR players combined in the US.
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The big question is whether it does that because people like the PS3 as a Blu-ray player, or because people just don't care about Blu-ray and just want the PS3 for games.