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Thanks Radar. I read what you said in the doodle thread.
I just adjusted some of the colours, I might push out the reds a bit more with a brush, make the skin more life like. i didnt want a realistic sort of look though. I wanted almost a washed out old look.
Ill continue to mess about. Its kinda odd i didnt see it before as the contrast being hard to read. I wanted it to be a little soft but not unreadable. I will probably change the background to.
heres a bit more work, have to get back to the paid work unfortunately. I have a few contract jobs now
Theres a huge contrast in quality between your referenced work, and 'off-top-head' work. I hate always having to use a reference. Its a pain in the arse, but it has to be done.
I think the key to drawing without reference is to practice loads anatomy, and gesture drawings. Theres a few poeple in my class who can draw any character, from any angle/pose without a reference. But even those super artists still use a basic reference.
Im liking these two.
This is a bit iffy Kinda looks like that chick instructor from final fantasy 8
And this looks way better. If you do want it to look "older", though, then you want to tone down the blues, as old photographs usually move towards yellow or orange and gray out any blues. But can remain saturated unless they're REALLY old sepia kind of photos.
I think the blond looks better than the brunette because you used similar shading tones in the hair to the ones in the skin there.
Hi everybody from Adelaide. I was reading my local messenger today and the art school at norwood has life drawing classes 3 hours, 6-9 for 17 bucks every thursday.
They also have 5-8 week courses which i am going to ring up about today, they start on the 12th of october so if anyone is interested in doing one with me from Adelaide let me know. I always find these things better when your with other people you know, even if its just friendly competition.
PM or email me if your interested and I ill email you back the details, times cost etc once i ring and find out
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I was thinking of doing one of the weekend courses there next year. Still waiting on their schedule for 2010 before I set my heart on a course, but I'll be sure to let you know.
just rang them up. They are emailing me a short course pamphlet.
Basically what i found out on the phone is that there is an expressive life drawing class starting on the 24th of october. 9.30 till 12 i think it was on saturdays, 5 weeks and 350 bucks.
I think im going to sign up for that one. I will have to arrange work around it which sucks but it will be worth it I think
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I'll be interested to see what it's like, it's kind of it for atelier style classes in Adelaide.
I think ill do the expressive figure drawing which is this...
In this course you’ll explore a variety of approaches to elicit a
psychological response to the figure in a context. There will be a
further exploration into the use of composition, colour and mark
making. Some prior figure drawing experience will be required
i have the full brochure if anyone wants me to forward it onto them. The costs dont cover materials but I assume they wont be a HUGE amount? 50 bucks maybe?
Concentrated on lighting and shaddows and a bit of texture
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wow man i'd tap that.
Whats this Adelaide Art School? I just finished my HSC but need to do newstep (bridging program) as i was sick during the HSC, tell me moar about that place
seriously i'd tap that drawing, black and whit eand missing half boob and everything. Looking at that brochure, theres nothing about digital art that i can find? do they teach you anything bout photoshop and stuff?
Also winter, did yo mean QUISTIS??? Learn your final fantasy names bra , its serious bznzsns
its called ACSA (adelaide central school of art inc) they are in Norwood on Osmond TCE
if you give them a ring they send you their brochure via email. THey have some nice looking courses but not many for the rest of the year. Im going to jump in on the expressive figure drawing as I will get most back from tax anyway so I have nothing to lose
and here is something i started working on about an hour ago, Its a background for a new animation im going to make.
hey you could make it like those paintings from that old artist i forgot his name, that they made the painting have no depth and it looked like wallpaper it was really cool.i think it was at the start of the last century i donno. but yeah sometimes things look cool if theres no depth.
Ill have a look for it, I was thinking of turning it towards a water colour sort of look for the background and then have the 3D characters ontop crisp and clean
Thanks beav. I worked on it a little more lastnight but didnt really see that arm of the tree. Most of the other areas have been addressed. Been having trouble staying awake long enough to get my drawings done. Ill post an update tonight
hey peeps. I'm definitely going to sign up for that course.
Been busy but i managed to throw another couple of hours onto this one. think the depth is coming along but overall not liking it at all. I am going to try something new i think with this
Those branches are lacking some structure. The tree is leaning really badly to the right side, and it doesn't look like they branches would grow like that. Did you choose a type of tree before you started this?
Are you using reference at all for this? The whole "giant clumps of foliage at the end of bare branches" thing is kind of amateurish.
I'm sure there are trees that exist like that but for the sake of my argument let's just pretend that they don't.
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The whole "giant clumps of foliage at the end of bare branches" thing is kind of amateurish.
This, I was going to say it earlier but was too lazy to post and now I have to quote this shit and agree with it. Procrastination is bad mmmkay.
Also the texture brush/stamp you're using for the leaves is really jarring.
thanks. I think the tree is definitely ruining the drawing I didnt reference it no, i wanted it to be creepy looking but yeah .. ill have a look at some trees and try again
Why this shape? Why this composition? What are we looking at? Where's the focus? Why is there so much black in an apparently sunlit garden? Where is the light source? Is it overcast? The sky says it is, but the strong shadows say it's not. I'm really baffled. Where is the horizon? Is the garden sunk? Why is there a little bit of bright light running along the bottom edge?
Why this shape? Why this composition? What are we looking at? Where's the focus? Why is there so much black in an apparently sunlit garden? Where is the light source? Is it overcast? The sky says it is, but the strong shadows say it's not. I'm really baffled. Where is the horizon? Is the garden sunk? Why is there a little bit of bright light running along the bottom edge?
thanks guys. I understand all of that. I see it now more so that you have mentioned it. Im really trying to practice my landscape drawings. I find them so much harder than drawing people. So many shaddows to think about, directions and then there is the perspective gah... ill try again
as posted in the doodle thread I have tried the art of caricatures. Here is the next one I just started. Im sure you , well hope you can recognise him lol. Ive only just started it but I wont have a chance to work on it till monday so ill post it now. About an hour in so far
The hair and the expression were just about the only way I recognized it as James May. How are you forming these? It seems like you're just painting a portrait and then scaling things- which isn't how caricatures work.
It isn't just about exaggeration by making features larger or smaller, you're supposed to manipulate other elements too- make curves curvier, if eyes are kind of deep-set, make them sunken, if the brow is prominent, make it come out like a hat etc.
I think your caricatures are still pretty "safe" looking...you're not pushing them as much as you could.
While keeping the reference picture in front of you, I'd suggest doing a caricature, like you have been...getting up, walking around for awhile, clearing your head...and then coming back and making your drawing more "caricaturized". Caricature the caricature. The best caricatures are not only recognizable right off the bat, but they are usually also pushed really far, and really exaggerated. Emphasize the shapes of the face, exaggerate small or large or asymmetrical elements.
That tree image just shows how wrong you're going about developing images. You're not doing thumbnails.
So instead of developing an idea that works out of some quick sketches, you're spending all this time making a finished product on top a structure that is as flimsy as they come. The design of it was completely nonscensical, and it's asonishing you got that far into until you realized it. Stylistic or no, there is just no way something like that could exist in reality. And even if you're going for something more fantastical, there has to be some basis of the real world somewhere. So after all that, you just change it to a really safe version of what any person might envision of a tree. The first one might have been poorly constructed, but at least it was a little different.
I would go nuts working on things in the manner that you do. I just feel like you go about making art in the most backwards way possible, and if you just tried sticking to tried and true methods, you'd save yourself a lot of time and have better stuff to boot. It just boggles my mind how you work on stuff.
When you develop something that far, and then just start switching in and out central elements of a composition, the image suffers for it. Get things figured out, then move on, one step at a time. It just seems like you start at like step 4, and then fiddle things around until it seems finished. You seem to have a steady of output of work, which is good, and I think you could really improve a lot faster if you just had some better work habits.
Also as far as caricatures, check out Paul Gaunt for inspiration. He has a booth down at my local beach and he always inspires me when I walk by in the summertime. Most people who do this kinda art seem to be complete hacks, but this guy is actually pretty damn good at what he does.
I havn't been drawing the character and then scaling them. I scaled the eyes to see how they would look smaller though.I have been drawing outlines with features I have chosen to exaggerate like a comic book and then adding shadding and detail
This is the photo of James I was working off. I think it looks fairly similar to the photo Looking at it now I see I can push it further. I thought I pushed it fairly far last night but looking at it with fresh eyes its like.. its not that dissimilar. I have been looking further into all these caricatures and I thought generally you keep the features the same so they can be recognised and then shift around sizes and shapes a little. Ill try something a little more 'out' there this time and see what I can get.
This guy doesn't have small features squished into the center of his face. He actually has really wide-set eyes. You need to exaggerate already existing traits or it won't look like the person.
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This guy doesn't have small features squished into the center of his face. He actually has really wide-set eyes. You need to exaggerate already existing traits or it won't look like the person.
Yup, I was about to say this myself. You gotta treat Captain Slow with some love.
Yup, I was about to say this myself. You gotta treat Captain Slow with some love.
hhaha so wrong. But yeah ill give captain slow another go.
Ohh BTW people the Adelaide art course was cancelled due to lack of numbers unless we get a few people who want to go It wont be on. Im rather disappointed. My local community hall has art classes and non instructed life drawing nights for 12 bucks but I would rather go to a actual class
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I just adjusted some of the colours, I might push out the reds a bit more with a brush, make the skin more life like. i didnt want a realistic sort of look though. I wanted almost a washed out old look.
Ill continue to mess about. Its kinda odd i didnt see it before as the contrast being hard to read. I wanted it to be a little soft but not unreadable. I will probably change the background to.
heres a bit more work, have to get back to the paid work unfortunately. I have a few contract jobs now
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Theres a huge contrast in quality between your referenced work, and 'off-top-head' work. I hate always having to use a reference. Its a pain in the arse, but it has to be done.
I think the key to drawing without reference is to practice loads anatomy, and gesture drawings. Theres a few poeple in my class who can draw any character, from any angle/pose without a reference. But even those super artists still use a basic reference.
Im liking these two.
This is a bit iffy
And this looks way better. If you do want it to look "older", though, then you want to tone down the blues, as old photographs usually move towards yellow or orange and gray out any blues. But can remain saturated unless they're REALLY old sepia kind of photos.
I think the blond looks better than the brunette because you used similar shading tones in the hair to the ones in the skin there.
They also have 5-8 week courses which i am going to ring up about today, they start on the 12th of october so if anyone is interested in doing one with me from Adelaide let me know. I always find these things better when your with other people you know, even if its just friendly competition.
PM or email me if your interested and I ill email you back the details, times cost etc once i ring and find out
Basically what i found out on the phone is that there is an expressive life drawing class starting on the 24th of october. 9.30 till 12 i think it was on saturdays, 5 weeks and 350 bucks.
I think im going to sign up for that one. I will have to arrange work around it which sucks but it will be worth it I think
heres the cost and list
I think ill do the expressive figure drawing which is this...
In this course you’ll explore a variety of approaches to elicit a
psychological response to the figure in a context. There will be a
further exploration into the use of composition, colour and mark
making. Some prior figure drawing experience will be required
i have the full brochure if anyone wants me to forward it onto them. The costs dont cover materials but I assume they wont be a HUGE amount? 50 bucks maybe?
wow man i'd tap that.
Whats this Adelaide Art School? I just finished my HSC but need to do newstep (bridging program) as i was sick during the HSC, tell me moar about that place
seriously i'd tap that drawing, black and whit eand missing half boob and everything. Looking at that brochure, theres nothing about digital art that i can find? do they teach you anything bout photoshop and stuff?
Also winter, did yo mean QUISTIS??? Learn your final fantasy names bra
if you give them a ring they send you their brochure via email. THey have some nice looking courses but not many for the rest of the year. Im going to jump in on the expressive figure drawing as I will get most back from tax anyway so I have nothing to lose
and here is something i started working on about an hour ago, Its a background for a new animation im going to make.
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Been busy but i managed to throw another couple of hours onto this one. think the depth is coming along but overall not liking it at all. I am going to try something new i think with this
I'm sure there are trees that exist like that but for the sake of my argument let's just pretend that they don't.
This, I was going to say it earlier but was too lazy to post and now I have to quote this shit and agree with it. Procrastination is bad mmmkay.
Also the texture brush/stamp you're using for the leaves is really jarring.
Questions you don't need to answer this time, but which you ought to think of next time.
Yeah, and what about Scarecrow's brain?
B: It could just be a portrait of an ugly person, it doesn't scream caricature to me.
C: I don't think you should be doing your caricatures digitally, try doing them in pencil first to get a feel for how to exaggerate features.
Check out this blog, this blog, this blog and look at more caricature here before you do another one.
It isn't just about exaggeration by making features larger or smaller, you're supposed to manipulate other elements too- make curves curvier, if eyes are kind of deep-set, make them sunken, if the brow is prominent, make it come out like a hat etc.
While keeping the reference picture in front of you, I'd suggest doing a caricature, like you have been...getting up, walking around for awhile, clearing your head...and then coming back and making your drawing more "caricaturized". Caricature the caricature. The best caricatures are not only recognizable right off the bat, but they are usually also pushed really far, and really exaggerated. Emphasize the shapes of the face, exaggerate small or large or asymmetrical elements.
So instead of developing an idea that works out of some quick sketches, you're spending all this time making a finished product on top a structure that is as flimsy as they come. The design of it was completely nonscensical, and it's asonishing you got that far into until you realized it. Stylistic or no, there is just no way something like that could exist in reality. And even if you're going for something more fantastical, there has to be some basis of the real world somewhere. So after all that, you just change it to a really safe version of what any person might envision of a tree. The first one might have been poorly constructed, but at least it was a little different.
I would go nuts working on things in the manner that you do. I just feel like you go about making art in the most backwards way possible, and if you just tried sticking to tried and true methods, you'd save yourself a lot of time and have better stuff to boot. It just boggles my mind how you work on stuff.
When you develop something that far, and then just start switching in and out central elements of a composition, the image suffers for it. Get things figured out, then move on, one step at a time. It just seems like you start at like step 4, and then fiddle things around until it seems finished. You seem to have a steady of output of work, which is good, and I think you could really improve a lot faster if you just had some better work habits.
Also as far as caricatures, check out Paul Gaunt for inspiration. He has a booth down at my local beach and he always inspires me when I walk by in the summertime. Most people who do this kinda art seem to be complete hacks, but this guy is actually pretty damn good at what he does.
INSTAGRAM
This is the photo of James I was working off. I think it looks fairly similar to the photo Looking at it now I see I can push it further. I thought I pushed it fairly far last night but looking at it with fresh eyes its like.. its not that dissimilar. I have been looking further into all these caricatures and I thought generally you keep the features the same so they can be recognised and then shift around sizes and shapes a little. Ill try something a little more 'out' there this time and see what I can get.
Yup, I was about to say this myself. You gotta treat Captain Slow with some love.
hhaha so wrong. But yeah ill give captain slow another go.
Ohh BTW people the Adelaide art course was cancelled due to lack of numbers